Thursday, 2008-07-24

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nathany_paulproteus: SYN00:08
paulproteusnathany_, ACK00:08
nathany_what's the URL for the cc deb repository?00:08
nathany_(or better, what's the deb line)00:09
nathany_the connection to wiki.cc.org is a trickle00:09
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paulproteushttp://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/06/16/liblicense-packages-for-ubuntu-and-debian/ +     deb http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/packages hardy main00:09
nathany_thanks00:10
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nathanypaulproteus: does ll_read auto-magically choose the IO module to use?00:41
nathanyalso, i forget -- do we allow any predicate to be passed to ll_read?00:41
paulproteusnathany, We allow any but we don't handle anything but the ones named with LL_*.00:41
paulproteusIt detects based on file extension.00:42
nathanyok00:42
nathanyare those exposed to the Python API?00:43
paulproteusEr, no.00:43
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nathanysigh... ok00:43
paulproteusMaybe?00:44
paulproteusYes, in git.00:44
paulproteusI could ship 0.7.1 with the bugfix and Python binding enhancements.00:44
paulproteusIn 0.7.0, ll_read took only the filename.00:44
nathanyand 0.7.0 is what's in the repository?00:45
paulproteus(in Python)00:45
paulproteusYa00:45
paulproteusAlso the latest release.00:45
nathanygot it00:45
paulproteusThis presenter is SO AWESOME.00:45
paulproteusIn the animation one.00:45
nathanyare you being sarcastic?00:45
paulproteusNo!00:45
paulproteusShe's so excited!00:45
paulproteusIt's totally awesome.00:45
nathany(mine is... enthusiastic, but i'm bored)00:45
nathanyso have you touched the rhythmbox stuff yet?00:46
paulproteuslol no00:46
paulproteusGood thing I have no plans tonight.00:46
nathanyyeah, i was afraid of that00:46
paulproteusI have two plans tomorrow evening.00:47
nathany:)00:47
paulproteusNo, )-: !00:47
paulproteusSince they're at the same time.00:47
paulproteusOne with a well-known Free Software promotion group, and the other with a well-known web advertising company.00:48
nathanypaulproteus: so what's the timeframe for an 0.7.1 deb with the bug fix?00:49
nathanyi can work around the lack of constants in python for now00:50
paulproteusDepends; original timeframe was going to be Tuesday.00:50
paulproteusIf you ask for it I could have it by 8 tonight or something.00:50
nathanynevermind, i'll work around the limitations that exist now00:50
nathanywe care about license primarily, so that's what we'll demo00:51
paulproteusFWIW my Python demos will use the full set anyway.00:52
paulproteusSo we'll see, maybe I'll just ship it anyway.00:52
nkinkadepaulproteus: Just to be sure, and one last question on it, did you feel that my additions to debian/rules should have been okay to get the correct configure arguments into the build?00:53
paulproteusnkinkade, Yes.00:53
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nkinkadeI'm on #varnish and phk responded, but I was away, and now it seems he's gone.  I just sent an email to varnish-misc.00:54
* paulproteus nods00:54
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Ah, I just looked in configure.log and see that it reflect those arguments.  Good.00:55
nkinkadeJust wanted to make sure of that before I make an ass of myself on the varnish-misc list, and also #varnish00:55
paulproteusnkinkade, FWIW you can also watch the build process to make sure it did what you wanted.00:57
nkinkadeGood to know.  I saw lots of stuff fly by, but didn't try to scroll back. :-)00:58
nkinkadeWhat I didn't mention on the varnish-misc list was that other things are segfaulting, too.  I guess there point here is just getting _a_ core dump from something, and it might as well be Varnish.00:59
paulproteusHeh.00:59
nkinkadeBut paulproteus, I do feel a tad self conscious about the fact that you converted a8 and there is no problem, and I did a5 and a7 and there are problems. :-/00:59
paulproteusOh, interesting.01:00
nkinkadeDon't think I didn't take not of that fact. :-)01:00
nkinkades/not/note/01:00
nkinkadeBut the steps I took are outline meticulously on the labs blog.01:00
nkinkadeGood lord: s/outline/outlined/01:00
paulproteuss/lord/Lord/01:01
nkinkadeMy typing skills are hopeless.01:01
nkinkade:-)01:01
nkinkadepaulproteus: One thing of interest, possibly, is that I did that dpkg purge --force-depends gcc on both those machines.01:02
* paulproteus shrugs01:02
nkinkadeNot because gcc wasn't installed, but because the symlinks in /usr/bin/ weren't all there.01:02
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paulproteusYup, I did that too.01:02
nkinkadeIt occurred to me last night that all these problems seem to be with things that rely on the C compiler in some way.01:02
nkinkadevarnish, cgit ...01:03
nkinkadeand you though that runzope segfaulting had to do with some module based on C, though I don't know that it was compiled on a7.01:03
paulproteusbuildout compiles it.01:03
nathanynkinkade: and a clean checkout is still screwy01:05
nathanypaulproteus: if liblicense can't find a license, does it return None?01:06
paulproteusnathany, I think so.01:06
paulproteusnathany, Where are you now?01:06
paulproteusOSCON's over for the day, after all.01:06
paulproteusHave any evening plans?01:06
nathanyour session is still wrapping up01:06
paulproteusOh, okay.01:06
nathanyno plans beyond finishing my web app demo01:06
nathanyworking on slides01:07
nkinkadeWell, we'll see if anyone on the varnish-misc can help me get a core dump from Varnish.01:07
nathanywhere are you paulproteus?01:07
nathanywe just finished01:07
nkinkadeI suspect that will be useful in getting to the bottom of this.01:07
nkinkadeI'm off for the evening.  Hope you guys are enjoying Portland.01:07
paulproteusnkinkade, Thanks!01:07
paulproteusFeel free to suggest how we can enjoy it more. (-:01:07
nkinkadeI've got lots of suggestions depending on whether you've got transportation.01:08
paulproteusI will this weekend.01:08
nkinkadeInside the city, Mount Tabor in SE Portland would be a great bike ride.01:08
paulproteusFeel free to email if that's better.01:08
nkinkadeI'll email something to you guys later tonight or tomorrow.01:09
nathanypaulproteus: i'm heading towards the registration area; where are you now?\01:09
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nathanypaulproteus: i'm going to get up, call my cell if you need to find me01:11
paulproteusnathany, er, wait01:11
paulproteusOkay, fine, I'll do that.01:11
paulproteusunwait01:11
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nathanypaulproteus: you can check out liblicense_pylons_demo.git for tomorrows webapp demo04:14
paulproteusSuper rad.04:15
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idocute gay boys ++04:23
idoFAIL04:24
idocutegayboys++04:24
idoFAIL again04:24
ido:P04:24
davidstrauss?karma cute gay boys04:24
davidstraussmaybe it has to be one word04:24
davidstraussthere's no feedback on the ++ or --04:24
davidstrauss?karma cutegayboys04:24
davidstrausswhere is jibot?04:24
davidstrausscurrybot is also awol04:25
idojibot is dead.  long live jibot!04:25
davidstrausspaulproteus: what happened to jibot?04:25
paulproteusdavidstrauss, Er, I dunno.04:25
davidstrausspaulproteus: same story for the currybot?04:26
davidstraussand unclejoe is gone from #mansueto04:27
davidstraussi'm experiencing bot deprivation04:27
* davidstrauss is glad druplicon is around04:28
idowhoa04:28
idomansueto has their own freenode channel?04:28
davidstraussyes04:28
paulproteus*sniffle*04:32
davidstrausspaulproteus: do you have the sniffles?04:32
paulproteusJust missing jibot.04:32
davidstraussI know currybot was online earlier today04:37
davidstraussShannon from my company was playing with it/her/him04:37
idoShannon capacity04:40
paulproteusnathany, http://lolcocks.com/04:43
idolol04:43
idowhat about it?04:43
paulproteusJust like the site.04:43
idolol04:43
idoit's actually going to become a much better site soon04:43
idowe're working on it04:44
nathanyA++ great shipping would buy again04:44
idoif i uncloaked you'd notice that i'm actually irssi'd in from the web server :P04:44
idowhois paulproteus04:44
idohowever, if anyone here would like early access to lolcocks.com, you are of course welcome to it for providing such a great service. :)04:47
idoto the world04:47
paulproteusido, I actually noticed that anyway.04:47
nathany:)04:47
idocurrent services i've got running are web, email forwarding, and jabber (openfire). :P04:47
paulproteusDear Nathan Yergler,05:10
paulproteushttp://www.slowwave.com/index.php?date=08-05-1705:10
paulproteusSincerely,05:10
paulproteusAsheesh.05:10
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mlinksvapaulproteus, that's hilarious05:45
paulproteusDear Catastrophe Waitress.05:47
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DanL-CC should have location-based chapters14:24
* DanL- concludes.14:24
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paulproteusnkinkade, Morning.16:31
nkinkadepaulproteus: Hola.16:31
nkinkadeThat's fairly terse for a former prescriptive grammarian. ;-)16:32
paulproteusThat's one of the benefits of the "former"!16:32
nkinkadehaha16:32
paulproteusDoes http://search.cpan.org/dist/Debug-FaultAutoBT/FaultAutoBT.pm seem useful?16:35
paulproteusI can't tell if it's only for Perl code or can be used for child processes.16:35
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Yeah, I'm not sure.  I have this suspicion that it wouldn't work for varnishd because the problem is in the children, as you say.16:38
nkinkadevarnishd usually sits there happily forking children when the old ones die.16:38
nkinkadeBut sometimes even the varnishd gets wedged lately.16:39
nkinkadeBut I'm not aware that it segfaults, just that it stops working, whatever that might mean.16:39
* paulproteus nods16:39
paulproteusThat's what's not supposed to happen on amd64.  Hmph.16:39
paulproteusAnd even doesn't happen on that other machine.16:40
nkinkadeThat's true, but I'm also aware that the nature of the traffic on a8 is very different ... a handful of tiny images, no MySQL, no Zope, no cgit, no code repositories that get crawled.16:41
* paulproteus nods16:41
paulproteusA different world.16:41
nkinkadeAn interesting experiment here would be to move creativecommons.org and code.(cc).org to a8 and see what happens.16:42
nkinkadeNot that I'm going to do that, though.16:42
nkinkadeFor now I'm going to follow Poul-Henning Kamp's advice and try the HEAD of trunk on a7.16:43
nkinkadeIf it gets worse then I'll just reinstall the 1.1.2 packages that we are currently using.16:43
nkinkadeThere was also another tidbit he gave in that email:  "I belive this message means that you run out of workspace somewhere, but I can't remember the details for 1.1.2 any more. ... Try increasing the session workspace by a couple of kilobytes and see if that cures it."16:44
nkinkade^^^ Regarding the ">Child said (2, 13865): <<flunk 8192 494" messages16:44
nkinkadeThough I think those are distinct from the segfaults, more a performance tuning issue.16:45
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* paulproteus nods16:46
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Is there Debian meta-package that will pull in everything you need to run dpkg-buildpackage?16:49
nkinkadeI recall there was something like it, but I can't remember what it was called now.16:49
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paulproteusnkinkade, build-essential ?16:50
paulproteusThat's the one you're looking for I think.16:50
nkinkadeAh, that sounds familar.  At the very least automake is missing.16:50
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nkinkadebuild-essential was installed, but apparently that doesn't pull in automake.16:51
paulproteusapt-get build-dep varnish16:52
paulproteusEach package has different build-dependencies beyond build-essential.16:52
nkinkadeOh, wait, automake *is* installed, but I just hit another one of those missing symlinks16:52
nkinkadeWhy are those not getting recreated by apt-get dselect upgrade?16:52
nkinkadeDoes it have to do with the fact that I copied /etc over wholesale and that botched dpkg when it found existing symlinks in /etc/alternatives?16:53
nathanynkinkade: has apache segfaulted or is it just varnish and zope?16:55
nkinkadenathany: I haven't seen any indication that Apache has segfaulted.16:56
nathanyso its just zope and varnish?16:56
nkinkadeBut runzope, server, cgit and varnishd are all segfaulting.16:56
nathany(just for my clarity)16:56
nathanythanks16:56
paulproteus"server"?16:56
nkinkade"server" is some Zope process.16:56
nkinkadeI believe.16:57
paulproteusOkay.16:57
nkinkadeIt's got a really intuitive name, fortunately.16:57
nathanyactually server is the metadata scraper16:59
nathanyinteresting...17:00
nathanythat's not zope, but CherryPy17:00
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nkinkadeOkay, that's for that clarification.  So, sadly, Zope, CherryPy, Varnish, and cgit are all segfaulting and on 2 different machines.17:06
paulproteusThat's pretty lame.17:07
nkinkadeIt seems clear that this is either a problem with Debian amd64, or the manner in which we upgraded those machines.  I feel like the latter is much more likely.17:07
* paulproteus nods17:07
nathanyI concur -- I mean, I want to believe it's something else, but I think we need to focus on the most likely candidate first17:07
nkinkadeI wouldn't be surprised to find that the issue is one that can be correct with a couple simple commands, and wah-lah.17:07
nathany(just realizing cherrypy uses lxml as well sent me into that idea again, but...)17:07
nkinkadeOkay, let me get back to building trunk-Varnish with debugging  on a7, and we'll see where that takes us.  Meanwhile, I'll finish cleaning off a6 so that we can move forward with nathany's  plan to have Server Beach do a clean install of amd64.17:09
nkinkadepaulproteus: Just out of curiosity, do you happen to know what dpkg will do when it goes to install something and finds existing files where it intended to install things?17:12
nkinkadeWill it skip over them, or does it always warn you?17:12
nkinkadeI know I get warned sometimes.17:12
nkinkadeI wonder if that would explain why lots of links are missing in /usr/bin that would normally get created.17:13
paulproteusnkinkade, It will abort and not finish installing the thing.17:13
paulproteusMissing symlinks should not cause segfaults.17:13
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paulproteusI really really just want core dumps.17:13
paulproteusAnyway.17:13
paulproteusHi stevel!17:13
stevelhey paulproteus!17:13
nkinkadeI'm not suggesting they are causing segfaults.  I'm just curious as to why "apt-get dselect upgrade" didn't created them.17:13
stevelwas your talk @ 16:00 or 16:30?17:13
steveljust trying to figure out my schedule for today17:13
paulproteushttp://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/schedule/detail/2857 says 16:3017:14
paulproteusAnd I fixed those bugs so I don't have to cook the demo, yay.17:14
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stevelpaulproteus: awesome :) looking forward to it17:20
mecredispaulproteus: you need someone to ghost write you a bio17:30
paulproteusApparently.17:34
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tim_hwangcurrybot list17:55
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tim_hwangcurrybot list17:55
currybot(1) ALLO MATTAR MASALA (White potatoes and English peas cooked in a curry of cumin seeds and tomatoes)17:55
currybot(2) THENGAI USLI (Mixed vegetables prepared in tomato, onions, ginger and coconut curry)17:55
currybot(3) TULSI MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a basil leaves curry sauce)17:55
currybot(4) KALI MIRCHI KA MEATBALL (Beef Meatballs cooked in curry flavored with black pepper)17:55
ftobiasorry bout that.17:55
tim_hwangthanks ftobia17:55
ftobiacurrybot: 117:56
currybotALLO MATTAR MASALA (White potatoes and English peas cooked in a curry of cumin seeds and tomatoes) Aloo Mattar, probably the most popular curry found in all over India. We first cook the gravy of red onions, ginger, garlic, and the ripped tomatoes and add roasted cumin to the gravy and add potatoes and peas and cook them till the potatoes are cooked.17:56
currybot$5.0017:56
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greg-ghad that yesterday from the quote/unquote real menu17:57
greg-g'twas good17:57
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Bovinitylorks.18:01
Bovinityis it goign to do that for the next hour, again?18:01
nkinkadepaulproteus: nathany: Just FYI, Varnish 2.0 from the HEAD of trunk is currently running on a7.  I'm monitoring /var/log/kern.log for segfaults from cgit and varnishd.18:03
nathanynkinkade: great18:03
nkinkadeI don't have high hopes that it'll really change anything, but in any case it might be a better version of Varnish than we were using before.18:04
nathanyok18:05
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paulproteusnkinkade, Super rad.18:11
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* nkinkade reminds himself that "telinit 1" over an SSH connection can never have good results.18:18
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* ankitg looks around for paulproteus ...18:25
paulproteusankitg, Yo.18:26
paulproteusIn Portland, what's up?18:26
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ankitgpaulproteus: ah, after looking for the search engine logs [for the purpose of extracting search engine, query, search parameters etc],  I finally found them "but!" there only seem to be 19 of them ... mainly from Aug 2007 ... am I missing something? [these are located in var/log/apache/a2/search-access_log-$DATESTAMP.gz]18:34
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ankitghmmm, Portland, of course, OSCON! =)18:35
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paulproteusThat's odd.18:39
nkinkadeankitg: Do you mean on S3?18:40
ankitgpaulproteus: well, if you're busy, nothing to worry about ... we can look into this once you're back ... I'll continue with my efforts to get gcc on the mac [the horror! It doesn't come with the OS!] ... it comes as a part of dev tools that expects me to install 2 GB of stuff O_o ... anyways, I'll continue breaking my head on that, so I can get the GeoIP module running ... till then, have fun in Portland! (-:18:41
nkinkadeIf so, then that would probably be right, because we decommissioned a2 around that time, and so there would only be a few logs up there.18:41
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nathanypaulproteus: SYN18:46
ankitgnkinkade: yes, on S3 ...18:49
ankitgokie ... just wanted make sure ... thx nkinkade18:49
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Sterencurrybot: list18:55
currybot(1) ALLO MATTAR MASALA (White potatoes and English peas cooked in a curry of cumin seeds and tomatoes)18:55
currybot(2) THENGAI USLI (Mixed vegetables prepared in tomato, onions, ginger and coconut curry)18:55
currybot(3) TULSI MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a basil leaves curry sauce)18:55
currybot(4) KALI MIRCHI KA MEATBALL (Beef Meatballs cooked in curry flavored with black pepper)18:55
nathanyman, i miss curry18:55
nathanyand number one is f'in awesome18:55
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paulproteusnathany, ACK19:01
paulproteusThi spresentation is awesome.19:01
paulproteusankitg, Sorry, I fell offline.19:02
nathanywhich one are you in?19:02
ankitgpaulproteus: NP, query answered by n_kinkade ... have fun @ OSCON. (-:19:08
paulproteusGreat (-:19:08
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ftobiacurrybot: list19:29
currybot(1) ALLO MATTAR MASALA (White potatoes and English peas cooked in a curry of cumin seeds and tomatoes)19:29
currybot(2) THENGAI USLI (Mixed vegetables prepared in tomato, onions, ginger and coconut curry)19:29
currybot(3) TULSI MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a basil leaves curry sauce)19:29
currybot(4) KALI MIRCHI KA MEATBALL (Beef Meatballs cooked in curry flavored with black pepper)19:29
ftobiacurrybot: 119:30
currybotALLO MATTAR MASALA (White potatoes and English peas cooked in a curry of cumin seeds and tomatoes) Aloo Mattar, probably the most popular curry found in all over India. We first cook the gravy of red onions, ginger, garlic, and the ripped tomatoes and add roasted cumin to the gravy and add potatoes and peas and cook them till the potatoes are cooked.19:30
currybot$5.0019:30
mlinksvais anyone going for curry?19:30
mlinksvawait, i think i smell curry19:31
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nathanypaulproteus: can we *decrement* the version number of liblicense? this is embarassing21:02
paulproteusHuh?21:02
paulproteusWhat is?21:02
paulproteusAlso, probably no.21:02
nathanyright, i was just venting21:02
nathanyit appears to use the wrong predicate for the license property21:02
paulproteusReally?  That's bizarre.21:03
nathany(and my stamping code doesn't work, but i'm not sure that's ll's fault yet)21:03
nathanyhttp://cc.org/ns#License is not an attribute -- it's a type21:03
nathanycc.org/ns#license is an attribute21:03
paulproteusBuh21:03
paulproteusOh noes.21:03
* paulproteus groans21:03
nathanyyeah21:03
paulproteusThat's somewhat horrifying.21:03
nathanyi almost want to do a talk about not doing prospective development21:04
paulproteusI only say somewhat to hide my horror.21:04
nathanyso i'm going to try and figure out why my image embedding thing doesn't work21:05
paulproteusFile a Teamspace task about ns#License vs. ns#license if you like.21:05
nathanypaulproteus: is there a way to make the command line tool be more verbose about why it's refusing to write the license to a file?21:08
paulproteusnathany, No.21:08
nathany#&*@*(#(@$&@$$21:08
paulproteusWant help of some kind?21:09
nathanyi think i tracked it down -- i didn't have libexempi-dev on my machien21:11
paulproteusOh, okay.21:11
paulproteusapt-get build-dep liblicense21:11
paulproteus# for the future21:11
paulproteusSorry I didn't make sure you did that before.21:11
nathanypaulproteus: np21:13
nathanyof course now it segfaults when i try to get the license back out of the image21:13
paulproteusI hate to do this, but what's the stacktrace?21:14
nkinkadenathany: you running amd64 nowadays?21:14
paulproteusHeh, zing.21:14
nathanypaulproteus: where do i find that?21:14
paulproteusRun "gdb python" instead of "python" and then at the SIGSEGV type bt.21:14
nathanyor gdb license?21:14
paulproteusSure.21:15
nathanypaulproteus: how do i pass command line parameters in?21:16
paulproteusset args I --hate C21:16
paulproteusThen "run"21:16
nathanythe set is within gdb?21:16
paulproteusYa21:17
nathany#0  0xb7e25d28 in strcmp () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.621:17
nathany#1  0xb7f20ebb in ll_list_mode (list=0x805e3e4, ignore=0xb7f27524 "")21:17
nathany    at list.c:9221:17
nathany#2  0xb7f21c4a in ll_module_read (21:17
nathany    infile=0xbf9db6ed "/home/nathan/Desktop/test.JPG",21:17
nathany    predicate=0x8049b18 "http://creativecommons.org/ns#License",21:17
nathany    requested_module_name=0x0) at read_license.c:7221:17
nathany#3  0xb7f21ca8 in ll_read (infile=0xbf9db6ed "/home/nathan/Desktop/test.JPG",21:17
nathany    predicate=0x8049b18 "http://creativecommons.org/ns#License")21:17
nathany    at read_license.c:3621:17
nathany#4  0x08048fa9 in main (argc=Cannot access memory at address 0x800000021:17
nathany) at license.c:31521:17
paulproteusOh suck.21:17
nathanysuck as in...?21:18
paulproteusAs in, I'm passing bad arguments to strcmp, that's bad news.21:18
paulproteusUm, well.21:19
nathanyso presumably the EOG plugin will have this problem, too, righ?21:20
nathanyright21:20
paulproteusEr, yeah, sure.21:20
paulproteusEmail me the file?21:20
paulproteusOr try a different one?21:20
nathanyit segfaults on the one i set up yesterday, too21:21
paulproteusGive it me.21:21
nathanysent21:22
nathanywhere are you located now?21:22
nathany(in a talk?)21:22
paulproteusUsual place with desks.21:22
paulproteusNo talk.21:22
nathanyok, i'll see you shortly21:22
paulproteusnathany, No segfault for me!21:23
paulproteusSucka.21:23
paulproteus/tmp/test.JPG has license of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/21:23
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mecredisWP is acting funny ..21:46
mecredishttp://creativecommons.org/wp-admin/21:46
greg-git wasn't connection for me for a bit there.  workikng now21:56
greg-gs/connection/connecting/21:56
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nkinkadenathany: paulproteus: Since everything seemed to go okay on a7, I just installed the 2.0 build of Varnish on a5.  According to Poul-Henning, it's much better.  If something crops up that is a major problem then just reinstall the old versions located at a5:/root/varnish (the current ones are at a5:/root/varnish_HEAD22:14
nkinkadeThere hasn't been a segfault on a7 since earlier today when I upgraded Varnish.  We'll know if it makes any difference at all on a5 within, say, 30 minutes maximum.22:15
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nathanynkinkade: sweet22:20
paulproteusnkinkade, Cool22:20
nkinkadeNevermind, runzope has already segfaulted 3 times since I wrote that last message.22:23
nathanysigh22:23
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ftobiankinkade: do i have an account at labs.cc.org? i had a techblog account, but now that they're the same thing i'm not so sure.23:08
nkinkadeftobia: They are the same install, so your old account should still be there.23:10
ftobiais there any way you can tell me my username?23:15
greg-gnot in your gmail archive? ( nkinkade's original "here is your username/pass" email)23:15
nkinkadeftobia: It should be "frank"23:16
nkinkadeftobia: It is "frank"23:17
ftobiathat did it. thanks.23:19
ftobiai had like three password resets in my gmail archive. bah.23:19
greg-gftobia: may I recommend Revelation, a simple "apt-get install" away, and it encrypts a user/pass list for you23:22
greg-g;)23:22
greg-g(and it can integrate with your gnome toolbar23:23
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