Tuesday, 2008-07-01

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jibotftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture01:24
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay09:32
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conleyHey, I think I remember some talk on the CC blog about creating free T&C templates for websites using CC.  Does anyone know what I'm talking about?09:52
conleypaulproteus?09:54
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons10:12
nathanyconley: paulproteus isn't in yet this morning10:12
nathanythere was a site doing that in a wiki-like fashion10:12
nathanyourterms.org, i think10:12
conleythank you10:13
nathanysure10:13
paulproteusconley, Morning.10:14
* paulproteus rubs his eyes10:15
conleymorning10:15
paulproteusourterms, yes.10:15
conleyIt doesn't seem to exist10:15
conleyyou sure it's not something else?10:16
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nathanyownterms.org?10:16
conleyyes! thanks10:16
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hdworakhi10:35
hdworakpaulproteus: when parsing XML/XHTML/HTML, is there something wrong with proceeding directly to prettyfied BeautifulSoup?10:37
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paulproteushdworak, I guess if the page is valid XHTML, then running it through BeautifulSoup might actually damage it.10:59
paulproteusI've seen cases of BeautifulSoup doing that, but you should probably file a BeautifulSoup bug if it ever does that for you.10:59
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/11:05
mecredisrejon: ...?11:06
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jibotSteren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy11:10
nathanyhttp://xkcd.com/11:11
nathany(today's is amusing)11:11
greg-gthe alt text makes it for me today11:12
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mlinksvagreg-g: Know Your Vines?11:19
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Sterennkinkade: http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/07/01/rdfa-for-semantic-mediawiki-gsoc-2008/ Strangethe page doesn't load11:20
greg-gmlinksva: I like to think I do11:20
nkinkadeSteren: Hmmm.  Let me take a closer look.11:21
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jibotBovinity is brilliant11:21
hdworakwhat happened to techblog? has it been officially renamed?11:22
Bovinityyes11:22
Bovinityit's at labs.cc.org now11:22
hdworakthnx11:22
Bovinityoh man, i hope the christian coalition don't have a labs...11:23
nathanyspeaking of xkcd, my boyfriend pointed this one out to me: http://xkcd.com/355/11:24
greg-gnathany: your boyfriend or your "it's complicated"?11:25
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nathanygreg-g: well that comic was the reason we were listed as "it's complicated" on facebook for a few months... but then it got to annoying trying to explain to people "no no, its a joke!"11:26
nathany(not that labeling it as a "boyfriend" relationship really decreases the complication)11:27
greg-ghaha, oh internet jokes that creap into real life11:27
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nkinkadeBovinity: Does this single post page look okay to you: http://labs.creativecommons.org/2008/07/01/rdfa-for-semantic-mediawiki-gsoc-2008/11:34
nkinkadeI just whacked about 4/5 of the entire single.php file, because it was the stuff that drives the CC site.11:34
Bovinitycan't say the categories list is working for me11:35
nkinkadeWell, do it up, then.11:35
nkinkadeI'm not graphic designer.11:35
nathanybtw, what about killing the tag cloud and just showing tags/categories below the individual posts?11:37
nathanyjust a thought11:37
nathanyBovinity, nkinkade ^^11:37
nkinkadeThat's fine with me.  I don't have an opinion about that one way or the other.11:38
nkinkadeIt would be trivial to implement, so I'll leave the decision someone else, but I'll be happy to implement it.11:39
greg-gbtw, I'm just going to go out on a limb here and assume this office as a set of laptop-size screwdrivers that one can use.11:40
nathanygreg-g: see nkinkade11:41
Bovinitycontextually, it would make more sense to put the post categories in the sidebar, instead of hte tagcloud11:41
greg-gnkinkade: won't be need them now (laptop-sized screwdrivers) but probably next week11:45
greg-gs/need/needing11:45
nkinkadegreg-g: There is a tiny molded plastic tool box on top the roll-around file cabinet by desk.  You can grab that anytime you need it.11:46
nkinkade(by *my* desk, that is)11:46
greg-gnkinkade: thankya11:47
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Bovinityhttp://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/funny-pictures-basement-cat-recruitment-team.jpg11:48
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jibotbrianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 200911:52
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Bovinitynkinkade: do we need an alternate sidebar file for single.php pages, or can widgets be made to only appear on some pages?12:10
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nkinkadeBovinity: Do you want to change the sidebar totally for single.php?12:12
nkinkadeI'm sure you could just add additional code to sidebar.php to override the widget code in the event that the current script is single.php.12:12
Bovinitybut that would override all the widgets12:13
nkinkadeBut it seems to me like a consistent sidebar wouldn't be a bad thing.12:13
nkinkadeYou just want to override specific widgets?12:13
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nkinkadeThat would probably be possible as well, but would likely involve modifying Wordpress code.12:14
Bovinitynah, that seems like unncessary extra work12:14
Bovinityi'll implement the idea i had last night12:14
nkinkadeYeah, to change the way the widgets get displayed you'd probably have to hack on dynamic_sidebar()12:15
nkinkadeBut, I agree, better to just implement something simple for the moment.12:15
Bovinityi'll just be a curmudgeon, and hate on widgets under my breath.12:15
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nkinkadeI love the widget stuff when it does just what I want, and when it doesn't I hate it, too.12:17
nkinkadeBut that holds true for anything I've ever encountered. :-)12:18
nkinkadeBut then again the whole widget thing is somewhat of a micro-case of the whole Wordpress paradign.12:18
nkinkadeRapid development in which you agree to settle and give up a certain amount of control.12:19
Bovinityi've never been a fan, but i'm sure it's super useful for wordpress.com and users of generic themes12:19
nkinkades/paradign/paradigm/12:19
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Bovinityfrom a design perspective, they're very limiting12:19
nkinkadeExactly, it seems to work great when you are happy with the limited palate of options that are given to you.12:20
nkinkadeAnd this might be true for most users of Wordpress.12:20
Bovinitythe majority, yeah12:23
Bovinityi'm sure12:23
Bovinityis that Meta section a widget?12:24
Bovinitywe don't need that12:24
Bovinityack, rss link is wrong!12:25
mlinksvatim_hwang: http://www.slideshare.net/mlinksva/slideshows12:26
mlinksvahttp://meeting.creativecommons.org.tw/program:cc-adoption-metrics12:26
mlinksvahttp://meeting.creativecommons.org.tw/program:licensing-attitudes-in-asia-and-mis-perceptions-of-free-culture12:28
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ankitgpaulproteus_: ping12:44
rejongood dimsum recommendation for tim_hwang: http://www.yelp.com/biz/lichee-garden-restaurant-san-francisco12:48
Bovinity+1 ^^12:49
Bovinityrejon: should we do some dimsum sunday with 33% more intern?12:49
rejonyeah!12:50
ftobiadimsum++12:50
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paulproteusMmm, intern.12:52
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jibotcurrybot is currytastic and <3 fair use12:52
paulproteusSalaam, and good evening to you, my curry friend.12:52
Bovinitycurrybot: 312:53
currybotRAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri) Cardamom is used mainly in the preparation of Aryuvedic medicines relating to bad breath and mouth odor. This flavorful chicken curry is prepared by seasoning chicken cubes with ‘Kachri’ a kind of dry baby melon flour and low sodium rock salt, and then the chicken is cooked with the base of red onions, garlic, ginger and several spices.12:53
currybot$ 5.0012:53
Bovinitycurrybot: list12:53
currybot(1) TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!)12:53
currybot(2) DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry)12:53
currybot(3) RAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri)12:53
Bovinityooh12:53
Bovinitycurrybot: 112:53
currybotTOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) Small cubes of fresh Tofu prepared in with garlic, ginger, onion and tomato. Seasoned with the lovely flavor of India’s best GARAM MASALA – fresh roasted cardamom. Cumin, coriander, cloves and cinnamon seeds stone grounded as in Indian villages!!12:53
currybot$5.0012:53
paulproteusOh, no, fake paneer from my childhood!12:53
ftobiacurrybot: 412:53
currybotftobia: mmm... curry...12:53
paulproteusBovinity, Looks like you'll get 100% less dim sum at http://www.yelp.com/biz/lichee-garden-restaurant-san-francisco now.12:54
ftobiathere's a #4 that currybot choked on..12:54
Bovinityhorrified!12:54
Bovinityabout lichee garden12:55
ankitgpaulproteus: I can has internet now ... getting back to work ... need Amazon cert from you to get EC2 going ...12:55
paulproteusankitg, Oh, awesome.12:55
paulproteusIf you can do some of the analysis locally rather than having to sysadmin a new virtual machine in Amazon space, that'd probably be way easier.12:55
paulproteusBut if you ask me again, I will get you that Amazon EC2 cert lickety-split.12:55
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greg-gcurrybot: 212:56
currybotDIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry) This dish comes from Northern India. This vegetarian delight is prepared with cauliflower, eggplant, blue lake beans, potatoes, red bell peppers, mushrooms, and plantains in a heavy wok like Kadhai called Handi. The base is prepared with red onions, garlic, ginger and fenugreek leaves.12:56
currybot$5.0012:56
ftobia"vegetarian delight"12:56
ankitgI will do whatever can locally ... but eventually this would need to go up on EC2 ...12:56
paulproteusLike Turkish delight, it is made from real vegetarians.12:56
paulproteusankitg, Sure - I suggest writing the code locally and worrying about EC2 later.12:57
ankitgnoted12:57
paulproteusnkinkade is the "expert" on the Amazon stuff, at least better than me.  Ping him (and also ping me so I know what you're up to) to bug him for that cert when you want it.12:57
nkinkadeankitg: Just out of curiosity, have you been able to find all of the logs, or at least some of them in a reasonable way?12:57
ankitgnkinkade: yes, S3 is working fine, I can view and grab whichever log I have been granted access to ... which seems to be all of the cc bucket12:58
nkinkadeIt uses sort of pseudo-filesystem-like names, which were designed to help find things.12:58
nkinkadehaha.  Yeah, you have access to the entire cc bucket.12:58
Bovinitynkinkade: ps, when you nuked most of single.php, you also nuked hte comments code ;)12:58
nkinkadeBovinity: Ooopsy daisy.12:59
nkinkadeankitg: The one thing I've worried that will be confusing is that for many of the Varnish logs there will be many logs for a given day, not just a single log file for each day.12:59
ankitgpaulproteus: sorry for the radio license ... didn't have internet access for the past few days )-:12:59
paulproteus"radio license"?13:00
nkinkadeankitg: What are you using to browse the files?13:00
ankitgpaulproteus: no replies to email / MIA / not there or IRC ...13:00
* paulproteus nods13:00
ankitgnkinkade: presently I have S3Browser.app ... I was looking to setup cyberduck ... I am on a mac13:00
paulproteusUsually they call it "radio silence".13:00
nkinkadeI found all sorts of tools about 6 months ago, but none of them were perfect.  The best to me seemed to be s3sync, a group of ruby scripts.13:01
* ankitg loves them typos :P13:01
Bovinityankitg: Transmit supports S3 too13:01
Bovinityalso see Jungledrive13:01
nkinkadeI had tried to get JungleDisk going, but something wasn't working, and it's not free anyway, I think.13:01
ankitgBovinity: I tried Jungledrive .. t mounted but didn't load anything ... I'll give transmit a go, thanks13:01
mlinksvahi ankitg!13:02
ankitghello mlinksva ...13:02
nkinkadeThere was also an interesting Firefox plugin that seemed exceedingly dangerous as it would delete things without so much as a warning.13:02
paulproteuslol, nkinkade!13:03
paulproteusBTW, ankitg, sorry I'll miss you in Sapporo!13:03
nkinkadeThen again, neither does rm give much of a warning, usually.13:03
mlinksvawe were just talking about your soc project :)13:03
ankitgmlinksva: I discovered that while reading a rather well-organized email from my mentor. =) ...13:04
nkinkadeThe FFx extension was more dangerous to me than rm because it's seemed pretty easy to me to click the wrong button or drag your mouse wrong and, bam!, hundreds of files are going, going, gone.13:04
paulproteusFrench Firefox13:04
paulproteusFrench Friesfox13:05
greg-gnkinkade: I can haz ability to edit the wiki.cc main page?  (if not, can you copy over wiki.cc.org/GregTestPage to MainPage?) (I just added a section about the Case Studies)13:06
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ankitgpaulproteus: so i'll presently work with the logs locally ... and worry about un-zipping them etc, when we get to the EC2 part ...13:07
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nkinkadegreg-g: What is your login at the wiki?  I see Greg, Greg.G and Greg.grossmeier13:08
greg-gnkinkade: Greg.grossmeier is my OpenID, but I created the Greg.G for editing access.13:10
nkinkadegreg-g: Editing wasn't working with your OpenID account?  It should.13:11
greg-gnkinkade: I don't believe it was, lemme try again13:11
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nkinkadeGreg.grossmeier is better anyway because it's more explict.13:12
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ftobiacurrybot: 413:12
currybotTOMATO CINNAMON MEATBALL MASALA Home made Beef meatballs Braised in Fresh garlic, ginger, onions, and Roma Tomatoes Finished in a Masala of roasted Cinnamon Bark. An Excellent infusion With an Indian Flavor. This dish was specially created for the all season.13:12
currybot$6.0013:12
ftobiacurrybot: list13:12
currybot(1) TOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!)13:12
currybot(2) DIWANI HANDI (Fresh vegetables cooked in red onions, ginger, garlic, and tomato curry)13:12
currybot(3) RAJASTHANI MURGA (Leg of chicken cubes cooked with baby melon seeds known as Kachri)13:12
currybot(4) Couldn't parse (NONE)13:12
BovinityMmm, Couldn't parse.13:12
nkinkadegreg-g: You should now be able to edit the main page.13:13
rejondman, meatballs sound good13:14
mlinksvankinkade: i can edit http://mehfilindian.com/LunchMenuTakeOut.htm ?13:15
paulproteusNo, the *main* page.13:15
mlinksvathat's not the main page?13:15
paulproteushttp://mehfilindian.com/13:16
Bovinityredirect hte wiki to mehfil and call it a day13:16
paulproteushttp://mehfilindian.com/Main_Page13:16
ftobiapaulproteus: i will admit that git is pretty cool.13:16
paulproteusReally?  Neat!13:16
paulproteusI wonder what makes you say that, since you weren't coerced by me.13:17
nkinkadeAbsolutely, mlinksva, just hop over to http://www.metasploit.com/13:17
greg-gnkinkade: Greg.grossmeier (openid) can't edit any page, and Greg.G can't edit locked pages13:17
greg-gnkinkade: at this moment13:18
ftobiai spent the second half of yesterday actually learning git. it's starting to make sense, and once it's not so arcane it's quite powerful.13:18
nkinkadehttp://mehfilindian.com: Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.013:18
nkinkadegreg-g: Are you getting an error?  Are you in the emailconfirmed group?13:18
greg-gnkinkade: ah, I hadn't confirmed my email for Greg.grossmeier13:20
greg-gnkinkade: all worky now, thanks13:20
nkinkadegreg-g: Okey dokey.  I glady it worky now.13:21
nkinkade;-)13:21
greg-g:)13:21
nkinkadeBut, greg-g, was that an OpenID login?13:22
nkinkadeI want to make sure that edits work as expected for everyone, including OpenID logins.13:23
paulproteusHow inclusive of you!13:23
paulproteusankitg, Feel free to bug NK, honestly!13:23
greg-gnkinkade: yes, Greg.grossmeier is an OpenID login, where I can now edit pages (including locked pages, now) after doing the email confirmation13:24
paulproteusankitg, Oh, I missed your thing about working locally for now.  Okay, but whenever you want, ping NK. (-:13:24
nkinkadegreg-g: You can edit locked pages now because I added you to the Sysop group, but I'm glad to know that OpenID logins are able to edit.13:25
nkinkadeI think I just found a bug in the Gmail interface.13:27
paulproteusD'oh, that would be a bug in fmail too.13:27
paulproteusSo much for outsourcing the UI engineering to Google.13:28
nkinkadeIf I click on the "Seach Options" link multiple times before the page loads, then it shows multiple search boxes.13:28
nkinkadeI wonder how many I can get to show.  Currently 3.13:28
paulproteusftobia, Glad to hear I'm not totally insane about thinking git is kinda cool.13:30
paulproteusI get worried when trendy people like what I like.13:30
paulproteusSo hearing you like it is a relief!13:30
paulproteusFeel free to update http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=Git_phrasebook with things.13:31
ftobiaawesome.13:32
nathanynkinkade: can you upgrade Semantic Forms on teamspace at some point today to 1.2.5?  i think it has a bug fix that i could use in melissa's grants app13:41
paulproteusmumble-grumble, MW git template13:43
nkinkadenathany: Sure.13:44
nkinkadeI don't know why, but I just can't seem to get motivated about that MW git template.13:45
nkinkadeIt's a great idea and would save me lots of time, too.13:45
paulproteusMaybe we can spend a few hours hanging out in a conference room to have fear of my presence motivate you?13:45
ftobiapaulproteus: this redland librdf package is sketching me out. is there some good reason you're it over other such packages?13:48
paulproteusI don't know, name an alternative?13:48
* paulproteus shrugs13:48
paulproteusIt's the only one I've used, but that doesn't mean I'm in love with it.13:48
ftobiaokay good13:48
ftobiai can explain my reasons against it in person. you going to get curry?13:48
paulproteusNo, I brought food today.13:49
Bovinitycurrybot: +113:49
currybotTOFU MASALA (Our chef’s special infusion!!!!) Small cubes of fresh Tofu prepared in with garlic, ginger, onion and tomato. Seasoned with the lovely flavor of India’s best GARAM MASALA – fresh roasted cardamom. Cumin, coriander, cloves and cinnamon seeds stone grounded as in Indian villages!!13:49
currybot$5.0013:49
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BovinityO_O13:49
paulproteuscurrybot, -013:49
currybotpaulproteus: mmm... curry...13:49
ftobiaperhaps at lunch then.13:49
ftobia..that was interesting.13:49
nkinkadenathany: It's SemanticForms is now at 1.2.5 on teamspace.13:49
nathanythanks!13:50
nkinkadeThe curry-bot is turning more into spam than anything.13:50
paulproteusnkinkade: mmm... spam...13:50
nkinkadeMaybe we can create a new channel?  #cc_curry13:50
nkinkadepaulproteus: It's likely that I can't motivate about the MW git template thing because I don't fully understand everything that underlies it and I feel like I'm just stepping through a checklist rather than really understanding what is going on.13:51
paulproteusRight, which is why me inspiring fear into you in person seems a good approach.13:51
paulproteusI mean, having me be available for questions and explanations.13:52
nkinkadepaulproteus: Sure.  Let's do that, because it would really make a more sensible upgrade path for all the wikis rather than doing it all manually 5 times.13:52
paulproteusSuper rad.13:52
paulproteusMaybe right after my lunch and before you go, or maybe after stand-up.13:53
nkinkadeAfter the standup is good for me.13:53
nkinkadeIt would be super helpful to me, thanks.13:53
paulproteusAll systems go, as we step into the Octagon.13:54
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SterenCan you hear that ?13:57
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paulproteus(no?)13:57
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SterenThe sound of the rising curry13:57
Sterenit's comming closer13:57
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* ankitg darn you, CHUCK NORRIS!13:59
paulproteusBah, Varnish caching was breaking auto-updating feature of the ccLearn map.14:02
* paulproteus configures an exclusion14:02
rejondon't go get curry without me please :)14:02
rejonmike in i in room14:02
Sterenrejon: we're leaving14:04
Sterenlast chance14:04
paulproteusnkinkade, "pipe" is what you found that is better than "pass", right?14:04
paulproteusre: varnish14:05
nkinkadepaulproteus: Right.  I found that in many cases where "pass" failed that "pipe" worked fine.14:05
nkinkadeI'm not 100% sure what implications that has for performance.14:05
paulproteusnon_failure > high_performance14:05
rejonahhhhh14:07
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jibotparkerhiggins is an undergraduate at NYU and the treasurer of its Free Culture chapter.14:26
mecredisparkerhiggins: hoi14:27
parkerhigginshey mecredis14:27
mecredishow's berkeley?14:28
parkerhigginsit's good!  i love the cs class14:28
parkerhigginsi'm going to be a scheme wizard14:28
mecredisI can only imagine14:28
parkerhigginsby the way, do you need the amount of days between any two dates calculated?14:28
parkerhigginsI CAN DO THAT.14:28
mecredisor rather (only (imagine (I)))14:28
parkerhigginshow're things back there?14:30
mecredis not bad14:30
mecredisgoing to be presenting at NY Tech Meetup tonight14:30
mecrediscause caller has an obama/immunity cause thats been getting some press14:30
apeironparkerhiggins, Yes, I want the number of days between the 15th of March, 44 BC and today.14:30
apeiron(have fun with the calendar switches)14:30
apeiron(this is why real programmers reuse code)14:31
mecredisapeiron: really? when they're learning it?14:32
apeironmecredis, Absolutely!14:32
apeironThen they don't get out into the job world with severe NIH syndrome.14:32
parkerhigginsapeiron: my partner on this project wanted to go back to year 0.  but there is no year zero.  so, we can do between 1900 and 2399 (after 2400 you have to have a more complicated leap year thing) and it doesn't work yet.  so, you just take a stab at it :)14:32
mecredisthat sounds ethical14:32
parkerhigginsmecredis: awesome!  i should do the immunity one.14:32
mecredisyeah, it just calls his office / campaign hq14:32
mecredishttp://get-fisa-right.wetpaint.com/page/What+else+you+can+do14:33
parkerhigginsawesome, mecredis14:35
parkerhigginsi'm also working with john on a fc@nyu thing you'll probably think is pretty neat, but i can't say it here and want a few more days to have some progress under my belt14:36
mecredisthat makes me happy14:36
parkerhigginsyeah, it could be cool, help us keep our national profile up14:37
parkerhigginsi've also hung out with tim a few times, he's a really cool guy14:37
parkerhiggins(just catching you up on everything, i guess :)14:37
mecredisgreat14:37
parkerhiggins(good thing i didn't talk trash about him, as he's in this room)14:37
mecredisyeah, good summer to be an FC activist in SF14:38
mecredishahah14:38
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parkerhigginsin 10 minutes a group of video creators, who make the CC-licensed webshow "This American Summer" are going to be answering questions in #miro-event.  They might have some interesting things to say about CC15:21
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mlinksvatim_hwang: the 2008 number should be 130 million, I don't want to convey we know anything close to an exact number15:23
mlinksvatim_hwang: and one thing i didn't think of before, it should be clear on the graph that the 2003-7 numbers are year end, but 2008 is midyear15:25
rejonhttp://dubstep.fm15:26
Bovinityrejon: nathany: http://www.holytaco.com/2008/06/27/the-douchiest-phone-message-in-history/15:27
mlinksvapaulproteus: is there something specific we can point to in http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Metrics#Numbers_Explanation -- a reference to Giorgos' paper or a link to python code that does this calculation?15:27
nathanyrejon: voice15:28
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paulproteusmlinksva, We can, one sec.15:35
tim_hwangmlinksva, you got it15:39
mlinksvathx15:43
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tim_hwangchanged!15:44
rejonwhat15:45
rejonoh phone?15:45
rejondoes that red light mean there are messages?15:46
rejonits been on since day 1 ;)15:46
nathanyrejon15:48
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rejonwrong desktop i was one15:49
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ftobianathany, paulproteus, nkinkade, Steren, around what time for standup meeting?15:53
nathanyftobia: 230-ish... whenever nkinkade comes back from lunch15:53
* paulproteus eyes nkinkade's lack of person in chair15:53
ftobiaif it's always "~2:30 whenever nkinkade is back from lunch" i'll stop asking every day.15:54
mlinksvanathany: we have a call @3pm fwiw15:54
nathany:)15:54
mecredispaulproteus: what support does liblicense have for video?15:54
nathanyftobia: it is15:54
nathanymlinksva: got it15:54
paulproteusmecredis, None, there's no standards!15:54
mlinksvai guess you stand up to keep the meeting short, so nevermind :)15:54
mecredispaulproteus: that was my feeling15:54
paulproteusWe keep asking Adobe to make some standards.15:54
mecredisright15:54
mecredisbut in theory OGG could do it15:54
mecredisright?15:54
paulproteus..yes, sure.15:55
paulproteusI think that works out of the box.15:55
paulproteusI think.15:55
paulproteusI have no tests for it.15:55
mecredisheh15:55
mecredisso it wouldn't be reasonable to ask a video site to use liblicense, then?15:56
paulproteusNot really, sadly.15:56
mecredisOK15:56
mecredisjust making sure15:56
paulproteusnathany, Do we know of any video CC metadata standards at all?15:56
paulproteusThey could use JsWidget, though, for the chooser.15:56
mecredisof course15:56
paulproteusIf they didn't want to do that bit themselves.15:56
* paulproteus nods15:56
nathanypaulproteus: there's been work with MPEG15:56
nathanyOGG15:56
nathanybut nothing at all wide spread15:56
nathanyso i usually just say "no" right now15:57
* paulproteus nods15:57
* mecredis notds15:57
paulproteusIf there's something you want me to implement, I'd be happy to, even if it's not *super* wide-spread.15:57
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basselhello folks16:00
paulproteusbassel, Hello.16:00
paulproteusnathany, Mind if I move my review to 10:30 instead?16:00
basselwhat's up paulproteus :)16:00
paulproteus(Thu)16:00
paulproteus(from 11)16:00
nathanynope16:00
paulproteusEr, I moved mine, but I don't think I can move yours.16:00
basselcan you please guide me how to checkout from code.creativecommons.org16:01
paulproteusbassel, Sure - using Subversion?16:01
basselI don't know why it's not working for me :-(16:01
paulproteusWhat project do you want to check out?16:01
basselcchost16:01
basselcchost trunk16:01
paulproteusSure - do you have Subversion installed?16:01
basselyes16:01
basselyes16:01
paulproteusWhat platform are you on?16:01
bassellinux16:01
paulproteusCan you type in:16:01
paulproteussvn checkout http://code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/cchost/trunk/16:01
paulproteusThe svn+ssh version is only if you have commit privileges.16:02
basselyou'r my hero it's checking now16:03
basselI was using http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/cchost/trunk/16:03
basselviewsvn not svnroot16:03
basselyou rule paulproteus16:03
basselrejon are you here16:03
paulproteusbassel, Thanks a lot! (-:16:03
rejoni am :)16:03
basselwhat's up :)16:04
basselpaulproteus thank you :-)16:05
tim_hwangrejon -- there you go16:05
paulproteusmlinksva, I don't know actually what paper the code comes from.16:07
paulproteusI can link to the Ankit code and my use of it, but maybe you can help me find the paper.16:07
mlinksvamaybe the paper isn't public16:08
mlinksvait is referred to in giorgos' isummit07 slides16:08
mlinksvaslide 9 at http://www.slideshare.net/mlinksva/cc-monitor-findings-isummit16:09
mlinksvabut it doesn't really describe it16:09
mlinksvahmm16:10
mlinksvai guess just link to the code16:10
mlinksvaalso page 6 of the TPRC paper which refers to an unpublished paper16:12
mlinksvafor details16:12
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rejontim_hwang: http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/07/01/sony-s-blu-ray-will-keep-them-winning-new-format-war informs our sony discussions...gulp17:04
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tim_hwangrejon -- yikes17:42
rejonyah17:42
rejonthey don't quite get *it*17:42
rejontim_hwang and greg-g can we meet at 4:30 in this small room with couches18:02
tim_hwangrejon you got it18:02
rejonman, moved over to gmail for cc mail now18:02
greg-grejon: got it18:02
rejonevolution is dead to me now...more like it hit darwin18:02
greg-gevolution, ironically, has not evolved very well over the years18:03
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mlinksvai'm not doing email until chandler is ready18:06
rejon0.818:07
rejonin 200818:07
rejonthat sounds about right18:07
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mlinksvawe saw the 3 year plan on whiteboards 2-3 years ago18:08
mlinksvaso i guess it is time18:08
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jibotdavidstrauss is "P" and not "P"18:12
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rejonI think 0.9 is for 2009, etc18:20
nkinkadepaulproteus: buildbot.creativecommons.org.  Is there anything special I need to know about that for moving it from a5 to a6?18:23
rejontim_hwang: what is the link to the commons research event?18:26
tim_hwangrejon -- one sec i'll snag it18:27
tim_hwanghttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/Creative_Commons_Research_Workshop18:28
tim_hwangas per what we were talking about18:28
tim_hwangi can expand it to18:28
tim_hwango18:28
paulproteusnkinkade, Oh, whatever, let it die for a day or two.18:32
paulproteusre: buildbot18:32
paulproteusBasically, don't try hard to save it, and I'll reconstruct it.18:32
mlinksvarejon, tim_hwang: there is a whole site for commons research now18:37
mlinksvahttp://commonsresearch.wikidot.com/program18:37
brianroweis ccCulture the right term for refering to Eric, Fred and Cameron?18:53
paulproteusmlinksva, ^^ re: brianrowe18:53
mlinksvabrianrowe: internally it is ok, but it would be confusing externally as there is no such thing at this point18:54
brianrowethx18:55
mlinksvadepending on context you can say something like "CC's culture initiatives"18:55
nkinkadepaulproteus: Do you think it's better to install python modules with easy_install, or with aptitude?18:59
nkinkadeeasy_install may provide a newer version?19:00
paulproteusGood think nathany's not here!19:00
paulproteusaptitude!19:00
paulproteusSecurity updates ftw.19:00
paulproteusAnd if he needs a newer one, he can get it through buildout.19:00
nkinkadeAh.  Good point.19:00
nkinkadeWhy, nathany prefers easy_install?19:02
paulproteusYeah.19:03
paulproteusBut I'm a Debian zealot.19:03
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Can you let me know if tilecache is looking okay on a6?19:24
nkinkadePerhap edit /etc/hosts, or look at my machine?19:24
nkinkadeIt returns something that looks map-like.19:24
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay19:25
paulproteusnkinkade, Then it likely works19:25
paulproteuswill test in 5min19:25
nkinkadeIt's pink grid with 8 squares.19:25
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paulproteusErmp.19:28
paulproteusLemme see.19:33
paulproteusThere's a tilecache on a6 now?19:33
paulproteusOr is it a5?  a8?19:33
paulproteusnkinkade, ^^19:34
paulproteusWhat machine did it move to?19:34
paulproteusAKA I forgot our nice diagram.19:34
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paulproteusnkinkade, I just set the default audio sink on my laptop, to my desktop, hit play, and picked up my headphones.19:46
paulproteusPulseAudio did the right thing.19:46
paulproteus(Drop the comma after "laptop" for total clarity.)19:46
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/20:01
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons20:09

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