Tuesday, 2008-12-02

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mlinksvapaulproteus: http://www.asheesh.org/note/debian/rdfa-pts.html has a really uninformative <title>00:32
mlinksvapeople who write about metadata and can't provide the most basic useful metadata need a corrective of some sort :)00:33
mlinksvajust saying00:33
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paulproteusmlinksva, zing.03:58
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danborneDoes cc require that all cc lisenced work be registered online?04:13
paulproteusdanborne, Nope.04:18
paulproteusIt's an agreement between you and the person who uses your content; registration isn't necessary.'04:18
paulproteus(I am not a lawyer; this is not legal advice; it is late o'clock in Baltimore.)04:18
danborneThank you paulproteus, I was not sure.04:19
paulproteusSure thing!  I'm happy to help you answer other questions too. (-:04:19
tanjirHere is how you can license your work under cc: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ04:19
tanjirquestion 104:19
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CHEVRON!help10:22
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OsamaK_Hi, I want to translate cc_org into Arabic, current translation is ugly, looks like machine translation (i.e. Google's).. Can I start a new (.POT) translation? if so, where can I find the file?11:22
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greg-gOsamaK_: http://translate.creativecommons.org/12:51
OsamaK_I got the file, greg-g12:52
OsamaK_thank you12:53
greg-gno problem OsamaK_12:53
OsamaK_which is by the way <http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/i18n/trunk/i18n/templates/cc_org.pot?view=co>12:53
greg-gOsamaK_: I think they want people to use the web interface (I'm not entirely sure, I havne't done much with the translations)12:54
OsamaK_looks hard and boring :)12:54
greg-g:)12:54
OsamaK_greg-g, look:12:55
OsamaK_this is the first lines:12:55
OsamaK_#. New Zealand12:55
OsamaK_msgid "country.nz"12:55
OsamaK_msgstr "New Zealand"12:55
OsamaK_should I add the translation in "msgstr"?12:56
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Jhshttp://change.gov/newsroom/entry/towards_a_21st_century_government/ !!!!12:57
OsamaK_this is not good when reviewing the original text and the translation.. msgid gives nothing about it12:57
greg-gOsamaK_: I don't know, I don't deal with the translations12:58
greg-gJhs: yep, I'm happy about that12:59
Jhs:D12:59
OsamaK_that's great13:03
paulproteusgreg-g, Morning13:15
greg-gmorning paulproteus13:17
greg-gI forget you are on the east coast13:17
paulproteus(-:13:36
paulproteusOsamaK_, If you'd rather use a PO editor we can push your changes into the web interface ourselves.13:37
paulproteusIn fact, if you know how to use Subversion, you can probably even commit yourself.13:37
tonyb486hi13:37
OsamaK_nice, I do know.. pandadave13:37
OsamaK_pandadave, how long does it take to apply the new translation?13:38
OsamaK_hi, tonyb48613:38
tonyb486my laptop is already halfway dead and I forgot my charger today13:38
OsamaK_tonyb486, :-)13:38
tonyb486and its only 8:3013:38
OsamaK_sorry.. It should go yo paulproteus13:40
paulproteusBTW, I'm Asheesh Laroia from CC.13:46
paulproteusIn case you've seen my name around but not this nickname. (-:13:46
paulproteusOsamaK_, You can view the translation at http://staging.creativecommons.org/ (especially http://staging.creativecommons.org/license/ ).13:47
paulproteusAs for how long to get to the real production site, that's much less clear.13:47
paulproteusOsamaK_, There is a translation in progress, re: Arabic.13:47
paulproteusHave you had a chance to check out if http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/i18n/trunk/po/ar/cc_org.po?view=markup&pathrev=11302 is improved?13:48
OsamaK_I have not, I'll.13:49
OsamaK_paulproteus, It is bad too :(13:49
OsamaK_paulproteus, well, how can I test the translation on these sites?13:50
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paulproteusThat's from what people have contributed to the web interface.14:00
paulproteusFrom what I understand it's much improved.14:00
paulproteusI don't speak Arabic so I can't verify this.14:00
paulproteushttp://staging.creativecommons.org/license/ lets you test the translation.14:01
paulproteusIf it's bad, too, the easiest thing to do is translate the PO file.  But you should email michelle at creativecommons.org who coordinates the international efforts at any rate.14:01
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OsamaK_paulproteus, sorry, you mean asking him if there already somebody works on it or not?14:05
OsamaK_paulproteus, Is translation of <a></a> kind of improvement? :P14:06
OsamaK_or <strong>!14:06
OsamaK_I prefer to start a new translation from the begin14:07
OsamaK_check this, paulproteus <http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-devel/2008-December/001176.html>14:08
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nathanypaulproteus: are you re-running "buildout install i18n" after updating the po files on staging?16:13
paulproteusnathany, Morning.16:23
paulproteusI am, but I currently have doubts that commit is actually working, so I'm going to double-check the whole path.16:24
nathanyok16:24
nkinkademlinksva: Do you know anything about the image at this post? http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/702016:25
mlinksvano16:26
nkinkademlinksva: Someone inquired about whether they could use the image or not.  In cases like this, do we just say "go ahead!" or "use at your own risk, like we did."16:30
paulproteusOkay, commits are working...16:38
paulproteusand po2cc is doing the right thing.16:38
paulproteusnathany, I just ran buildout -N install i18n by hand, and still ?lang=no doesn't work.16:39
nathanypaulproteus: and restarted cc.engine?16:39
paulproteusYes.16:39
nathanyok16:40
paulproteuslang=no Simply Doesn't Show Up in the "labs" /license/16:40
paulproteuslang=fr works fine, for example.16:40
paulproteusI'm going to go have lunch shortly; okay to talk at 1:30 my time (11:30 yours)?16:40
nathanysure16:40
paulproteusEr, wait, 1:30 my time is 10:30 yours I think.16:40
paulproteusWow, it's always really early out there on the west coast.16:40
nathanyoh, i wonder if this is an annoying problem with language codes16:40
paulproteusIt works fine in production!16:41
nathanyfor some reason lang=no stands out as one we might have gotten wrong16:41
nathanyhrm16:41
nathanyok16:41
paulproteusI should be back by then; let me say 10:30 to 11, hopefully toward the start of that.16:41
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* Bovinity ponders if the website should emphasise the FREE part of the licenses more.18:35
* nkinkade thinks that the /contact page should be the next for a major overhaul18:36
Bovinitynkinkade: almost all the Contact page content is moving to Stay Informed18:36
nkinkade(and emphasizing the "free" part.18:36
Bovinitythe next biggest priorties are /license and /18:36
nkinkadeOh, cool.  Then that will leave us room to add some admonitions for people to read the FAQ first.18:37
Bovinitythe next biggest priorties are /license and / and "free"18:37
nkinkadeI'd be happy to do /contact myself.18:37
nkinkadeAnd then put it up for review.18:37
Bovinitymore FAQ pointers on /contact could help a lot18:38
nkinkadeThat's the main thing I've got in mind.18:39
nkinkadeA brief section above the contact form just outlining, not answering, various common questions that are answered in the [F]FAQ.18:39
nkinkadeBovinity: What spurred you to make the comment about emphasizing that the licenses are free?18:42
nkinkadeThe CC wiki seems to be down.18:43
nkinkadea7 that is.18:43
Bovinitynkinkade: jen's on a call and had to empahsise that yes, licenses are free.18:43
Bovinitynkinkade: it's also a recurring theme.18:43
nkinkadepaulproteus: Are you by change doing anything largish with svn and code.CC.org?18:44
Bovinitynkinkade: but sure, if you ahve time available to tinker with /contact, go ahead.18:45
nkinkadenathany: Are you doing a large svn checkout or commit?18:46
paulproteusnkinkade, I don't think so.18:46
nathanynkinkade: yes, a large commit18:47
nathanyjust finished18:47
nkinkadeAnd now wiki is back.18:47
nkinkadeIt seems to have caused web services to pretty much go down on a7.18:47
nkinkadeThis disk I/O sensitivity is really a huge problem.18:47
nathanyany way to run all of our svn/git ops withing an ionice jail?18:48
nkinkadeI wonder if there is any way to ionice the svn stuff.18:48
paulproteusSure, that'd be easy.18:48
paulproteusI guess replace svnserve with a wrapper that ionices.18:48
paulproteusThe hard part is making sure that works properly with setuid() since ionice is a privileged operationl18:48
nkinkadepaulproteus: Do you think that could work git as well?18:48
paulproteusSure.18:48
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paulproteusHowever, it would be easy to write setuid-root wrapper for ionice that means, "ionice my parent".18:49
paulproteusThen if the parent calls that before it calls its children, the children will be ioniced.18:49
paulproteusShould I go write that now? (-:18:49
paulproteusShould take 15m or something.18:49
nkinkadepaulproteus: That would be great.18:49
nkinkade:-)18:49
paulproteusOkay, tty y'all in 15. (-:18:50
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paulproteusOkay, now I'll rewrite it in C.19:12
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paulproteusOkay, now I'll git push.19:23
paulproteuspaulproteus@vellum:~/projects/ionicer $ ionice -p$$19:24
paulproteusnone: prio 419:24
paulproteuspaulproteus@vellum:~/projects/ionicer $ ionicer19:24
paulproteuspaulproteus@vellum:~/projects/ionicer $ ionice -p$$19:24
paulproteusidle19:24
paulproteusIn another 10m I'll wrap git and svnserve.19:24
Bovinitylongest 15m evar.19:28
paulproteusYeah, for reals.  I first wrote it in Python, and then I realized how very wrong an idea that was.19:29
paulproteusI should probably make it a Debian package, but I won't "this time."19:30
* paulproteus enjoys how slow his own gitweb is...19:32
paulproteusSilly git-svn import of my music not being done yet.19:32
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paulproteusSuccess!19:46
paulproteusFor svn.19:46
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tonyb486hi19:56
paulproteusHowdy tonyb486.19:59
paulproteusnathany / nkinkade: http://labs.creativecommons.org/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=190 if you want to proofread20:03
paulproteusIn practice I'm waiting for a git 1.6 upgrade to finish compiling so the only binary put by git in /usr/bin is git itself, but svn is done.20:03
nkinkadepaulproteus: Looks good to me.  Thanks for that.20:08
nkinkadeSo why does it need to ionice it's parent?20:08
nkinkadeI think I got lost in the chain of events.20:09
paulproteusOh, I guess I could go into that.20:10
paulproteusThe idea is the shell script that calls it gets ioniced, and then that shell calls the svadmin.real.20:10
paulproteussvnadmin.real, rather.20:10
paulproteusWow, the git-svn tests are slow.20:11
nkinkadepaulproteus: No, I don't mean you need to get into that in the post, but here for my own understanding. :-)20:12
nkinkadeOr on the post, I can read either.20:12
paulproteusDid I explain it here well enough?20:14
nkinkadeI guess I don't know which shell script you are referring to.20:14
paulproteus/usr/bin/svnadmin20:15
nkinkadeIs svadmin a shell scriptl.20:15
nkinkadeAh.20:15
paulproteusIt's not usually.20:15
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nkinkadeOkay, now that makes sense.20:15
paulproteusBut the idea of diversion is that I make it one.20:15
nkinkadesvnserve normally get called directly through the SSH channel?20:16
paulproteusYup, that's the definition of svn+ssh.20:16
nkinkadeSo now this thing will be SSH->svnserve [bash script]->ionicer->svnserve.real?20:17
paulproteusIn execution path yes, but not in parent-child relationship.20:18
paulproteusssh->svnserve [bash script] -> ( ionicer -> ionice (which goes away))20:18
paulproteus                                        -> svnserve.real20:18
paulproteusMy indenting is off; that should come after the bash script, anyway.20:18
paulproteusAnd both ionice and ionicer go away.20:19
paulproteusLike a shell script that calls echo.20:19
paulproteusAnd now I got blocked on the git port for using it too much.20:22
paulproteusnkinkade, Er, what controls the git daemon?20:24
paulproteusI get "fatal: read error (Connection reset by peer)"20:24
nkinkadepaulproteus: I'm not sure.  Didn't you set that up?20:25
paulproteusDec  2 20:25:09 a7 inetd[32249]: execv /usr/bin/git-daemon: No such file or dire20:25
paulproteusctory20:25
paulproteusAh-hah.20:25
paulproteusI'll fix this.20:25
paulproteusHas to do with the 1.6 upgrade.20:25
paulproteusThere, all better!20:26
nkinkadeNow as a test you should checkout the entire subversion repository, or try to.20:26
paulproteusHah.20:30
paulproteus...if you insist.20:30
* paulproteus does so20:30
nkinkadehaha20:32
paulproteusWhat, got paged?20:32
nkinkadeNo yet.20:32
paulproteusKeep in mind both I and the server have enormous amounts of bandwidth.20:33
nkinkadeYou can know for yourself by heading over to your favorite local browser and asking for http://wiki.creativecommons.org20:33
paulproteusSeems good so far.20:36
paulproteusnathany, syn20:41
nathanyack20:42
paulproteusI'm still at a loss re: NO, plus wanna chat?20:42
paulproteusHope you enjoyed lunch (?).20:42
nathanypaulproteus: yeah, just back from lunch20:42
nathanygive me 5 minutes or so and let's chat...20:43
paulproteusSure, no prob.20:43
paulproteusI wonder where I can find some relative privacy.20:43
paulproteusI think you can actually see me on a webcam right now.20:43
paulproteusYeah, http://www.acm.jhu.edu/webcam.php20:43
greg-gpaulproteus: wave hello20:44
greg-glol20:44
paulproteusLOL over IP20:44
paulproteusLoIP20:44
tonyb486rofl20:44
tonyb486lol at that quote20:46
tonyb486paulproteus: dance20:47
paulproteus</dance>20:47
tonyb486hehehe20:47
tonyb486cool20:48
paulproteusAnyway, whenever you want nathany.20:48
paulproteusCall my cell is fine.20:48
* tonyb486 wonders if he should apply to that school too20:48
paulproteusIt's pretty neat.20:48
paulproteusYou could even transfer here.  acm.jhu.edu would be a great place for you.20:48
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paulproteushttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/Translating_with_Pootle/Administration20:57
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tonyb486feh -R1 http://128.220.70.65:808021:00
* tonyb486 is bored and stressed out at the same time21:00
tonyb486that means Im avoiding something, doesn ti21:00
tonyb486it21:00
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nkinkadeHere's something hilarious: http://pastebin.ca/127406121:17
nkinkadeI'm trying to figure out why CiviCRM is sometimes erroneously returning 2 apparent contributions, when only 1 exists.  It took me about an hour to even find out where that query was even getting generated, and now I've got to wade through beastly thing.21:18
tonyb486lol21:18
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paulproteusnkinkade, AND ( 1 )22:07
paulproteus...I wonder if my svn checkout of the whole repo finished.  I bitbucketed its output.22:08
nkinkadeNot sure what the AND (1) is for.22:10
* greg-g wonders if he should put "Will CC Attend=Yes" for the birthday party in Michigan he will be at22:12
paulproteusWell, it's really supposed to be for ccLearn things.22:14
greg-gI didn't realize that22:14
paulproteusWell, I'm not sure it's super true.22:15
paulproteusI think my filter might look for only ccLearn events anyway.22:15
paulproteusSo ignore my claim.22:15
paulproteusYou're welcome to, just know that it won't appear on the learn.creativecommons.org map. (-:22:15
greg-gglad to hear it :)22:15
greg-gwith a generic name like "Event" you wouldn't think it would be ccLearn specific ;)22:16
Bovinitywelcome to wikis!22:16
paulproteusI think it's not really ccLearn specific.22:18
paulproteusI think I was just afraid.22:18
* greg-g nods22:22
Bovinitynkinkade: should sciencecommons.org be in svn?22:38
nkinkadeBovinity: I think it probably should.22:40
nkinkadeAt the very least the theme.22:40
nkinkadeI don't think they have any modifications to WP, so perhaps the theme is enough.22:40
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