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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 00:39 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 09:09 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 09:25 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 10:01 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 10:28 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 11:05 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 11:29 |
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| jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 11:36 |
| currybot | jibot: mmm... curry... | 11:36 |
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| paulproteus | Steren, Liked how I gave you some extra work by email? (-; | 11:39 |
| Steren | I'm reading that :) | 11:40 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 11:41 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, So about this dyndns account expiration warning... | 12:00 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I took care of it. | 12:00 |
| paulproteus | Yippee. | 12:00 |
| nkinkade | We get that every month or two. | 12:00 |
| nkinkade | Something to do with the free version of the dyndns service. | 12:01 |
| paulproteus | Sounds like something a cron job could take care of. | 12:01 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps. | 12:01 |
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| nkinkade | Feel free to write a cron job. :-) | 12:01 |
| nkinkade | Does the router even have a cron daemon? | 12:01 |
| paulproteus | Oh my. | 12:01 |
| paulproteus | If not, ipkg install cron ... | 12:01 |
| nkinkade | It does. | 12:02 |
| paulproteus | You know, that thing is pretty sweet. | 12:02 |
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| nkinkade | I'm pretty impressed with it, too. Amazing how much functionality they have crammed into just a few megabytes. | 12:03 |
| paulproteus | I am, too. | 12:03 |
| paulproteus | It's a stark contrast to the world I'm used to, where a few megs or hundred megs of bloat is not a big deal. | 12:03 |
| nkinkade | I wonder what dd-wrt is likef? | 12:03 |
| Bovinity | ddwrt is quite nice | 12:04 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Have you also used OperWRT? | 12:04 |
| Bovinity | no | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | I know pretty much nothing about dd-wrt. | 12:04 |
| nkinkade | Ah. Maybe I'll grub around to find out what are some of the relative benefits of one over the other. | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | My vague understanding is that dd-wrt has a useful web interface but none of this ipkg joy. | 12:04 |
| Bovinity | yeah, ddwrt lacks on the nifty packaging side of things | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | So it's good if you want a wireless router, not a teensy TINY Linux machine. (-; | 12:05 |
| Bovinity | i was under the impression ddwrt was under more active development than o-wrt | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | o-wrt benefits from the big-ish OpenEmbedded community. | 12:05 |
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| paulproteus | The OpenEmbedded infrastructure is shared by OpenMoko, OpenWRT, and a bunch of other embedded projects. | 12:06 |
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| Bovinity | ah, how times change | 12:07 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 12:19 |
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| tim_hwang | paulproteus: do you happen to know the deets on the commons research event? | 12:22 |
| tim_hwang | just slamming otu the metrics press release now | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | tim_hwang, It's organized by Giorgos, and they have a mailing list. | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure of much beyond that. | 12:22 |
| tim_hwang | got it, thanks | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | I think the idea is to gather more papers like the one he wrote last year on measuring the size of the commons. | 12:23 |
| paulproteus | I'm under the impression he's switched what university he's at, and further that if he had more chances to "Publish" research on CC stuff he and other academics would be in better shape. | 12:23 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Would you reboot my poor machine again? | 12:35 |
| Bovinity | heh | 12:35 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Sure. | 12:35 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: It should be reachable in the next minute or so. | 12:37 |
| paulproteus | Yippee. | 12:37 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 13:08 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 13:17 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI CHANNA PANEER (Garbanzo beans and cottage cheese cubes cooked together) | 13:17 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZI LAJAWAB (Fresh Vegetables cooked in gravy of garlic, ginger, tomatoes, and spinach) | 13:17 |
| currybot | (3) ADRAKI CHICKEN (Boneless chicken cubes cooked with lemon, tamarind, curry leaves, garlic, and ginger flavored curry souce) | 13:17 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 13:17 |
| paulproteus | Sweet, more paneer. | 13:17 |
| ftobia | indeed. | 13:18 |
| Bovinity | they must have a cottage cheese surplus | 13:18 |
| paulproteus | (cottage cheese (surplus)) or (cottage (cheese surplus)) | 13:18 |
| rohitj | wow, reminds me of my last dinner :P | 13:24 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, Other than the office and a5,6,7,8, what IPs do we have? | 13:36 |
| paulproteus | I guess a3 I know about, although it's on its way out. | 13:36 |
| nkinkade | Don't forget a4. | 13:36 |
| paulproteus | ashby.csail.mit.edu | 13:36 |
| nkinkade | Well, that is neurocommons. | 13:36 |
| paulproteus | And a4 is staying around, right? | 13:37 |
| nkinkade | Actually, that's an older server. neurocommons.org is norbert.csail.mit.edu | 13:37 |
| nkinkade | a4 will stay around as long as CC has CC Mixter, I believe. | 13:37 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 13:37 |
| paulproteus | I don't think I have an account norbert, so that's fine. | 13:37 |
| paulproteus | Would you adduser me on a4 and pref. give me sudo also? | 13:39 |
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| paulproteus | I think I'm going to stop using Tor for IP addresses for the stats stuff and just use our machines. | 13:40 |
| paulproteus | On the downside, this will mean logging thousands of SSH connections between the machines. | 13:43 |
| paulproteus | (I mean, downside for you reading the logs.) | 13:43 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: What logs are you talking about. | 13:45 |
| nkinkade | ? | 13:45 |
| paulproteus | The SSH login logs. | 13:45 |
| paulproteus | But never mind. | 13:45 |
| paulproteus | I'll find a way that just uses fewer logins. | 13:46 |
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| paulproteus | So you won't see massive log pollution from this. | 13:46 |
| paulproteus | Hmm, or maybe I can avoid doing all this now that restarting the Tor daemon fixed things? | 13:46 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, la di da. | 13:46 |
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| nkinkade | I don't think it should matter that you make 1000s of connections, as the log I see daily aggregates attempt from the same IP address and/or user. | 13:49 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Try your new a4 account. | 13:49 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Oh, that's good at least. | 13:49 |
| nkinkade | It looks something like this: | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | 66.135.32.165 (a6.creativecommons.org): 48 times | 13:50 |
| nkinkade | For the SSH log info that I see. | 13:50 |
| * paulproteus grins | 13:51 | |
| paulproteus | I look forward to that becoming 1480 times. | 13:51 |
| nkinkade | So your activity might had 2 bytes to the size of my emails I see. | 13:53 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 13:53 |
| currybot | PUNJABI CHANNA PANEER (Garbanzo beans and cottage cheese cubes cooked together) Channa Paneer is the specialty of northern part of India especially Punjab. In this dish garbanzo beans are soaked in salt water overnight and then cottage cheese is added while cooking in red onion, ginger, garlic &tomato gravy. | 13:53 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:53 |
| paulproteus | Actually, as many as 10 bytes, since I'll do it across a bunch of servers. | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | By the way, were you able to figure out what happened to rose this weekend? | 13:53 |
| paulproteus | No, I just got the dude to reboot it. | 13:53 |
| paulproteus | But at least I have IPMI working, so I can figure it out remotely on the serial console at my leisure. | 13:53 |
| nkinkade | How do you connect to the IPMI interface? Through a serial port connection from some other machine in that rack? | 13:56 |
| nkinkade | The wiki page for IPMI says that it's even possible to connect when the host machine is powered off, which astounded me. | 13:56 |
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| paulproteus | No, via the Internet! | 13:58 |
| paulproteus | Muahaha. | 13:58 |
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| Steren | currybot : curry time ! | 14:01 |
| currybot | Steren: mmm... curry... | 14:01 |
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| Steren | mmm... curry... | 14:04 |
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| DanL- | hi | 14:06 |
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| DanL- | anyone want to help me with a trademark question? | 14:07 |
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| ftobia | who's getting curry? | 14:19 |
| ftobia | <-- getting curry. | 14:20 |
| Steren | <-- | 14:20 |
| ftobia | DanL-: in general, don't ask to ask, just ask. | 14:20 |
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| Bovinity | yes, feel free, and i'm sure someone will be able to assist with non-legal advice :) | 14:23 |
| DanL- | it actually is non-legal advice | 14:24 |
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| DanL- | I'm trying to find examples where a putative IP owner actually sued a website for use of allegedly infringing logos | 14:25 |
| DanL- | C&Ds are common | 14:25 |
| DanL- | but actual summons and complaint? | 14:25 |
| DanL- | can't find one | 14:25 |
| DanL- | and I mean a famous brand lawsuit, not Joe's Bait and Tackle | 14:26 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 14:57 |
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| greg-g | paulproteus: around? | 15:40 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, yup. | 15:41 |
| greg-g | just got your email | 15:41 |
| Bovinity | brianrowe: ping | 15:41 |
| greg-g | and, if you would like, I am open for working in the same physical space (when/if you are in the E.B.) | 15:42 |
| paulproteus | Well I'm at my friend's house here in Broccoli. | 15:42 |
| greg-g | ah, ok. no worries | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | You wanna come here? | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | That's fine with her, she says. | 15:43 |
| greg-g | where is Broccoli (or is that some slang for a neighbor I don't know?) | 15:43 |
| Bovinity | b'zerkeley? | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | 1349 berkeley way, berkeley, ca | 15:43 |
| greg-g | ahhhhhhhh | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | 1349 berkeley way, apartment # berkeley, berkeley, ca | 15:44 |
| paulproteus | 1349 berkeley way, apartment # berkeley, berkeley, ca, United Colors of Benetton (abbreviated UCB) | 15:44 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, the first time I was serious about the address. | 15:44 |
| greg-g | hehe | 15:44 |
| paulproteus | I think we'll have just had lunch by the time you get here. | 15:44 |
| greg-g | awesome, well, if that is cool with her and you, and there is an open seat with power, I'm good to go | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | Couch, but sure (-: | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | And my phone is charging off my laptop, which is to say I'll have it and it'll work. | 15:45 |
| greg-g | those are fun! | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | (# on teamspace) | 15:45 |
| greg-g | right right | 15:45 |
| greg-g | cool, I'm thinking 30-40 minutes | 15:45 |
| greg-g | (arrival time) | 15:46 |
| paulproteus | 20m after that is probably slightly better. | 15:46 |
| paulproteus | But serious constraints. | 15:46 |
| paulproteus | But no serious constraints, I mean. | 15:46 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: then 1-1.25 hours from now is the ETA :) | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | Great. | 15:47 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: do you think writing tests for cc.license should be on my to-do list? i vote "yes". | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, Yes, though keep in mind there already are some tests. | 15:47 |
| paulproteus | They even all pass, as I recall. | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | The tests are defining the API, which isn't fully designed. | 15:48 |
| ftobia | ah, they were hiding. cc/license/tests.py | 15:48 |
| paulproteus | ./bin/nosetests I think runs them. | 15:49 |
| ftobia | nah it's not set up. it's some zope testing something or other. | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | Er, okay. | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | For cc.license in svn, or in git? | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | cc.license moved into git. | 15:49 |
| ftobia | can i move them to a central location? like /tests? | 15:49 |
| ftobia | ohh | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | There are two implementations, and I think the cc.license in svn is abandonware. | 15:49 |
| ftobia | this changes <em>everything</em> | 15:49 |
| paulproteus | This is not the first time what you're doing has been tried. | 15:50 |
| * paulproteus looks at viewsvn | 15:50 | |
| paulproteus | Yeah, these use the old-school data storage. | 15:51 |
| paulproteus | Use the new git hotness. | 15:51 |
| ftobia | that did seem suspicious.. | 15:53 |
| ftobia | do you think it's better to have tests within cc/license, or in the root? i'm initially skeptical, but keeping all the source together might be a good idea. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | cc/license/tests/ I'd say. | 15:55 |
| paulproteus | That way it imports as cc.license.tests. | 15:55 |
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| paulproteus | Man, the twisted irony. | 15:58 |
| paulproteus | I can hardly take it. | 15:58 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 15:59 |
| ftobia | is RDF a home-made module, or available on pypi? i see an 'rdf' module, but i know how capitalization matters. | 16:00 |
| greg-g | in response to LUGRadio going offline, there is now discussion of a MiLoCo Radio beginning on twitter | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, ./bin/buildout etc. should work, and should make these questions answerable by your own machine. | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | LUGRadio went offline? | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | Huh. | 16:00 |
| greg-g | they're done, "go out on a high" kinda mentality | 16:00 |
| greg-g | this year's LUGRadio Live will be the last show | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | Oh, huh. | 16:01 |
| Bovinity | http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1208 | 16:01 |
| greg-g | yeah | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | jonobac.on | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | jonobac.on.ca # probably possible | 16:01 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: see i thought so too, but i'm getting "ImportError: No module named RDF" | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, Then I probably suck. | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | Probably the Ubuntu package python-rdflib. | 16:02 |
| paulproteus | Actually that dependency might not be part of pypi. | 16:03 |
| paulproteus | Now that I think about it. | 16:03 |
| * paulproteus backpedals on the blame | 16:03 | |
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| rejon | yah, that is a good idea on killing lugradio live | 16:06 |
| rejon | good for things to have an end | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, omg, labs/techblog looks good! | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | Bovinity! | 16:06 |
| Bovinity | !! | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | I was sort of shaken and my friend asked me, "What?" when she heard the "oh my god!". | 16:07 |
| Bovinity | gonna experiment wiht some branding tweaks, but otherwise | 16:07 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: yeah, installing python-rdflib doesn't do it, nor including "rdflib" as a dependency (which i guess is the same package) | 16:07 |
| * paulproteus searches machine to see who's responsible for /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/RDF.py | 16:08 | |
| ftobia | thanks. | 16:08 |
| paulproteus | Er, not found. | 16:09 |
| paulproteus | Hmm. | 16:09 |
| paulproteus | python-librdf | 16:09 |
| paulproteus | There we go. | 16:09 |
| ftobia | that's schizophrenic. | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to hide from IRC now. Ping if you need me. | 16:11 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Which machine are you referring to when regarding python2.5? | 16:24 |
| nkinkade | (And I know you hold python2.5 in high regard) | 16:25 |
| nkinkade | If it happens to be be a7, then I installed it a few days ago because mta.sciencecommons.org needs it, apparently. | 16:26 |
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| tim_hwang_ | currybot list | 17:03 |
| currybot | (1) PUNJABI CHANNA PANEER (Garbanzo beans and cottage cheese cubes cooked together) | 17:03 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZI LAJAWAB (Fresh Vegetables cooked in gravy of garlic, ginger, tomatoes, and spinach) | 17:03 |
| currybot | (3) ADRAKI CHICKEN (Boneless chicken cubes cooked with lemon, tamarind, curry leaves, garlic, and ginger flavored curry souce) | 17:03 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) | 17:03 |
| tim_hwang_ | man, i missed out today | 17:03 |
| tim_hwang_ | : ( | 17:03 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I have no idea what you are talking about re: python2.5. | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Nevermind. I just misread one of your earlier messages. | 17:05 |
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| mlinksva | rejon stabbed two vampires today | 17:15 |
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| rejon | and it felt good... | 17:16 |
| rejon | months waiting, stalking... ;) | 17:16 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, It's going to take, like, two to three days to figure out what is wrong with the API-based querying. | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | Think it's worth worrying about? | 17:21 |
| paulproteus | Or should I focus on stuff NY cares about first? (-: | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | There's all sorts of nonsense going on here. | 17:22 |
| paulproteus | Sample error from the logs: | 17:23 |
| paulproteus | invalid literal for int(): xt/javascript"> | 17:23 |
| paulproteus | !?!? | 17:23 |
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| paulproteus | Yahoo gave me back invalid XML, it seems. xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError instance at 0xb5a113cc | 17:23 |
| paulproteus | Just to name two totally weird problem.s | 17:23 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: i guess the api-based querying is not super high priority | 17:24 |
| mlinksva | are the dumps linked from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Metrics up to date, ie do they have the data replaced from the old tsv logs? | 17:25 |
| paulproteus | The broken data is either missing or replaced by the TSV-sourced data. | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | I can re-run the generate-csvs script that will make sure the old CSVs are there. | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | Doing so right now. | 17:26 |
| rejon | if you can file or note what is broken, good to do...NY will get pissed you working on this ;) | 17:26 |
| paulproteus | I don't think we ever really talk about the API-based queries anyway. | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | I'll check on that in a sec. | 17:27 |
| mlinksva | permission error on http://labs.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/csv-dumps/ | 17:27 |
| paulproteus | Fixing it. | 17:28 |
| paulproteus | Er, I wonder why. | 17:30 |
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| lasouris93 | salut y a quelqui parle francais ici ??? | 17:33 |
| lasouris93 | salut y a quelqu'un parle francais ici ??? | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | lasouris93, Oui, qu'est-ce qui arrive ? | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | (qq'un *qui* parle...) | 17:34 |
| lasouris93 | ce slon conserne quel sujet ??? | 17:34 |
| lasouris93 | ce salon conserne quel sujet ??? | 17:34 |
| lasouris93 | je cherche un salon spécial | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | a quel sujet? | 17:35 |
| paulproteus | Je veux dire - tu cherce un salon à quel sujet? | 17:35 |
| paulproteus | cherche | 17:35 |
| lasouris93 | tous ce qui touche du hack ... | 17:35 |
| lasouris93 | c'est bien vers ici | 17:35 |
| lasouris93 | ???alors??? | 17:36 |
| paulproteus | Si tu a besoin des numéros des cc, tu peux envoyer un courriel à tips@fbi.gov... | 17:36 |
| paulproteus | Ma francais n'est pas excellent - qu'est que ca veut dire, "hack"? | 17:37 |
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| paulproteus | Salut biloute ... | 17:37 |
| lasouris93 | je suis news ds le truc | 17:37 |
| lasouris93 | je souhaite apprendre | 17:37 |
| biloute | salut | 17:38 |
| biloute | salut la souris | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | Que veux-tu apprendre ? | 17:38 |
| biloute | bein aidez le les gars si vous pouvez | 17:38 |
| lasouris93 | on pe parlé en pv | 17:38 |
| paulproteus | Ici nous parlons des contraits Creative Commons | 17:38 |
| biloute | si tu donne a ton prochain dieu te le rendra lol | 17:38 |
| lasouris93 | c koi exactement | 17:38 |
| Steren | tiens on parle français ici maintenant ? | 17:39 |
| lasouris93 | serieu | 17:39 |
| lasouris93 | lol | 17:39 |
| paulproteus | Ici on discute les droits des auteurs, «copyright» aux etats-unis. | 17:39 |
| lasouris93 | serieux ??? | 17:39 |
| lasouris93 | vs parlé de skimming ect | 17:39 |
| biloute | skimming c ce qui touche au carding | 17:39 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Peut-être tu peut l'expliquer à notre amis nouevaux. | 17:39 |
| lasouris93 | oui exact | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | biloute, tu peux envoyer un courriel à tips@fbi.gov. | 17:40 |
| lasouris93 | explik moi | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | fr.creativecommons.org explique Creative Commons | 17:40 |
| lasouris93 | oui et ca me sert a koi d elui envoyé un email | 17:40 |
| Steren | pour ce qui concerne le skimming, n'hésite pas à envoyer un mail ici :  tips@fbi.gov... | 17:40 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: i just sent an email about what is urgent re stats | 17:40 |
| lasouris93 | en faite je n'ai aucun matériel j'ai des fond | 17:40 |
| lasouris93 | et je souhaite faire un truc | 17:40 |
| Steren | Ici on ne parle pas de carte bleue, mais de license Creative COmmons (cc) | 17:41 |
| Steren | donc je suppose que vous n'êtes pas dans le bon salon | 17:41 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, Merci - je le regarderai en un moment ! | 17:41 |
| Steren | pour les cartes bleus, voyez avec tips@fbi.gov. | 17:41 |
| lasouris93 | c ou ca | 17:41 |
| lasouris93 | kel salon | 17:41 |
| Steren | envoyer un mail suffira | 17:41 |
| lasouris93 | et en francais | 17:41 |
| paulproteus | bien sur en francais ! | 17:41 |
| lasouris93 | mais c le fbi ca lol | 17:41 |
| lasouris93 | kel **** lol | 17:42 |
| Steren | ils sont international ne t'en fais pas | 17:42 |
| lasouris93 | oui c le fbi | 17:42 |
| lasouris93 | t vraiment une belle peau | 17:42 |
| Steren | Bon pour résumer : vous n'êtes pas dans le salon que vous cherchez | 17:42 |
| lasouris93 | ok mdfci | 17:42 |
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| paulproteus | Steren, Can you explain "mdfci"? | 17:43 |
| Steren | I like the  tips@fbi.gov idea | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | c le fbi lol | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 17:43 |
| Steren | mdfci, I think it's a typping mistalke for "merci" | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | bom mdfci | 17:44 |
| paulproteus | We could set up lol@creativecommons.org as a forwarder to tips@fbi.gov maybe. | 17:45 |
| Bovinity | i take it they weren't looking for international copyright tips. my french isn't what it used to be. | 17:45 |
| paulproteus | c'est le fbi, lol | 17:45 |
| greg-g | cc@creativecommons.org ? | 17:46 |
| Steren | it would be great | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | That occurred to me too. | 17:46 |
| greg-g | ccnumbers@ | 17:46 |
| Steren | :) | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | But I'm just stuck on this "lol" thing. | 17:46 |
| greg-g | haha | 17:46 |
| Steren | well "lol", it's english don't try to find a french meaning :) | 17:47 |
| paulproteus | I know (-: | 17:47 |
| paulproteus | c.f. http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:BRBFBI.jpg | 17:48 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, Fixed re: 403 | 17:49 |
| paulproteus | Time to regen those CSVs. | 17:49 |
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| bassel | hello every body | 17:53 |
| bassel | rejon hi :) | 17:53 |
| bassel | rejon two days trying to catch u | 17:54 |
| rejon | hahaha | 17:55 |
| rejon | I'm here | 17:55 |
| rejon | get me in #openclipart | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: By the way, the stats database is all MyISAM. | 17:56 |
| rejon | this channel is already noisy with tons of bots | 17:56 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Dagnabit. | 17:56 |
| paulproteus | That sucks. | 17:56 |
| paulproteus | I can't believe it hasn't corrupted itself yet. | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | Have you run into a problem with it? | 17:56 |
| bassel | going there right now :) | 17:56 |
| paulproteus | MyISAM is the evil one, right? | 17:56 |
| bassel | paulproteus MyISAM is cool | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | MyISAM is the default table type, so I figure it can't be that horrendous. | 17:57 |
| paulproteus | This is MySQL we're talking about. | 17:57 |
| nkinkade | The default able type for MySQL, that is. | 17:57 |
| paulproteus | I'll leave the way it is since we do backups. | 17:58 |
| bassel | sure it's MySQL | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | If the MySQL folks had reason to believe that it was evil then I doubt they'd make it the default. | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | I don't know if history agrees with your trust in their judgement. | 17:58 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, You're okay with doing the estimate using the code Giorgos wanted us to not use? | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | (I mean, it was used last time after all.) | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | (And it really generated a number.) | 17:59 |
| nkinkade | In any case, from the little I understand, MyISAM does some things well, but in may instances Innodb is more appropriate. | 17:59 |
| * paulproteus shrugs, agreed it's "not a big deal," except that it's still evil to not do transactions by default. | 18:00 | |
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| Steren | http://irc2go.com/?q=credit+card > the CC channel arrives in the 4th place | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | It's called the CC channel for a reason! | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | Oh man, it shows up higher because we mention it in the topic. | 18:01 |
| paulproteus | That's hilarious. | 18:01 |
| Bovinity | haha | 18:01 |
| bassel | haha | 18:01 |
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| paulproteus | Er, Parker, come back. | 18:02 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, Back CSVs re-generated. | 18:03 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, Harvard Graphics! | 18:08 |
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| paulproteus | tim_hwang_, 131013118 is your new minimum estimate, if you like. | 18:17 |
| paulproteus | Okay, there is a template called "Coolbox" on our wiki!? | 18:17 |
| rejon | yeah | 18:19 |
| rejon | some sets of boxes for putting things into to look pretty | 18:20 |
| rejon | Infobox | 18:20 |
| rejon | Alertbox | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 18:20 |
| paulproteus | Roflbox | 18:21 |
| Bovinity | it pains me that all these boxes are tables. | 18:21 |
| rejon | tis a wiki...fix em bovinity! | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: How do you feel about moving stats off of a5 soon-ish? | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | Er, I'd rather leave all of it there. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | Why? | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | OH right. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | Dear lord. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | Dance dance amd64. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | I don't think it would survive a formatting of the disk. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | Or of certain filesystems, taht is. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Er, wait. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | I never mkfs'd on the / filesystem when upgrading a8. | 18:25 |
| paulproteus | Nor should you. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | Right. | 18:26 |
| * paulproteus ponders | 18:26 | |
| paulproteus | I'd rather leave it there and miss a day's data than do the fighting necessary to move it. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | But it seems like the machine could be down for a bit, and that it'd be safer all around to just move it. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | But if you're fine with leaving it, then I'm fine with that. | 18:26 |
| paulproteus | It should only be down for 1-4 hours. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | Okay. We'll just leave it in place, then. | 18:26 |
| * paulproteus nods. | 18:26 | |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: is tilecache.(cc).org in use for anything right now (ccLearn?) | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, ccLearn, yes. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | I suppose I should switch it up or something. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | I'll see if I can make ccLearn stop depending on it, just one sec. | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | I guess it can keep relying on it, but it'll be on a6 instead of a5. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | If you switch DNS and do the usual proxy nonsense then that's fine. | 18:34 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: I've never used Harvard Graphics. Seemed funny at the time. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Do I need to do anything, then? | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Basically - OK if I do nothing? | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Seems to me like it will be, but maybe I misunderstand you. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Yeah, no need to do anything. Will that one require a proxypass or something similar? | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | Or can it just transition naturally as DNS converges? | 18:38 |
| nkinkade | I'm also thinking to not use ProxyPass, but instead setup diff. backends for Varnish, which should work fine, I think ... hope. | 18:39 |
| paulproteus | Sure, that's okay with me to not use Apache for proxying but Varnish instead. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | In the past, when doing this for non-CC machines, Apache was all we had. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | We were poor and our shoes were made from refurbished Apache. | 18:41 |
| paulproteus | re: transition naturally: Sure, there are no writes to that service, so DNS-based transition is okay. | 18:41 |
| paulproteus | The reason to do Proxying is for services with writes, really. | 18:41 |
| paulproteus | Whoa, according to this map, CC is going more places! | 18:45 |
| nkinkade | We may not need to proxy any of the sites. Not one of those sites uses a database. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | Or at least not a MySQL database. | 18:46 |
| nkinkade | So it may be sufficient to just move the stuff, make sure they work and then cut over the DNS. Y ya! | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | Do they have any state at all? | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | I guess all in the filesystem. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | And none of it modifiable by users on the web? | 18:47 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: two things about labs, or i guess just the theme -- there should be a link to cc0 under explore labs, and maybe to the developer wiki article as well. second, individual posts don't display what categories they're in | 18:48 |
| Bovinity | hmm, i notice a problem with the category views... http://labs.creativecommons.org/category/license-engine/ for instance. | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Okay on the CC0 thing, but there is already a tab at the top to the developer wiki. | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | Should there be a link in addition to the tab? | 18:51 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: yr right abut the dev wiki, nevermind that comment | 18:51 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you already have a good idea about what is the problem with the theme for categories? | 18:51 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: no, but i can look into it | 18:51 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: But are you okay with the cc4 theme for labs/techblog? | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | I rather just did it rather than getting a consensus. | 18:52 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity and I were talking on Friday about how it might be better to change the background color of the header bar to distinguish it from the main CC site. | 18:53 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Any more thoughts on what color would be best? | 18:53 |
| Bovinity | blue's out. so, any of yellow, orange, red, brown perhaps | 18:54 |
| Bovinity | favicon is wonky. and by wonky, i mean wp-mu default. | 18:55 |
| nkinkade | Did there used to be a favicon for Labs? | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Since you're an expert at image editing, would you mind just whipping something up for that header background image? | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | The last time I tried to do it you had to stand over my should and tell me what to do anyway. | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | (When I was making the one for neurocommons) | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | I'll look into the category problem if you can handle that image. | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Where are categories missing from at Labs and what weirdness did you notice? | 19:02 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: go to that category url i pasted, you'll notice the page fails to complete loading | 19:03 |
| Bovinity | arbitrary category, tehy all do it | 19:03 |
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| nkinkade | It should work now. | 19:07 |
| greg-g | riddle me this: why when I query (in the CC wiki) for Category:Incomplete I get results but not when I query for Category:Translations, they are both templates in use. I am probably missing some obvious distinction between them. | 19:09 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: yeah, overall the theme is great for labs | 19:11 |
| nkinkade | mlinksva: Do you agree that a different color in the header bar would help to visually distinguish it from the main CC site a little, since they now look not totally dissimilar? | 19:13 |
| tim_hwang_ | paulproteus -- gah, thanks! | 19:13 |
| tim_hwang_ | srry about the delay -- tinkering over the press release | 19:13 |
| mlinksva | nkinkade: whatever Bovinity says re colour | 19:16 |
| paulproteus | tim_hwang_, No worries. | 19:16 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: What say you? | 19:16 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: looknig at the best fit right now | 19:16 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: http://10.0.2.168/~bse/wordpress/ load? | 19:22 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: 404 | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | that's weird | 19:23 |
| nkinkade | Wait. It had localhost in the address ... let me try that again. | 19:23 |
| Bovinity | oh, it could be my wordpress redirecting to localhost/, which is a barrel of failure | 19:23 |
| nkinkade | That must be it. | 19:23 |
| Bovinity | ah, now try it! | 19:25 |
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| ftobia | nkinkade: say, how long are our (the interns') @cc.org email addresses going to be around? | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | ftobia: I'm not sure, but I would imagine that they'll go away when you leave at the end of the summer. | 19:32 |
| ftobia | alright cool, thanks. | 19:32 |
| nkinkade | So it's probably a good case to not get too too many people used to writing you at that address, except for internal stuff and external where it relates only to CC. | 19:33 |
| ftobia | yeah definitely. | 19:33 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | I've got to say that the spam filtering that Google Apps does isn't as aggressive as that of CTyme. | 19:34 |
| paulproteus | I will quietly admit that sometimes that is a good thing. | 19:34 |
| paulproteus | I guess if there's a task beginning with "Undo the mess I made" that means I should do it now, not be afraid of it and put it off forever. | 19:37 |
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| nkinkade | Ooh, Bovinity, nice color at Labs. | 20:05 |
| Bovinity | done, and fixed a couple typography issues i noticed | 20:06 |
| nkinkade | And the categories are now shown in single post views. | 20:07 |
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| greg-g | asheesh is making crazy sounds over here | 20:13 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, http://xkcd.com/442/ | 20:19 |
| paulproteus | Look for "Taft". | 20:20 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: you need a beret | 20:28 |
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| paulproteus | mlinksva, For the French? | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | BTW, I'd be honored to receive one. | 20:34 |
| greg-g | sounds like a job for, Steren! "I'm from France" | 20:34 |
| mlinksva | paulproteus: see the bakery frame | 20:37 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 20:38 |
| greg-g | alrighty, time to mosy homeward | 20:39 |
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| greg-g | hi | 20:43 |
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| paulproteus | http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/UXru0FThfONxJQ95oPnaBw?select=Tev8o8KM6ByG_QMkzNAeHg | 20:43 |
| paulproteus | etc. | 20:43 |
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| greg-g | bye | 20:44 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 20:47 |
| mlinksva | but it smells bad there | 20:50 |
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