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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, yay. | 00:06 |
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| paulproteus | "duh" | 00:06 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It all seems to be working. At least it fixed cgit and I was able to push and pull on something else. | 00:07 |
| paulproteus | Yippee. | 00:07 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Hey, did you use set-selections etc? | 00:07 |
| paulproteus | You'd think that would solve this. | 00:07 |
| nkinkade | I would have had I been using a {get,set}-selections from a6, but I was using the one from a7. | 00:08 |
| paulproteus | a7 is the one I did? | 00:08 |
| paulproteus | Right, right. | 00:08 |
| paulproteus | So you would have had to decide to install a5's package set on that already-running machine. | 00:08 |
| nkinkade | But that is mostly all behind us now because a6 is the last one to go to 64 bit. | 00:08 |
| nkinkade | By the by, paulproteus ... is it possible to manage memory in a python program or does python always handle all of that for you, like it or not? | 00:09 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, "It depends" | 00:09 |
| paulproteus | Basically, it handles it all for you. | 00:09 |
| paulproteus | If you want, you can call malloc() yourself. | 00:10 |
| nkinkade | I ask because zope on a5 keeps segfaulting about every few minutes. | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | By literally importing libc and calling malloC(). | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, I heard about that. | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | That's Not Supposed To Happen. | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | Is this a fresh 64-bit buildout? | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | Or is it a copy of a buidout from 32b? | 00:10 |
| nkinkade | And it seemed strange to me, since I figured that python would handle the memory management. | 00:10 |
| nkinkade | Which made me wonder if there was something wrong with the build of python. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | Answer to above question? | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | Strangely even varnishd has segfaulted a few times. | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | It's a clearn buildout. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | That spell-checks to both clean and cclearn. | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | It's not a clean checkout, but I did a ./bin/buildout. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | Do a clean checkout. | 00:12 |
| paulproteus | Maybe there's random old pycs or something. | 00:12 |
| paulproteus | Unless you've done the equivalent of make distclean I don't trust it. | 00:12 |
| nkinkade | Ah. I'm still mildly worried about the small handful of varnishd segfaults, though. | 00:12 |
| nkinkade | Nathan looked at this the other day, but I'm not sure he did a clean svn checkout of the cc.engine code. | 00:12 |
| nkinkade | I guess I'll try that now. | 00:12 |
| * paulproteus nods | 00:12 | |
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| nkinkade | But paulproteus, just out of curiosity, if zope is segfaulting, would that likely indicate that zope is doing at least some of it's own memory management? | 00:22 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Well, that some C Python extension is. | 00:56 |
| paulproteus | Hard to say which one without a backtrace. | 00:57 |
| nkinkade | It may come down that. | 00:57 |
| nkinkade | The other day I attached to one of the zope processes with strace, but the output wasn't all that useful, at least not to my eyes. | 00:58 |
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| nkinkade | And viewvc.cgi seems to be eating up a good deal of CPU time on a7 lately ... seems like around 80% a lot of the time. Makes the machine little sluggish. | 00:59 |
| nkinkade | yahoo and msn bots seem to be the likely culprits, but neither are the making huge numbers of concurrent connections. I'll have to look into that tomorrow. | 01:00 |
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| moitoius | hey people | 09:03 |
| moitoius | I have been looking around the CC website for info on how to pass in author info etc. into the licence URL.e.g. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/za/?author=John Doe | 09:05 |
| moitoius | and I can't find any | 09:05 |
| moitoius | because I want to write a simple control to add a CC button to .Net apps | 09:06 |
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| moitoius | anyone? | 09:21 |
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| DanL- | hi | 13:28 |
| DanL- | anyone awake? Iam trying to brainstorm an idea or 5 | 13:30 |
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| DanL- | fred you awake? | 13:43 |
| mecredis | yeah | 13:53 |
| DanL- | awesome | 13:53 |
| mecredis | good morning | 13:53 |
| DanL- | I need some help :) | 13:53 |
| DanL- | good morning! | 13:53 |
| DanL- | I will msg? | 13:54 |
| mecredis | sure | 13:54 |
| DanL- | ty | 14:03 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 15:39 |
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| nathany | wow, the network latency @ OSCON sucks | 16:09 |
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| Steren | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://identi.ca | 16:25 |
| Steren | down | 16:26 |
| mecredis | and so it begins | 16:26 |
| Steren | :) | 16:26 |
| greg-g | nooooooooooooooo | 16:26 |
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| greg-g | http://laconi.ca/Main/ListOfServers | 16:28 |
| greg-g | for backup ^ | 16:29 |
| greg-g | http://zeitgeisty.net/greg | 16:32 |
| mecredis | wow, and so they're all pulling the same data? | 16:33 |
| greg-g | no | 16:33 |
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| mecredis | so those are all silos? | 16:35 |
| mecredis | (not in theory, just reality) | 16:36 |
| greg-g | mecredis: think email | 16:36 |
| greg-g | we all have our home server (identi.ca or you own personal hosted one) but you can listen to your friends on other servers using the federation | 16:37 |
| mecredis | hrm | 16:37 |
| mecredis | and see them appear on identi.ca ? | 16:37 |
| mecredis | see them by visiting those sites | 16:38 |
| mecredis | I maen I understand why openId is useful here | 16:38 |
| mecredis | but if someone updates on a distant server, how do I see that? | 16:38 |
| greg-g | you subscribe to them | 16:38 |
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| greg-g | it isn't a push, it is a pull | 16:39 |
| mecredis | pulling from ident.ca then? | 16:39 |
| mecredis | or just RSS | 16:39 |
| greg-g | no rss | 16:39 |
| greg-g | federation | 16:39 |
| greg-g | ok.. see here: | 16:39 |
| mecredis | yeah, sorry for being dense | 16:39 |
| greg-g | I have a server on grossmeier.net (I don't) which hosts all of my family | 16:39 |
| mecredis | OK | 16:40 |
| greg-g | no no, not dense, dense topic :) | 16:40 |
| mecredis | haha | 16:40 |
| Bovinity | magic of hte internets | 16:40 |
| ftobia | mecredis: i had this same issue two minutes ago. | 16:40 |
| greg-g | but, my family wants to listen to other people who aren't in our family (we aren't that conceited) | 16:40 |
| mecredis | haha | 16:40 |
| mecredis | and who aren't on gossmeier.net, ostensibly | 16:40 |
| greg-g | so, they subscribe to people on identi.ca, zeitgeity, whatever... | 16:40 |
| mecredis | via g.net | 16:41 |
| mecredis | ? | 16:41 |
| mecredis | thats the front end they see? | 16:41 |
| greg-g | then, that subscription tells the identi.ca server that "hey, when person A updates, greg@grossmeier.net wants to know about it" so identi.ca sends person A"s messages to grossmeier.net | 16:41 |
| ftobia | greg-g: so how do i set this up? | 16:42 |
| mecredis | oh I see. | 16:42 |
| greg-g | you go to another server, under that person's name is a subscribe button (even though you don't have an account on that server).. | 16:43 |
| mecredis | and does grossmeier.net send to identi.ca ? | 16:43 |
| mecredis | ah very cool | 16:43 |
| mecredis | so its more like news groups, actually | 16:43 |
| greg-g | that subscribe button will then say "hey, where are you from, lets go log in there so I know where to send these messages" | 16:43 |
| mecredis | in that servers make an effort to sync data across | 16:43 |
| mecredis | (but less volume because its opt in) | 16:43 |
| ftobia | okay so what if i have an account at identi.ca, but also at zeitgeisty. | 16:43 |
| greg-g | mecredis: if someone wants to hear about my messages it does :) (pull, not push, you only hear what you explicitly say you want to hear) | 16:44 |
| mecredis | right | 16:44 |
| mecredis | so whereas newsgroups is push | 16:44 |
| mecredis | this is pull | 16:44 |
| greg-g | ftobia: then you have two services to check | 16:44 |
| mecredis | so all the laconica servers have to keep a list of servers "Out there" | 16:44 |
| greg-g | not really, I mean they could. but it is up to the user to decide what server they trust | 16:45 |
| greg-g | because, I guess theorectically, I could subscribe to a friend on server badnews.com but then the badnews.com admins think it would be funny to send messages to all subscribed people with spam | 16:45 |
| greg-g | btw, I probably explained this in a very bad way, so if you have more questions, #laconica is the dev channel | 16:46 |
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| DanL- | identi.ca is a decentralized twitter? | 17:33 |
| mecredis | DanL-: yes | 17:34 |
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| DanL- | irc meets twitter | 17:35 |
| DanL- | nice | 17:35 |
| DanL- | I mean, can servers speak to each other? | 17:35 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 17:36 |
| DanL- | very cool | 17:36 |
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| Steren | http://creativecommons.org/ is down ... | 17:57 |
| greg-g | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/creativecommons.org returns a google 502 error. Is that site a google site? | 17:57 |
| mecredis | apparently | 17:57 |
| mecredis | I think the guy did that in his spare time | 17:57 |
| mecredis | at google | 17:57 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: downforeveryoneorjustme.com uses gandi.net :) | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, (-: | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | Huh? re: 502 | 17:58 |
| greg-g | oh, it is working now, it was giving me a Google Server Error | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 17:59 |
| Bovinity | that may have been analytics giving you an error | 17:59 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: will you be officially releasing the next liblicense on the day you present? | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that's an interesting idea. | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | It depends if I fix these bugs. | 18:00 |
| greg-g | cool | 18:00 |
| greg-g | I'll leave you alone then ;) | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | I'm at the XMPP Summit instead anyway. | 18:00 |
| greg-g | oh right, I heard that was going to be good | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | Looks like I should buy these tickets on Fandango, eh? | 18:01 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: You probably got my email(?), but I was noticing today, and also a few days ago, some segfaults of Varnish on a7 as well as on a5. Can you can scan the list of steps I took to see if I did or forgot to do something that stands out to you? | 18:02 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: yes, I have no clue how long the "selloutness" of Dark Knight will go | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I just saw that. | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | http://labs.creativecommons.org/ | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | URL for list of steps? | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | But I think you did everything fine. | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | First post. | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | frost post | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | One thing I did notice just a day after getting a5 running with CC.org was that I had forgot to swapon! | 18:02 |
| paulproteus | Oh, gack. | 18:03 |
| paulproteus | Still, though. | 18:03 |
| Bovinity | greg-g: i'm enjoying how the url to get ticekts on monday doesn't work, and results in a page error. for me. fail. | 18:03 |
| paulproteus | I'd love core dumps. | 18:03 |
| paulproteus | Those would be useful. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | I had originally hoped that the problems were related to that, but they weren't. Swap seems to be working fine. | 18:03 |
| paulproteus | Then we can backtrace the suckers. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | I may have to recompile Varnish to produce core dumps. | 18:03 |
| nkinkade | Or with some special debug options set. | 18:03 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, " | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | Internal Error | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | Unable to process ticket request. | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | " | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | Oh, probably because I block cookies. | 18:05 |
| Bovinity | nope | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | Oh. | 18:05 |
| Bovinity | unless i turned off cookies when i wasn't paying attention | 18:05 |
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| Steren | I had a page error too,but on my second try, everything was ok | 18:07 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, What directory contains the files you used to generate the .deb? | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | re: varnish | 18:14 |
| rejon | stats on labs dropped drastically fromthe conversion | 18:15 |
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| rejon | did URL redirects not get added on conversion nkinkade? | 18:15 |
| rejon | word up tvol | 18:16 |
| Bovinity | hrm, the tracking code may not have been updated witht he theme change | 18:16 |
| rejon | evol tvol | 18:16 |
| Bovinity | if the stats dropped to 0 | 18:16 |
| rejon | its still getting data though Bovinity | 18:16 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It seems to be a5:/root/varnish | 18:16 |
| Bovinity | rejon: because the labs projects probably still have the correct code | 18:16 |
| ftobia | currybot: list | 18:17 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI CHANNA PANEER (Garbanzo beans and cottage cheese cubes cooked together) | 18:17 |
| currybot | (2) AAM KE SAATH SUBZI (Several vegetables cooked with red onions, garlic, tomatoes and raw mangoes.) | 18:17 |
| currybot | (3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) | 18:17 |
| currybot | (4) TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 18:17 |
| tvol | hey rejon, what's up? bet you don't have bomb scare outside your office, do you? we may or may not have one of those right now. | 18:17 |
| tvol | good times in our nation's capital | 18:17 |
| nkinkade | rejon: Which URLs aren't redirecting? | 18:17 |
| rejon | tvol: what! i thought we had an anthrax scare, but i forgot to plug in my headphones | 18:17 |
| rejon | get it! | 18:18 |
| rejon | nkinkade: no, just assessing why stats dropped | 18:18 |
| rejon | or rather weakly assessing | 18:18 |
| Bovinity | rejon: fixing it. | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | rejon: stats for labs, specifically? | 18:18 |
| rejon | cc wiki has some really strong stats though | 18:18 |
| rejon | yo, help make http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Priority_Projects like FSF | 18:19 |
| rejon | :) | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | rejon: I have an idea. The name changed from techblog to labs, could it have something to do with that? Do we need to update our Analytics stuff? | 18:19 |
| Bovinity | oh bugger. analytics plugin admin interface is broken. | 18:19 |
| greg-g | tvol: bomb scare eh? sounds fun. | 18:19 |
| rejon | I have a copyright scare | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: labs is using the wrong analytics code | 18:20 |
| greg-g | rejon: antrhax/headphones /me hangs head | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Edit debian/rules, comment out dh_strip, and rebuild, and install the resulting packages. | 18:20 |
| rejon | anthrax the band! | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | Then we get debugging symbols. | 18:20 |
| greg-g | rejon: yeah, got it, hence the hanging of the head | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | Next we need to figure out how to get the system to actually save the core files. | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | greg-g: less head hanging, more head banging. | 18:20 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: word | 18:21 |
| mlinksva | mangos, hmmm | 18:23 |
| rejon | sepultura karaoke | 18:23 |
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| rejon | did that bomb go off? | 18:24 |
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| rejon | I'm ready for next karaoke set...working up to do christian songs, prince, disney tunes, and prong/sepultura trax | 18:24 |
| rejon | another false alarm @tvol? | 18:25 |
| tvol | rejon: eh, tbd. | 18:27 |
| Bovinity | disney sepultura..... scary. | 18:28 |
| rejon | yah, why don't people sing other lyrics when they get on stage? | 18:31 |
| rejon | do instant mash-up...or sing new lyrics, or come up with new song over karaoke tracks? | 18:32 |
| DanL- | hard to do | 18:32 |
| DanL- | that's me in the corner | 18:33 |
| DanL- | that's me in the spot | 18:33 |
| DanL- | light | 18:33 |
| DanL- | losing my blackberry | 18:33 |
| DanL- | doesn't quite work. | 18:33 |
| rejon | its because you are weak DanL...come on! | 18:34 |
| rejon | has anyone attempted it? maybe the karaoke dj won't allow it??? | 18:34 |
| greg-g | they usually are a bit strict | 18:36 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/DebuggingVarnish | 18:44 |
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| nkinkade | So, uncommenting dh_strip will enable the proper ./configure arguments | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | Is that a question? | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | Yes. | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | At that URL he mentions two specific arguments. | 18:45 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Read or modify line 35 in debian/rules then. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | (The configure arguments) | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | In addition to removing dh_strip. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | Removing dh_strip prevents the package building process from stripping debugging symbols. | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Ah, okay, I wasn't sure if I need to add those configure argument myself. I'll do that now. | 18:47 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:47 | |
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| greg-g | "F recursion" -- ftobia | 18:57 |
| ftobia | recursion--, srsly. | 18:58 |
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| greg-g | haha, very funny. unwanted mail with an "unsubscribe" link at the bottom brings me to a user/pass authenticated site. No unsubscribe for you! | 19:01 |
| rejon | greg-g can you get me curry today...swamped on f'ing email | 19:06 |
| Steren | nkinkade: if I want to test my code changes on the deeds and chooser, can I do it on staging.creativecommons.org on a6 ? | 19:07 |
| rejon | i'm assuming you guys getting curry | 19:07 |
| rejon | ;) | 19:07 |
| Steren | rejon: probably not, we may try toaster oven | 19:07 |
| rejon | what! coup! | 19:07 |
| greg-g | rejon: we're going to Toaster Oven actually | 19:07 |
| rejon | ok, nm | 19:07 |
| rejon | i'll come then | 19:07 |
| greg-g | k | 19:07 |
| Bovinity | greg-g: haha, did jen turn you yesterday? | 19:07 |
| Bovinity | they are tasty sandwiches... | 19:08 |
| greg-g | Bovinity: possibly ;) | 19:08 |
| Bovinity | rejon's word of the day, coup | 19:09 |
| nkinkade | Steren: I think that right now Deeds work differently on staging than on the main site. | 19:09 |
| nkinkade | They are dynamically generated on staging, I believe, but nathany might have more info about that. | 19:09 |
| rejon | I have learned a new word! now if only I can relearn how to read | 19:09 |
| rejon | a book especially | 19:09 |
| Steren | nkinkade: yes, I want to try it with this dynamic generation, before batch html generate all the new deed pages. so is it ok to test it on staging on a6 ? didn't you moved staging to a7 or something ? | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Yes, a7 now houses staging. Do you have an account there? | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | If not, I'll create one. | 19:12 |
| Bovinity | staging on a7.. server makeover sure is confusing. | 19:13 |
| greg-g | food stuff? | 19:14 |
| Steren | nkinkade: I don't have an account, can you create on for me please | 19:14 |
| Steren | nkinkade: that's strange, on a6, staging.creativecommons.org is not marked as "moved on a7" | 19:16 |
| Steren | you know like wiki.creativecommons.org.has.moved.to.a7 | 19:16 |
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| nkinkade | Steren: You've got an account on a7 now, with sudo privs. | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Correct. Everything has moved from a6 to a7. | 19:17 |
| Steren | great thanks | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | Well, everything that was previously on a6 is now on a7. | 19:17 |
| Steren | sudo privs. beware, fear the mad French intern | 19:18 |
| Steren | just kidding :) | 19:18 |
| nkinkade | Well, as you know, a French intern last year made a huge mistake with his sudo privs. ;-) | 19:19 |
| greg-g | he isn't kidding, I saw him cross his fingers! | 19:19 |
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| DanL- | can anyone shoot over examples of creative-commons based mashups? | 19:33 |
| DanL- | that is, mashups of creative commons content | 19:33 |
| Bovinity | anything on ccmixter? | 19:33 |
| Bovinity | girl talk | 19:34 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: varnishd is now built, I think, with debugging enabled. core dumps should end up in /var/lib/varnish/a5.creativecommonsorg/ | 19:51 |
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| paulproteus | Yay! | 20:03 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i just applied that fix to cc.engine | 20:04 |
| nathany | (and it segfaulted again) | 20:04 |
| paulproteus | nathany, woot. | 20:05 |
| paulproteus | What machine and path has the files of cc.engine? | 20:05 |
| nathany | a5 | 20:05 |
| nathany | /var/www/creativecommons.org/cc.engine | 20:06 |
| nathany | (is the running version) | 20:06 |
| nathany | i think i'm going to try my other idea as well right now | 20:06 |
| nathany | (since the wired connection is great) | 20:06 |
| nathany | paulproteus: there are actually TWO erlang tutorials | 20:07 |
| nathany | (both this afternoon) | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | Both at 1:30, eh? | 20:07 |
| nathany | yeah | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | Also, there's an FSF and friends pizza party tonight that Mako invited me to. | 20:07 |
| nathany | one on erlang, one on actors specifically | 20:08 |
| nathany | cool | 20:08 |
| greg-g | recursion++ #because elegant code is a virtue | 20:09 |
| paulproteus | "FSF Members and Friends are Invited!" "Join us for Pizza and Beer on Tuesday, July 22nd, 6:30-9:00" "Old Town Pizza, 226 NW Davis, "just one block from the Old Town Chinatown MAX Station" | 20:10 |
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| rejon | greg-g: can you update your tasks for the week plz | 20:33 |
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| parkerhiggins | hey everybody! another miro chat event starting in a few minutes over at #miro-event. this session's guest is chris from Ancient Places TV, which uses cc licensed music, among other things. check it out! | 20:39 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 21:10 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Nickelodeon Gack | 21:11 |
| nathany | :) | 21:11 |
| nathany | fyi i'm going to meet some friends at 630 | 21:11 |
| nathany | so i guess i'll catch up with you later this evening or tomorrow | 21:11 |
| nathany | i'm in the Actors talk right now, probably going to go back out, plug into the wired ethernet and a) try two more lxml ideas i have and b) work on our slides | 21:12 |
| paulproteus | "Practical Erlang" <http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/3373> seemed interesting. | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | But I think I'll stay here for the rest of the XMPP Summit. | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | Mostly to be able to say goodbye to people at the right time. | 21:14 |
| nathany | yeah, i think i chose incorrectly | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | There's still time. | 21:15 |
| paulproteus | YES! I passed Policies & Procedures in Debian NM. Now on to Tasks and Skills. | 21:17 |
| nathany | lol | 21:19 |
| nathany | it's like a Sally Struthers Correspondence Course | 21:19 |
| paulproteus | This is exciting! | 21:21 |
| paulproteus | Almost exciting enough for me to leave the XMPP room to work on them somewhere quieter. | 21:21 |
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| mlinksva | paulproteus: http://identi.ca/notice/133375 | 21:31 |
| paulproteus | Anyone running software on their own machine in 2008 is either writing their own crack or smoking software. | 21:32 |
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| greg-g | feel that free software in your lungs! | 21:34 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: when i want to do some translation on cc.org, I've got this error chen I try to savemy changes : | 22:34 |
| Steren | UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 13-14: invalid data | 22:34 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Let me take a look. | 22:35 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: am i reading top right on a5 to indicate that varnish has 24GB memory mapped? | 23:06 |
| nathany | (and what would be making mysqld suck 33% of the cpu on that box?) | 23:06 |
| nathany | or is that about normal? (i'm honestly not certain, just seems high) | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | nathany: That's right. | 23:06 |
| nathany | damn | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | You should have seen it one day on a8 ... the VIRT memory size was something like 300G. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | That was before I had put a cap on the mmap-backed file. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | I don't totally understand it, but I don't think it's a problem. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Have you ever seen Pootle spit out a UnicodeDecodeError? | 23:08 |
| nathany | no, but what's the context? | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | Steren noted it earlier, and I'm seeing it too "UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 13-14: invalid data " | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | When attempting to submit a translation or suggestion. | 23:09 |
| nkinkade | I can see the backtrace in the Pootle log, but it's still not clear to me why the problem might be happening. | 23:10 |
| nathany | it can happen if there's asymmetric encoding/decoding (using different codecs)... | 23:11 |
| nathany | not sure why it'd pop up now | 23:11 |
| nathany | is it happening for every suggestion? | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Not sure. I assume so because Steren is getting for the French translations, and I was getting it suggestions on locale "es". | 23:14 |
| nathany | can you email me the traceback? | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | Sent. | 23:15 |
| nkinkade | The problem seems to be rooted in user.py. | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps some junk got into the file when I copied it over from a6. | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | In the users.prefs file, for example. | 23:16 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: i'm not sure... interestingly it looks like the decode error happens when it's trying to send an error message | 23:24 |
| nathany | are the PO files writable and owned by the pootle user ? | 23:24 |
| nathany | (just thinking of the most common error) | 23:24 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Let me check. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | I also just ran this: find po -name "*.po" | xargs file | grep ASCII ... to see if there were any spurious non-UTF files. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | There are some, but they don't seem related to this. | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | nathany: pootle doesn't own the ./po dir, so that could be an issue. | 23:27 |
| nathany | that'd be the first thing i'd try | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: That seems to have been it. | 23:28 |
| nathany | finally, a victory | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | What a screwed up error. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | How in hell do permissions errors turn into UnicodeDecodeErrors? | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | When is Herder ready? | 23:30 |
| nathany | i imagine it turns into an error message which is looked up in a po which (possibly) triggers another error which can't be encoded? | 23:31 |
| nathany | no idea | 23:31 |
| nathany | seems insane | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | Errors within the errors. That's good error handling for you. | 23:32 |
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| nkinkade | I've been waiting patiently for hours for Varnish to segfault, but nothing. | 23:33 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to figure out how to get core dumps from Zope, because we won't have to wait long for those, and I hope that they are all related. | 23:34 |
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