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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 01:24 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 09:32 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 09:44 |
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| conley | Hey, I think I remember some talk on the CC blog about creating free T&C templates for websites using CC. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? | 09:52 |
| conley | paulproteus? | 09:54 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 10:10 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 10:12 |
| nathany | conley: paulproteus isn't in yet this morning | 10:12 |
| nathany | there was a site doing that in a wiki-like fashion | 10:12 |
| nathany | ourterms.org, i think | 10:12 |
| conley | thank you | 10:13 |
| nathany | sure | 10:13 |
| paulproteus | conley, Morning. | 10:14 |
| * paulproteus rubs his eyes | 10:15 | |
| conley | morning | 10:15 |
| paulproteus | ourterms, yes. | 10:15 |
| conley | It doesn't seem to exist | 10:15 |
| conley | you sure it's not something else? | 10:16 |
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| nathany | ownterms.org? | 10:16 |
| conley | yes! thanks | 10:16 |
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| hdworak | hi | 10:35 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: when parsing XML/XHTML/HTML, is there something wrong with proceeding directly to prettyfied BeautifulSoup? | 10:37 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, I guess if the page is valid XHTML, then running it through BeautifulSoup might actually damage it. | 10:59 |
| paulproteus | I've seen cases of BeautifulSoup doing that, but you should probably file a BeautifulSoup bug if it ever does that for you. | 10:59 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 11:05 |
| mecredis | rejon: ...? | 11:06 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 11:10 |
| nathany | http://xkcd.com/ | 11:11 |
| nathany | (today's is amusing) | 11:11 |
| greg-g | the alt text makes it for me today | 11:12 |
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| mlinksva | greg-g: Know Your Vines? | 11:19 |
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| Steren | nkinkade: http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/07/01/rdfa-for-semantic-mediawiki-gsoc-2008/ Strangethe page doesn't load | 11:20 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: I like to think I do | 11:20 |
| nkinkade | Steren: Hmmm. Let me take a closer look. | 11:21 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 11:21 |
| hdworak | what happened to techblog? has it been officially renamed? | 11:22 |
| Bovinity | yes | 11:22 |
| Bovinity | it's at labs.cc.org now | 11:22 |
| hdworak | thnx | 11:22 |
| Bovinity | oh man, i hope the christian coalition don't have a labs... | 11:23 |
| nathany | speaking of xkcd, my boyfriend pointed this one out to me: http://xkcd.com/355/ | 11:24 |
| greg-g | nathany: your boyfriend or your "it's complicated"? | 11:25 |
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| nathany | greg-g: well that comic was the reason we were listed as "it's complicated" on facebook for a few months... but then it got to annoying trying to explain to people "no no, its a joke!" | 11:26 |
| nathany | (not that labeling it as a "boyfriend" relationship really decreases the complication) | 11:27 |
| greg-g | haha, oh internet jokes that creap into real life | 11:27 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Does this single post page look okay to you: http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/07/01/rdfa-for-semantic-mediawiki-gsoc-2008/ | 11:34 |
| nkinkade | I just whacked about 4/5 of the entire single.php file, because it was the stuff that drives the CC site. | 11:34 |
| Bovinity | can't say the categories list is working for me | 11:35 |
| nkinkade | Well, do it up, then. | 11:35 |
| nkinkade | I'm not graphic designer. | 11:35 |
| nathany | btw, what about killing the tag cloud and just showing tags/categories below the individual posts? | 11:37 |
| nathany | just a thought | 11:37 |
| nathany | Bovinity, nkinkade ^^ | 11:37 |
| nkinkade | That's fine with me. I don't have an opinion about that one way or the other. | 11:38 |
| nkinkade | It would be trivial to implement, so I'll leave the decision someone else, but I'll be happy to implement it. | 11:39 |
| greg-g | btw, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume this office as a set of laptop-size screwdrivers that one can use. | 11:40 |
| nathany | greg-g: see nkinkade | 11:41 |
| Bovinity | contextually, it would make more sense to put the post categories in the sidebar, instead of hte tagcloud | 11:41 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: won't be need them now (laptop-sized screwdrivers) but probably next week | 11:45 |
| greg-g | s/need/needing | 11:45 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: There is a tiny molded plastic tool box on top the roll-around file cabinet by desk. You can grab that anytime you need it. | 11:46 |
| nkinkade | (by *my* desk, that is) | 11:46 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: thankya | 11:47 |
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| Bovinity | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-basement-cat-recruitment-team.jpg | 11:48 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 11:52 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: do we need an alternate sidebar file for single.php pages, or can widgets be made to only appear on some pages? | 12:10 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you want to change the sidebar totally for single.php? | 12:12 |
| nkinkade | I'm sure you could just add additional code to sidebar.php to override the widget code in the event that the current script is single.php. | 12:12 |
| Bovinity | but that would override all the widgets | 12:13 |
| nkinkade | But it seems to me like a consistent sidebar wouldn't be a bad thing. | 12:13 |
| nkinkade | You just want to override specific widgets? | 12:13 |
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| nkinkade | That would probably be possible as well, but would likely involve modifying Wordpress code. | 12:14 |
| Bovinity | nah, that seems like unncessary extra work | 12:14 |
| Bovinity | i'll implement the idea i had last night | 12:14 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, to change the way the widgets get displayed you'd probably have to hack on dynamic_sidebar() | 12:15 |
| nkinkade | But, I agree, better to just implement something simple for the moment. | 12:15 |
| Bovinity | i'll just be a curmudgeon, and hate on widgets under my breath. | 12:15 |
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| nkinkade | I love the widget stuff when it does just what I want, and when it doesn't I hate it, too. | 12:17 |
| nkinkade | But that holds true for anything I've ever encountered. :-) | 12:18 |
| nkinkade | But then again the whole widget thing is somewhat of a micro-case of the whole Wordpress paradign. | 12:18 |
| nkinkade | Rapid development in which you agree to settle and give up a certain amount of control. | 12:19 |
| Bovinity | i've never been a fan, but i'm sure it's super useful for wordpress.com and users of generic themes | 12:19 |
| nkinkade | s/paradign/paradigm/ | 12:19 |
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| Bovinity | from a design perspective, they're very limiting | 12:19 |
| nkinkade | Exactly, it seems to work great when you are happy with the limited palate of options that are given to you. | 12:20 |
| nkinkade | And this might be true for most users of Wordpress. | 12:20 |
| Bovinity | the majority, yeah | 12:23 |
| Bovinity | i'm sure | 12:23 |
| Bovinity | is that Meta section a widget? | 12:24 |
| Bovinity | we don't need that | 12:24 |
| Bovinity | ack, rss link is wrong! | 12:25 |
| mlinksva | tim_hwang: http://www.slideshare.net/mlinksva/slideshows | 12:26 |
| mlinksva | http://meeting.creativecommons.org.tw/program:cc-adoption-metrics | 12:26 |
| mlinksva | http://meeting.creativecommons.org.tw/program:licensing-attitudes-in-asia-and-mis-perceptions-of-free-culture | 12:28 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus_: ping | 12:44 |
| rejon | good dimsum recommendation for tim_hwang: http://www.yelp.com/biz/lichee-garden-restaurant-san-francisco | 12:48 |
| Bovinity | +1 ^^ | 12:49 |
| Bovinity | rejon: should we do some dimsum sunday with 33% more intern? | 12:49 |
| rejon | yeah! | 12:50 |
| ftobia | dimsum++ | 12:50 |
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| paulproteus | Mmm, intern. | 12:52 |
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| jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 12:52 |
| paulproteus | Salaam, and good evening to you, my curry friend. | 12:52 |
| Bovinity | currybot: 3 | 12:53 |
| currybot | RAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri) Cardamom is used mainly in the preparation of Aryuvedic medicines relating to bad breath and mouth odor. This flavorful chicken curry is prepared by seasoning chicken cubes with ‘Kachri’ a kind of dry baby melon flour and low sodium rock salt, and then the chicken is cooked with the base of red onions, garlic, ginger and several spices. | 12:53 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | currybot: list | 12:53 |
| currybot | (1) TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) | 12:53 |
| currybot | (2) DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry) | 12:53 |
| currybot | (3) RAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri) | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | ooh | 12:53 |
| Bovinity | currybot: 1 | 12:53 |
| currybot | TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) Small cubes of fresh Tofu prepared in with garlic, ginger, onion and tomato. Seasoned with the lovely flavor of India’s best GARAM MASALA – fresh roasted cardamom. Cumin, coriander, cloves and cinnamon seeds stone grounded as in Indian villages!! | 12:53 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | Oh, no, fake paneer from my childhood! | 12:53 |
| ftobia | currybot: 4 | 12:53 |
| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity, Looks like you'll get 100% less dim sum at http://www.yelp.com/biz/lichee-garden-restaurant-san-francisco now. | 12:54 |
| ftobia | there's a #4 that currybot choked on.. | 12:54 |
| Bovinity | horrified! | 12:54 |
| Bovinity | about lichee garden | 12:55 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: I can has internet now ... getting back to work ... need Amazon cert from you to get EC2 going ... | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Oh, awesome. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | If you can do some of the analysis locally rather than having to sysadmin a new virtual machine in Amazon space, that'd probably be way easier. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | But if you ask me again, I will get you that Amazon EC2 cert lickety-split. | 12:55 |
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| greg-g | currybot: 2 | 12:56 |
| currybot | DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry) This dish comes from Northern India. This vegetarian delight is prepared with cauliflower, eggplant, blue lake beans, potatoes, red bell peppers, mushrooms, and plantains in a heavy wok like Kadhai called Handi. The base is prepared with red onions, garlic, ginger and fenugreek leaves. | 12:56 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 12:56 |
| ftobia | "vegetarian delight" | 12:56 |
| ankitg | I will do whatever can locally ... but eventually this would need to go up on EC2 ... | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | Like Turkish delight, it is made from real vegetarians. | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Sure - I suggest writing the code locally and worrying about EC2 later. | 12:57 |
| ankitg | noted | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade is the "expert" on the Amazon stuff, at least better than me. Ping him (and also ping me so I know what you're up to) to bug him for that cert when you want it. | 12:57 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: Just out of curiosity, have you been able to find all of the logs, or at least some of them in a reasonable way? | 12:57 |
| ankitg | nkinkade: yes, S3 is working fine, I can view and grab whichever log I have been granted access to ... which seems to be all of the cc bucket | 12:58 |
| nkinkade | It uses sort of pseudo-filesystem-like names, which were designed to help find things. | 12:58 |
| nkinkade | haha. Yeah, you have access to the entire cc bucket. | 12:58 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: ps, when you nuked most of single.php, you also nuked hte comments code ;) | 12:58 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Ooopsy daisy. | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: The one thing I've worried that will be confusing is that for many of the Varnish logs there will be many logs for a given day, not just a single log file for each day. | 12:59 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: sorry for the radio license ... didn't have internet access for the past few days )-: | 12:59 |
| paulproteus | "radio license"? | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | ankitg: What are you using to browse the files? | 13:00 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: no replies to email / MIA / not there or IRC ... | 13:00 |
| * paulproteus nods | 13:00 | |
| ankitg | nkinkade: presently I have S3Browser.app ... I was looking to setup cyberduck ... I am on a mac | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | Usually they call it "radio silence". | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | I found all sorts of tools about 6 months ago, but none of them were perfect. The best to me seemed to be s3sync, a group of ruby scripts. | 13:01 |
| * ankitg loves them typos :P | 13:01 | |
| Bovinity | ankitg: Transmit supports S3 too | 13:01 |
| Bovinity | also see Jungledrive | 13:01 |
| nkinkade | I had tried to get JungleDisk going, but something wasn't working, and it's not free anyway, I think. | 13:01 |
| ankitg | Bovinity: I tried Jungledrive .. t mounted but didn't load anything ... I'll give transmit a go, thanks | 13:01 |
| mlinksva | hi ankitg! | 13:02 |
| ankitg | hello mlinksva ... | 13:02 |
| nkinkade | There was also an interesting Firefox plugin that seemed exceedingly dangerous as it would delete things without so much as a warning. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | lol, nkinkade! | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | BTW, ankitg, sorry I'll miss you in Sapporo! | 13:03 |
| nkinkade | Then again, neither does rm give much of a warning, usually. | 13:03 |
| mlinksva | we were just talking about your soc project :) | 13:03 |
| ankitg | mlinksva: I discovered that while reading a rather well-organized email from my mentor. =) ... | 13:04 |
| nkinkade | The FFx extension was more dangerous to me than rm because it's seemed pretty easy to me to click the wrong button or drag your mouse wrong and, bam!, hundreds of files are going, going, gone. | 13:04 |
| paulproteus | French Firefox | 13:04 |
| paulproteus | French Friesfox | 13:05 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: I can haz ability to edit the wiki.cc main page? (if not, can you copy over wiki.cc.org/GregTestPage to MainPage?) (I just added a section about the Case Studies) | 13:06 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: so i'll presently work with the logs locally ... and worry about un-zipping them etc, when we get to the EC2 part ... | 13:07 |
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| ftobia | currybot: 4 | 13:07 |
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| ftobia | currybot: 4 | 13:07 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: What is your login at the wiki? I see Greg, Greg.G and Greg.grossmeier | 13:08 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: Greg.grossmeier is my OpenID, but I created the Greg.G for editing access. | 13:10 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Editing wasn't working with your OpenID account? It should. | 13:11 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: I don't believe it was, lemme try again | 13:11 |
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| nkinkade | Greg.grossmeier is better anyway because it's more explict. | 13:12 |
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| ftobia | currybot: 4 | 13:12 |
| currybot | TOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA Home made Beef meatballs Braised in Fresh garlic, ginger, onions, and Roma Tomatoes Finished in a Masala of roasted Cinnamon Bark. An Excellent infusion With an Indian Flavor. This dish was specially created for the all season. | 13:12 |
| currybot | $6.00 | 13:12 |
| ftobia | currybot: list | 13:12 |
| currybot | (1) TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) | 13:12 |
| currybot | (2) DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry) | 13:12 |
| currybot | (3) RAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri) | 13:12 |
| currybot | (4) Couldn't parse (NONE) | 13:12 |
| Bovinity | Mmm, Couldn't parse. | 13:12 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: You should now be able to edit the main page. | 13:13 |
| rejon | dman, meatballs sound good | 13:14 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: i can edit http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuTakeOut.htm ? | 13:15 |
| paulproteus | No, the *main* page. | 13:15 |
| mlinksva | that's not the main page? | 13:15 |
| paulproteus | http://mehfilindian.com/ | 13:16 |
| Bovinity | redirect hte wiki to mehfil and call it a day | 13:16 |
| paulproteus | http://mehfilindian.com/Main_Page | 13:16 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: i will admit that git is pretty cool. | 13:16 |
| paulproteus | Really? Neat! | 13:16 |
| paulproteus | I wonder what makes you say that, since you weren't coerced by me. | 13:17 |
| nkinkade | Absolutely, mlinksva, just hop over to http://www.metasploit.com/ | 13:17 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: Greg.grossmeier (openid) can't edit any page, and Greg.G can't edit locked pages | 13:17 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: at this moment | 13:18 |
| ftobia | i spent the second half of yesterday actually learning git. it's starting to make sense, and once it's not so arcane it's quite powerful. | 13:18 |
| nkinkade | http://mehfilindian.com: Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 | 13:18 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Are you getting an error? Are you in the emailconfirmed group? | 13:18 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: ah, I hadn't confirmed my email for Greg.grossmeier | 13:20 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: all worky now, thanks | 13:20 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Okey dokey. I glady it worky now. | 13:21 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 13:21 |
| greg-g | :) | 13:21 |
| nkinkade | But, greg-g, was that an OpenID login? | 13:22 |
| nkinkade | I want to make sure that edits work as expected for everyone, including OpenID logins. | 13:23 |
| paulproteus | How inclusive of you! | 13:23 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Feel free to bug NK, honestly! | 13:23 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: yes, Greg.grossmeier is an OpenID login, where I can now edit pages (including locked pages, now) after doing the email confirmation | 13:24 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Oh, I missed your thing about working locally for now. Okay, but whenever you want, ping NK. (-: | 13:24 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: You can edit locked pages now because I added you to the Sysop group, but I'm glad to know that OpenID logins are able to edit. | 13:25 |
| nkinkade | I think I just found a bug in the Gmail interface. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | D'oh, that would be a bug in fmail too. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | So much for outsourcing the UI engineering to Google. | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | If I click on the "Seach Options" link multiple times before the page loads, then it shows multiple search boxes. | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | I wonder how many I can get to show. Currently 3. | 13:28 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, Glad to hear I'm not totally insane about thinking git is kinda cool. | 13:30 |
| paulproteus | I get worried when trendy people like what I like. | 13:30 |
| paulproteus | So hearing you like it is a relief! | 13:30 |
| paulproteus | Feel free to update http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=Git_phrasebook with things. | 13:31 |
| ftobia | awesome. | 13:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you upgrade Semantic Forms on teamspace at some point today to 1.2.5? i think it has a bug fix that i could use in melissa's grants app | 13:41 |
| paulproteus | mumble-grumble, MW git template | 13:43 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Sure. | 13:44 |
| nkinkade | I don't know why, but I just can't seem to get motivated about that MW git template. | 13:45 |
| nkinkade | It's a great idea and would save me lots of time, too. | 13:45 |
| paulproteus | Maybe we can spend a few hours hanging out in a conference room to have fear of my presence motivate you? | 13:45 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: this redland librdf package is sketching me out. is there some good reason you're it over other such packages? | 13:48 |
| paulproteus | I don't know, name an alternative? | 13:48 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 13:48 | |
| paulproteus | It's the only one I've used, but that doesn't mean I'm in love with it. | 13:48 |
| ftobia | okay good | 13:48 |
| ftobia | i can explain my reasons against it in person. you going to get curry? | 13:48 |
| paulproteus | No, I brought food today. | 13:49 |
| Bovinity | currybot: +1 | 13:49 |
| currybot | TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) Small cubes of fresh Tofu prepared in with garlic, ginger, onion and tomato. Seasoned with the lovely flavor of India’s best GARAM MASALA – fresh roasted cardamom. Cumin, coriander, cloves and cinnamon seeds stone grounded as in Indian villages!! | 13:49 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:49 |
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| Bovinity | O_O | 13:49 |
| paulproteus | currybot, -0 | 13:49 |
| currybot | paulproteus: mmm... curry... | 13:49 |
| ftobia | perhaps at lunch then. | 13:49 |
| ftobia | ..that was interesting. | 13:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It's SemanticForms is now at 1.2.5 on teamspace. | 13:49 |
| nathany | thanks! | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | The curry-bot is turning more into spam than anything. | 13:50 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade: mmm... spam... | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | Maybe we can create a new channel? #cc_curry | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It's likely that I can't motivate about the MW git template thing because I don't fully understand everything that underlies it and I feel like I'm just stepping through a checklist rather than really understanding what is going on. | 13:51 |
| paulproteus | Right, which is why me inspiring fear into you in person seems a good approach. | 13:51 |
| paulproteus | I mean, having me be available for questions and explanations. | 13:52 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sure. Let's do that, because it would really make a more sensible upgrade path for all the wikis rather than doing it all manually 5 times. | 13:52 |
| paulproteus | Super rad. | 13:52 |
| paulproteus | Maybe right after my lunch and before you go, or maybe after stand-up. | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | After the standup is good for me. | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | It would be super helpful to me, thanks. | 13:53 |
| paulproteus | All systems go, as we step into the Octagon. | 13:54 |
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| Steren | Can you hear that ? | 13:57 |
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| paulproteus | (no?) | 13:57 |
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| Steren | The sound of the rising curry | 13:57 |
| Steren | it's comming closer | 13:57 |
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| * ankitg darn you, CHUCK NORRIS! | 13:59 | |
| paulproteus | Bah, Varnish caching was breaking auto-updating feature of the ccLearn map. | 14:02 |
| * paulproteus configures an exclusion | 14:02 | |
| rejon | don't go get curry without me please :) | 14:02 |
| rejon | mike in i in room | 14:02 |
| Steren | rejon: we're leaving | 14:04 |
| Steren | last chance | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, "pipe" is what you found that is better than "pass", right? | 14:04 |
| paulproteus | re: varnish | 14:05 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Right. I found that in many cases where "pass" failed that "pipe" worked fine. | 14:05 |
| nkinkade | I'm not 100% sure what implications that has for performance. | 14:05 |
| paulproteus | non_failure > high_performance | 14:05 |
| rejon | ahhhhh | 14:07 |
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| jibot | parkerhiggins is an undergraduate at NYU and the treasurer of its Free Culture chapter. | 14:26 |
| mecredis | parkerhiggins: hoi | 14:27 |
| parkerhiggins | hey mecredis | 14:27 |
| mecredis | how's berkeley? | 14:28 |
| parkerhiggins | it's good! i love the cs class | 14:28 |
| parkerhiggins | i'm going to be a scheme wizard | 14:28 |
| mecredis | I can only imagine | 14:28 |
| parkerhiggins | by the way, do you need the amount of days between any two dates calculated? | 14:28 |
| parkerhiggins | I CAN DO THAT. | 14:28 |
| mecredis | or rather (only (imagine (I))) | 14:28 |
| parkerhiggins | how're things back there? | 14:30 |
| mecredis | not bad | 14:30 |
| mecredis | going to be presenting at NY Tech Meetup tonight | 14:30 |
| mecredis | cause caller has an obama/immunity cause thats been getting some press | 14:30 |
| apeiron | parkerhiggins, Yes, I want the number of days between the 15th of March, 44 BC and today. | 14:30 |
| apeiron | (have fun with the calendar switches) | 14:30 |
| apeiron | (this is why real programmers reuse code) | 14:31 |
| mecredis | apeiron: really? when they're learning it? | 14:32 |
| apeiron | mecredis, Absolutely! | 14:32 |
| apeiron | Then they don't get out into the job world with severe NIH syndrome. | 14:32 |
| parkerhiggins | apeiron: my partner on this project wanted to go back to year 0. but there is no year zero. so, we can do between 1900 and 2399 (after 2400 you have to have a more complicated leap year thing) and it doesn't work yet. so, you just take a stab at it :) | 14:32 |
| mecredis | that sounds ethical | 14:32 |
| parkerhiggins | mecredis: awesome! i should do the immunity one. | 14:32 |
| mecredis | yeah, it just calls his office / campaign hq | 14:32 |
| mecredis | http://get-fisa-right.wetpaint.com/page/What+else+you+can+do | 14:33 |
| parkerhiggins | awesome, mecredis | 14:35 |
| parkerhiggins | i'm also working with john on a fc@nyu thing you'll probably think is pretty neat, but i can't say it here and want a few more days to have some progress under my belt | 14:36 |
| mecredis | that makes me happy | 14:36 |
| parkerhiggins | yeah, it could be cool, help us keep our national profile up | 14:37 |
| parkerhiggins | i've also hung out with tim a few times, he's a really cool guy | 14:37 |
| parkerhiggins | (just catching you up on everything, i guess :) | 14:37 |
| mecredis | great | 14:37 |
| parkerhiggins | (good thing i didn't talk trash about him, as he's in this room) | 14:37 |
| mecredis | yeah, good summer to be an FC activist in SF | 14:38 |
| mecredis | hahah | 14:38 |
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| parkerhiggins | in 10 minutes a group of video creators, who make the CC-licensed webshow "This American Summer" are going to be answering questions in #miro-event. They might have some interesting things to say about CC | 15:21 |
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| * greg-g logs it | 15:23 | |
| mlinksva | tim_hwang: the 2008 number should be 130 million, I don't want to convey we know anything close to an exact number | 15:23 |
| mlinksva | tim_hwang: and one thing i didn't think of before, it should be clear on the graph that the 2003-7 numbers are year end, but 2008 is midyear | 15:25 |
| rejon | http://dubstep.fm | 15:26 |
| Bovinity | rejon: nathany: http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/27/the-douchiest-phone-message-in-history/ | 15:27 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: is there something specific we can point to in http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Metrics#Numbers_Explanation -- a reference to Giorgos' paper or a link to python code that does this calculation? | 15:27 |
| nathany | rejon: voice | 15:28 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, We can, one sec. | 15:35 |
| tim_hwang | mlinksva, you got it | 15:39 |
| mlinksva | thx | 15:43 |
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| tim_hwang | changed! | 15:44 |
| rejon | what | 15:45 |
| rejon | oh phone? | 15:45 |
| rejon | does that red light mean there are messages? | 15:46 |
| rejon | its been on since day 1 ;) | 15:46 |
| nathany | rejon | 15:48 |
| nathany | poke | 15:48 |
| nathany | poke | 15:48 |
| nathany | poke | 15:48 |
| nathany | poke | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon! | 15:48 |
| nathany | rejon! | 15:48 |
| rejon | wrong desktop i was one | 15:49 |
| rejon | on | 15:49 |
| ftobia | nathany, paulproteus, nkinkade, Steren, around what time for standup meeting? | 15:53 |
| nathany | ftobia: 230-ish... whenever nkinkade comes back from lunch | 15:53 |
| * paulproteus eyes nkinkade's lack of person in chair | 15:53 | |
| ftobia | if it's always "~2:30 whenever nkinkade is back from lunch" i'll stop asking every day. | 15:54 |
| mlinksva | nathany: we have a call @3pm fwiw | 15:54 |
| nathany | :) | 15:54 |
| mecredis | paulproteus: what support does liblicense have for video? | 15:54 |
| nathany | ftobia: it is | 15:54 |
| nathany | mlinksva: got it | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, None, there's no standards! | 15:54 |
| mlinksva | i guess you stand up to keep the meeting short, so nevermind :) | 15:54 |
| mecredis | paulproteus: that was my feeling | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | We keep asking Adobe to make some standards. | 15:54 |
| mecredis | right | 15:54 |
| mecredis | but in theory OGG could do it | 15:54 |
| mecredis | right? | 15:54 |
| paulproteus | ..yes, sure. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | I think that works out of the box. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | I think. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | I have no tests for it. | 15:55 |
| mecredis | heh | 15:55 |
| mecredis | so it wouldn't be reasonable to ask a video site to use liblicense, then? | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | Not really, sadly. | 15:56 |
| mecredis | OK | 15:56 |
| mecredis | just making sure | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Do we know of any video CC metadata standards at all? | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | They could use JsWidget, though, for the chooser. | 15:56 |
| mecredis | of course | 15:56 |
| paulproteus | If they didn't want to do that bit themselves. | 15:56 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:56 | |
| nathany | paulproteus: there's been work with MPEG | 15:56 |
| nathany | OGG | 15:56 |
| nathany | but nothing at all wide spread | 15:56 |
| nathany | so i usually just say "no" right now | 15:57 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:57 | |
| * mecredis notds | 15:57 | |
| paulproteus | If there's something you want me to implement, I'd be happy to, even if it's not *super* wide-spread. | 15:57 |
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| bassel | hello folks | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | bassel, Hello. | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Mind if I move my review to 10:30 instead? | 16:00 |
| bassel | what's up paulproteus :) | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | (Thu) | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | (from 11) | 16:00 |
| nathany | nope | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | Er, I moved mine, but I don't think I can move yours. | 16:00 |
| bassel | can you please guide me how to checkout from code.creativecommons.org | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | bassel, Sure - using Subversion? | 16:01 |
| bassel | I don't know why it's not working for me :-( | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | What project do you want to check out? | 16:01 |
| bassel | cchost | 16:01 |
| bassel | cchost trunk | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | Sure - do you have Subversion installed? | 16:01 |
| bassel | yes | 16:01 |
| bassel | yes | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | What platform are you on? | 16:01 |
| bassel | linux | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | Can you type in: | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | svn checkout http://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/cchost/trunk/ | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | The svn+ssh version is only if you have commit privileges. | 16:02 |
| bassel | you'r my hero it's checking now | 16:03 |
| bassel | I was using http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/cchost/trunk/ | 16:03 |
| bassel | viewsvn not svnroot | 16:03 |
| bassel | you rule paulproteus | 16:03 |
| bassel | rejon are you here | 16:03 |
| paulproteus | bassel, Thanks a lot! (-: | 16:03 |
| rejon | i am :) | 16:03 |
| bassel | what's up :) | 16:04 |
| bassel | paulproteus thank you :-) | 16:05 |
| tim_hwang | rejon -- there you go | 16:05 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, I don't know actually what paper the code comes from. | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | I can link to the Ankit code and my use of it, but maybe you can help me find the paper. | 16:07 |
| mlinksva | maybe the paper isn't public | 16:08 |
| mlinksva | it is referred to in giorgos' isummit07 slides | 16:08 |
| mlinksva | slide 9 at http://www.slideshare.net/mlinksva/cc-monitor-findings-isummit | 16:09 |
| mlinksva | but it doesn't really describe it | 16:09 |
| mlinksva | hmm | 16:10 |
| mlinksva | i guess just link to the code | 16:10 |
| mlinksva | also page 6 of the TPRC paper which refers to an unpublished paper | 16:12 |
| mlinksva | for details | 16:12 |
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| rejon | tim_hwang: http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/07/01/sony-s-blu-ray-will-keep-them-winning-new-format-war informs our sony discussions...gulp | 17:04 |
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| tim_hwang | rejon -- yikes | 17:42 |
| rejon | yah | 17:42 |
| rejon | they don't quite get *it* | 17:42 |
| rejon | tim_hwang and greg-g can we meet at 4:30 in this small room with couches | 18:02 |
| tim_hwang | rejon you got it | 18:02 |
| rejon | man, moved over to gmail for cc mail now | 18:02 |
| greg-g | rejon: got it | 18:02 |
| rejon | evolution is dead to me now...more like it hit darwin | 18:02 |
| greg-g | evolution, ironically, has not evolved very well over the years | 18:03 |
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| mlinksva | i'm not doing email until chandler is ready | 18:06 |
| rejon | 0.8 | 18:07 |
| rejon | in 2008 | 18:07 |
| rejon | that sounds about right | 18:07 |
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| mlinksva | we saw the 3 year plan on whiteboards 2-3 years ago | 18:08 |
| mlinksva | so i guess it is time | 18:08 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 18:12 |
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| rejon | I think 0.9 is for 2009, etc | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: buildbot.creativecommons.org. Is there anything special I need to know about that for moving it from a5 to a6? | 18:23 |
| rejon | tim_hwang: what is the link to the commons research event? | 18:26 |
| tim_hwang | rejon -- one sec i'll snag it | 18:27 |
| tim_hwang | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Creative_Commons_Research_Workshop | 18:28 |
| tim_hwang | as per what we were talking about | 18:28 |
| tim_hwang | i can expand it to | 18:28 |
| tim_hwang | o | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, whatever, let it die for a day or two. | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | re: buildbot | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | Basically, don't try hard to save it, and I'll reconstruct it. | 18:32 |
| mlinksva | rejon, tim_hwang: there is a whole site for commons research now | 18:37 |
| mlinksva | http://commonsresearch.wikidot.com/program | 18:37 |
| brianrowe | is ccCulture the right term for refering to Eric, Fred and Cameron? | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, ^^ re: brianrowe | 18:53 |
| mlinksva | brianrowe: internally it is ok, but it would be confusing externally as there is no such thing at this point | 18:54 |
| brianrowe | thx | 18:55 |
| mlinksva | depending on context you can say something like "CC's culture initiatives" | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Do you think it's better to install python modules with easy_install, or with aptitude? | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | easy_install may provide a newer version? | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Good think nathany's not here! | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | aptitude! | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Security updates ftw. | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | And if he needs a newer one, he can get it through buildout. | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | Ah. Good point. | 19:00 |
| nkinkade | Why, nathany prefers easy_install? | 19:02 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 19:03 |
| paulproteus | But I'm a Debian zealot. | 19:03 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Can you let me know if tilecache is looking okay on a6? | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | Perhap edit /etc/hosts, or look at my machine? | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | It returns something that looks map-like. | 19:24 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Then it likely works | 19:25 |
| paulproteus | will test in 5min | 19:25 |
| nkinkade | It's pink grid with 8 squares. | 19:25 |
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| paulproteus | Ermp. | 19:28 |
| paulproteus | Lemme see. | 19:33 |
| paulproteus | There's a tilecache on a6 now? | 19:33 |
| paulproteus | Or is it a5? a8? | 19:33 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, ^^ | 19:34 |
| paulproteus | What machine did it move to? | 19:34 |
| paulproteus | AKA I forgot our nice diagram. | 19:34 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, I just set the default audio sink on my laptop, to my desktop, hit play, and picked up my headphones. | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | PulseAudio did the right thing. | 19:46 |
| paulproteus | (Drop the comma after "laptop" for total clarity.) | 19:46 |
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