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| paulproteus | nathany, It's *not* VIRT memory! It's VIRTual address space! | 05:52 |
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| paulproteus | Not that nkinkade is still here. | 05:52 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, "find" does not detect all non-ASCII files iirc. | 05:53 |
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| FaelVaz | !cc | 14:38 |
| FaelVaz | maxo | 14:38 |
| FaelVaz | eu quero card number | 14:38 |
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| rejon | mlinksva: get inspired -> http://commonsresearch.wikidot.com/local--files/nav:side/isummit08_vert_banner.png | 15:49 |
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| mlinksva | rejon: | 16:01 |
| mecredis | paulproteus: mlinksva does our google.com app include jabber? | 16:03 |
| mlinksva | mecredis: i assume so | 16:04 |
| mecredis | interesting | 16:04 |
| * mecredis tries to set it up | 16:04 | |
| mecredis | no luck | 16:05 |
| mecredis | the gmail app doesn't have a "chat" section so I assume this is wy | 16:05 |
| mecredis | why | 16:05 |
| mlinksva | otoh i don't see it | 16:06 |
| mlinksva | yeah | 16:06 |
| mlinksva | i dunno | 16:06 |
| mecredis | not like i need another mechanism of distraction | 16:06 |
| mlinksva | oh it looks like it is something that can be added | 16:06 |
| mlinksva | from the domain admin | 16:06 |
| mlinksva | probably talk to the nathans before we should do that | 16:07 |
| mecredis | yeah | 16:07 |
| mecredis | not crucial but just realizing it'd be nice to have contacts | 16:07 |
| mecredis | from work in chat | 16:07 |
| mecredis | "nice" | 16:07 |
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| mlinksva | currybot: 1 | 16:16 |
| mlinksva | ah no currybot | 16:16 |
| mlinksva | it's tofu masala day and i'm already hungry | 16:17 |
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| DanL- | mecredis re-tweet my last tweet | 16:56 |
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| mecredis | done | 16:58 |
| mecredis | though we're totally over capacity | 16:59 |
| mecredis | :( / :) | 16:59 |
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| greg-g | currybot list | 17:00 |
| currybot | (1) TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) | 17:00 |
| currybot | (2) SHAKAHARI SUBZI (Several fresh vegetables cooked with a fresh basil leaves) | 17:00 |
| currybot | (3) AAM KA MURGA (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored fresh mango) | 17:00 |
| currybot | (4) PATHANI MEATBALL (Meatball cooked in a yogurt, garlic, ginger and onion gravy) | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | special INFUSION | 17:00 |
| greg-g | Infused with Special Chef! | 17:00 |
| Bovinity | currybot: 1 | 17:00 |
| currybot | TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) Small cubes of fresh Tofu prepared in with garlic, ginger, onion and tomato. Seasoned with the lovely flavor of India’s best GARAM MASALA – fresh roasted cardamom. Cumin, coriander, cloves and cinnamon seeds stone grounded as in Indian villages!! | 17:00 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 17:00 |
| ftobia | it's a good thing the mango in #3 is curry flavored, or i wouldn't know what to do. | 17:02 |
| Bovinity | now that's a special infusion. | 17:02 |
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| mlinksva | nathany: i have some students who could help with that | 17:45 |
| mlinksva | re your current session | 17:45 |
| nathany | LOL | 17:45 |
| mlinksva | or re anything at all | 17:45 |
| nathany | right | 17:45 |
| nathany | it's not education that needs changed; it's the students | 17:45 |
| mlinksva | if only all students were raised in palo alto! | 17:46 |
| nathany | if only! | 17:46 |
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| ftobia | paulproteus, nathany: minor documentation issue fyi: api docs say that RDF is returned in an html comment, but the old implementation doesn't actually do that. so i'm just going to ignore that part of the docs when i reimplement. unless you think the docs are right? | 17:57 |
| nathany | ftobia: the docs are probably incorrect | 17:57 |
| ftobia | that's a relief. | 17:57 |
| nathany | the <rdf> tag should be rdf-xml | 17:57 |
| nathany | the <html> tag should include html + embedded metadata | 17:57 |
| nathany | i assume the docs are referring to the latter, right? | 17:58 |
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| ftobia | the docs say that a big ol' chunk of RDF is going to be embedded in a comment within the <html> tag. that doesn't happen in the old implementation. | 17:59 |
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| ftobia | the embedded metadata looks good, but i feel like the rdf-in-comment route was cast off a while ago as a bad idea. | 17:59 |
| ftobia | i could be making that up. | 18:00 |
| nathany | greg-g: ping | 18:03 |
| nathany | ftobia: yes, rdf-in-comment is teh suck | 18:03 |
| greg-g | nathany: pong | 18:03 |
| nathany | skimming the press release | 18:03 |
| nathany | if we're going to say "OOo through the Addin" we should also say "Office XP through the Addin" because | 18:04 |
| nathany | a) there is only an MS version for XP right now | 18:04 |
| nathany | and b) right now it reads like they build it in, which is not true | 18:04 |
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| ftobia | nathany: one last thing. why is <rdf> and <licenserdf> half-way duplicative in what it returns? like, why are there two tags with almost the same thing? | 18:04 |
| greg-g | nathany: good point | 18:05 |
| nathany | ftobia: <licenserdf> is just about the license - <rdf> is work | 18:05 |
| nathany | greg-g: and i'm still really queasy about the olpc stuff | 18:07 |
| nathany | saying "One prominent project *incorporating*..." | 18:07 |
| nathany | are they really incorporating it? | 18:07 |
| nathany | this may just be my general distaste for press releases | 18:08 |
| greg-g | nathany: they will be finally taking our patches next month | 18:08 |
| Bovinity | they will? | 18:08 |
| Bovinity | for serious? | 18:08 |
| greg-g | ie: next release | 18:08 |
| nathany | greg-g: yeah, we've heard that before | 18:08 |
| greg-g | for realz ya'll, well, as long as they don't change procedure on us again | 18:08 |
| Bovinity | if they do, it'll take another year for the patch to be accepted | 18:09 |
| nathany | if they change things, we'll drop it | 18:09 |
| nathany | i'm over it | 18:09 |
| greg-g | same | 18:09 |
| Bovinity | i thoguht we already had dropped it. | 18:09 |
| nathany | Bovinity: nearly | 18:09 |
| greg-g | I mean, I haven't had the same experience as you, but from reading those bug reports and going to an irc meeting with them... yeah. | 18:09 |
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| nathany | paulproteus is going to be doing some additional work late august (that's my recollection from the last irc meeting) | 18:10 |
| nathany | anyway, my distaste comes from the use of "incorporating" | 18:10 |
| greg-g | ah | 18:10 |
| greg-g | "one prominent project using..."? | 18:12 |
| nathany | "one once prominent project we've thrown time and code at..." | 18:12 |
| greg-g | heh | 18:12 |
| nathany | :) | 18:12 |
| greg-g | now now :) | 18:12 |
| rejon1 | yah, whatever on olpc | 18:13 |
| rejon1 | just gotta drop something about and if they change again, the code is there, they can have, next subject | 18:13 |
| rejon1 | hence this pr | 18:13 |
| greg-g | yeah, just get it out and done on our end | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | rejon1: greg-g: licensechooser.js stuff is on www now. btw. | 18:14 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: awesome, thanks | 18:14 |
| rejon1 | awesome | 18:14 |
| rejon1 | well, hopefully this will help raise awareness before your guys talk, etc | 18:15 |
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| nathany | just a note that this is my problem with PR in general - if this is the best example of liblicense we have, let's dump it because it sucks | 18:15 |
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| Bovinity | surely nautilus and eog integration are better examples than olpc | 18:15 |
| nathany | rejon1: maybe, but i'm super skeptical (but you know that) that anyone at OSCON beyond suits will see this | 18:15 |
| rejon1 | sure, that is fine too | 18:15 |
| nathany | Bovinity: they're not ready to ship; the mentions of them as "demos" is probably accurate | 18:16 |
| rejon1 | fuck, if we get one line out about the work we spent on that project, great! | 18:16 |
| greg-g | "For the desktop, Creative Commons has updated the C language-based software library called liblicense which may or may not be in the OLPC." | 18:17 |
| rejon1 | its not saying we are doing anymore, its good | 18:18 |
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| Bovinity | currybot's having a bad day | 18:20 |
| ftobia | tell me about it. | 18:21 |
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| Steren | hey I never noticed, but the French "add this text to your website" text for CC licences, is totaly broken | 18:43 |
| nathany | Steren: the HTML? | 18:44 |
| nathany | (that we generate) | 18:45 |
| Steren | you know : this text : | 18:45 |
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| Steren | <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/fr/"><img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src="http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by/2.0/fr/88x31.png"/></a><br/>Ce/tte création est mis/e à disposition sous un <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/fr/">contrat Creative Commons</a>. | 18:45 |
| Steren | Ce/tte création est mis/e à disposition sous un | 18:45 |
| Steren | should be | 18:45 |
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| Steren | Cette création est mise à disposition sous un | 18:45 |
| Steren | we don't have slash ponctuation yet in French language | 18:45 |
| nathany | :) | 18:45 |
| nathany | weird | 18:45 |
| Steren | ok it's just a bug in the po file | 18:46 |
| Steren | I update the translation | 18:46 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: paulproteus: I've got Varnish running in a screen terminal with -d (debug) on a7. | 19:01 |
| nathany | nkinkade: is that just FYI? | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | Last night both Varnish and cgit were both segfaulting. I'm almost glad about it because I hope it means that there is a single thing we can change that will clear it up for everything. | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | I'm letting you know so that neither of you try to restart Varnish with the init script. | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | And also so that you can, if you want, attach to the screen session to see any messages Varnish might output to the console. | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | Varnish segfaulted on a5 a few times last night but there were no core files, even though it's supposedly running with debugging enabled. Perhaps it has to be running with the -d option to produce core dumps, whereas on a5 the binary is debugging-enabled, but running normally from the init script. | 19:04 |
| DanL- | mecredis around? | 19:23 |
| mecredis | DanL-: yes | 19:23 |
| DanL- | i have our presentationa s a google doc | 19:24 |
| mecredis | nice | 19:24 |
| DanL- | should I share it w/you or hook up my own machine? | 19:24 |
| mecredis | hrm, maybe bring your own machine? | 19:24 |
| mecredis | they haven't gotten back tome about that | 19:24 |
| DanL- | cool | 19:24 |
| mecredis | but when I'm there in a bit I'll sort it out | 19:24 |
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| mlinksva | greg-g: ok, i'm done with the release | 19:52 |
| mlinksva | took way too long, kept getting distracted :( | 19:53 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you know anything about the jurisdiction dropdown on staging not working? | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: ^^^ | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: steren was working on that yesterday | 20:19 |
| nkinkade | Ah, ha. Thanks. | 20:19 |
| Bovinity | he mentioned there were still some issues | 20:19 |
| Steren | nkinkade: you use ffx ? | 20:19 |
| nkinkade | Steren: yes. | 20:19 |
| Steren | on staging, dropbox show on ie now, that's great | 20:19 |
| nkinkade | The problem is that it's printing all the names instead of using a dropdown. | 20:20 |
| Bovinity | ooh, i see now. | 20:20 |
| Steren | ohhhyeah | 20:20 |
| Steren | you talk about teh choose your jurisdiction | 20:20 |
| Steren | yes it's absolutly under ocntrol | 20:20 |
| nkinkade | Steren: So you'll fix that up? | 20:20 |
| Steren | in fact : I had to modify the javascript | 20:20 |
| nkinkade | It's staging, so it's cool to break things. No problem. | 20:21 |
| Steren | I just commit to svn | 20:21 |
| Steren | but not installed it on staging | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | Okay perfect. I'll do an svn up. | 20:21 |
| Steren | ok I'll svn update on staging | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | Okay, you do it. :-) | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | I'm testing something where I need access to that dropdown. | 20:21 |
| Steren | yeah, but the thing is that you have thus to update teh wordpress theme (I modified the sidebar.php) | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Are you going to svn up them both? | 20:23 |
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| greg-g | the event Melissa (woman who met with Jon, Tim, and I today) is working on in London, looks interesting: http://www.gamesfringe.com/ | 20:25 |
| Steren | nkinkade: yeah in fact I had some issue updating the jurisdiction.js | 20:26 |
| Steren | I don't fint it in the skin directory on staging | 20:26 |
| Steren | I commited to svn | 20:26 |
| Steren | but i don't know where to update | 20:26 |
| nkinkade | Okay, I'm going to get something to eat. I'll look at it when I get back. | 20:26 |
| Steren | oh yeah, it's because | 20:27 |
| Steren | it calls <script type="text/javascript" src="http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/dev/support/jurisdictions.js"> | 20:27 |
| Steren | so I can't really update "http://api.creativecommons.org/rest/dev/support/jurisdictions.js"> | 20:27 |
| Steren | without breacking the production website | 20:27 |
| Bovinity | Steren: what JS did you change, if both sites are still using the same jurisdictions.js? | 20:28 |
| Steren | I updated on svn jurisdiction.js | 20:29 |
| Steren | but the production jurisdiction.js may not be last svn | 20:29 |
| Bovinity | oh, i see.. staging doesnt have the <select></select> tag | 20:30 |
| Bovinity | are you moving that into the js too? | 20:30 |
| Steren | yep | 20:30 |
| Steren | to produce one <select> html block | 20:30 |
| Bovinity | ahhh | 20:30 |
| Bovinity | cool. as long as it continues to have an id attribute, there's some minor styling given to it in the themes | 20:31 |
| mecredis | hrm, getting weird convert errors on iamge upload on the wiki right now | 20:31 |
| Steren | it's only because otherwise xhtml strict doesn't whant a <script> inside a liste of <option> | 20:31 |
| mecredis | Errorcreating Thumbnaikl ... /usr/bin/convert: No such file or directory | 20:31 |
| mecredis | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Image:Profile-Settings-2.png | 20:32 |
| Bovinity | Steren: that's one of many things that doesn't validate as xhtml on the cc.org theme | 20:32 |
| Steren | yep | 20:32 |
| Steren | This won't be any more | 20:32 |
| Bovinity | well, we have to start somewhere. | 20:33 |
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| Steren | for now, the chooser and deeds are valid | 20:37 |
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| Steren | Bovinity: the chooser results have some issues I won't correct, it concerns the textarea text, it's html and it should not be there | 20:38 |
| Steren | but I don't want to update every .po file to change < > in < > | 20:39 |
| Steren | and I'm not sure this would work | 20:39 |
| Steren | mecredis: foryour error, wait for nkinkade to come back, it seams to be a serve directory issue | 20:42 |
| mecredis | cool | 20:43 |
| mecredis | thanks | 20:43 |
| mecredis | not a big deal at all | 20:43 |
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| Steren | brianrowe: what does FFAQ stands for again ? | 21:02 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Hi | 21:18 |
| nathany | Steren: Fucking Frequently Asked Questions ;) | 21:20 |
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| paulproteus | Hi nathany. | 21:21 |
| paulproteus | I lost my power supply. | 21:21 |
| paulproteus | I'm borrowing some nice guy next to me with an expensive watch's. | 21:21 |
| Steren | nathany: beleive me or net they told me yesterday that there was a real meaning :) | 21:21 |
| nathany | hi paulproteus; sad | 21:21 |
| nathany | leave it in the Erlang room or out on the table? | 21:22 |
| Bovinity | Steren: you think he's joking? | 21:22 |
| Bovinity | ;) | 21:22 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Erlang room is a possibility I hadn't considered. | 21:22 |
| nathany | (i believe they have a lost and found) | 21:22 |
| paulproteus | I think I brought it to lunch and left it there, but upon re-checking no dice. | 21:22 |
| paulproteus | I've looked into these possibilities. (-: | 21:22 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I don't see your screen on a5. | 21:23 |
| paulproteus | Oh, a7. | 21:23 |
| mlinksva | nathany: wtf! | 21:26 |
| mlinksva | ? | 21:26 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How about this useful note from the child Varnish process when it segfaulted a while ago: | 21:26 |
| nkinkade | Child said (2, 17459): <<flunk 8192 7648 | 21:26 |
| mlinksva | re mf in email | 21:26 |
| nkinkade | It might be more meaningful than I know, though. | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | I just want a stack trace. | 21:27 |
| nathany | mlinksva: i'm in the Thunderbird 3 talk, talking about doing the calendar integration thing that GMail/Google Calendar does | 21:27 |
| mlinksva | i guess not the worst idea in the universe, if you accept that uf and html email are good ideas | 21:27 |
| nathany | i do no. | 21:27 |
| nathany | not | 21:27 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: There still isn't a core dump | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, How did you set the path to core dumps? | 21:27 |
| nkinkade | The debugging page at the Varnish wiki says there should be one. | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | You seemed pretty confident that they would live in some directory. | 21:27 |
| paulproteus | Also there's a ulimit option about core dumps. | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | Apparently Varish will put it in /var/lib/var/a7.creativecommons.org/ | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | according to the wiki. | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | sorry, /var/lib/varnish/a7.creativecommons.org | 21:28 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/DebuggingVarnish | 21:28 |
| paulproteus | You've checked ulimit -c? | 21:29 |
| nkinkade | I've done all those things. But there's one thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I commented out the dh_strip part of the debian/rules, but to add the extra ./configure options I put then in the rules file as well under "config.status: configure" | 21:29 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Uh | 21:30 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I set ulimit -c unlimited before running the command in that terminal. | 21:30 |
| paulproteus | Do you understand how Makefiles work? | 21:30 |
| nkinkade | Not really. | 21:30 |
| paulproteus | You didn't need to change that config.status: configure line. | 21:30 |
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| paulproteus | In fact, any changes to it may easily have broken the build process. | 21:31 |
| paulproteus | /usr/sbin/varnish is in fact not stripped, which means that it built fine. | 21:33 |
| paulproteus | (based on "file /usr/sbin/varnish") | 21:33 |
| paulproteus | We could always just attach gdbs to the varnish. | 21:34 |
| paulproteus | Although there's a bunch of varnish processes anyway. | 21:34 |
| paulproteus | So presumably they fork. | 21:34 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: try $ file /usr/sbin/varnishd | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | Er! | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | Wait, yeah, I said it right. | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | file /usr/sbin/varnishd | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | /usr/sbin/varnishd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, but with a "d" at the end. | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | As I said (and as is good), not stripped. | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yeah. | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | Typo. | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | Right. | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | I thought I typo'd "not stripped" to "stripped" which would have been worse. | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | So, I didn't see anywhere else in the Debian rules that there were configure options other that at that point the rules file. | 21:36 |
| nkinkade | I didn't just want to run ./configure --<options> in the root, because I assumed that Debian had it's own way of configuring. | 21:36 |
| paulproteus | I'm confused. | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | I didn't want to override a bunch of other ./configure options that the package maintainer may have applied. | 21:37 |
| paulproteus | Are you telling me you don't think you added the stuff to the configure options? | 21:37 |
| paulproteus | If so I can help you find the right place to add them. | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't 100% sure, but if not, then it's an error that can be corrected in all of 5 minutes. | 21:38 |
| paulproteus | If you tell me path names I can look at things. | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | I added the configure options to debian/rules in the places that looked most sensible to me. | 21:38 |
| nkinkade | I took it for granted that the Debian package building scripts would apply their own arguments to configure, and I didn't want to override those in any way by running ./configure on my own. | 21:39 |
| paulproteus | Look, show me what you changed. | 21:39 |
| paulproteus | You're making me worried with all this hand-waving. (-: | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | Just where it was yesterday. | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | /root/varnish | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | on a5 | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | (which I had already forgotten) | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | cool, thanks. | 21:40 |
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| nkinkade | But are you saying that the Debian package building scripts do *not* run ./configure, ever? | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | I'm saying nothing of hte sort. | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | Well, I'm just trying to justify why I didn't manually run ./configure. | 21:41 |
| paulproteus | Line 35 is where they run configure, and you seem to have done this correctly. | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | It seemed only logical to me that dpkg-buildpackage would run ./configure, and add many options that the maintainer thought were right for Debian. | 21:41 |
| paulproteus | Open up the file for me | 21:41 |
| paulproteus | I thought you said that you changed line 30. | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | So, for example, that the binary ended up at /usr/sbin/varnishd, instead of something like /usr/local/lib/varnish/varnishd. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | Whereas in fact you changed line 35, which makes sense. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | I mean in /root/varnish/varnish-1.1.2/debian/rules on a5. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | I think we now are in total agreement. | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | I changed the part of the debian/rules file where I saw all sorts of other configure arguments. | 21:43 |
| paulproteus | Yup. | 21:43 |
| paulproteus | +1 | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | And that line is the "config.status: configure" block, which I mentioned earlier and you seemed to imply that that was totally wrong. | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | Now you've got me confused. | 21:43 |
| paulproteus | Let me be clear. | 21:44 |
| paulproteus | <nkinkade> I've done all those things. But there's one thing I wasn't 100% sure about. I commented out the dh_strip part of the debian/rules, but to add the extra ./configure options I put then in the rules file as well under "config.status: configure" | 21:44 |
| paulproteus | You wrote: to add the extra ./configure options I put then in the rules file as well under "config.status: configure" | 21:44 |
| paulproteus | I thought this meant: | 21:44 |
| paulproteus | To add the extra ./configure options, I did two things. | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | I put them in the rules file on line 35, as well as modified line 30 which contains "config.status: configure". | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | In fact, it meant: | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. I make lots of grammar errors and typos when I'm typing fast(ish) | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | To add the extra ./configure options, I did one thing: modify line 35. | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Precisely. Sorry I was unclear about that. | 21:46 |
| paulproteus | No worries, welcome to Clarit. | 21:46 |
| paulproteus | y | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | So, now back to square one. The wiki page Varnish indicates that Varnish should create core files in /var/lib/varnish/a7.creativecommons.org | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | It also mentions that on FreeBSD you need to enable core dumps by changing the state of some kernel variable with systctl (or in /proc?) | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | But I couldn't find anywhere that that was necessary in Linux. | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | (So, to answer your questions earlier, I have a basic idea of what Makefiles do, but I don't fully understand their mechanics.) | 21:48 |
| * paulproteus nods | 21:48 | |
| paulproteus | I'm going to run off to talk by the offlineimap author. | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: But a child process of varnishd segfaulted since I've been running varnishd in the terminal, and there is some output in the terminal, but I don't see any core files. | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | Weird. | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | One more question. | 21:50 |
| paulproteus | Tell me again all of what you did about ulimit. | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | # ulimit -c unlimited | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | then I started varnishd | 21:50 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, that should do it. | 21:51 |
| nkinkade | (I also did "ulimit -n <big number>" | 21:51 |
| paulproteus | So long as it's a child process of the thing where you ran ulimit. | 21:51 |
| paulproteus | Okay weird bye bye. | 21:51 |
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| nkinkade | Steren: Can you revert whatever you had done on staging so that the jurisdiction dropdown comes back. | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | At least just for the moment. | 21:53 |
| Steren | sure | 21:53 |
| Steren | I'll just update -r ****before any changes from me*** | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | I was about to go in and do it, but I realized that you're better able to undo just the right thing quickly. | 21:53 |
| nkinkade | I think we also need to think rather seriously about whether we want to serve up the Deeds as application/xml+rdfa. | 21:54 |
| nkinkade | I'm not opposed to it, but in this case validation might come at a cost. | 21:54 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: ok http://staging.creativecommons.org/license/ is updated to a rev before any of my changes | 21:57 |
| Steren | deeds are definitively ok to be in production | 21:57 |
| Steren | tested on ffx, ie, safari | 21:57 |
| Steren | but I just have one last helpbox issue for chooser, it's not so important, it's just the helpbox that is not the right size on ffx | 21:58 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Have you svn up'd? | 21:58 |
| Steren | yes | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | ... on a7, in staging, I mean. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | The dropdown still doesn't show. | 21:59 |
| Steren | try refresh the page | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | I just did. Even cleared the browser cache. | 21:59 |
| nkinkade | Let me make sure Varnish isn't caching it. | 22:00 |
| Steren | the dropdown here http://staging.creativecommons.org/license/ works fine for me | 22:00 |
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| nkinkade | I'm looking at the dropdown at http://staging.creativecommons.org | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Not the one at /license/ | 22:01 |
| nkinkade | Or lack of, I should say. :-) | 22:01 |
| Bovinity | the one on /license/ is still using the <select> tags, etc | 22:02 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: I'm not sure. I haven't looked at it yet. | 22:02 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Does the dropdown show for you on the main page of staging, or is just my browser going crazy? | 22:03 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: staging/, no, because steren hasn't finished with the JS updates (moving the <select> tag into the JS, rahter than it being on the page html) | 22:03 |
| Bovinity | staging/license/ dropdown code is the same as the current production version | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | Alright. I guess looking at the one in /license/ is good enough for me for the moment. | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | In fact, it is. | 22:04 |
| Bovinity | uhhhh | 22:05 |
| Bovinity | staging.creativecommons.org wants a zope login.... | 22:05 |
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| nkinkade | ? | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | Where? | 22:06 |
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| Bovinity | / | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | Surely it's an issue with our "rewrite" rules in Varnish. | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I don't get that login message. | 22:07 |
| Bovinity | hm. it's gone now. | 22:07 |
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| nkinkade | I won't ask questions if you don't. | 22:07 |
| * Bovinity nods | 22:08 | |
| Steren | nkinkade: you want me to change my modifications in svn or just to do a svn up -r 10542 ? | 22:14 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: my rev for wp theme modification is 10543, update before it to have a nice dropdown menu | 22:21 |
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| nkinkade | Steren: Is is safe for me to svn up on the production site? | 22:31 |
| nkinkade | Or will that pull in some unwanted changes at the moment. | 22:31 |
| Steren | for the moment : svn up on production is ok | 22:32 |
| Steren | there is only a very very small display bug for chooser under ffx | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Good, because I just started it a minute ago. :-) | 22:33 |
| Steren | you have to update the cc.engine | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | And I will be updating cc.engine momentarily. | 22:33 |
| Steren | but also everything related to wordpress and javascript | 22:33 |
| nkinkade | Basically I just did: $ svn up /var/www/creativecommons.org/www | 22:34 |
| Steren | I'll browse the website to see if something is broken | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | And then I'll do an svn up on /var/www/creativecommons.org/cc.engine | 22:34 |
| Steren | yep tell me hen you do it | 22:35 |
| Steren | waw the google knol thing officialy under CC rocks | 22:37 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Everything is updated, and seems to work. | 22:40 |
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| nkinkade | Say hi to the Germany 3.0 licenses: http://creativecommons.org/international/de/ | 22:41 |
| * greg-g waves to Germany 3.0 | 22:41 | |
| Steren | nkinkade: it's not necessary to restart the zope server or something like that ? because the chooser is not updated | 22:42 |
| Steren | oh yeah | 22:42 |
| Steren | we need to move to production branc or something like that | 22:42 |
| Steren | I only modified the trunk one | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | Steren: I did restart cc.engine. | 22:43 |
| nkinkade | That could be, and just as well. We can't have code floating around committed to the svn repository that would break the production site when we svn up it. | 22:43 |
| Bovinity | this is why we svnmerge | 22:44 |
| Steren | nkinkade: Bovinity: ok my changes are in trunk for wordpress and cc.engine, they are not in the production branch. | 22:47 |
| Bovinity | what svn commit #'s, so i don't accidentally push them to production? | 22:47 |
| Steren | I made a lot of commits, is there an easy way to get the #'s ? | 22:50 |
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