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| greg-g | paulproteus: I forget, will you be in SF this coming week? (8-12th) | 16:34 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, Yup, back to SF this Saturday. | 16:35 |
| paulproteus | And then I'll not be going to Boss Town. | 16:35 |
| greg-g | Good deal. | 16:35 |
| greg-g | (to the first sentence, not the second) | 16:35 |
| greg-g | Are you interested in attending UDS? | 16:36 |
| greg-g | I will know by this weekend when we will be discussing CC license-related stuff. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | Depends what nathany feels about it, how much work I think I can get done at UDS, and how generally stressed I'll feel. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | If it's just one day or something that sounds more plausible. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | I also want to attend the vcs-pkg talk. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | Hah, and possibly join an UDS keysigning if you guys are that nerdy. | 16:38 |
| paulproteus | And if nathany's around that day; I should maximize face time since I've been missing out on it lately. | 16:39 |
| greg-g | right right | 16:40 |
| greg-g | CC related would probably only be one day | 16:40 |
| nathany | greg-g: what's going on CC-wise? | 16:40 |
| greg-g | nathany: basically what my job is right now :) Building support for license aware apps | 16:41 |
| nathany | ah, cool | 16:43 |
| nathany | so what are the two days of UDS? | 16:43 |
| nathany | paulproteus: have you seen any mailing list traffic about python.org being down? | 16:44 |
| greg-g | heh, it is the entire week of 8-12 | 16:44 |
| nathany | (or can you access it from where you are?) | 16:44 |
| nathany | ah | 16:44 |
| paulproteus | nathany, No I have not seen that! | 16:45 |
| paulproteus | elinks python.org # works for me | 16:45 |
| nathany | i haven't seen any traffic, it's just been unresponsive the past 24 hours which is making life difficult | 16:45 |
| nathany | does http://pypi.python.org respond for you? | 16:45 |
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| paulproteus | There was some weird IPv6 related issue I discovered last night on my desktop. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Either we or they have broken v6. | 16:46 |
| nathany | why would i care about that? | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Because e.g. my machine picks it first. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | I'll disable v6 inside the CC LAN. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | And truly diagnose it later. | 16:46 |
| nathany | wait, how is your machine involved in outbound traffic? | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | My machine isn't. | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | I mean: | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | I ran into the same issue, finding pypi down, last night. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | I was ssh'd into my desktop. | 16:47 |
| nathany | but it turned out to be a v6 issue? | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | I investigated and it is related to a bad v6 route or something. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | So I'll turn off v6 routing on the OpenWRT. | 16:47 |
| nathany | does ubunut use v6 by default now? | 16:47 |
| nathany | ok | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | There, no more IPv6 route advertising. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | It should fall away in a few minutes. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | I don't know precisely how long. | 16:47 |
| nathany | yeah works | 16:48 |
| nathany | ok, let's leave that off | 16:48 |
| paulproteus | "Yay" | 16:48 |
| nathany | (since it cost at least an hour this morning trying to figure things out) | 16:48 |
| paulproteus | I agree with this analysis. | 16:48 |
| nathany | :) | 16:48 |
| paulproteus | You smile, I frown, but sure. (-: | 16:48 |
| nathany | heh | 16:48 |
| paulproteus | Wouldn't someone please give me the future? | 16:48 |
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| paulproteus | Oh, I already am here actually. This east coast time zone is pretty neat. | 16:49 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: If you were on the East Coast, then your schedule would probably align perfectly with that of everyone else in SF. | 16:52 |
| greg-g | zing | 16:52 |
| paulproteus | Actually I told my mom something similar when I was an intern. | 16:53 |
| jgay | paulproteus: are you in Boston? | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | Nope, Baltimore! | 16:56 |
| jgay | paulproteus: oh, nice. | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | "Who would do a thing like that?" | 16:56 |
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| nkinkade | Uh oh. a7 is hurting again. | 17:59 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: nathany: Can either of you connect to http://my.serverbeach.com? | 18:01 |
| nathany | nope | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | Maybe that site is hosted in the same facility as a7. :-) | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | Which doesn't leave us many options, but to wait. | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | And they might be, their IP blocks are pretty close. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Did you by chance restart a7? | 18:05 |
| nathany | nope | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | It looks like it rebooted itself for some reason. | 18:06 |
| nathany | hey paulproteus | 18:27 |
| nathany | why would svn die trying to rebuild i18n when i commit to cc.engine? | 18:28 |
| nathany | (rebuild-out, that is) | 18:28 |
| nathany | http://cc.pastebin.com/m5456c63a | 18:29 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ^^ | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Is this also why cc.engine is down on staging? | 18:33 |
| nathany | i don't know | 18:34 |
| nathany | jesus christ | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | Not a big deal, but I noticed it a few minutes ago. | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | Seems to not even be running. | 18:34 |
| nathany | i figured it was a spurious notice... | 18:34 |
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| nathany | sigh | 18:34 |
| nathany | (looking) | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Now that I think about it, it must have not got restarted on the reboot. | 18:35 |
| nathany | btw, can you upgrade sciencecommons.org to WP 2.6.5 when you get a moment? | 18:35 |
| nathany | right | 18:35 |
| nathany | i'll start it now | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | I'll also check why it's not starting on boot ... maybe an error in /etc/rc.local. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, sciencecommons.org was one I forgot to do the other day when I did the upgrades. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | I'll get that one in a few minutes. | 18:36 |
| nathany | sure, no problem | 18:36 |
| nathany | Bovinity: did you make more coffee? | 18:39 |
| Bovinity | nathany: i sure did | 18:39 |
| nathany | woot | 18:39 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Sad re; a7 | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | nathany, The error is "connection timed out," presumably to code-dot? | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | I... guess? | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | But it *is* code-dot... | 18:45 |
| nathany | paulproteus: sure, *BUT* | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | I don't know what it would use the network for. | 18:45 |
| nathany | why is it re-building? | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | Your post-commit grep'd true for i18n? | 18:45 |
| nathany | what does it grep? | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | svn diff of this revision against the old revision. | 18:47 |
| nathany | sigh | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | I realized I could just check the username to see if the commit was done by Pootle. | 18:47 |
| nathany | ok | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | But then I thought, Maybe we want to do this for all i18n commits anyway. | 18:47 |
| nathany | right | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | Like if I commit a hand-edited PO file. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | I could be smarter and check the actual path. | 18:47 |
| nathany | it just sucks that it'll get triggered for suprious stuff, too | 18:47 |
| nathany | spurious, even | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | We had this conversation 3w ago and you said it seemed fine. | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | If you want me to make it smarter I can, just ask. | 18:48 |
| nathany | yeah, i'm remembering that now :) | 18:48 |
| nathany | how hard is it to make it smarter? :) | 18:48 |
| nathany | (if it's a pain, we'll live with it for now) | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | 30 minutes, hopefully? | 18:48 |
| nathany | actually , we should probably just live with it for now since it does't kill the commit | 18:48 |
| nathany | yeah, if it's 30 minutes, let's fix it | 18:49 |
| nathany | a7 doesn't need any extra load | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | Okay, sounds good to me. | 18:49 |
| nathany | sorry for getting my dander up -- you're right, we had this conversation | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | No big deal. (-: | 18:50 |
| paulproteus | You're free to be upset at whatever you want! (-: | 18:51 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do you know why ./bin/cc_engine on stating is now ./bin/cc_engine_labs? | 18:58 |
| nathany | no, but the control scripts are in /etc/init.d for both staging and labs | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | That was the reason why it didn't start on boot. | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | Ah, the control script for staging must be new. | 18:59 |
| nathany | it may have been changed when labs and staging landed on the same box? | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | I think it must have been later than that. | 18:59 |
| nathany | ok | 18:59 |
| nathany | sorry... probably my doing regardless | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | But in any case, I'll just have it use the one in /etc/init.d | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | nathany: The control script is running the daemon from a checkout of production in my home dir on a7. | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | That is pretty weird. | 19:02 |
| nathany | that *is* weird | 19:02 |
| nathany | (and probably wrong) | 19:02 |
| nathany | that's the non-labs control script? | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | And even weirder, I have no idea how that happened. | 19:02 |
| nathany | lol | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | Right, the staging one. | 19:02 |
| nathany | ok, go ahead and disable that for now | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | It seems likely that I might have done that. | 19:02 |
| nathany | i'm going to be pushing a bunch of updates out later today | 19:02 |
| nathany | so i'll re-generate the control script at that point | 19:03 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: nkinkade: any idea why svn is such a dog working with code.cc.org? | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It might have to do with ionicer. | 19:11 |
| nathany | is this the price of ionice? | 19:11 |
| nathany | ah | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/12/02/ionicer-extra-friendly/ | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | I'm not sure, I haven't done any large operation with svn or git since he implemented that. | 19:12 |
| nathany | i wouldn't consider a checkout of license_xsl a large operation | 19:12 |
| nathany | my update finally went so maybe that's it | 19:12 |
| nathany | weird, my checkout finally err'd with a connection time out | 19:13 |
| nathany | tried again and it went | 19:13 |
| nathany | ok | 19:13 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you have the specific data that created this chart: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Image:Metrics_Updated.png#file | 19:29 |
| nkinkade | -#file | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | (and I just sent you an email about this) | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm going to have cc.engine on staging run as nathan. paulproteus needs it this way for something. | 19:32 |
| nkinkade | I can't remember what now. | 19:32 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: i'd also like to know the answer to NK's query | 19:32 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: About the raw data? | 19:33 |
| Bovinity | indeed | 19:33 |
| greg-g | got the tech summit announcement posted to a highly read library blog: http://lisnews.org/creative_commons_tech_summit_december_12th | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | Sorry, was afk for a few minutes. | 19:43 |
| paulproteus | I really do wonder about those control scripts. | 19:43 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, No, hey, if the script works, I don't care who it runs as. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | I just rewrote my own implementation of that script 'cause I didn't know it existed. | 19:44 |
| paulproteus | I think mlinksva made that graph? | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | Or Fred, probably Fred. | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | Or maybe Tim. | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | Hard to say. Definitely not me. | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I would have sworn that you had it running as nathan, and that there was some reason you had for it. | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | Something to do with subversion maybe. | 19:48 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, The thing is this: | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | I want a post-commit script to be possible after people commit to i18n. | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | I wrote one myself. | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | That switches user to nathan and svn updates and re-runs buildout. | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | But the init script could do all of that. | 19:49 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to go offline but available on phone for a few hours. | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | So then it's better if it's run as nathan and everything owned by nathan. | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | I agree with that. | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | Let's just go with that. It's safer in any case. | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | Sure or we could give it a separate UID. | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | I'm fine too. | 19:50 |
| paulproteus | Fine with that too. | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 19:50 |
| mlinksva | tim h made the graph, i tweaked it | 19:52 |
| m3cr3d1s | nkinkade: having a weird rewrite issue | 19:53 |
| m3cr3d1s | http://creativecommons.org/?page_id=11184&preview=true | 19:53 |
| m3cr3d1s | should be http://creativecommons.org/salon-survey | 19:53 |
| m3cr3d1s | but its redirecting to wiki.cc/salon | 19:54 |
| Bovinity | gah | 19:54 |
| Bovinity | overzealous redirect rule | 19:54 |
| m3cr3d1s | yeah | 19:54 |
| Bovinity | m3cr3d1s: what's with the arbitrary width of that page content? | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | m3cr3d1s: Let me see what's up. | 19:56 |
| m3cr3d1s | Bovinity: just iframe stuff | 19:56 |
| nkinkade | Seems this is the culprit: RewriteRule /salon.*$ http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Salon [R] | 19:58 |
| m3cr3d1s | that'd do it | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | But before I change that, I'm curious as to why it was written in the first place. | 19:58 |
| nkinkade | That is, what pages was it meant to catch. | 19:58 |
| m3cr3d1s | yeah | 19:58 |
| m3cr3d1s | good question | 19:58 |
| Bovinity | we may have had a /salon-[something]/ page some years ago | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: nathany: Do either of you know about the afore mentioned rewrite rule? | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | And now we've got a salon-[something] again. | 19:59 |
| nathany | revenge of rejon | 19:59 |
| m3cr3d1s | haha | 19:59 |
| Bovinity | yep | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | Jon! | 19:59 |
| m3cr3d1s | I can, in theory, change the slug of the survey | 19:59 |
| m3cr3d1s | but it'd be nice to keep it salon-survey | 19:59 |
| Bovinity | well no | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | m3cr3d1s: I'd like to fix the rewrite rule. it's too general. | 20:00 |
| m3cr3d1s | yeah | 20:00 |
| m3cr3d1s | I'd be inclined to do that too | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | I just would like to catch any of the old paths. I believe there was a Google Doc floating around for that wiki-farming stuff. | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | Tim would know about that too. | 20:01 |
| nathany | right | 20:01 |
| nathany | although this one looks... well, weird -- catching anything and sending it to that single page | 20:01 |
| nathany | jesus... | 20:01 |
| Bovinity | jons theory of "one page to rule them all" probably | 20:01 |
| m3cr3d1s | one rewrite to rule them all | 20:01 |
| m3cr3d1s | haha | 20:01 |
| nathany | no, jons retarded theory of "cc.org urls are better" | 20:01 |
| nathany | (among others) | 20:02 |
| Bovinity | that too | 20:02 |
| nathany | (e.g., /projects) | 20:02 |
| nathany | nkinkade: do you still have access to that google doc? | 20:02 |
| mlinksva | i hate to say it, but I think jon just didn't go far enough | 20:02 |
| nathany | (i can look if you don't) | 20:02 |
| nathany | mlinksva: you mean: ^(.*) wiki.cc.org/$1 ? ;) | 20:03 |
| m3cr3d1s | haha | 20:03 |
| mlinksva | foo.com/bar seems to be pretty universal in advertising, and it is indeed ezier to remember than any structure or subsite | 20:03 |
| m3cr3d1s | thats a good one | 20:03 |
| mlinksva | heh | 20:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yes, I do. But there is no mention of salon. | 20:03 |
| mlinksva | that's one way to get there | 20:03 |
| nathany | mlinksva: i don't necessarily object to short urls | 20:03 |
| nathany | i just object to the retarded catch-all schemes like /projects | 20:03 |
| nathany | anyway, i'm going to get curry, my brain is about to melt from CC0 | 20:04 |
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| mlinksva | i'll get curry too | 20:04 |
| m3cr3d1s | me too | 20:04 |
| m3cr3d1s | any luck with my rewrite issue? | 20:05 |
| nkinkade | And instead of curry (which I know of none around here), I'll fix that rewrite rule. | 20:06 |
| m3cr3d1s | thanks nkinkade | 20:06 |
| nkinkade | m3cr3d1s: I think I'm just going to make it ^/salon | 20:06 |
| m3cr3d1s | sounds good | 20:06 |
| nkinkade | There may be some old /salon- urls out there, but I don't know of them. | 20:06 |
| m3cr3d1s | god help them | 20:07 |
| nkinkade | And nothing like a 404 error to make someone find the right page. | 20:07 |
| nkinkade | m3cr3d1s: http://creativecommons.org/salon-survey | 20:10 |
| m3cr3d1s | thanks | 20:10 |
| nkinkade | Someone said this to me earlier: "and my human right of not being online with the worst image ever" | 20:11 |
| m3cr3d1s | hah | 20:11 |
| m3cr3d1s | privacy is so over | 20:11 |
| m3cr3d1s | , man | 20:11 |
| nkinkade | Someone posted a bad picture of them on Flickr and they weren't happy. | 20:11 |
| m3cr3d1s | I get those a lot | 20:11 |
| nkinkade | Totally. | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | my brother is currently hassling me with it | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | but one problem is that wikipedia has used a photo he's in | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | so if I delete it its unclear whether WP will still be happy | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | fortunately the version used is cropped | 20:12 |
| nkinkade | But I like how it's turning into a basic human right to not have bad pics of you upload to the 'net, right up there with food and shelter. | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | so in theory it won't change much besides the proof that it was once BY on flickr | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | haha | 20:12 |
| m3cr3d1s | yeah | 20:12 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: don't forget wifi! | 20:15 |
| greg-g | (see: FCC chairman's plan of providing free wifi to the entire country) | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: haha | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | Clean water, justice, wifi, and no bad pictures online. | 20:16 |
| greg-g | I got 3 out of 4, not bad | 20:17 |
| nkinkade | We might as toss in good whiskey. | 20:17 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: ++ | 20:17 |
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| paulproteus | I wonder what happened to my IRC proxy. | 21:18 |
| paulproteus | So nathany, is there really no namespacing in the crazy JS world of Fx extensions? | 21:20 |
| * paulproteus is looking out the JS function names | 21:20 | |
| paulproteus | Looking at our JS function names. | 21:22 |
| paulproteus | My mind must be going. | 21:22 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: (in a mtg) | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | (okay) | 21:36 |
| paulproteus | The "mind must be going" remark was in regard to my typo. | 21:36 |
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