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| greg-g | "your enemies are everywhere in the form of cats" - Tim | 00:07 |
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| mattl | paulproteus: ping | 01:30 |
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| rejon | mattl: what | 01:43 |
| rejon | is up | 01:43 |
| mattl | rejon: if you want to go and sign it, autonomo.us is allowing signs again | 01:47 |
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| rejon | cool...i can sign as myself and not cc | 01:54 |
| rejon | http://btjunkie.org/search?q=renderman | 01:54 |
| mattl | right. | 01:56 |
| mattl | yeah, i don't think you should sign as cc ;) | 01:56 |
| mattl | rejon: i think it takes a little more than just having the software to make the next toy story, sadly. | 01:57 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 02:11 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 02:16 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 06:06 |
| jgay | paulproteus: is the ODEPO community close with TERC? | 06:06 |
| jgay | paulproteus: because it would seem that direct integration with things like mspnet.org to both your searching ability as well as general data exchange would be extremely useful. | 06:07 |
| jgay | where do I put these ideas down again? The ODEPO web page doesn't direct me toward it. | 06:19 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 09:24 |
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| jibot | nathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat | 14:33 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 14:54 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | Morning, mlinksva et al. | 15:10 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: morning | 15:19 |
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| nathany | morning, paulproteus | 15:34 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:11 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: do you prefer #netservices #autonomous or #autonomo.us ? whichever has most end of the day will be the channel i think | 16:24 |
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| greg-g | :honk: | 16:34 |
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| Steren | nathany: when I run the "buildout", I've got this error : "No module named schemaless", is it familiar to you ? | 16:38 |
| nathany | Steren: ugh | 16:38 |
| nathany | no | 16:38 |
| Steren | https://bugs.launchpad.net/zc.buildout/+bug/133462 | 16:39 |
| nathany | trying adding -v to the buildout and see if you can track down where the failure is happening | 16:39 |
| nathany | oh | 16:39 |
| nathany | (looking) | 16:39 |
| nathany | Steren: if you run python can you do "import ZConfig" without errors? | 16:40 |
| Steren | nathany: ImportError: No module named ZConfig | 16:41 |
| nathany | hrm | 16:41 |
| nathany | let me finish this email and i'll come in there | 16:42 |
| Steren | ok | 16:42 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 and legal intern at CC | 16:43 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:54 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, #autonomous | 17:06 |
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| Steren | nathany: I only have to run this : "./bin/buildout -c dev.buildout.cfg -N" but I get : ImportError: No module named zc.buildout.buildout | 17:22 |
| nathany | oh | 17:22 |
| nathany | do python2.4 bootstrap/bootstrap.py again | 17:22 |
| Steren | nathany: ok, I now get an error similar to our first one : zc.buildout recipe entry zc.zope3recipes:instance. No module named schemaless | 17:24 |
| Steren | 17:24 | |
| nathany | sigh | 17:25 |
| nathany | let me try it on my machine | 17:25 |
| nathany | Steren: what version of buildout do you have? | 17:34 |
| nathany | (look @ the egg filename) | 17:34 |
| Steren | seams tro be 3.4 | 17:35 |
| Steren | 3.4.0 | 17:35 |
| egg | :-) | 17:35 |
| rejon | greg-g: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Press_Release_Procedure | 17:36 |
| nathany | Steren: i mean the version for zc.buildout | 17:36 |
| nathany | so in eggs you should have zc.buildout-xxx (where xxx is the version) | 17:36 |
| Steren | yes, there are 2 files like this | 17:37 |
| Steren | 1.0.0 and 1.0.6 | 17:37 |
| * egg loves this channel, there are so many eggs here... | 17:39 | |
| nathany | Steren: I'm trying a clean checkout on my laptop... | 17:41 |
| Steren | yes, you may have the same error | 17:43 |
| nathany | hopefully :) | 17:44 |
| nathany | Steren: unfortunately it looks like i get further in the process | 17:46 |
| nathany | so this seems to indicate that there's something getting polluted in your python path | 17:46 |
| nathany | (I use a non-system python for development) | 17:46 |
| Steren | I think so | 17:46 |
| nathany | so here's my suggestion: | 17:47 |
| nathany | * download the python2.4 source tarball | 17:47 |
| nathany | * build it in a "local" space | 17:47 |
| nathany | (--prefix=~/CreativeCommons/ or something | 17:47 |
| nathany | * do a clean checkout of cc.engine/trunk | 17:47 |
| nathany | * run bootstrap using the new Python binary ~/CreativeCommons/bin/python bootstrap/bootstrap.py | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Anything I can help with? | 17:48 |
| nathany | and then buildout | 17:48 |
| Steren | ok | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Do you have the PYTHONPATH variable set? What does echo $PYTHONPATH say? | 17:48 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i don't think so; he gets a buildout error when attempting to build cc.engine using the system python | 17:48 |
| nathany | it's not set | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Super awesome. | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | I'll let you two deal with this. | 17:49 |
| nathany | basically it works perfect for me with a custom python | 17:49 |
| nathany | not for him with system python | 17:49 |
| nathany | seems like path leakage | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: MIght you have a second to chat about SMW and RDFa? | 17:49 |
| nathany | sure | 17:49 |
| nathany | voice? | 17:49 |
| paulproteus | I just updated the liblicense Python bindings so that they can display other metadata than just LL_LICENSE. | 17:49 |
| nathany | great | 17:50 |
| paulproteus | Unfortunately for some reason this PNG I licensed thinks its web statement is http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/. | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Voice would be easiest, since there's also some code and an email that I'd like to cover. | 17:50 |
| paulproteus | Same with its morePermissions thing. | 17:50 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i just had this fear -- are we replicating an existing python binding for libxmp? | 17:50 |
| paulproteus | nathany, We're not *replacing* it. | 17:50 |
| paulproteus | Oh, you wrote replicating. | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | Good thing I can read. | 17:51 |
| nathany | right | 17:51 |
| nathany | :) | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | There *is* an existing XMP binding. | 17:51 |
| nathany | i guess we're just pulling things up one level and abstracting further for non-XMP supporting formats | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | We could use that. For non-XMP formats we'd want liblicense anyway. | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | i.e. JPG | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | (PNG is XMP iirc) | 17:51 |
| nathany | ?? JPG should be XMP, too, right? | 17:51 |
| paulproteus | Probably, I don't actually remember. | 17:52 |
| nathany | say, ODF :) | 17:52 |
| nathany | (or OGG) | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | Right - but FWIW, few EOG files are going to not be XMP. | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | This did occur to me. | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | (...any?) | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | Oh, right, I remember now. | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | EOG hard-codes which XMP metadata attributes it pulls out. | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | Which predicates. | 17:52 |
| nathany | ok | 17:52 |
| paulproteus | We could submit a patch and have it pull out ours too, though. | 17:53 |
| nathany | true | 17:53 |
| nathany | i think i'm going to be uncomfortable with liblicense until someone actually uses it | 17:54 |
| paulproteus | I think that's reasonable. | 17:54 |
| nathany | it's like i'm having flashbacks from last summer | 17:54 |
| Bovinity | neat, wordpress 2.6 supports image captions. easy attribution, here we come! | 17:54 |
| paulproteus | If you want me to work on something else, let me know... | 17:56 |
| paulproteus | e.g., rhythmbox (we promised those two, right?) | 17:58 |
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| rejon | steren: where is the email associated with tasks at? | 18:09 |
| Steren | what do you mean ? | 18:10 |
| Bovinity | where is currybot and why isn't he here | 18:10 |
| Steren | Bovinity: currbot is working from home today | 18:10 |
| Bovinity | shucks | 18:11 |
| Steren | rejon: what do you mean ? | 18:11 |
| rejon | how do tasks know to send to jon@creativecommons.org | 18:11 |
| rejon | or thwang@ | 18:11 |
| rejon | etc | 18:11 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: I sent you two emails with requests, do you prefer me to create teamspace tasks? I'm not your boss so I assigning tasks to you is, well, your call. | 18:13 |
| Steren | these email adresses are in your MEdiaWiki user account | 18:13 |
| Bovinity | because tasks are assigned to a user, and a given user has an email address on their account? surely? | 18:13 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, I'm somewhat groggy so I'm not handling much email. | 18:13 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: so create tasks and you can do what you want with them when you de-grogify? | 18:14 |
| Steren | Bovinity: rejon: yes user have emails, sosending emails to users is easy | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | Sure, that makes sense. | 18:14 |
| rejon | ok | 18:14 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 18:14 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: /me nods | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Hi? | 18:15 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: Hi! | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | What's up? Need anything from me? | 18:16 |
| ankitg | not at the moment, thanks (-: | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | Cool. (-: | 18:16 |
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| ankitg | will look into EC2 once all the python is nicely done ... | 18:17 |
| paulproteus | Oh, you wanted review of your Python, right? | 18:18 |
| ankitg | oh noes! | 18:18 |
| ankitg | You could upload the text files for the time-series data ... would give me something to work on if I get tired of python ... | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | So far it doesn't look too bad. | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | For one thing, though, don't call them .txt, call them .py. | 18:18 |
| paulproteus | Use "git mv" to rename. | 18:18 |
| ankitg | heh they are still chunks of code, note really deserving a .py status, but will do. | 18:19 |
| ankitg | *s/note/not | 18:20 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I think it just occurred to me what David means by breakage .and fragile. | 18:31 |
| nathany | what's that? | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | I believe his array rdfaLinks is just an regular list, and the assumption is that the link array element position will be the same in his array as in the resulting text that get parsed by MW. | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | So, if another extension adds a link, then everything gets offset. | 18:32 |
| nathany | oh, absolutely right | 18:32 |
| nathany | ok, that sucks | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | That may not be right, but would explain why he is setting rdfaLinks[] = false. | 18:32 |
| nathany | no, i think that's right on | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | And why that statement makes any sense. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | Okay, now that I've got a better handle on this I'll be able to make a more cogent reply. | 18:33 |
| Steren | nathany: ok everything is working now with Python 2.4 from sources | 18:34 |
| Steren | thanks a lot | 18:34 |
| nathany | Steren: great | 18:34 |
| nathany | sorry about all the hassel | 18:34 |
| nathany | hassle, that is | 18:34 |
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| nkinkade | Or, nathany, were you *actually* referring to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82-FJyniP7A ? | 18:38 |
| nathany | lol | 18:39 |
| nathany | nice | 18:39 |
| ftobia | nathany: so i sent out an email yesterday, but apparently it was from the wrong address; i was working from home this morning so i could pick up my sister at the airport, and i'll be in the office later on today for standup. | 18:40 |
| nathany | ok | 18:40 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, SYN | 18:48 |
| nathany | ACK | 18:48 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ^^ | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | nathany, OSCON demo is rhythmbox + eog? | 18:49 |
| nathany | hopefully | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | Priority for the (rest of) the day is eog demo + adding the icon metadata to the separate RDF file as discussed last week and making sure we ship all the appropriate icons in liblicense-icons. | 18:50 |
| nathany | ok | 18:51 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 18:51 |
| nathany | note that i'd probably put packaging after getting the demos working | 18:52 |
| nathany | fwiw | 18:52 |
| nathany | btw, have you looked at the rhythmbox stuff yet? | 18:52 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I just meant "ship all the appropriate icons in the liblicense repository". | 18:52 |
| paulproteus | I wasn't even thinking of the real Debian package. | 18:52 |
| paulproteus | re: rhythmbox: No. | 18:52 |
| nathany | ok | 18:52 |
| nathany | got it | 18:52 |
| paulproteus | However, Python plugins are way better-supported there, so I'm less afraid. | 18:53 |
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| nathany | is the code for EOG in git or svn yet? | 18:55 |
| nathany | (i'm wondering if we'll be able to re-use some of the gtk stuff | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you want that forward of public_html to be in the labs vhost? | 18:57 |
| nathany | mmm... many expensive masala | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Ya! | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, It's in a local git repo on my desktop. | 18:57 |
| paulproteus | I'm about to push it (in all its junky form) to CC git. | 18:58 |
| nathany | paulproteus: cool; no hurry, i thought i might look at it tonite | 18:58 |
| * paulproteus nods | 18:58 | |
| nathany | so before EOB is fine by me | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | pine nuts paste, huh. that's new. | 18:58 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: It should be working now. I just uncommented the old line. | 18:59 |
| greg-g | umm, as currybot is gone, what is the website of curry ina hurry? | 19:00 |
| * greg-g 's only experience with the curry info has been through currybot | 19:00 | |
| nathany | http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuTakeOut.htm | 19:01 |
| greg-g | ty | 19:01 |
| nathany | Bovinity: i think we've had pine nut paste before... iirc i dig it | 19:01 |
| greg-g | food stuffs? | 19:10 |
| nathany | 5 min? | 19:11 |
| * greg-g nods | 19:11 | |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: APC! | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Hi! | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | What about 't? | 19:14 |
| nkinkade | It didn't get reinstalled on a8. | 19:14 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, tee-hee. | 19:15 |
| nkinkade | And neither was it on a5, but now it's on both (again) | 19:15 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: http://creativecommons.org/apc.php | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | I didn't know that that was available. | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | New URL: http://a5.creativecommons.org:8080/apache2-default/apc.php | 19:21 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: if you are still around, just out of curiosity / to be sure, after looking for the search engine logs [for the purpose of extracting search engine, query, search parameters etc], I finally found them but there only seem to be 19 of them ... mainly from Aug 2007 ... am I missing something? [these are located in var/log/apache/a2/search-access_log-$DATESTAMP.gz] | 19:53 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Is it conceivable that the same text (in 2 diff. places) in a wiki page could be marked up with different SMW properties, so that it wouldn't be 100% reliable to use a hash-map to identify the link? | 19:58 |
| nathany | nkinkade: then it wouldn't be the same wikitext | 19:59 |
| nathany | (assuming you're using the entire wikitext as the string | 19:59 |
| nathany | er, key, not string | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | But it looks like SMW strips out the property. | 19:59 |
| nkinkade | Or at least that was my impression. | 20:00 |
| nathany | i don't know... if you don't have access to the full wiki text, that solution won't work | 20:00 |
| nathany | (at all) | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | So something like [[located in::Georgia]] would arrive at MW as [[Georgia]]. | 20:01 |
| nathany | yeah, that won't work because you could have other locations that said something like [[traveled to::Georgia]] | 20:01 |
| nathany | so nevermind -- that's not a solution :) | 20:02 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 20:12 |
| Steren | nathany: I can't get rid of this utf-8 error that you described in the Readme. considering my python installation, where should I put the file sitecustomize.py ? | 20:18 |
| nathany | Steren: i'll come in there | 20:18 |
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| jibot | veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com> | 20:26 |
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| ftobia | nathany: so it looks like it has to do with the ordering of the OPTIONAL statements. i'm not sure exactly why or how to work around it yet, but there's a caveat about OPTIONALs in sparql that i'm going to read up on. | 20:39 |
| nathany | ftobia: interesting | 20:40 |
| nathany | i wonder if it bails after the first one that doesn't match? | 20:40 |
| ftobia | yeah it's something like that. if the first one matches, it tries to match the second one with the variables that it found. if it doesn't match, then the second one can match the whole triple. | 20:41 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 21:02 |
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| ftobia | from what i can tell, this weirdness is well-known and there's probably some way to get around it with UNIONs. you should watch out for it with your sparql, nathany. | 21:28 |
| nathany | thanks, ftobia | 21:28 |
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| jibot | parkerhiggins is an undergraduate at NYU and the treasurer of its Free Culture chapter. and approximately 7.5 kDays old | 21:55 |
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| Steren | nathany: Just a question, do you edit the cc.engine files under the zope interface or directly on files ? | 22:13 |
| nathany | Steren: with Zope 3 you operate directly on the filesystem files | 22:13 |
| Steren | ok thanks | 22:14 |
| ftobia | nathany: for the license_class property of a License (like 'recombo' or 'standard') can i just have the Selector assign it? or is it some property within the RDF? because I don't think that's the case. | 22:26 |
| nathany | it's not in the RDF although we've talked about adding it | 22:26 |
| nathany | (hrm, wasn't that what i mocked up in svn last week?) | 22:26 |
| ftobia | let me see. | 22:27 |
| ftobia | i know what you're saying, i just need to see if that answers what i'm asking. | 22:27 |
| nathany | ok | 22:28 |
| ftobia | so that mockup you made was for the Selectors. i'm wondering how a given License knows what license class it's a part of... which I guess is the Selector it came from. | 22:28 |
| ftobia | it seems like license_class isn't an intrinsic property of a license, and the Selector decides which license is in which class | 22:29 |
| ftobia | if that's true, then i think it's best if Selector just defines the license_class attribute when it creates a License. | 22:29 |
| nathany | i'd probably prefer slightly that you add it as a parameter to the constructor -- | 22:30 |
| nathany | def __init__(self, license_class, license_uri): | 22:30 |
| nathany | ... | 22:30 |
| ftobia | yeah definitely. | 22:30 |
| nathany | i'm fine with that | 22:30 |
| ftobia | great thanks. | 22:30 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/07/15/32-to-64bit-remotely/ | 23:10 |
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| mlinksva | nkinkade: great post | 23:24 |
| mlinksva | just the kind of geek porn i imagined | 23:24 |
| mlinksva | for techblog | 23:24 |
| mecredis | reminds me of my "running asterisk on ec2" post | 23:29 |
| mecredis | http://causecaller.com/wordpress/?p=7 | 23:30 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: You like how I just essentially pasted the commands instead of actually describing anything? :-) | 23:31 |
| mlinksva | mecredis: yep nkinkade: yep :) | 23:32 |
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