tvol | greg-g carrying wine on your back? sounds heavy | 00:03 |
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greg-g | tvol: only one bottle, I got 3 today on my way back home. Everything started to taste the same yesterday so I didn't want to buy much | 00:11 |
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jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 01:00 |
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jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 01:03 |
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jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 02:27 |
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jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 03:22 |
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jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 05:01 |
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jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 07:03 |
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hdworak | paulproteus: I can see you've probably completed my midterm survey by now | 07:25 |
paulproteus | hdworak, Yup - all good to go, and if Google doesn't forward you my remarks I'll give them to you. | 07:26 |
hdworak | well, as far as I can tell Google forwards my survey to nathany | 07:27 |
paulproteus | I'm going to bed in a sec - it's 3:30 here. | 07:27 |
hdworak | lol :) | 07:27 |
hdworak | crazy IT people | 07:27 |
hdworak | you should have done so five and a half hours ago ;) | 07:27 |
hdworak | good night then | 07:28 |
paulproteus | I was too busy staying up, reading http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza . | 07:29 |
hdworak | I'm not a US citizen | 07:32 |
hdworak | but Sen. Obama sure gets my vote | 07:33 |
hdworak | loved his recent speech on patriotism "period. full stop." | 07:33 |
hdworak | great rhetoric | 07:33 |
hdworak | it was also funny when he had this video recorded in Google headquarters | 07:34 |
hdworak | and Dr. Schmidt asks him how to sort one billion queries | 07:35 |
hdworak | and he replied "I think bubble sort would be a wrong way to go" | 07:35 |
hdworak | lol :) | 07:35 |
hdworak | though if one needs serious arguments, I recommend Prof. Lessig's multimedia presentation on why to vote for Obama | 07:37 |
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is4 | paulproteus, in bed yet? | 07:59 |
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jibot | nathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat | 14:16 |
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jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 15:25 |
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jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 15:58 |
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jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 15:59 |
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jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:21 |
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jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 16:32 |
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jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 16:33 |
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jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 16:35 |
currybot | jibot: mmm... curry... | 16:35 |
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jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 16:50 |
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jibot | jonsson is a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @@ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle | 17:05 |
greg-g | mmmm, memory | 17:11 |
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Bovinity | currybot: 3 | 17:36 |
currybot | PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) This dish comes from the heart of India the capital New Delhi; chicken cubes are sautéed with pistachio paste. The base sauce is prepared with, coriander, cumin, cloves, cardamom, cinnamon, mace, garlic, ginger, vine ripened tomatoes, red onions and many expensive masala. | 17:36 |
currybot | $ 5.00 | 17:36 |
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greg-g | currybot list | 17:46 |
currybot | (1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) | 17:46 |
currybot | (2) PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) | 17:46 |
currybot | (3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) | 17:46 |
currybot | (4) TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 17:46 |
ftobia | mmm, heavy iron utensil | 17:50 |
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jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 17:56 |
ftobia | nathany: i've got some conceptual questions about how cc.license should be implemented; do you have time for a brief meeting before lunch? | 17:59 |
nathany | sure | 17:59 |
nathany | one second | 17:59 |
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jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 18:03 |
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nathany | ftobia: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/ccooo/trunk/src/org/creativecommons/license/Chooser.java?view=markup | 18:29 |
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Gnutoo | hello, is sampling legal when you do it without the authorization of the author? | 18:33 |
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hdworak | hello | 18:39 |
Bovinity | hdworak: fyi, proteus is on vacation today, probably won't be in irc | 18:40 |
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hdworak | Bovinity: thank you. that's fine, 'cause I've passed the midterm | 18:43 |
hdworak | how about ankitg? how's it going, buddy? | 18:43 |
ankitg | hdworak: Alohey | 18:44 |
* ankitg passed the mid-term too ... (-: | 18:44 | |
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hdworak | congratulations! | 18:45 |
hdworak | well done | 18:45 |
nathany | currybot: 3 | 18:45 |
currybot | PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) This dish comes from the heart of India the capital New Delhi; chicken cubes are sautéed with pistachio paste. The base sauce is prepared with, coriander, cumin, cloves, cardamom, cinnamon, mace, garlic, ginger, vine ripened tomatoes, red onions and many expensive masala. | 18:45 |
currybot | $ 5.00 | 18:45 |
nathany | currybot: list | 18:46 |
currybot | (1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) | 18:46 |
currybot | (2) PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) | 18:46 |
currybot | (3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) | 18:46 |
currybot | (4) TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 18:46 |
nathany | currybot: 2 | 18:46 |
currybot | PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) Kadhai is a heavy iron, wide rim wok like Indian cooking utensils and very popular northern dish. In this style of cooking, all the ingredients are stirred upside down in speed until done. Assortment of vegetables in this dish are blue lake bean, carrots, eggplants, bell pepper, cut corns and mushrooms | 18:46 |
currybot | $5.00 | 18:46 |
nathany | upside down in speed! i love that! | 18:46 |
mirko | msg currybot help | 18:46 |
Bovinity | something about a meth lab in the back room of mehfil... | 18:47 |
nathany | mirko: the currybot doesn't help :) | 18:47 |
mirko | what a shame | 18:47 |
mirko | I am hungry | 18:47 |
ankitg | hdworak: heh, I am assuming, passing the mid-term is more like, "You've still got work to do. Continue" :P | 18:47 |
hdworak | there's no reason not to celebrate | 18:48 |
hdworak | it's like passing your first semester at Univ. | 18:48 |
hdworak | you still have a lot ahead of you, but... | 18:48 |
greg-g | currybot: Order - Type:Delivery What:1+2 Who:Greg When:12:15 | 18:48 |
currybot | greg-g: mmm... curry... | 18:48 |
ankitg | oh, I don't think I need to reason to celebrate ... :D | 18:48 |
* egg plants, bell pepper, ... | 18:48 | |
hdworak | e\gg | 18:49 |
egg | :) | 18:49 |
hdworak | :) | 18:49 |
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hdworak | Bovinity: when will paulproteus go back from the vacation? | 18:55 |
paulproteus | Tomorrow. | 18:55 |
hdworak | lol | 18:56 |
hdworak | :) | 18:56 |
hdworak | I should have written paul\proteus | 18:56 |
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ftobia | list | 19:07 |
ftobia | currybot: list | 19:07 |
currybot | (1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) | 19:07 |
currybot | (2) PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) | 19:07 |
currybot | (3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) | 19:07 |
currybot | (4) TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 19:07 |
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tim_hwang | currybot list | 19:08 |
currybot | (1) CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) | 19:08 |
currybot | (2) PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) | 19:08 |
currybot | (3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) | 19:08 |
currybot | (4) TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 19:08 |
ftobia | currybot: 2 | 19:08 |
currybot | PUNJABI SUBZI (Fresh vegetables cooked with red onions, tomatoes, and spices in a heavy iron utensil) Kadhai is a heavy iron, wide rim wok like Indian cooking utensils and very popular northern dish. In this style of cooking, all the ingredients are stirred upside down in speed until done. Assortment of vegetables in this dish are blue lake bean, carrots, eggplants, bell pepper, cut corns and mushrooms | 19:08 |
currybot | $5.00 | 19:08 |
ftobia | currybot: 1 | 19:08 |
currybot | CHANNA SAAG (Garbanzo beans cooked with fresh spinach puree) This is a very popular dish from Punjab the northern part of India. Here garbanzo beans are first cooked in a ginger, garlic and tomato based curry and then fresh spinach puree is added to the beans and cooked well so that the flavor of both mixes with each other. | 19:08 |
currybot | $5.00 | 19:08 |
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jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 19:26 |
paulproteus | mlinksva, How do I become part of the "We hate the centralized web" cabal? | 19:26 |
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Gnutoo | hello, is sampling legal when you do it without the authorization of the author? | 19:50 |
Gnutoo | because i saw some samples in a creative common song in jamendo | 19:50 |
mlinksva | paulproteus: i'll check on that | 19:56 |
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nathany | Gnutoo: any reuse is legal if the author gives you explicit permission | 19:59 |
Gnutoo | nathany, ok so maby i should find the original song(because i heard it in a rap song so i think it was not the original one) and bugreport to jamendo | 20:02 |
Gnutoo | nathany, thanks a lot | 20:02 |
nathany | sure, maybe they have permission or maybe it's small enough to fall into fair use | 20:02 |
nathany | hard to say | 20:02 |
Gnutoo | yes it's small | 20:02 |
Gnutoo | but it's repetitive | 20:02 |
Gnutoo | ok thanks a lot | 20:02 |
Gnutoo | it's 5 seconds long but it's repeated in all the song | 20:03 |
nathany | Gnutoo: ok; IANAL but my understanding is that it's the length, not repetition that matters | 20:04 |
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nathany | but Jamendo would be the right venue to bring it up | 20:05 |
nkinkade | nathany: Bovinity: Can either of you think of a reason why a7 shouldn't go 64bit today? | 20:06 |
nkinkade | DNS has had all weekend to converge. | 20:06 |
nathany | nkinkade: all is quiet on the western front? | 20:06 |
nathany | (ie, logs) | 20:07 |
nkinkade | Well, at the moment about the only activity is from 1 IP address: 189.108.6.2, which made over 350,000 requests in less than minute. | 20:07 |
nkinkade | Quite astonishing, and I'm not sure what it's all about. | 20:08 |
nkinkade | Maybe it's a renegade crawl. | 20:08 |
nkinkade | Fortunately for use there were only 2 things on a7. CC.org and SC.org, and those are both now running okay on a5. | 20:10 |
nkinkade | The only thing that comes to mind are cron jobs, which I'll double check. | 20:10 |
paulproteus | Heh. | 20:14 |
paulproteus | nkinkade, http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/jokes/bljokebushbrazilian.htm | 20:15 |
paulproteus | (the IP is Brazilian) | 20:16 |
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Steren | nathany: rejon : I've added a "Sort by edit time" in the case study page : http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Casestudies . I'm affraid that the Edit time considered is not the last one but the last-1 one ... I really don't know how to put the last one in the semantic data. | 20:22 |
nathany | Steren: is that because of the order the hooks are called in? (ie, the last edit hasn't actually happened when your hook is called) | 20:23 |
Steren | nathany: exaclty | 20:23 |
nathany | two ideas: | 20:23 |
Steren | semantics are crated during parsing, and the revision is created after article save | 20:23 |
nathany | right | 20:23 |
nathany | so one idea is to look for a hidden form variable that MW sets when editing to record the edit start time (and help with collision detection) and use that | 20:24 |
nathany | the other would be to just use the actual time (which should be close to the actual revision time) | 20:24 |
Steren | I alreadyu tried actual time | 20:24 |
nathany | oh? | 20:24 |
nathany | didn't work? | 20:24 |
Steren | but it's buggy because sometimes semantics are refreshed | 20:24 |
Steren | this works fine, but 5 days later, hop when you display the page, it's refreshed | 20:25 |
nathany | :( | 20:26 |
rejon | :( | 20:26 |
rejon | cool Steren though...is this because of caching this problem? | 20:26 |
Steren | actual time is not so reliable I think, mainly because of the semantic refresh system | 20:27 |
Steren | rejon: what do you mean ? | 20:27 |
rejon | that the page has to be refreshed to get the last edit? | 20:27 |
Steren | no in fact semantic data is stored in a database, those data are created fromthe last revision info | 20:27 |
Steren | but when they are created the last last revision hasn't been yet | 20:28 |
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Steren | the order is : Edit > Store semantic data > create last revision | 20:28 |
Steren | nathany: Before today I was convinced that actual timestamp was ok, but this morning I tried my local wiki, and everypage had an edit time from today. I don't really understand why | 20:30 |
nathany | that's really weird | 20:31 |
nathany | did you run something like the SMW_RefreshData.php script? | 20:31 |
nathany | i can see how running that would cause all the edit dates to be reset | 20:31 |
nathany | (which would be undesirable) | 20:31 |
Steren | I don't think so | 20:32 |
Steren | we can test it on the CC wiki | 20:32 |
Steren | I just have to uncomment some lines and comment others to see | 20:32 |
nathany | yeah, might be worth playing with a bit in a live situation... maybe on Teamspace? | 20:33 |
nathany | (in case it blows up?) | 20:34 |
nathany | whichever is fine with me | 20:34 |
Steren | ok I'll re-test it on my local machine | 20:34 |
Steren | As I told you, for our last stand up meeting, actual timewas what I used because of the revision problem | 20:34 |
Steren | and it worked | 20:34 |
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Steren | nathany: yeah it works well on my machine. I tried on the CCwiki, and it works. | 20:45 |
nathany | cool | 20:45 |
nathany | i guess we'll just keep an eye on it and see if it blows up :) | 20:46 |
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nathany | Steren: something weird happens when you preview a page | 21:12 |
nathany | tons of fact boxes | 21:12 |
nathany | (did you tell me about this before and I just forgot?) | 21:12 |
Steren | yes, an update to semantic MW 1.2 corrects this | 21:12 |
nathany | oh, right | 21:13 |
ftobia | paulproteus: ping | 21:13 |
Steren | nathany: I'm trying to figure out why it works, because the parser and factbox printing is called everytime a page is displayed | 21:14 |
paulproteus | ftobia, pong if you insist. | 21:14 |
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paulproteus | (pretending to be away) | 21:14 |
ftobia | well after my quick question you can continue pretending | 21:14 |
paulproteus | Great. | 21:14 |
greg-g | paulproteus: your /whois doesn't say you are away ;) | 21:14 |
ftobia | so after a discussion with nathany, and reading the selector code, i think it would be best to have a single License class instead of StandardLicense, PdLicense, SamplingLicense | 21:15 |
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paulproteus | ftobia, Okay, I think I may have said that 3mo ago anyway. | 21:15 |
ftobia | woot | 21:15 |
paulproteus | What's the q? | 21:15 |
ftobia | is there some good reason for having separate classes? | 21:16 |
ftobia | nathan's idea is that the selector will pass a uri to the License constructor, which queries RDF to fill in all the values. | 21:16 |
paulproteus | I like that. | 21:17 |
ftobia | excellent. thanks. | 21:17 |
ftobia | now switch your status :) | 21:17 |
paulproteus | But I'm chatting on #laconica! (-; | 21:17 |
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Steren | nathany: I think the "EditTime and revision User" task is completed, do you have something for me in mind ? | 21:35 |
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nathany | i have a couple things in the back of my mind, can you follow up on getting semantic tasks into mediawiki this afternoon and we'll talk about it first thing tomorrow? | 21:35 |
nathany | Steren: ^^ | 21:36 |
nathany | Steren: i forget, do you know python? | 21:37 |
Steren | nathany: I don't, but I definitively would like to learn, this learning could be done apart from my CChours of course | 21:38 |
nathany | :) | 21:38 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/presskit/cc.primary.srr.svg ... do you know what that's a 404? | 21:38 |
nkinkade | It doesn't appear to be on mirrors, but it must have been at some point. | 21:38 |
nathany | ok, give me 10 minutes and then let's talk about a task that needs done | 21:38 |
Bovinity | hm, it was tehre when i added it | 21:38 |
nkinkade | And also the .eps version is gone. | 21:38 |
Bovinity | oh, cc.srr.primary, not cc.primary. | 21:39 |
Bovinity | my bad | 21:39 |
nkinkade | Maybe it had something to do with the move? | 21:39 |
Bovinity | the gif is cc.primary | 21:39 |
nkinkade | Oh. I saw those in there, but wasn't sure what was up. | 21:39 |
nkinkade | So it's just a URL issue? I'll change it. | 21:39 |
nkinkade | Or will you? | 21:39 |
Bovinity | updating presskit page | 21:39 |
nkinkade | Cool. Thanks. | 21:40 |
nkinkade | This just came into info@ "I understand everything there is to know about cc, except for the start, the meaning of 'copyright'." | 21:40 |
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jibot | mattl is Matt Lee, British comedy boy, GNU Project Chief Webmaster, founder of CNUK.ORG and occasional mischief maker. He hates bots. | 21:52 |
mattl | mlinksva: hey | 21:52 |
mattl | mlinksva: http://yro.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?id=771363&op=view | 21:52 |
mattl | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/14/2019253 | 21:52 |
rejon | cool mattl | 21:54 |
rejon | what a day! | 21:54 |
mlinksva | mattl: i'm slow, looks like it's already on the /. homepage | 21:54 |
mattl | yah, just came up. | 21:54 |
mattl | rejon: you missed the part of me hammering the shit out of mako's box to make sure it'll stay up. | 21:55 |
rejon | :) | 21:55 |
rejon | aha, I hate to miss hammering the shit out of any type of tech | 21:55 |
paulproteus | mattl, I've been trying for hours to comment on that post. | 21:56 |
paulproteus | The comment form never shows up for me. | 21:56 |
mattl | paulproteus: yeah, it's locked down right now. a) caching reasons 2) to keep riff-raff like you out ;) | 21:56 |
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mattl | paulproteus: caching. honest. | 21:57 |
mattl | no HOPE for me. various reasons. | 21:58 |
mattl | but the good news is that us.gov want to get all my biometrics on 7/30 so, progress. | 21:58 |
paulproteus | Sorry to hear it. Anyway, let me know as soon as caching's off so I can be #16 not like #16000. | 21:58 |
mattl | yeah. | 21:59 |
mattl | i'm tempted to just insert myself in the database now. | 22:00 |
paulproteus | I'd love it if you'd do that ofr me. | 22:00 |
mattl | don't worry. we can juggle that around later. | 22:00 |
paulproteus | mattl, I'm going to go get dinner, so I'd appreciate it if you'd let me comment or just INSERT me. (-: | 22:03 |
mattl | paulproteus: we'll sorry about it later. for now, slashdot > you, sorry dude. | 22:03 |
paulproteus | I tried to comment before the Slush dotting. | 22:04 |
* paulproteus sniffles | 22:04 | |
paulproteus | Allergies. | 22:04 |
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nkinkade | nathany: Bovinity: paulproteus: Unless any of you object, I'm going to start the conversion of a7 to 64 bit. | 22:06 |
Bovinity | nkinkade: cc.org is living where for now? | 22:06 |
nkinkade | a5 | 22:06 |
nathany | go | 22:06 |
Bovinity | ok | 22:06 |
nkinkade | Bovinity: a5 is it's permanent home. | 22:06 |
paulproteus | go go gadget 64 bits | 22:06 |
Bovinity | oh, well ain't htat fancy | 22:07 |
paulproteus | Go go Debian servers! You mighty, arch-morphing Debian serve-er-ers. | 22:07 |
nkinkade | The only thing I can see trying to connect is something with a weird From: header that reads webmaster@microsiga.com.br | 22:07 |
mattl | paulproteus: i have commented out the 'endorsements' and comments login bit for now, while we're in cache mode. | 22:08 |
* paulproteus sighs | 22:08 | |
paulproteus | Talk to you post-dinner. | 22:08 |
mattl | paulproteus: dude. be reasonable here :) | 22:09 |
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greg-g | smoothies | 22:21 |
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smoothiebot | it's smoothie time! | 22:21 |
smoothiebot | mmm, smoothies... | 22:21 |
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tim_hwang | smoothiebot list | 22:53 |
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nkinkade | paulproteus: ? | 23:11 |
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