| nkinkade | I'm fairly astounded that there is no clear path to limit concurrent TCP connections per IP address for Debian Etch. | 00:18 |
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| nkinkade | Everything seems to require recompiling the kernel or using Apache 1.3.x. | 00:18 |
| nkinkade | If anyone knows of a nice solution, then by all means let me know. | 00:19 |
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| hdworak | hi | 07:05 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: I've sent you the email with gitweb descriptions of the repositories I handle | 07:05 |
| hdworak | ftobia: are you here? | 07:06 |
| hdworak | ftobia: why does cc.license require Pylons and Genshi? | 07:06 |
| hdworak | ftobia: could you please make cc.license parse licenses like http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en (with deed.xx at the end) - because Flickr uses them e.g. http://flickr.com/photos/joi/2589954195/ | 07:07 |
| hdworak | ftobia: thanks for releasing 0.2 at PyPI | 07:08 |
| ftobia | hdworak: hey | 07:08 |
| hdworak | ftobia: have you seen the validator in action? | 07:08 |
| ftobia | i haven't had much of anything to validate. do you have examples? | 07:08 |
| hdworak | http://validator-beta.creativecommons.org/validation/parseOnlineDocument?uri=http%3A%2F%2Flessig.org%2F&commit=Submit+the+remote+file+to+analysis | 07:09 |
| hdworak | http://validator-beta.creativecommons.org/validation/parseOnlineDocument?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fflickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fjoi%2F2589954195%2F&commit=Submit+the+remote+file+to+analysis | 07:09 |
| hdworak | cf. | 07:09 |
| ftobia | for your first question, Genshi is the templating engine that cc.license.formatters uses. we're planning on maybe refactoring it later so it's optional or so it's in its own package. | 07:09 |
| hdworak | ben.adida.net, lessig.org, free-culture.org, creativecommons.org, Flickr photos with copyleft | 07:10 |
| ftobia | Pylons is to keep a warning from happening, and i'm not sure what the warning meant, but i'll be revisiting it in the future. | 07:10 |
| ftobia | no problem for releasing 0.02 | 07:10 |
| hdworak | you can try the aforementioned URIs to test the validator | 07:10 |
| ftobia | and uh, for the time being, take that class of URLs, split off the end, and use the deed.xx to determine locale. that's my suggestion. | 07:10 |
| hdworak | as for a domain w/o license information, you can try www.chessbase.com | 07:10 |
| hdworak | ftobia: yes, that's what I thought of, but I thought it would be better if cc.license did all to the URIs | 07:11 |
| ftobia | nice. are you using cc.license for that information? | 07:11 |
| hdworak | absolutely | 07:11 |
| ftobia | sweet. i'm glad it's useful. | 07:11 |
| ftobia | hmmz. let me think. | 07:11 |
| hdworak | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=libvalidator.git;a=blob;f=libvalidator/__init__.py;h=a6b67e9044c021690b3b3ff062d90439c26a6186;hb=d180e047772ca93c2d050b5653f43656b376ab56 | 07:12 |
| hdworak | lines 118 onwards | 07:12 |
| hdworak | (I know you've added prohibits) | 07:12 |
| ftobia | very nice. | 07:13 |
| hdworak | cc.license has saved me a lot of work | 07:13 |
| hdworak | now that I'll use liblicense for multimedia files, it's gonna be money for nothing and the chicks for free | 07:14 |
| ftobia | i'm excited to hear that. aside from cc.api this is the first internal project that's been using it. | 07:14 |
| hdworak | this is the TODO: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=libvalidator.git;a=blob_plain;f=TODO;h=d1fea93fb86bbede1e6c7bf9c747841ff9f91652;hb=d180e047772ca93c2d050b5653f43656b376ab56 | 07:14 |
| hdworak | it might be that something can apply to cc.license | 07:14 |
| ftobia | when does summer of code end? | 07:16 |
| hdworak | well, the work that will be evaluated - Aug 18th (though paulproteus says I should pass the evaluation) | 07:20 |
| hdworak | then the showcase code can be developed until Sep 3rd | 07:20 |
| hdworak | but I'm willing to continue the work on the software anyway | 07:21 |
| hdworak | outside the GSoC boundaries | 07:21 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: WARNING!!! IPv6 is not supported in validator-beta (does work on my localhost application though) | 08:08 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: test cases: http://[2001:4860:0:1001::68]/ and http://ipv6.google.com/ | 08:09 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: the test cases should read "No machine‑readable information about licensing has been found." instead of "<type 'exceptions.IOError'> [Errno socket error] (101, 'Network is unreachable')" | 08:09 |
| hdworak | as it is 2008, this issue is of the utmost priority | 08:12 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Hi | 08:33 |
| paulproteus | IPv6, yay | 08:34 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: hi | 08:55 |
| hdworak | yes, it's not 1998 anymore | 08:55 |
| hdworak | it's trivial to set up on Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop Edition | 08:55 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, The CC servers currently have no IPv6 connectivity. | 09:04 |
| hdworak | do you think it's possible to set it up for validator-beta and then for validator? | 09:04 |
| hdworak | ah :( | 09:04 |
| paulproteus | I'm thinking of changing that. | 09:04 |
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| hdworak | Web 3.0 and no IPv6 | 09:04 |
| hdworak | well, nothing is perfect, Asheesh | 09:05 |
| paulproteus | Sure, but 6to4 is pretty easy. | 09:05 |
| hdworak | that's what I'm running all the time on my laptop | 09:05 |
| paulproteus | Really, even behind NAT? | 09:05 |
| hdworak | yes, behind a NAT | 09:06 |
| hdworak | (I'm in a MAN) | 09:06 |
| paulproteus | 6to4 doesn't work behind NAT, I thought. | 09:06 |
| paulproteus | What's MAN? | 09:06 |
| hdworak | Metropolitan (4500 inhabitants :D ) Area Network | 09:06 |
| hdworak | I've the Ubuntu package miredo installed | 09:06 |
| hdworak | basically, it required no setup at all | 09:07 |
| hdworak | actually, for some time, I have a public IP (though dynamic) | 09:07 |
| hdworak | but I'm still behind a home wireless router | 09:07 |
| hdworak | but as far as I recall, this worked w/o public IP, too | 09:08 |
| paulproteus | miredo is not 6to4. | 09:08 |
| paulproteus | FYI. | 09:08 |
| hdworak | ok, sorry | 09:09 |
| hdworak | Miredo is a Teredo client (as per RFC 4380): it can provide IPv6 | 09:09 |
| hdworak | connectivity to a dual-stack IPv6/IPv4 host even if it is located behind a | 09:09 |
| hdworak | NAT. | 09:09 |
| paulproteus | Yes, I know; 6to4 is a specific transition mechanism. | 09:09 |
| hdworak | nevertheless, even Miredo is enough for the validator to retrieve IPv6 Web pages | 09:10 |
| paulproteus | Yes, it's true. | 09:10 |
| hdworak | I'm off for a few hours, bye | 09:15 |
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| lenny64_ | Hello everyone | 10:05 |
| lenny64_ | I was asking myself : i'm doing guitar and i compose. I would like to put my music on Jamendo, but first i will have to set my music on Creative Commons licence. But, if i have any problem, how to prove that the music is mine ? (sorry i'm french ^^) | 10:09 |
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| hdworak | I'm back | 15:13 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: due to a back in Genshi, we did not have valid XHTML 1.0 Strict with validator-beta; I'd be grateful if you could rehash the app | 15:31 |
| hdworak | s/back/bug | 15:31 |
| paulproteus | Howdy hdworak. | 15:38 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 15:38 |
| hdworak | :) | 15:38 |
| paulproteus | BTW, good morning. | 15:39 |
| hdworak | :D | 15:39 |
| hdworak | it's 17:40 here | 15:39 |
| hdworak | good afternoon | 15:39 |
| hdworak | are you back in SF or what? | 15:39 |
| paulproteus | Still in AR. | 15:39 |
| paulproteus | But I only just woke up. | 15:39 |
| paulproteus | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fvalidator-beta.creativecommons.org%2F&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0 likes you. | 15:40 |
| hdworak | fine, thanks | 15:40 |
| hdworak | this was just a minor issue | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing. | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | I will handle your gitweb email shortly, I hope. | 15:40 |
| hdworak | I'm going to write the messages to cc-devel and labs today | 15:40 |
| hdworak | in this message, I'll skip the things I want to do before Aug 18th deadline | 15:41 |
| hdworak | just as the deadline would pass just now | 15:41 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 15:42 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: ping. | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | pong | 15:48 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: tried geo-ip in windows ... same problem ... O_o | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | OK. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | one sec | 15:49 |
| ankitg | take your time ... not going anywhere ... | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | Okay, hi. | 15:51 |
| paulproteus | So what are you going to do now then? | 15:51 |
| paulproteus | We could try to fix Geo IP on your Mac, or help you set up an Ubuntu VM (which is what I recall you said before you would do). | 15:52 |
| paulproteus | Or we could give you a shell account on a Linux machine where I have already installed the Python Geo IP module. | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | And you could do your development there. | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | What do you think of these options? | 15:55 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: I like the idea of doing it on Linux as that will be the deployment environment and I might as well make the changes required in the OS transition ... so I guess it's between a Ubuntu VM on my mac or shell account on a linux machine ... | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | Yes. An Ubuntu VM should be easier for you. | 15:56 |
| ankitg | Done. I'll setup ubuntu on my mac ... | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | I offered a few days ago to help you set up SSHFS so you can develop on your Mac and run thing sin a terminal in Ubuntu. | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure I'll have time to help with that today, but hopefully I will. | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | Are you aware you have about 48h before the submission deadline? | 15:57 |
| ankitg | the VM on the mac idea might be easier to implement than SSHFS ... | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | Just do the VM right now. | 15:57 |
| paulproteus | SSHFS is just a way to make the VM approach more user-friendly. | 15:58 |
| ankitg | doing it. | 15:58 |
| ankitg | ah | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | re: 48h: At least, for my grade; you're invited to keep working after that! | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to be offline for the last 24h of those 48h. | 15:58 |
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| ankitg | we just need to have geo-ip within 24hrs then ... and I need to commit everything to GIT ... | 15:59 |
| hdworak | relax, I am sure that you'll be able to make it | 16:01 |
| hdworak | :) | 16:01 |
| ankitg | hdworak: geo-ip has been 'annoying' to say the least | 16:01 |
| hdworak | I'm sorry to hear that | 16:01 |
| hdworak | is geo-ip FLOSS? | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, I'd like to see some actual analysis of the data, too. | 16:02 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: ^^ | 16:02 |
| hdworak | is this that maxmind product? | 16:03 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I think so; I'm not totally sure I suppose. | 16:03 |
| hdworak | about FLOSS or the authors? | 16:04 |
| hdworak | :) | 16:04 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: analysis of data would require one of the two things :: I download the logs and do it locally OR I run the scripts on EC2 ... | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | Both! | 16:04 |
| hdworak | :D | 16:04 |
| ankitg | hdworak: it's maxmind | 16:04 |
| hdworak | ok | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Well, we wanted not just code but analysis out of you. | 16:04 |
| hdworak | oh, so it seems they are selling the data(base) instead of propertiary software | 16:05 |
| paulproteus | As far as grading, I'm happy to grade you on your code submission as of Monday afternoon. | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | I'd be happier if you can help me grade you by having us set up the environment to *run* your code on EC2 during that week, and letting you give me results from your code. | 16:08 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: sounds like a plan. | 16:09 |
| ankitg | downloading ubuntu on its way ... | 16:10 |
| ankitg | there don't seem to be any good open alternatives to geo-ip ... | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | I need to prepare for two lightning talks I'm giving in 3h. | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, While you prepare your machine, can you please write that "State of the project" write-up? | 16:11 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: will do. | 16:11 |
| * ankitg quits bugging paulproteus and lets him prep for his talks ... | 16:12 | |
| hdworak | :D | 16:12 |
| hdworak | everyone at Google Kraków Meetup had lightning talks about his/her project | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | I wish you could bug me more! | 16:14 |
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| * hdworak is writing the blog post | 16:55 | |
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| shortlord | hi | 17:21 |
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| hdworak | shortlord: hi. what's up? | 17:58 |
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| * ankitg installed ubuntu ... installed geo-ip on ubuntu ... loved ubuntu ... then tinkered with leopard ... found a problem in /usr/local/lib/libGeoIP.dylib, file not of required architecture ... still, geo-ip country level seems to be working ... organization, city and region databases don't seem to be there ... back to work. | 19:07 | |
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| shortlord | What about the compatibility between different CC licences and Art Libre Licence? | 19:13 |
| shortlord | Can I make a movie and use a by-sa and an art libre song as the 2 soundtrack songs and then release everything as by-sa? | 19:14 |
| shortlord | Or alternatively, can I use a by-nc-sa Song and a by-sa Song and then release everything as by-sa or by-nc-sa? | 19:17 |
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| hdworak | shortlord: http://creativecommons.org.tw/licwiz/english.html | 19:54 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: I've posted the summary to the mailing list; blog entry is coming | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | Yay | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Any progress? | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | My two lightning talks just ended. | 20:14 |
| hdworak | how were they? | 20:15 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: GeoIP up and running ... Mac & Ubuntu both ... (-: | 20:29 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: I've written the labs post available at http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/08/16/license-oriented-metadata-validator-and-viewer-summertime-is-winding-up/ | 20:42 |
| hdworak | the contents are the same as the mailing list message except that there are more links in the blog entry | 20:43 |
| hdworak | is there anything else you require me to do until August 18th in order to pass the evaluation? | 20:44 |
| hdworak | ankitg: good job :) I'm glad you like Ubuntu | 20:45 |
| ankitg | hdworak: why wouldn't anyone like it? ... took a bit to find terminal, but after that, it was uber-easy ... I especially like the fact that firefox, pidgin, transmission etc, all the essentials are already there ... | 20:46 |
| hdworak | Firefox is not FLOSS enough, but unfortunately Ubuntu does not yet ship with Iceweasel or alike | 20:47 |
| hdworak | Epiphany is quite good for basic browsing though | 20:47 |
| ankitg | curl works ... | 20:48 |
| hdworak | another disadvantage of Ubuntu is that is somewhat encourages the usage of non-FLOSS software like partnering with Opera | 20:51 |
| ankitg | hdworak: why again is firefox not FLOSS enough? | 20:51 |
| Ekushey | Firefox is not FLOSS enough? | 20:52 |
| Ekushey | what am i hearing? | 20:52 |
| hdworak | the application they use for development, Launchpad, is not released under FLOSS | 20:52 |
| ankitg | Ekushey: it wasn't me ... hdworak said do ... ^^ | 20:52 |
| hdworak | because it incorporates propertiary graphics and trademarks, so you cannot patch Firefox software (e.g. fix bugs) and release such software as Firefox | 20:53 |
| ankitg | hdworak: I am sure they would ... if you asked nicely! ^_^ | 20:53 |
| Ekushey | hdworak, LP will be eventually released under GPL or a similar license | 20:53 |
| hdworak | ankitg, Ekushey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel#Origins_of_the_issue_and_of_the_Iceweasel_name | 20:53 |
| hdworak | Ekushey: that's good, but so far they are not better than SourceForge in this matter | 20:54 |
| ankitg | hdworak: yay, thanks, more bedtime reading ... oh look, it's almost bed-time! Perfect ... 0455 hrs ... | 20:54 |
| hdworak | oh, come on, it's just 22:54 | 20:54 |
| * ankitg considers heading home ... | 20:54 | |
| hdworak | good night :) | 20:54 |
| ankitg | hdworak: I am just considering ... if I leave the lab, I won't get much more work done ... | 20:55 |
| hdworak | aren't you able to work from home? | 20:55 |
| hdworak | don't worry, I'm sure everything will be all right | 20:55 |
| ankitg | hdworak: I am able to work from home ... but if I go home now, I'll just sleep ... | 20:56 |
| hdworak | :) | 20:57 |
| ankitg | anyways, geoip is now working perfectly, I also got the lite database and got the city and region etc working ... now I just have to figure out what to do with it ... :P | 20:58 |
| ankitg | GSoC was more fun before school reopened ... | 20:58 |
| ankitg | hdworak: you still busy with other stuff as well, I presume ... what all you up to, other than GSoC? | 20:59 |
| hdworak | no, actually, the worst period is over :) | 21:01 |
| hdworak | I'm doing a motorcycle course now | 21:02 |
| hdworak | went driving even today, reached 40 km/h | 21:02 |
| hdworak | my next project is a Javadoc-like compiler, which I plan to finish around the end of September | 21:03 |
| hdworak | (my classes start in October) | 21:03 |
| ankitg | hdworak: 40 Km/h ... you have a long way to go ... :P | 21:04 |
| hdworak | I'll continue to work on the validator, the difference being I'm not going to spend 16h/day on it, but more likely probably 10h/week | 21:04 |
| hdworak | at the exam you have to drive 50 km/h (for emergency stop and overtaking) | 21:05 |
| hdworak | you cannot drive more than 50km/h from 6:00 until 23:00 in a Polish city, be it with a motorcycle or a car | 21:06 |
| ankitg | heh i can't imagine anything less than 60 ... that's coz my old two-wheeler wouldn't go beyond 70, at which point it started making "noises" ... | 21:06 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:07 |
| hdworak | lol | 21:07 |
| ankitg | okie, then good luck with your exam =) ... I'll go grab something to eat and code for the Geo-IP part ... then I'll only have the deeds analysis code left ... | 21:12 |
| ankitg | BFN | 21:12 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:12 |
| hdworak | thanks, good night and good luck | 21:12 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: *bump* | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Hi | 21:26 |
| paulproteus | ankitg|afk, Hi/bye | 21:26 |
| paulproteus | ankitg|afk, Great re: GeoIP | 21:26 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: I've written the labs post available at http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/08/16/license-oriented-metadata-validator-and-viewer-summertime-is-winding-up/ | 21:26 |
| hdworak | the contents are the same as the mailing list message except that there are more links in the blog entry | 21:27 |
| hdworak | is there anything else you require me to do until August 18th in order to pass the evaluation? | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I'm satisfied! | 21:29 |
| hdworak | I'm very happy to hear that | 21:30 |
| hdworak | see you tomorrow :) | 21:33 |
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