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| jibot | jonsson is a Swedish lawyer working for CC Sweden and blogging @@ http://www.cyberlaw.se/kalle | 00:09 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, (a) did you use %d yet; (b) did you see Bobby Tables? | 00:13 |
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| paulproteus | (c) I could do (a) if it's in svn or something. | 00:13 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Thanks. No I hadn't seem Bobby Tables yet .. I missed the link, thanks for reminding me. | 00:15 |
| nkinkade | And I haven't added the %d thing, but I'll do that now I'm getting back to looking at that code. | 00:15 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: A belated haha re: Bobby Tables. | 00:16 |
| nkinkade | Scary stuff. | 00:17 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Were you also suggesting that I use MySQL's CAST() function to be sure to try to force the value to an integer? | 00:23 |
| nkinkade | I don't think that would be necessary. | 00:23 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, No, PHP's int(). | 00:23 |
| nkinkade | Oh. | 00:23 |
| nkinkade | I'm not familiar with that function. | 00:24 |
| nkinkade | Or do you just mean that representationally. | 00:24 |
| paulproteus | I don't know, however you turn strings to ints in PHP. | 00:24 |
| paulproteus | I think int() works. | 00:24 |
| paulproteus | But I don't really know PHP. | 00:24 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 and legal intern at CC | 01:09 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 01:14 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 01:20 |
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| THEO|WxC | Hello, all. I am using Creative Commons licensed work in a television program, and am including the BY 3.0 and BY-SA 2.5 attributions in the end credits. I would like to use the buttons from the press kit, but they do not include the license version numbers. How can I include that? | 01:34 |
| THEO|WxC | Or do I even need to? | 01:34 |
| RainRat | the buttons don't have version numbers so you can use them with any version of the license | 01:37 |
| RainRat | The buttons by themselves don't fulfill the conditions of the license though; you need to link to the correct license page(or include the full text of the license). | 01:38 |
| RainRat | i suppose i should mention, i'm not a representative of CC, just a fan. | 01:40 |
| Bovinity | THEO|WxC: you include a url to the specific license, /by/3.0, /by-sa/2.5/, etc | 01:41 |
| Bovinity | btutons are applicable to any version | 01:41 |
| THEO|WxC | Well, I won't be able to provide a hyperlink, since this is on a television credits. But maybe I can squeeze in a written-out URL. | 01:41 |
| THEO|WxC | It would likely be very small, but I should hopefully be able to make that work. | 01:42 |
| THEO|WxC | Does it have to include the http://www part, too? | 01:42 |
| THEO|WxC | Space is limited, unfortunately. | 01:42 |
| Bovinity | no, you don't have to | 01:43 |
| THEO|WxC | But it would have to include the creativecommons.org part, correct? I couldn't just have "/by/3.0" written with the button? It would have to be "creativecommons.org/by/3.0" | 01:44 |
| Bovinity | correct, the url | 01:44 |
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| THEO|WxC | OK, thanks. | 01:47 |
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| greg-g | "sweet, a button" | 02:36 |
| greg-g | http://www.linux.com/feature/141078 | 02:42 |
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| paulproteus | "We're going backwards slower." | 02:46 |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: regarding what you were doing today: http://www.cnbc.com/id/25586129 | 03:12 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 03:33 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 and legal intern at CC | 05:36 |
| davidmccabe | paulproteus, would you be kind enough to hand-hold me on this git process? | 05:45 |
| paulproteus | davidmccabe, Yes. | 05:45 |
| paulproteus | Let's effing do this. | 05:45 |
| paulproteus | davidmccabe, Can we do it with a shared terminal? | 05:46 |
| davidmccabe | OK, do I start by cloning your MW and making a branch? | 05:46 |
| davidmccabe | If you want. | 05:46 |
| paulproteus | I'd *love* to have us both SSH into a GNU screen instance somewhere and share with -x. | 05:46 |
| davidmccabe | I have never done that. | 05:46 |
| davidmccabe | shared a terminal that is. | 05:46 |
| davidmccabe | I've used screen. | 05:46 |
| paulproteus | It's easy - you just allow me to su to the user who owns the screen, and then I can run screen -x and we're both there. | 05:47 |
| davidmccabe | k. | 05:47 |
| paulproteus | If you don't want to do that we can do fiddly things with permissions. | 05:47 |
| paulproteus | But the easiest way is to just e.g. add my public key to that user's account. | 05:47 |
| davidmccabe | hmm | 05:48 |
| davidmccabe | do you have a server handy to do this on? | 05:48 |
| davidmccabe | mine doesn't have git. | 05:48 |
| davidmccabe | (I could install it if you don't have one handy) | 05:48 |
| paulproteus | I do, one sec. | 05:48 |
| paulproteus | Desired username? | 05:48 |
| paulproteus | (We'll do this on my personal server just for the fun of it.) | 05:48 |
| davidmccabe | david | 05:49 |
| davidmccabe | brb | 05:49 |
| paulproteus | Sure. | 05:49 |
| paulproteus | You're going to want to rsync over your existing svn checkout too, btw. | 05:49 |
| greg-g | paulproteus' night will be complete, he will have helped someone learn git. | 05:49 |
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| davidmccabe | well I'm already a convert, just a newbie, so I dunno if that counts. | 05:52 |
| paulproteus | Just SSH in and do 'screen -x' | 05:52 |
| paulproteus | You're going to need to rsync in your key. | 05:56 |
| paulproteus | Your ~/.ssh/. | 05:56 |
| paulproteus | (hi?) | 05:56 |
| davidmccabe | sorry, I thought you wanted to talk there. | 05:57 |
| davidmccabe | and was putting up with it :P | 05:57 |
| paulproteus | heh (-: | 05:57 |
| paulproteus | If you don't feel comfortable giving me your private key, then we can just generate a new one for this account. | 05:57 |
| paulproteus | If you generate it there, I'll add it to the git config's whitelist. | 05:57 |
| davidmccabe | nah, whatever. | 05:57 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 05:57 |
| paulproteus | I promise not to do anything untoward. | 05:57 |
| davidmccabe | damn. msg me the password again please? | 05:58 |
| davidmccabe | (I closed the window) | 05:58 |
| paulproteus | No id_* | 05:59 |
| paulproteus | 5684 KiB/s, | 06:01 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 06:01 |
| davidmccabe | make a branch? | 06:02 |
| paulproteus | Not yet. | 06:02 |
| davidmccabe | k | 06:02 |
| paulproteus | First we need to latch ourselves onto the version of MW you based off. | 06:02 |
| davidmccabe | is this synced up with the SVN trunk in some way? | 06:02 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, each git commit stores the svn revision it comes from. | 06:03 |
| paulproteus | Righ tnow, git svn find-rev is building a cache so it doesn't have to grep the commit messages every time. | 06:03 |
| paulproteus | Uh, that's interesting. | 06:04 |
| paulproteus | Unable to determine upstream SVN information from HEAD history | 06:04 |
| davidmccabe | :-/ | 06:05 |
| paulproteus | e69e06ca020ba07f8f5e02d583b0968320fd8459 | 06:05 |
| paulproteus | This seems to be what you based your changes on. | 06:05 |
| paulproteus | Do you see how I got that? | 06:05 |
| paulproteus | This is just git log; I used / to search for the revision # that your svn checkout said in svn info. | 06:06 |
| davidmccabe | am I in a pager right now? | 06:06 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, it's less. | 06:06 |
| davidmccabe | OK | 06:06 |
| paulproteus | So what we'll do is tell git we want to check out e69e06ca020ba07f8f5e02d583b0968320fd8459, then create a branch, then apply your patch, then commit, then push that branch to our MW git repo. | 06:06 |
| paulproteus | Correction: So what we'll do is tell git we want to check out e69e06ca020ba07f8f5e02d583b0968320fd8459, then create a branch, then switch to that branch, then apply your patch, then commit, then push that branch to our MW git repo. | 06:07 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Git_phrasebook may be of some use. | 06:07 |
| davidmccabe | do I want to do checkout -b? | 06:07 |
| paulproteus | I like the "git branch $branch_name ; git checkout $branch_name" style better. | 06:08 |
| paulproteus | What did you think "git checkout HEAD" did? | 06:09 |
| davidmccabe | this is *after* checking out the rev we started from? | 06:09 |
| paulproteus | FWIW, I think it was a no-op. | 06:09 |
| paulproteus | Right - this way, we're going to create a branch that forks off exactly the svn revision you were basing your work on. | 06:09 |
| davidmccabe | k | 06:09 |
| davidmccabe | how do I find out whether that was a noop or not? | 06:10 |
| paulproteus | Run just "git branch". | 06:10 |
| paulproteus | That shows you a list of branches. | 06:10 |
| davidmccabe | k. | 06:10 |
| davidmccabe | so it was a no-op. | 06:10 |
| paulproteus | Well, no - it made a branch rdfa. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | It just didn't put you on it. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | "git checkout HEAD" is pretty surely a no-op. | 06:11 |
| davidmccabe | that's what I meant. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | You don't know that this way. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | You know it from e.g. git log. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, it doesn't seem to have e69e06ca020ba07f8f5e02d583b0968320fd8459 at the top of the git log. | 06:11 |
| paulproteus | Or maybe I mis-read. | 06:12 |
| paulproteus | I'm so helpless without gitk. | 06:12 |
| davidmccabe | hehehe | 06:12 |
| davidmccabe | ready to apply the patch? | 06:12 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, one sec. | 06:13 |
| paulproteus | Good heavens, I'm clearly doing this wrong. | 06:14 |
| paulproteus | Clearly they want me to use git checkout -b. | 06:14 |
| davidmccabe | Hmm, should have brought a life-vest. | 06:14 |
| paulproteus | Er, or maybe I wasn't doing this wrong at all. | 06:14 |
| davidmccabe | The captain is scratching his head. | 06:14 |
| paulproteus | Apply your diff. | 06:14 |
| paulproteus | Yaar! | 06:14 |
| paulproteus | Wow, I also "svn diff > /tmp/lol" | 06:15 |
| paulproteus | Don't deal with the SMW stuff yet. | 06:15 |
| paulproteus | Just the mw patch. | 06:15 |
| davidmccabe | I was just going to dump it into a patch for later. | 06:15 |
| davidmccabe | but OK. | 06:15 |
| paulproteus | Okay, sure. | 06:15 |
| paulproteus | That's a fine idea. | 06:15 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 06:15 | |
| davidmccabe | saves walking around ;) | 06:15 |
| davidmccabe | of course the entire RDFa.php file is new | 06:16 |
| paulproteus | Great, so commit this, first of all. | 06:17 |
| paulproteus | And then push this branch to origin. | 06:17 |
| davidmccabe | just do 'git push'? | 06:18 |
| davidmccabe | oh I see you did it. | 06:18 |
| paulproteus | Does code.creativecommons.org agree that it's up? | 06:19 |
| davidmccabe | now we do the SMW stuff? | 06:19 |
| davidmccabe | let's see. | 06:19 |
| paulproteus | (No reason it shouldn't, I'm just exercising the /viewgit there.) | 06:19 |
| davidmccabe | it's up. | 06:19 |
| davidmccabe | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?url=mediawiki.git/log/&h=rdfa | 06:19 |
| davidmccabe | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?url=mediawiki.git/commit/&h=rdfa&id=f8101d8b6bc0aa608f75c87f36447695de3efc88 | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | david@unstable.makesad.us. | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | Hah. | 06:20 |
| davidmccabe | oops | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | Maybe we ought to redo this with a better git config? (-: | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | You wanna do some "git config --global"? | 06:20 |
| paulproteus | http://savannah.gnu.org/maintenance/UsingGit (Developer Setup) | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | We can probably just --amend and then make sure git log says it's okay. | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | Whoa, diff. author and commiter? | 06:21 |
| paulproteus | That's interesting. | 06:21 |
| davidmccabe | heh. | 06:21 |
| davidmccabe | push it? | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | Sure. | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | We'll probably need to --force the push. | 06:22 |
| davidmccabe | worked. | 06:22 |
| davidmccabe | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?url=mediawiki.git/commit/&h=rdfa&id=5fd50768de4d21d2bec17a41b131aed46463dad4 | 06:22 |
| paulproteus | Yippee kay-yi-aye. | 06:23 |
| paulproteus | So wanna repeat this for SMW? | 06:23 |
| davidmccabe | k | 06:23 |
| paulproteus | While I clean up some water I spilled on my kitchen table. | 06:23 |
| davidmccabe | hmmm, this branch doesn't even have SMW in it. | 06:24 |
| davidmccabe | so what do I do to add it before applying the patch? | 06:24 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, you're going to have to check out semanticmediawiki.git. | 06:24 |
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| davidmccabe | ah ok. | 06:24 |
| paulproteus | Also, btw, all three ways we create that git branch called rdfa were equivalent. | 06:24 |
| paulproteus | (git checkout $git_rev ; git branch $branch ; git checkout $branch) == (git checkout $git_rev ; git checkout -b $branch) == (git branch $branch $git_rev) | 06:25 |
| davidmccabe | sheesh, I'm a klutz. | 06:26 |
| paulproteus | You'll probably want to use the same git log to find the svn revision you based off. | 06:26 |
| davidmccabe | oh, right. | 06:26 |
| paulproteus | The same git log + svn info trick I used, I mean. | 06:26 |
| paulproteus | That's what I mean. | 06:27 |
| davidmccabe | ok I am missing my backspace, C-a, C-k, etc. | 06:27 |
| paulproteus | C-a you can get with C-a a | 06:27 |
| davidmccabe | oh right. | 06:27 |
| paulproteus | git log, then slash for that revision # | 06:28 |
| davidmccabe | not found. | 06:28 |
| paulproteus | You probably want to look for the Last Modified At: revision # | 06:28 |
| paulproteus | Since svn revision numbers are global across the repository. | 06:28 |
| davidmccabe | ah-hah. | 06:29 |
| davidmccabe | still not found. | 06:29 |
| paulproteus | ...curious. | 06:29 |
| paulproteus | lemme see | 06:29 |
| paulproteus | I... totally agree. | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | Uh, this repo hasn't been updated since May 7 2008, it says!? | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | wtf, my fault. | 06:30 |
| paulproteus | One sec. | 06:30 |
| davidmccabe | the git repo that is? | 06:30 |
| davidmccabe | the svn should be more recent. | 06:31 |
| paulproteus | The git repo, right. | 06:31 |
| paulproteus | Fixing this. | 06:31 |
| paulproteus | Blah, I hit a git-svn bug and may have to do re-do the import of SMW. | 06:32 |
| davidmccabe | :( | 06:32 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I know what the issue is. | 06:34 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 06:34 |
| paulproteus | Sweet, I seem to have fixed it. | 06:34 |
| paulproteus | Give me 10m or so to finish an import. | 06:35 |
| davidmccabe | beers around | 06:35 |
| davidmccabe | k. | 06:35 |
| paulproteus | BTW, where in the world are you that being awake now is sensible? | 06:35 |
| davidmccabe | west coast?!?! | 06:35 |
| davidmccabe | it's not late until 3 am. | 06:36 |
| paulproteus | I pretty much agree. | 06:36 |
| paulproteus | It's just that everyone I talk to online is on the east coast. | 06:36 |
| davidmccabe | ah. | 06:36 |
| paulproteus | So I'm always shocked when there are people awake at this hour. | 06:36 |
| jibot | AMathews is a GSoC student working on the joys of SVG filters and an italian pesto addicted guy | 06:37 |
| davidmccabe | mmm, random facts from jibot! | 06:37 |
| davidmccabe | jibot seeing ghosts? | 06:37 |
| paulproteus | davidmccabe, Okay, the SMW git repo is now up to date. | 06:39 |
| paulproteus | How about you do a fresh clone and blow away what you had? | 06:40 |
| davidmccabe | k. | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | The alternative is a git fetch ; git checkout origin/master | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | Which is fine too. | 06:40 |
| davidmccabe | is there a way to !-invoke subcommands? | 06:40 |
| davidmccabe | e.g. !git clone | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | I do this: | 06:40 |
| paulproteus | C-r git clone | 06:41 |
| davidmccabe | (I suppose that's a reason to use the hyphenated form) | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | C-r is a pretty good replace for !, though. | 06:41 |
| davidmccabe | whoa, sweet. | 06:41 |
| paulproteus | Wow, that regex is horrifying. | 06:43 |
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| davidmccabe | horrifying. | 06:44 |
| davidmccabe | yes. | 06:44 |
| davidmccabe | it was already there :) | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | Really? | 06:44 |
| davidmccabe | diff just isn't smart enough to see what I did. | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | So why is it minused or plussed then, I wonder? | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I thikn I see. | 06:44 |
| davidmccabe | well, I (temporarily) commented out the existing copy, added a new copy. | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | Any reason for that? | 06:44 |
| paulproteus | Can you clean that up? | 06:44 |
| davidmccabe | yes, commit first :P | 06:45 |
| davidmccabe | right? | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | You could clean it up in a later commit on the branch. | 06:45 |
| davidmccabe | that's what I meant. | 06:45 |
| paulproteus | Sure, okay with me. | 06:45 |
| davidmccabe | git push origin rdfa? | 06:47 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 06:47 |
| davidmccabe | k | 06:47 |
| davidmccabe | now where do I put extensions/RDFa? | 06:47 |
| paulproteus | Let me create a space for you in our git land. | 06:48 |
| davidmccabe | k | 06:48 |
| davidmccabe | it's conceivable this will actually all be rolled into SMW itself. | 06:48 |
| davidmccabe | the code would actually be cleaner than way I think. and it's a pretty straightforward and obvious feature. | 06:48 |
| paulproteus | If you think so, you could just make it a series of patches in your rdfa branch of SMW. | 06:49 |
| davidmccabe | hmmm, maybe I should. | 06:49 |
| davidmccabe | you'd have to give me a moment to rearrange things. | 06:49 |
| paulproteus | Well in that case maybe you should commit this thing right now, so that e.g. nathany (who was very curious to see what you had done) and nkinkade (obviously) can see where you are. | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | Unless "a moment" is like 5m-1h or something. | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | In which case, whatever, go ahead. | 06:50 |
| davidmccabe | a moment is like 10m? | 06:50 |
| paulproteus | Great, have a blast. | 06:51 |
| davidmccabe | oh yeah, I have two nathans to keep track of now. | 06:51 |
| davidmccabe | in addition to two VCSs. | 06:51 |
| * paulproteus chuckles. | 06:51 | |
| paulproteus | A tale of Two Nathans, Two VCSs, and Two Projects. | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | Plus often another David comes onto the IRC channel. | 06:51 |
| paulproteus | BTW, now that these branches exist in the code.cc repo, you can clone them and work on them from any machine. | 06:57 |
| davidmccabe | Problem is, I can't run your version of MW. | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | Also looks like you missed SMW_RDFa.php. | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | That's not entirely accurate. | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | I can help you run it. | 06:58 |
| davidmccabe | OK. | 06:58 |
| davidmccabe | what do you mean I missed it? | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | I mean, was it included in the diff? | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | If so, never mind. | 06:58 |
| davidmccabe | no. | 06:58 |
| davidmccabe | this concerns the renaming of files we were just talking about. | 06:58 |
| paulproteus | If you know what you're talking about then I'll defer to you. | 06:58 |
| davidmccabe | on my local copy I did: | 06:59 |
| paulproteus | I find myself very tired all of a sudden. | 06:59 |
| davidmccabe | I don't blame you :) | 06:59 |
| paulproteus | I'll brb after brushing teeth + changing to pajamas. | 06:59 |
| paulproteus | Do whatever reasonable things you want in the meantime. | 06:59 |
| paulproteus | rehi. | 07:14 |
| davidmccabe | hi | 07:14 |
| davidmccabe | well the code is up anyways. | 07:15 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 07:15 |
| davidmccabe | Thanks so much for your help | 07:15 |
| paulproteus | Sure. Let me know if I can be of further use. | 07:17 |
| davidmccabe | You can. | 07:17 |
| davidmccabe | I might be on tomorrow night, but more likely Friday. | 07:17 |
| davidmccabe | This was a big help. | 07:17 |
| paulproteus | Okay, great. | 07:18 |
| paulproteus | Tomorrow night I'll be on an airplane anyway. | 07:19 |
| davidmccabe | OK. | 07:19 |
| davidmccabe | going anywhere fun? | 07:19 |
| paulproteus | Baltimore, to start with. | 07:20 |
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| davidmccabe | Anyways I'm out. Thanks again. | 07:33 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 and legal intern at CC | 10:22 |
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| Karzex | Hello | 11:04 |
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| jibot | paulproteus is Asheesh Laroia | 14:07 |
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| jibot | nathany is teh preacher of teh gozpl of teh Ceiling Cat and witness to teh menny divine miraclz of Ceiling Cat | 14:31 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Mornin'. | 14:35 |
| nathany | morning | 14:37 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i saw your message re: icons | 14:38 |
| nathany | i need to think about it a bit but i think i'd prefer to have another object in the mix that has different size representations available (so we're not adding to the metadata of every license every time we add a new size, design, represenation, etc) | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | I can understand that. I'll be in by 8; let's talk then. | 14:40 |
| nathany | ok | 14:41 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, The Exif RDF schema gives length and width separately: http://www.w3.org/2003/12/exif/ | 15:18 |
| paulproteus | (that's fine by me) | 15:18 |
| paulproteus | It also gives _unknown. | 15:19 |
| paulproteus | nathany, foaf:Image used by http://www.kanzaki.com/test/exif2rdf | 15:20 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 15:21 |
| paulproteus | http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#term_dnaChecksum | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | nathany, http://dublincore.org/usage/terms/history/ description | 15:30 |
| paulproteus | "reference to a graphical representation of content" | 15:31 |
| paulproteus | fwiw | 15:31 |
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| greg-g | if I were to make a call from the couch room, it is the usual 9 to get an outside line? | 15:41 |
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| nathany | greg-g: yes | 15:49 |
| greg-g | nathany: thanks | 15:49 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, BTW I helped davidmccabe commit some fun stuff. | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | Maybe he'll come by later and explain it better. | 16:00 |
| nathany | cool | 16:00 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:01 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 16:06 |
| greg-g | well then, no call for me | 16:09 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 16:11 |
| greg-g | for those of you who like to have many terminals open: I've been hearing good things about Terminator: http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/ | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | I should read about this. | 16:12 |
| paulproteus | omfg yes. | 16:12 |
| paulproteus | My life. | 16:12 |
| greg-g | haha | 16:12 |
| paulproteus | Improved. | 16:12 |
| paulproteus | Oh, but wait. | 16:13 |
| greg-g | ? | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | Can focus follows mouse switch which is focused? | 16:13 |
| * paulproteus finds out | 16:13 | |
| paulproteus | Even if not, I get to have "terminal stacks" now. | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | Finally! | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | I hope. | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | Let's see. | 16:13 |
| paulproteus | Terminals that support push and pop and stay together. | 16:14 |
| paulproteus | Just as I feared/hoped: It's in Python. | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | Okay, there are keyboard commands for switching, which is fine. | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | http://packages.debian.org/sid/terminator is a release behind. | 16:16 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 16:16 |
| paulproteus | There's a PPA; let's see if that trans-ports nicely. | 16:16 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: yeah, the lead dev works for canonical | 16:19 |
| nathany | paulproteus: did you want me to set DNS for the domains to those addresses or add DNS entries to resolve the addresses to those machines? | 16:21 |
| paulproteus | nathany, The former. | 16:21 |
| paulproteus | I plan to work on that project on Friday in Baltimore instead of helping my friends with their programming contest. | 16:21 |
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| paulproteus | Yo ankitg! | 16:24 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: Hello | 16:24 |
| * ankitg is now back in SG and took a look at the 2003 time-series data ... =) | 16:26 | |
| paulproteus | Does it make some sense? | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | I don't think we've done any sanity-checking of it. | 16:27 |
| paulproteus | But either way, we should talk about deliverables for your mid-term. | 16:27 |
| ankitg | we could do the checks if we had access to the text files ... | 16:27 |
| ankitg | ah yes, for GSoC, I've figured out the GZiP module and am building the scripts around sisynala.main ... or parts thereof ... | 16:28 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Oh, I can put the text files on the web. | 16:29 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Great, keep me posted. | 16:29 |
| paulproteus | There are precious days left! | 16:29 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 16:30 |
| paulproteus | re: sanity: I meant the sanity of the actual querying, assuming the import went fine. | 16:30 |
| paulproteus | greg-g++ # I owe you | 16:31 |
| ankitg | I will keep you posted ... we can check the sanity by comparing the CSV to the text files ... if you could up them in the same place, that would be convenient ... (-: | 16:31 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: I still owe you a bottle of wine, so I guess now we'll just share it? :) | 16:32 |
| paulproteus | Or we could just buy each other a bottle and each drink the other's? | 16:33 |
| greg-g | hmmmm... I like that idea | 16:34 |
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| hdworak | hi | 16:42 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: nathany, Semantic MediaWiki 1.2 is officially released today. are you planning to update ? | 16:53 |
| nathany | planning to, yes; i'm a little worried that things will massively break in teamspace :/ | 16:53 |
| Steren | I'm not sure, there seam to be some compatibility, in fact on my local teamspace, I didn't noticed bugs, exept for semantc Tasks : / | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Does this mean that you'd like for me to upgrade or to wait? | 16:54 |
| nathany | Steren: so you will or have already fixed the bugs in Semantic Tasks related to 1.2, right? | 16:55 |
| nathany | let nkinkade know when those are fixed and then we'll upgrade | 16:56 |
| Steren | no I thought I fixed the Semantic Tasks bug, but in fact it isn't. I spent ~4 hours trying yesterday, but I did'nt suceeded | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Know who/if we're sending (anyone) to SIGGRAPH in LA Aug 17? | 16:56 |
| nathany | we're not, AFAIK | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | The dude said we have a booth. | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Which I find somewhat surprising. | 16:57 |
| nathany | ask rejon | 16:57 |
| * paulproteus nods | 16:57 | |
| paulproteus | He'll mail me and I'll bounce to cc-staff. | 16:57 |
| nathany | ok | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Howdy hdworak. | 16:57 |
| hdworak | hi :) | 17:01 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 17:07 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 17:08 |
| Bovinity | ?learn Bovinity is aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 17:08 |
| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 17:08 |
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| jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 17:17 |
| currybot | jibot: mmm... curry... | 17:17 |
| Bovinity | currybot: list | 17:17 |
| currybot | (1) PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) | 17:17 |
| currybot | (2) KOTTU CHITINAD (Fresh Vegetables cooked in coconut, curry leaves and mustard seeds curry) | 17:17 |
| currybot | (3) MURAG MADIRA (Chicken cubes cooked in curry flavored with rum) | 17:17 |
| currybot | (4) PORK HARAYALA (Pork cubes cooked in fresh spinach, red onions, and tomato gravy) | 17:17 |
| Bovinity | hooray! | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Ooh, I like spinach. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | And I like Paneer. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | I'm tempted. | 17:18 |
| Bovinity | i'm glad they brought back the murag madira | 17:19 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 17:19 |
| currybot | PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) (Homemade Cottage Cheese cooked with fresh minced onions, garlic with diced tomato and green peas) Our Chef’s special preparation of the day!! | 17:19 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 17:19 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 17:27 |
| nathany | Bovinity: mmm.... rum... | 17:30 |
| Bovinity | nathany: mmmm | 17:30 |
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| paulproteus | rumbot, list | 17:31 |
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| paulproteus | bamboozlebot, list | 17:32 |
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| bamboozlebot | On the menu today | 17:33 |
| bamboozlebot | [1] TRICKS | 17:34 |
| bamboozlebot | [2] SCHEMES | 17:34 |
| bamboozlebot | [3] TOMFOOLERY | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | 2 3 combo with naan | 17:34 |
| greg-g | nice | 17:35 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: git is being weird with config options and such. let me know when you have a minute. | 17:36 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 17:39 |
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| paulproteus | Trick of the week: | 18:08 |
| paulproteus | gdb -p $(pidof rsync) | 18:09 |
| paulproteus | call exit(0) | 18:09 |
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| Bovinity | currybot alert is kinda creepy | 18:24 |
| currybot | Bovinity: mmm... curry... | 18:24 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Bovinity, I'm thinking of getting an XTi Real Soon and playing with it so I can take some reasonably nice pictures when I'm in Argentina. | 18:57 |
| nathany | cool | 18:57 |
| ftobia | currybot: currycabal | 18:57 |
| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 18:57 |
| Bovinity | paulproteus: rad | 18:58 |
| ftobia | currybot: curryites | 18:58 |
| currybot | bovinity, tim_hwang, brianrowe, ftobia, currybot_plus, Steren, nathany, and greg-g are members of the curry cabal. | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | (a) Is that a reasonable camera to get? (b) Should I get a lens other than the kit? | 18:58 |
| ftobia | Bovinity: you can unsubscribe :) | 18:58 |
| nathany | a) YES | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | when are you in argentina? | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | I don't want to spend thousands of dollars all at once. (-: | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Aug 1-17 | 18:58 |
| nathany | b) get the 50mm 1.4 (it's like $80) | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | XS may be available by then | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | 12 MP, from what I saw. | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | XS is the XSi's baby brother | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. | 18:58 |
| Bovinity | 10mp, a couple other downgrades, but all the other improvements | 18:59 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | amazon have the xsi kit for 829 | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | http://www.ritzcamera.com/product/541162707.htm?utm_medium=productsearch&utm_source=google claims Late August 2008. | 19:00 |
| Bovinity | dunno why you wouldn't go for xsi | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, I have no idea either. *shrug* | 19:01 |
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| paulproteus | XSi it will be then. | 19:53 |
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| rejon | brianrowe: what is your cc email? | 20:10 |
| rejon | ok, nm...found brianrowe | 20:10 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: the Semantic Media Wiki used on the CCwiki, is a normal install, not a svn check out, yes ? | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | Steren: No, I think it's a subversion checkout. | 20:24 |
| Steren | ok, so how do we proceed to add my very very small patch exactly ? | 20:25 |
| Steren | I could directly modify the file | 20:25 |
| nathany | greg-g: is that bug you just reported re: Yahoo search for search.cc.org? | 20:28 |
| greg-g | nathany: yes | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Steren, nkinkade, this is what git+wiki is for. | 20:32 |
| nathany | i wasn't clear why you reported it for mozcc | 20:32 |
| greg-g | nathany: didn't know where else to put it | 20:32 |
| nathany | actually, can you show me what the bug is? i think i understand but want to be sure... | 20:32 |
| greg-g | first thing that came to mind is the search box that brought me there | 20:32 |
| greg-g | nathany: y | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | Steren: For the moment you can simply manually edit the file or apply a patch ... it'll show up in the svn diffs. | 20:33 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 20:35 |
| Steren | paulproteus: nkinkade: If I understand well, SMW is checked out from SMW SVN to our git repository ? | 20:35 |
| Steren | nathany: can you create a new git repository named "SemanticEditTime", it's to store my little extension | 20:38 |
| nathany | Steren: sure, one second | 20:39 |
| nkinkade | Steren: I think that right, re: SMW. | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus has a cron job that git-svn's the SMW stuff to our git repository night(?) | 20:40 |
| nathany | Steren: the repository is enabled in git | 20:40 |
| Steren | great | 20:40 |
| nathany | see http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way (the last half of "Creating new repositories") for information on how to populate it | 20:41 |
| nathany | Steren: ^^ | 20:41 |
| tim_hwang | esther press release is out of the cage | 20:50 |
| tim_hwang | fyi | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | git push --all # is the best way | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | That documentation is old, Steren. | 20:50 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Right | 20:50 |
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| greg-g | JsWidget -> LicenseChooser.js conversion - find/replaced jswidget/licensechooser to create http://wiki.creativecommons.org/LicenseChooser.js | 20:57 |
| greg-g | including the /Plan and /Security pages | 20:57 |
| greg-g | if everything looks good, I can set up redirects from the now old pages | 20:57 |
| rejon | what else is necessary to semanticize that page? | 20:58 |
| nathany | i think i had an idea at one point that we'd have a "Project' template | 20:58 |
| nathany | probably a bad idea at this point... may as well kill that | 20:58 |
| rejon | aha, cool...it has the project template | 20:58 |
| rejon | so, its done! ;) | 20:59 |
| nathany | :) | 20:59 |
| nathany | thanks for the move work, greg-g | 20:59 |
| greg-g | np | 20:59 |
| rejon | that greg-g...he's good with names | 20:59 |
| greg-g | of course, all development stuff is still referred to as jswidget (the git repos, tracker on sf) | 20:59 |
| Steren | nathany: I have to modify gitosis.conf, but where can I find it ? have you created the repo ? git is still such a strange thing for me :/ | 21:00 |
| greg-g | that part would be up to you (nathay) on how to proceed | 21:01 |
| nathany | Steren: i already did that | 21:01 |
| nathany | all you have to do is git remote add origin... blah, blah | 21:01 |
| Steren | oh ok | 21:01 |
| nathany | i basically told gitosis "hey, if asked, you do know about this repository" | 21:01 |
| nathany | so it'll respond correctly when you push things | 21:01 |
| nathany | greg-g: there's a tracker of SF for chooselicense.js? who knew | 21:02 |
| nathany | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/02/funny-pictures-invisible-segway/ | 21:02 |
| greg-g | nathany: this, mainly :http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80503&package_id=239510 | 21:03 |
| Bovinity | nathany: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/funny-pictures-ten-commandments-of-ceiling-cat.jpg | 21:03 |
| greg-g | so, +1 on redirects (I like explicitness) | 21:05 |
| greg-g | ? | 21:05 |
| nathany | greg-g: yes | 21:05 |
| greg-g | k | 21:06 |
| greg-g | done | 21:09 |
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| mlinksva | tim_hwang, Bovinity i think the EW post needs a category to appear @ ccL | 21:25 |
| Bovinity | yep, just noticed | 21:25 |
| Bovinity | mlinksva: fixed. ccl.cc.o will take a while to refresh, but it's in the feeds. | 21:27 |
| mlinksva | cool | 21:27 |
| tim_hwang | mlinksva -- gah, just caught that, thanks Bovinity | 21:35 |
| rejon | @cchelpbot | 21:41 |
| cchelpbot | rejon: Error: "cchelpbot" is not a valid command. | 21:41 |
| rejon | @cchelpbot help | 21:45 |
| cchelpbot | rejon: Error: "cchelpbot" is not a valid command. | 21:45 |
| rejon | @help | 21:45 |
| cchelpbot | rejon: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 21:45 |
| greg-g | @list | 21:45 |
| cchelpbot | greg-g: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Misc, Owner, and User | 21:45 |
| Steren | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking_Text is really ugly on my computer | 21:52 |
| mlinksva | tim_hwang: check the PR "more about" heading -- spellng | 21:56 |
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| jibot | veeliam is William Lawrence <http://zaxbypass.com> | 21:57 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 22:17 |
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| hdworak | whee, rdflib serializes to n3 which it then can't parse! | 22:49 |
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| hdworak | How to handle DC.rights.license and such when it comes to RDF and SPARQL? The problem is that if DC is considered as a namespace (such as pyRdfa parses it), then we end up with an element named "rights.license" (RDF/XML) or broken n3 (because of the full stop). | 23:03 |
| hdworak | nathany, paulproteus: ^^^ | 23:03 |
| nathany | hdworak: you're trying to turn dc.rights.license, specified in a meta tag, into RDF? | 23:07 |
| hdworak | yes, no problem w/ DC.rights for instance | 23:07 |
| nathany | right | 23:07 |
| hdworak | the problem is the refinement like .license added | 23:07 |
| hdworak | because this translates to <dc:rights.license in RDF/XML (element name can't contain a full stop) | 23:08 |
| hdworak | or broken n3 (full stop has a special meaning) | 23:08 |
| nathany | rigt | 23:08 |
| nathany | so iirc that actually models a three-level RDF structure | 23:08 |
| nathany | so you can either a) special case it and split on "." with blank nodes or b) not turn it into RDF :) | 23:08 |
| hdworak | what is the RDF representation of <link rel="DC.rights.license" href="http://www.example.org/" /> ? | 23:09 |
| nathany | option c), I think, is to skip it for now and circle back later once the "80%" functionality is done | 23:09 |
| nathany | <> <DC:rights> <:_b0> | 23:09 |
| nathany | <:_b0> <DC:license> <http://example.org> | 23:09 |
| nathany | so you have a blank node in the middle there | 23:09 |
| hdworak | ok, then this is a limitation of Dublin Core transformer (DublinCore.py) of pyRdfa | 23:10 |
| nathany | ah possibly | 23:11 |
| hdworak | thank you very much | 23:11 |
| hdworak | would take me ages to figure this one out | 23:11 |
| nathany | np | 23:13 |
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| nkinkade | greg-g: Do you happen to know the name of the tool for editing Debian changlogs? I can do it by hand, but I remember paulproteus showing me a nice tool for it once. | 23:36 |
| nkinkade | Ah, just found it "dch" | 23:39 |
| greg-g | dch -i # to increment the version number | 23:41 |
| greg-g | I have only done a litle bit of reading for packaging stuff | 23:42 |
| Steren | nkinkade: don't update Teamspace with SMW 1.2 Semantik Tasks is broken AND so does Semantic Calendar | 23:44 |
| Steren | we have the same problem | 23:45 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Okay, I'll wait until you tell me it's okay. | 23:45 |
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| * paulproteus waves to nkinkade et al | 23:57 | |
| nkinkade | hola paulproteus. | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | Boy, Rapid Rescue to the rescue! | 23:58 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, What'd you do? )-: | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | When I came back from lunch that cp -ax was still going so I killed it. | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | I then copied each directory over manually and it worked fine. | 23:58 |
| nkinkade | My mistake was copying the symlinks vmlinuz and initrd.img manually. | 23:59 |
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