| nkinkade | At least I *think* that was my mistake ... they were just empty files, not actual symlinks to /boot/<something> | 00:00 |
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| nkinkade | But I wasn't sure why that would cause it to not boot. | 00:00 |
| paulproteus | ? | 00:00 |
| paulproteus | Those symlinks are totally ignored since the Debian moved from grub to lilo. | 00:01 |
| nkinkade | Even after I fixed that it took quite a while to come back up, maybe 5 minutes. I half wondered whether the system was just doing a fsck. | 00:01 |
| paulproteus | (I imagine so.) | 00:01 |
| nkinkade | Re: links. | 00:01 |
| nkinkade | That's what I thought, but it was the only thing that occurred to me. | 00:01 |
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| nkinkade | Since it took about 5 minutes to come up even after the RapidRescue, I figured that it was probably a unfortunately-timed routine file system check on boot. | 00:02 |
| paulproteus | Ouch, interrupted a fsck. | 00:02 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: By the way, how did you install Varnish on a8. I see it's just 1.1.2, but I had applied a patch to the i386 version to make it 1.1.2-1. | 00:03 |
| nkinkade | I rebuild the package, which patch applied on a5 as 1.1.2-1. I'll probably install that build on every system. | 00:03 |
| nkinkade | s/rebuild/rebuilt/ | 00:03 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay, cool. | 00:03 |
| paulproteus | I don't really remember. | 00:04 |
| paulproteus | I think I just apt-src -bi install varnish'd. | 00:04 |
| nkinkade | Oh. I grabbed the source from source forge, patched the code, then used dch -a to add comments, then rebuilt. | 00:04 |
| nkinkade | (Took me a while to find dch again ... I had forgot the name of that tool) | 00:05 |
| paulproteus | What patch did you apply? | 00:05 |
| paulproteus | I saw in the scrollback! | 00:05 |
| nkinkade | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/ticket/197 | 00:05 |
| paulproteus | Oh, that joyful patch. | 00:05 |
| nkinkade | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/changeset/2545 | 00:06 |
| nkinkade | A very tiny little fix, but makes a big difference in some cases. | 00:06 |
| paulproteus | The difference between the almost right word & the right word is really a large matter--it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning. - Letter to George Bainton, 10/15/1888 -- http://www.twainquotes.com/Lightning.html | 00:08 |
| nkinkade | Doh! | 00:10 |
| nkinkade | Internal error: cc(1) complained: | 00:10 |
| nkinkade | sh: line 0: exec: cc: not found | 00:10 |
| paulproteus | build-essential baby | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | I forgot that Varnish require a C compile on the system. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | apt-get build-dep varnish # should also do it ... | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | Er, isn't that a dependency? | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | If not, that's seriously a bug in the package. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | You should use reportbug. | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | I think it's a dependency, but it didn't install it. | 00:11 |
| paulproteus | What the f kind of "dependency" is that? | 00:11 |
| nkinkade | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/FAQ#DoesVarnishrequirethesystemtohaveaCcompiler | 00:13 |
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| paulproteus | Right, so I'm saying, the Debian package shouldn't have let the install of Varnish finish without demanding you install a C compiler. | 00:14 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. Interestingly it installed Varnish, the version from etch, but there is no C compiler. Well, there is no /usr/bin/cc, though there is a /usr/bin/gcc. Do I just need to add a symlink? | 00:18 |
| paulproteus | This is due to /etc/alternatives breakage. | 00:19 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 00:19 |
| paulproteus | This is "the only problem" with copying /etc wholesale. | 00:19 |
| paulproteus | dpkg --purge gcc ; apt-get install gcc | 00:19 |
| nkinkade | I just noticed that by looking on a8. | 00:19 |
| paulproteus | That should do it? | 00:19 |
| nkinkade | It won't let me do anything because of some other problems with a few broken packages (nagios) ... | 00:20 |
| nkinkade | I imagine I can force it. | 00:20 |
| paulproteus | ? | 00:20 |
| paulproteus | How broken? | 00:20 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to paste mumbo-jumbo or just tell me, "Join me in a screen -x". | 00:20 |
| nkinkade | Maybe I should just fix the problems with nagios and that shoudl do it. The nagios configs were off so it hasn't marked Nagios as being configured because it failed to launch. | 00:21 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. | 00:22 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good to me. | 00:22 |
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| hdworak | ok, my findings are the following: | 00:25 |
| hdworak | - DC.rights.license when serialised to RDF/XML yields valid XML, because | 00:25 |
| hdworak | STag ::= '<' Name (S Attribute)* S? '>' | 00:26 |
| hdworak | Name ::=Â (Letter | '_' | ':') (NameChar)* | 00:26 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: | 00:26 |
| nkinkade | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of gcc: | 00:26 |
| nkinkade | build-essential depends on gcc (>= 4:4.1.1). | 00:26 |
| hdworak | NameChar ::= Letter | Digit | '.' | '-' | '_' | ':' | CombiningChar | Extender | 00:26 |
| hdworak | so full stops are allowed in element names in XML | 00:26 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 00:26 |
| hdworak | and SPARQL handles such queries with grace, too | 00:27 |
| paulproteus | --force-depends it ; you're going to reinstall it in a second anyway. | 00:27 |
| hdworak | it is only the limitation of either n3 format itself or rdflib's serialisation to it that prevents the developer from serialising dc.rights.license RDF to n3 (because it then cannot be loaded) | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Is that really necessary. It would appear /etc/alternatives is right and that the only thing missing is /usr/bin/cc -> /etc/alternatives/cc | 00:29 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, okay. | 00:29 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It *looks* that way to me. | 00:29 |
| paulproteus | That makes sense. | 00:30 |
| paulproteus | But if you were me, you'd avoid any doubt by asking the package to fix itself. | 00:30 |
| nkinkade | That makes sense. | 00:32 |
| nkinkade | I'll do a force depends in a second. | 00:32 |
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| hdworak | paulproteus: I've just made a commit; mostly Dublin Core handling | 00:36 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: libvalidator now detects license information for all methods mentioned by nathany in "Extend Metadata" at ccwiki | 00:36 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Cool,. (-: | 00:37 |
| hdworak | now it requires lots of polishing, but the core is just there | 00:38 |
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| hdworak | a/link data: URI/metadata.rdf, meta/link DC.rights, RDF/XML as an element/in a comment, RDFa | 00:39 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 00:40 |
| hdworak | I am going to prove this with nosetests tomorrow (just the extraction of the license information) | 00:43 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Are you thinking to move the buildbot somewhere other than a5? | 00:54 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 01:00 | |
| rejon | check out post by greg dek. from redhat on olpc: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg00433.html | 01:00 |
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| hdworak | hi | 10:52 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: I have pushed nosetests for all implemented methods (deprecated, acceptable, recommended) and they pass | 10:53 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Great! | 10:53 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: does that qualify for passing the midterm evaluation? | 10:53 |
| paulproteus | I believe that satisfies what I was asking for, yeah. | 10:53 |
| hdworak | huh? it's 3:53 AM in California | 10:53 |
| paulproteus | I'm in an airport in Charlotte, North Carolina, right now instead. | 10:54 |
| hdworak | those were read_when_you_wake_up messages | 10:54 |
| hdworak | oh, you're going to Argentina or something? | 10:54 |
| hdworak | :) | 10:54 |
| paulproteus | Not yet; going to spend a week and a half on the east coast of the US just for kicks. (-: | 10:54 |
| hdworak | sounds very cool | 10:55 |
| hdworak | I'd be very grateful if you could check the code in the repo and tell me whether you're positive that it passes midterm | 10:55 |
| paulproteus | I'll do so now. | 10:58 |
| hdworak | awesome | 10:59 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, My 'net connection may be fizzling. | 11:19 |
| paulproteus | tvol, You free on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday next week maybe? | 11:19 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Email me asking for a review and you will surely get it. | 11:19 |
| hdworak | I thought of doing so, but I didn't know how to address | 11:20 |
| hdworak | Asheesh or Mr. Laroia | 11:20 |
| hdworak | :) | 11:20 |
| hdworak | so I went to IRC w/ this question | 11:20 |
| tvol | yah possibly paulproteus what's up? | 11:20 |
| hdworak | do you want me to attach libvalidator.tar.bz2 to the e-mail? | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, No! | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | Just ask me to git clone and run nosetests. | 11:21 |
| hdworak | ok | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | tvol, I'll probably be in DC Tuesday morning through Thursday morning. | 11:21 |
| hdworak | then would you mind if I address you as Asheesh? | 11:22 |
| tvol | paulproteus: rad. yeah let's hang out for sure sometime. more info to follow... | 11:22 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Not at all. | 11:23 |
| hdworak | that's nice of you :) | 11:23 |
| hdworak | the e-mail has been just sent to you | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | Since it's my name. (-: | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | tvol, I was thinking maybe of having a free culturites get together on one of those days. | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | Since I'll be in town and you guys are all cool. | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | I can't believe the fascists past telecom immunity. | 11:24 |
| * paulproteus tries to think of something else | 11:24 | |
| tvol | paulproteus yes that sounds good | 11:25 |
| paulproteus | Okay, time to find this airplane to take me to BWI. | 11:25 |
| paulproteus | Toodle-oo! | 11:25 |
| hdworak | have a nice flight then | 11:26 |
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| jibot | nathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat | 15:17 |
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| * greg-g waves from the east bay | 15:50 | |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 15:53 |
| Bovinity | greg-g: hola, from the east bay | 15:57 |
| Bovinity | well, leaving the east bay shortly. but still. | 15:57 |
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| jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 15:59 |
| currybot | jibot: mmm... curry... | 15:59 |
| Bovinity | currybot: list | 15:59 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) | 15:59 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-PIYAZI (Fresh Vegetables cooked in thick onions, ginger and tomato based curry) | 15:59 |
| currybot | (3) MURGI PARSEE (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in Zoroastrian style) | 15:59 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 15:59 |
| currybot | (5) PORK VINDALOO (Pork cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) | 15:59 |
| greg-g | currybot is already here? wow | 15:59 |
| currybot | greg-g: mmm... curry... | 15:59 |
| Bovinity | mmm, zoroastrian | 16:00 |
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| ftobia | greg-g: i remembered to boot him up early today. | 16:10 |
| ftobia | dumplings? seriously? | 16:11 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 16:11 |
| currybot | PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) This dish comes from the state of Punjab. Your host chef visited this state some time ago and learnt about this dish. The base gravy is prepared by mixing a small amount of chickpea flour with buttermilk and water. This mixture is boiled for over period of two hours and kept aside. Then the mix of red onions, garlic, and ginger and tomato paste is adde | 16:11 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 16:11 |
| nathany | OMG, i <3 zoroastrian curry! | 16:11 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 16:16 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 16:27 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 16:39 |
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| ajbrooks | did you guys see the line at the apple store? crazy | 16:41 |
| Bovinity | crazier than the iPwn 1.0 launch? | 16:41 |
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| tim_hwang | currybot list | 16:48 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) | 16:48 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-PIYAZI (Fresh Vegetables cooked in thick onions, ginger and tomato based curry) | 16:48 |
| currybot | (3) MURGI PARSEE (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in Zoroastrian style) | 16:48 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 16:48 |
| currybot | (5) PORK VINDALOO (Pork cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) | 16:48 |
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| ftobia | currybot: 3 | 17:01 |
| currybot | MURGI PARSEE (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in Zoroastrian style) This dish comes from the Southeastern Indian community. First the cubes of chicken are marinated in the base of garlic, red onions, ginger, nutmeg, cinnamon, cardamom, and several other spices. The marinated chicken is then sautéed in a smooth fresh vine ripened tomato paste until the oil separates. | 17:01 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 17:01 |
| ftobia | currybot: 4 | 17:01 |
| currybot | MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) Home madeBeef meatballs Braised in Fresh garlic, ginger, onions, and Roma Tomatoes Finished in a Masala of roasted Cloves and Cinnamon Bark. AN Excellent infusion With an Indian Flavor. | 17:01 |
| currybot | $6.00 | 17:01 |
| tim_hwang | oh man Zoroastrian chicken | 17:01 |
| tim_hwang | it's only 10 AM... | 17:01 |
| tim_hwang | : ( | 17:01 |
| Bovinity | love that zoroastrian | 17:01 |
| greg-g | geez, all you zoroastrian lovers | 17:02 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 17:04 |
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| tim_hwang | random: does anyone know who runs gmail? or runs interface design for gmail? | 17:16 |
| tim_hwang | i mean, in terms of person, not company | 17:16 |
| tim_hwang | (durr) | 17:17 |
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| ianloic | when does currybot give the day's menu? | 18:07 |
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| * ankitg is going to wait for his mentor while tinkering with python and going through S3 ... needs to make sure he has the right logs pinned down ... | 18:13 | |
| Bovinity | ankitg: you're gonna be waiting a while | 18:13 |
| ankitg | thanks for the heads up ... I shall be patient. | 18:14 |
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| ftobia | ianloic: whenever you ask him. | 18:22 |
| ftobia | currybot: list | 18:23 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) | 18:23 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-PIYAZI (Fresh Vegetables cooked in thick onions, ginger and tomato based curry) | 18:23 |
| currybot | (3) MURGI PARSEE (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in Zoroastrian style) | 18:23 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 18:23 |
| currybot | (5) PORK VINDALOO (Pork cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) | 18:23 |
| ftobia | oh he's not around.. | 18:23 |
| ianloic | so wonderful! | 18:23 |
| ftobia | wiat yes he is | 18:23 |
| nathany | ankitg: paulproteus is off work today | 18:25 |
| nathany | (fyi) | 18:25 |
| ankitg | nathany: okie, thanks for the update. | 18:27 |
| * ankitg is going to be even more patient than before! | 18:27 | |
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| greg-g | 10 minute warning on greg leaving for the weekend, last minute requests/messages now plz | 18:49 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 18:52 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) | 18:52 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-PIYAZI (Fresh Vegetables cooked in thick onions, ginger and tomato based curry) | 18:52 |
| currybot | (3) MURGI PARSEE (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in Zoroastrian style) | 18:52 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 18:52 |
| currybot | (5) PORK VINDALOO (Pork cubes cooked in a spicy curry sauce with small cubes of russets) | 18:52 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 18:52 |
| currybot | PUNJABI KADHI PAKORA (Unique chickpea and buttermilk with vegetable dumplings.) This dish comes from the state of Punjab. Your host chef visited this state some time ago and learnt about this dish. The base gravy is prepared by mixing a small amount of chickpea flour with buttermilk and water. This mixture is boiled for over period of two hours and kept aside. Then the mix of red onions, garlic, and ginger and tomato paste is adde | 18:52 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 18:52 |
| ftobia | currybot: curryites | 18:52 |
| currybot | bovinity, tim_hwang, brianrowe, ftobia, currybot_plus, Steren, nathany, and greg-g are members of the curry cabal. | 18:52 |
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| greg-g | is adde? | 18:55 |
| greg-g | the tomato paste is adde? | 18:55 |
| Bovinity | curry bot needs to make sure the buffer doesn't overflow the max length of an irc message, and split the content accordingly | 18:56 |
| rejon | greg-g: have fun! tourismo | 18:56 |
| Bovinity | max length, if i recall, is 256 chars. | 18:57 |
| brianrowe | Curry ? | 18:57 |
| greg-g | rejon: planning on it | 18:57 |
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| jibot | nathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat | 19:08 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=ceiling+cat | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | http://catmas.com/images/2006/12/where-is-your-god-now.jpg | 19:12 |
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| Bovinity | rejon: btw, your identi.ca forwarder posts your url as identi.ca/rej, rather than identi.ca/rejon | 19:29 |
| rejon | oops | 19:29 |
| Bovinity | or just replace it with the tinyurl | 19:30 |
| rejon | ugh | 19:31 |
| rejon | ur1.ca | 19:31 |
| * paulproteus waves | 19:31 | |
| * ankitg waves back at paulproteus ... | 19:38 | |
| * greg-g waves to everyone | 19:40 | |
| * greg-g and leaves for the weekend | 19:40 | |
| ankitg | paulproteus: you busy? | 19:49 |
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| Steren | http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/ > works on windows, macosx and linux | 19:55 |
| Bovinity | someone get a playstation2 -> usb converter, and i'll bring in the guitar :P | 19:57 |
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| hdworak | hi paulproteus | 20:10 |
| hdworak | :) :) | 20:10 |
| hdworak | ankitg: 'sup? how's it going? | 20:11 |
| ankitg | Hi hdworak ... =) | 20:12 |
| hdworak | n/p w/ the midterm? | 20:12 |
| ankitg | heh ... shouldn't be ... once I get our mentor to answer a few simple questions ... | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Hi. | 20:13 |
| hdworak | cool :) | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | I'm "on vacation", but let's talk. (-: | 20:14 |
| hdworak | cool | 20:14 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: Q1.) is it possible for there to be cases with multiple txt files in a gz log? | 20:15 |
| hdworak | do you have a decent broadband connection at the East Coast? | 20:15 |
| ankitg | as in multiple text files within a single log archive [.gz] ... ? | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Decent enough, yeah. | 20:17 |
| paulproteus | I'm inside acm.jhu.edu, which is a fairly nice .edu connection. | 20:18 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, No. | 20:21 |
| paulproteus | The gz format is defined as "a single file compressed". | 20:22 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: That's good to know ... Also, trying to get hold of the web logs for http://creativecommons.org/ for metadata adoption ... but I think I grabbed the wrong logs >.< ... can you point me to the right ones ... would be a time-saver ... ? | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, I think that's the right one. | 20:23 |
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| paulproteus | I admit, I want to focus on getting you just what you need for the mid-term stuff I asked for and then go back on vacation. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | I don't remember what I asked of you, though. | 20:23 |
| paulproteus | You're welcome to bug others for other stuff than that. (-: | 20:24 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: I have the basic python script up ... scan dir for gz files, iterates through them and reads the contents ... matches the contents pattern line by line with the combined log pattern [for all the logs in that directory] ... now I need to add in the code for pulling out the metadata and the search terms and sorts ... which would be easy, if I could pin down the exact logs ... something I seem to be having difficulty with )-: | 20:27 |
| * ankitg feels guilty for obstructing vacation ... )-: | 20:28 | |
| paulproteus | Ah-hah. | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | Let's see. | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | What are you trying? | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | I actually have fairly little experience with the logs myself. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | I mean, with the S3-stored version. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade has quite a bit more. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | But he's probably at lunch (can nathany confirm or deny this?). | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | So maybe I'll say, "Ask nkinkade"? And if he doesn't answer you in an hour or two, then ask me again. | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | How's that? (-: | 20:33 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: the logs seem simple enough ... esp with sisynala [and other stuff I read on the combined log format] ... there even seem to be some tools which do some statistical analysis for such logs, though not exactly what we are doing ... | 20:34 |
| * Bovinity confirms nkinkade's status | 20:34 | |
| paulproteus | ankitg, /me nods | 20:35 |
| ankitg | I found a PERL module for log stats analysis ... but since I've started python, and we're using it everywhere else [and it seems very easy to use] ... I continue with it ... | 20:35 |
| paulproteus | Okay (-: | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | What did I ask you to do for midterm? | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | I forget... | 20:36 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: I'll check back with you @ 6:30 [in 2 hours] ... hopefully I am awake enough =) | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Okay, great - I'll be more available over the weekend probably. | 20:36 |
| * ankitg curses the timezone diff. | 20:37 | |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: 1) Sites changing licenses? [which will be the tricky one - since each say is not always a diff log] | 20:37 |
| ankitg | 2) Metadata adoptio | 20:38 |
| ankitg | *2) Metadata adoption | 20:38 |
| ankitg | 3) What are people searching for on search-dot creativecommons.org [depending on whether the javascript works and gets logged] | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | 1) Right - this should be "easy" if you just look at look at the referers to the image icons | 20:39 |
| nathany | what do you want me to confirm/deny? | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | nathany, if nkinkade is @ lunch | 20:39 |
| nathany | oh, | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity already confirmed. | 20:39 |
| nathany | i'm at home :) | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | Oh. | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 20:39 |
| tim_hwang | rejon -- for the mexican delegation -- what should we offer up? | 20:40 |
| tim_hwang | should i put together a short presentation overivew? | 20:40 |
| tim_hwang | followed by lunch or something? | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, I wrote in the email, it seems: | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | You'll have to decode the $URL we told you that $IP visited into something | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | more meaningful, so you can say: | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | $IP got the image button for $LICENSE on $DATE | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | I guess what you really want for (1) is "$LICENSE button gotten with referer $REFERER on $DATE", and then you can sort by date and see if any $REFERER got a different $LICENSE ever. | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | I guess I wrote that in early May. | 20:41 |
| paulproteus | Let me know if I'm making sense. | 20:41 |
| rejon | tim_hwang: right, just do quick presentation of what cc does (you can piece together mine or from that presentation resources page) at cc office | 20:43 |
| rejon | or do first then go eat, or something | 20:43 |
| rejon | basically, wing-it ;) | 20:43 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: okie, that is easy to do ... and I can sort once I get the conversion from string to date ... but wouldn't it be resource intensive to do that for all the $REFERER s? | 20:43 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, I expect sisynala to help with the date->date object conversion. | 20:45 |
| paulproteus | re: resource intensive: If you want, I can give you some advice on handling that. | 20:45 |
| paulproteus | Or you can try to think of stuff youreslf. | 20:45 |
| paulproteus | For one thing, it occurs to me, if you create a (temporary?) table of (referer, date, license_they_got_the_button_for) then the answer is a fairly simple SQL query. | 20:46 |
| paulproteus | There may be other ways to do this. | 20:46 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: I tried sisynala ... hmmm, I'll figure it out ... okie this is done ... first I get a list of all unique referrers and then I get changes in their license ... | 20:46 |
| tim_hwang | rejon, on it, CCing | 20:47 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: hmmm, so I wrap this one up in 2 hours and then get back to you about the logs for 2 ... (-: | 20:49 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, I like that idea! | 20:49 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: on another note: put all the new time-series data into SQL ... would be great to have access to the text files for sanity checking once you're back from your "vacation" (-: | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Okay (-: | 20:51 |
| paulproteus | Email me and I'll file it (-: | 20:51 |
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| * ankitg adds another mailto: to his ever-growing TO DO list ... | 20:52 | |
| nkinkade | ankitg: Was there still something you wanted to ask me? | 20:53 |
| ankitg | nkinkade: awesome ... | 20:53 |
| ankitg | I wanted to know which logs can I get info about "Metadata adoption" from ... ? | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: How do you mean? By looking at referring URLs or something? | 20:55 |
| ankitg | I tried the creativecommons.org in A7, but I think I have the wrong ones ... | 20:55 |
| ankitg | yes the form should add stuff to the URL if I am correct ... | 20:55 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Ask nathany what "metadata adoption" means if you don't grok it (-: | 20:55 |
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| nathany | those are the right ones, ankit | 20:56 |
| nathany | ankitg: ^^ | 20:56 |
| nathany | it means "how many people are filling in the extra information on the license chooser"? | 20:56 |
| nathany | so the /license/results-one requests, you'll have to look at the query string | 20:56 |
| ankitg | exactly ... so I need to look at the URL and there should be ?<$FIELD-NAME>=<$VALUE> that I need to pick up ... right? | 20:57 |
| nkinkade | Here's an example: http://creativecommons.org/license/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=us&field_format=&field_worktitle=test&field_attribute_to_name=test&field_attribute_to_url=test&field_sourceurl=test&field_morepermissionsurl=test&lang=en_US&language=en_US&n_questions=3 | 20:57 |
| nathany | right | 20:57 |
| nkinkade | But I'm sure you've seen many of those by now. | 20:58 |
| nathany | so you're looking for field_attribute_to_url | 20:58 |
| nathany | field_sourceurl | 20:58 |
| nathany | etc | 20:58 |
| hdworak | gosh | 20:58 |
| nathany | the ones that nkinkade set to test above, it looks like | 20:58 |
| hdworak | GET has a length limit :) | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | My example is bad because every field has "test" which doesn't do you any good in figuring our which var corresponds to which field. | 20:58 |
| nathany | hdworak: yes, but it's really really long ;) | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 20:58 |
| ankitg | that's what I was expecting too ... let me see if I was just unlucky to have picked up a "BAD" log ... | 20:58 |
| hdworak | & separator - problems with entities - better use semicolon :) | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, sorry to past that huge URL, maybe it was big enough for a pastebin. :-) | 20:59 |
| nathany | so we're interested in how often people fill in those fields, and has the frequency changed | 20:59 |
| ankitg | nathany: noted. This is a better way of doing it than search, more accurate. | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: nathany: Will those URLs show up in the access log, since mod_rewrite is redirecting that internally, not to mention that those values are submitted via a POST. | 21:01 |
| nkinkade | Or is it redirect. | 21:02 |
| nathany | they're submitted via GET, i thought | 21:02 |
| nathany | actually i'm 99.99% sure its GET | 21:02 |
| nathany | (since you pasted in the URL :) ) | 21:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Looks like you are right. | 21:03 |
| nathany | nkinkade: why is your example bad? | 21:03 |
| nkinkade | Sorry about that. | 21:03 |
| nathany | you just parse the URL and get a dict back | 21:03 |
| ankitg | nkinkade: I see some in the logs now =) | 21:03 |
| nathany | great | 21:03 |
| nkinkade | My example was bad because with "test" in every "Additonal Info" field there is no way to use the value entered as a quick way to map a value to a particular field, though the variable names themselves should be totally sufficient. | 21:04 |
| ankitg | now to start mapping these back to the form options ... firing up firebug =) | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: An easier way might be to just fill in the form once yourself with unique values for each field. | 21:04 |
| ankitg | nkinkade: also an option ... | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | Then see what variable that value gets paired up with in the URL. | 21:05 |
| * ankitg starts contaminating his data :P | 21:05 | |
| nkinkade | (But I LOVE Firebug!) | 21:05 |
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| hdworak | this IPv6 tunnel lags me too much | 21:07 |
| ankitg | hmmm so you say you want the frequency on this ... that would mean I need to define [or give the user an option to define] a time frame for this ... as in 5 entries per DAY or 100 entries per MONTH or something to that accord ... I am so going to have fun with Python date formats ... | 21:09 |
| nathany | :) | 21:13 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: one more thing [for 3] ... you wanted to check on the JS and get back to me ... I'll finish 1.) and 2.) ... then we'll get back to 3 which does not seem too difficult ... thanks (-: ... enjoy your vacation. | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, What does "check on the JS and get back to you" mean? | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | I forget. (-: | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | Oh, right! | 21:14 |
| paulproteus | Yes, the 1x1 image works. | 21:14 |
| ankitg | yay! I have a 3) ! (-: | 21:15 |
| * ankitg gets down to figuring our dates and type-casting for Python ... | 21:16 | |
| hdworak | haha | 21:16 |
| hdworak | no enjoyment for you | 21:16 |
| hdworak | :} | 21:17 |
| ankitg | hdworak: Y? This is phun! =) | 21:17 |
| Steren | nkinkade: have you/do you plan to update teamspace and ccwiki with SMW1.2 ? | 21:17 |
| hdworak | no, to Asheesh | 21:17 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:17 |
| nkinkade | Steren: I do, but I probably won't do it today. | 21:18 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: What version of ipython has %debug? Apparently not the version that comes with etch. | 21:18 |
| Steren | ok, I tested again semantic tasks and corrected one bug again, should work perfectly now | 21:18 |
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| nkinkade | Time for a backport, I think. | 21:18 |
| hdworak | I'm dying to hear his evaluation, so if he starts enjoying his free time, I'm gonna get crazy :) | 21:18 |
| * hdworak is the monkey in the wrench | 21:19 | |
| ankitg | hdworak: Eeks! My eval is going to be bad ... I was too much vacation-ing till now ... =( | 21:20 |
| hdworak | oh, come on, why are you so hard on yourself? | 21:21 |
| hdworak | we all work hard, do we not? | 21:21 |
| hdworak | I'm positive that you'd other important stuff to do, so it was not what is understood by vacationing | 21:22 |
| ankitg | is that a rhetorical question? [like this one] | 21:22 |
| hdworak | right | 21:23 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:24 |
| hdworak | ankitg: have you seen "juggling metadata"? | 21:25 |
| ankitg | hdworak: was visiting family in many a times internet-less places ... now back in Singapore ... I just think the timing for the mid-term is bad as I haven't done near half the project .. apart from that I am pretty certain I can get this done in time since I have a lot of time for this :: proof, it's 5:30 am here (-: | 21:26 |
| ankitg | hdworak: I got the link to it ... clicked it ... but was in India then and I gave up on it buffering [not] after 30 mins or so ... | 21:27 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:28 |
| hdworak | I've no doubt that you'll both pass the midterm and complete the project | 21:29 |
| ankitg | hdworak: you say that to everyone :P | 21:32 |
| ankitg | hdworak: I hear you're 80% done with your project ... | 21:33 |
| hdworak | lol? :) I do not know other participants really | 21:33 |
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| hdworak | this is a complete falsehood, which I have to vehemently deny | 21:34 |
| hdworak | (unfortunately) | 21:34 |
| ankitg | oh then 90% already .. nice ... ^_^ | 21:35 |
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| hdworak | laugh it up, ankitg. big laugh! | 21:38 |
| hdworak | :) | 21:39 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Can you remind me once more where I can set the default encoding for python to UTF so that cc.engine doesn't fail with that UnicodeDecodeError: | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | Feels like you've told me about 4 or 5 times and I never remember. | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | /etc/python/site.py? | 21:47 |
| hdworak | nkinkade: file-wide or machine-wide ? | 21:47 |
| nkinkade | I think he was having me do it machine-wide. | 21:48 |
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| nkinkade | Or perhaps it was python version-wide ... /usr/lib/python2.4/<something>??? | 21:50 |
| nkinkade | Ah, I think this is it: sitecustomize.py | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | /usr/lib/python2.4/sitecustomize.py | 21:52 |
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| hdworak | interesting | 22:04 |
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| nkinkade | What's this materials registry at mta.sciencecommons.org? Invisibility Potion from Hogwarts Academy | 22:20 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Are you / have you made any changes to (cc).org in the past 20 or 30 minutes? | 22:24 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: nope | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | I've got it running on a5 and have a good mind to flip the switch. | 22:24 |
| nkinkade | nathany: You there? | 22:25 |
| nkinkade | Or should that be "You here?" | 22:25 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 23:36 |
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