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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 00:21 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 02:38 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 03:08 |
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| paulproteus | luisv, awake? | 03:15 |
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| vinodhrjana | Guys | 04:15 |
| vinodhrjana | I have a doubt in by-nc-nd | 04:15 |
| vinodhrjana | anyone there ? | 04:16 |
| vinodhrjana | ? | 04:20 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 09:12 |
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| luisv | paulproteus: I thought you said tuesday was better than monday? | 09:43 |
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| nathany | luisv: i doubt paulproteus is awake | 09:47 |
| luisv | heh | 09:47 |
| luisv | young'uns | 09:47 |
| nathany | i know ;) | 09:47 |
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| luisv | though admittedly I was loving it when jet lag meant I was up at 5:30-6 | 09:52 |
| luisv | meant I was actually functional by 9 | 09:52 |
| nathany | heh | 09:54 |
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| jibot | ftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture | 10:29 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 10:55 |
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| jibot | currybot is currytastic and <3 fair use | 10:58 |
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| ftobia | currybot: how are you today? | 10:59 |
| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 10:59 |
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| jibot | bovinity is brilliant | 11:22 |
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| paulproteus | currybot, list | 11:26 |
| nathany | currybot: list | 11:29 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 11:29 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 11:29 |
| bovinity | there, fixed that "nickname," issue. | 11:31 |
| ftobia | i think currybot is having some issues. | 11:33 |
| ftobia | let me investigate.. | 11:33 |
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| bovinity | currybot2, curry? | 11:34 |
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| bovinity | ftobia: i think it's falling over trying to parse "(1) PANEER BHURJI (Today?s Special!!!) " | 11:37 |
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| bovinity | how dare they change their naming scheme like that. | 11:38 |
| ftobia | i think i might have screwed it up. | 11:38 |
| bovinity | they also really phoned in the description for #1 | 11:39 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 11:41 |
| ftobia | yeah something's blowing up. | 11:41 |
| bovinity | too many ('s | 11:42 |
| ftobia | yeah. | 11:43 |
| ftobia | curses. | 11:43 |
| nathany | ncurses! | 11:43 |
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| bovinity | currybot2, list | 11:45 |
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| bovinity | currybot2, list | 11:46 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 11:47 |
| bovinity | dastardly parenthesis. | 11:47 |
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| ftobia | currybot: list | 11:47 |
| bovinity | we ought to complain about their menu, and hwo it should conform to our robot needs. | 11:48 |
| ftobia | i'll get it eventually... | 11:48 |
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| ftobia | currybot:1 | 11:48 |
| currybot | PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) (Homemade Cottage Cheese cooked with fresh minced onions, garlic with diced tomato and green peas) Our Chef’s special preparation of the day!! | 11:48 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 11:48 |
| ftobia | that'll do for now. | 11:48 |
| ftobia | in other news, development on currybot will soon move to #cc-currybot so as not to dominate. | 11:49 |
| ftobia | currybot: list | 11:49 |
| currybot | (1) PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) | 11:49 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-JEERA (Fresh vegetables cooked with roasted cumin, garlic, and red onions) | 11:49 |
| currybot | (3) KAJU KI MURGI (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in cashew paste, coconut, saffron, and tomato curry) | 11:49 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL KADAHI (Beef Meatballs cooked with green and red bell peppers and onions) | 11:49 |
| bovinity | almost | 11:49 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 11:59 |
| paulproteus | mlinksva, ohloh.net btw is what I mentioned yesterday. | 12:18 |
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| paulproteus | greg-g, Building your amd64 packages now... | 12:45 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: weeee | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | Fetched 26.2MB in 6s (4297kB/s) | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Try using the CC repo now and installing python-liblicense. | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Honestly, I don't really know if it'll work, so try it. (-; | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | Then from a python interpreter, do 'import liblicense', and if nothing terrible happens, you're good. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | mirrors.creativecommons.org/packages/ | 12:56 |
| greg-g | installing now | 12:57 |
| nathany | greg-g: your laptop is amd64? | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | <greg-g> actually I don't have amd64 machines, I just made a fuss to tease paulproteus | 12:57 |
| greg-g | nathany: yeah | 12:59 |
| nathany | what's the battery life like? | 12:59 |
| greg-g | 3.25-4 hours | 12:59 |
| nathany | cool | 12:59 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 12:59 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: no errors with the import | 12:59 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Sweet, then I'll announce this to cc-devel. | 13:00 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 13:00 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: awesome, and close that bug! ;) | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, How about you close the bug? (-: | 13:00 |
| greg-g | will do | 13:00 |
| greg-g | :) | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | Sweet. | 13:00 |
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| greg-g | danger danger, 10 minutes of battery life remaining and no outlet in sight | 13:15 |
| paulproteus | Danger, danger - low voltage! | 13:16 |
| paulproteus | Somebody better notify the chief of police! | 13:16 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I like creating tasks like http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Create_amd64_packages_for_Ubuntu_for_liblicense that I mark as completed at creation time. | 13:16 |
| nathany | heh | 13:17 |
| paulproteus | nathany, BTW got the email confirmation. | 13:17 |
| nathany | great | 13:17 |
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| ftobia | paulproteus: i confess, not only do i understand your "danger danger" reference above, but i've had that song stuck in my head all morning. | 13:23 |
| paulproteus | (-: ! | 13:23 |
| paulproteus | I'm also super hungry. | 13:23 |
| bovinity | fire in the disco, fire in the taco bell | 13:24 |
| paulproteus | I'd be up for curry like now. | 13:24 |
| bovinity | currybot: 3 | 13:25 |
| currybot | KAJU KI MURGI (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in cashew paste, coconut, saffron, and tomato curry) This dish comes from the Southeastern Indian community. This dish is prepared by first grinding the spices with fresh coconut milk, cashew, fennel seeds, cumin’s, green chilies, red onions, ginger, garlic, roasted saffron, fresh mint, mustard and coriander seeds. The chicken cubes are kept marinated in this spices paste for a lon | 13:25 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 13:25 |
| bovinity | sounds good. | 13:25 |
| paulproteus | in this spaces paste for a lon | 13:26 |
| paulproteus | That reminds me of an "obvious" lolcat photo: | 13:26 |
| paulproteus | truncat | 13:26 |
| ftobia | nathany: can i get a link to your flickr photo stream? for standup meeting pictures. | 13:26 |
| nathany | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan_y/ | 13:26 |
| ftobia | currybot: 1 | 13:26 |
| currybot | PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) (Homemade Cottage Cheese cooked with fresh minced onions, garlic with diced tomato and green peas) Our Chef’s special preparation of the day!! | 13:26 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:26 |
| ftobia | ...cottage cheese? | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | 1 and 3 are the winners. I hope the rice is Basmati again. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, It's not what you think. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | It's paneer. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | पनीर! | 13:27 |
| ftobia | wow | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | The WP page has only lame pictures. | 13:27 |
| nathany | currybot: 2 | 13:27 |
| currybot | SUBZ-E-JEERA (Fresh vegetables cooked with roasted cumin, garlic, and red onions) This dish is prepared with blue lake beans, potatoes, cauliflower, mushrooms, carrots, cut corns, red bell pepper and eggplants. The base gravy is prepared with roasted cumin, garlic, ginger, red onions, vine ripened tomatoes and many more Indian spices | 13:27 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:27 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: yes, but is it delicious? | 13:28 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 13:29 |
| paulproteus | currybot, count me in today | 13:31 |
| ftobia | hang on, i need to make currybot understand when you use a comma after his name. | 13:31 |
| ftobia | because that's just silly. | 13:32 |
| bovinity | ftobia: i pushed that into git earlier this morning | 13:32 |
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| ftobia | oh nice | 13:33 |
| ftobia | currybot, how are you this fine afternoon? | 13:33 |
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| ftobia | currybot: ? | 13:33 |
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| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 13:33 |
| paulproteus | bovinity++ # collaborative development | 13:34 |
| bovinity | yay git. | 13:34 |
| ftobia | yay curry | 13:34 |
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| Steren | currybot: list | 13:35 |
| currybot | (1) PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) | 13:35 |
| currybot | (2) SUBZ-E-JEERA (Fresh vegetables cooked with roasted cumin, garlic, and red onions) | 13:35 |
| currybot | (3) KAJU KI MURGI (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in cashew paste, coconut, saffron, and tomato curry) | 13:35 |
| currybot | (4) MEATBALL KADAHI (Beef Meatballs cooked with green and red bell peppers and onions) | 13:35 |
| Steren | currybot: 3 | 13:35 |
| currybot | KAJU KI MURGI (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in cashew paste, coconut, saffron, and tomato curry) This dish comes from the Southeastern Indian community. This dish is prepared by first grinding the spices with fresh coconut milk, cashew, fennel seeds, cumin’s, green chilies, red onions, ginger, garlic, roasted saffron, fresh mint, mustard and coriander seeds. The chicken cubes are kept marinated in this spices paste for a lon | 13:35 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 13:35 |
| Steren | currybot: order,deliver 3 | 13:36 |
| currybot | Steren: mmm... curry... | 13:36 |
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| paulproteus | I'm still up for curry ASAP. | 13:46 |
| nathany | it's peanut butter and curry time! | 13:51 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 13:51 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ^^ | 13:51 |
| bovinity | it sure is. it sure is. | 13:51 |
| mlinksva | currybot: i owe nathany $5 | 13:53 |
| currybot | mlinksva: mmm... curry... | 13:53 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: help? | 13:54 |
| currybot | davidstrauss: mmm... curry... | 13:54 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: help? | 13:54 |
| currybot | davidstrauss: mmm... curry... | 13:54 |
| davidstrauss | how does the currybot work? | 13:54 |
| mlinksva | the people who can explain all just went out for curry | 13:54 |
| mlinksva | currybot: 2 | 13:54 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, around? | 13:54 |
| currybot | SUBZ-E-JEERA (Fresh vegetables cooked with roasted cumin, garlic, and red onions) This dish is prepared with blue lake beans, potatoes, cauliflower, mushrooms, carrots, cut corns, red bell pepper and eggplants. The base gravy is prepared with roasted cumin, garlic, ginger, red onions, vine ripened tomatoes and many more Indian spices | 13:54 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:54 |
| paulproteus | We leave in a sec. | 13:54 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: 1 | 13:55 |
| currybot | PANEER BHURJI (Today’s Special!!!) (Homemade Cottage Cheese cooked with fresh minced onions, garlic with diced tomato and green peas) Our Chef’s special preparation of the day!! | 13:55 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:55 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: 2 | 13:56 |
| currybot | SUBZ-E-JEERA (Fresh vegetables cooked with roasted cumin, garlic, and red onions) This dish is prepared with blue lake beans, potatoes, cauliflower, mushrooms, carrots, cut corns, red bell pepper and eggplants. The base gravy is prepared with roasted cumin, garlic, ginger, red onions, vine ripened tomatoes and many more Indian spices | 13:56 |
| currybot | $5.00 | 13:56 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: 3 | 13:56 |
| currybot | KAJU KI MURGI (Boneless free-range chicken cooked in cashew paste, coconut, saffron, and tomato curry) This dish comes from the Southeastern Indian community. This dish is prepared by first grinding the spices with fresh coconut milk, cashew, fennel seeds, cumin’s, green chilies, red onions, ginger, garlic, roasted saffron, fresh mint, mustard and coriander seeds. The chicken cubes are kept marinated in this spices paste for a lon | 13:56 |
| currybot | $ 5.00 | 13:56 |
| davidstrauss | currybot: 12345 | 14:00 |
| currybot | davidstrauss: mmm... curry... | 14:00 |
| davidstrauss | currybot++ | 14:01 |
| shannonlucas | currybot: 42 | 14:01 |
| currybot | shannonlucas: mmm... curry... | 14:01 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 14:07 |
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| bovinity | currybot: 3++, would eat again. | 14:55 |
| paulproteus | ?karma 3 | 14:55 |
| jibot | 3 has -5 points | 14:55 |
| paulproteus | Er, that's interesting. | 14:55 |
| bovinity | currybot: confused? | 14:56 |
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| currybot | bovinity: mmm... curry... | 14:59 |
| currybot | bovinity: mmm... curry... | 14:59 |
| bovinity | laaaaaaag | 14:59 |
| ftobia | currybot: hi again. | 14:59 |
| currybot | ftobia: mmm... curry... | 14:59 |
| paulproteus | Someone ^Z the currybot? | 14:59 |
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| ftobia | yeah. | 15:00 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: what is the proper abbreviation for firefox? | 15:02 |
| bovinity | haha | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?def firefox | 15:03 |
| jibot | Nobody has defined firefox yet | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?def firefox is Fx | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | Er | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?def firefox is Fx | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is | 15:03 |
| ftobia | it's not Ff? | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | French fries | 15:03 |
| ftobia | Firefox fries | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?learn firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?learn firefox is Fx | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?learn firefox is Fx | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?learn firefox is abbreviated Fx | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT and abbreviated Fx | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | ?forget firefox is FX REALLY I MEAN IT | 15:03 |
| jibot | I now only know that firefox is abbreviated Fx | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | Great, sorry about that everyone. | 15:03 |
| ftobia | ?def firefox | 15:03 |
| jibot | firefox is abbreviated Fx | 15:03 |
| ftobia | woot | 15:04 |
| brianrowe | thx | 15:04 |
| bovinity | ?def flex is abbreviated Fx | 15:04 |
| jibot | flex is abbreviated Fx | 15:04 |
| bovinity | :P | 15:04 |
| brianrowe | How long is the Pow wow? | 15:20 |
| bovinity | ~1 hour | 15:21 |
| brianrowe | thx | 15:21 |
| Steren | paulproteus: nathany: I'm talking with a SMW dev, do you have a MW SVN write access ? | 15:23 |
| nathany | now | 15:23 |
| nathany | no | 15:23 |
| nathany | Steren: ^^ | 15:23 |
| paulproteus | Steren, Nope | 15:23 |
| paulproteus | I saw that email, and, well... | 15:23 |
| nathany | sounds bogus to me | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | ...I think it'd be somewhat sad to move this extension to svn. | 15:24 |
| nathany | (security updates for free? how's that work?) | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Presumably because other committers would commit them. | 15:24 |
| nathany | yeah right | 15:24 |
| Steren | paulproteus: you don't want it to be on svn ? | 15:24 |
| nathany | paulproteus likes the git :) | 15:24 |
| paulproteus | It's true. I mean, do the best thing. | 15:24 |
| Steren | :) | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | I'm holding off from thinking what the best thing. | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | is. | 15:25 |
| * paulproteus goes back to stats stuff | 15:25 | |
| nathany | anyway, do you ask because they're encouraging you to move it there? | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Did you come back from lunch, or did you never go? | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | They are. | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | On SMW-Devel. | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | One dude is at least. | 15:25 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I haven' t gone yet. | 15:26 |
| Steren | nathany: yes they are | 15:26 |
| nathany | is that on smw-devel? | 15:28 |
| bovinity | nathany: did anyone put coffee on? | 15:28 |
| paulproteus | nathany, ya | 15:28 |
| nathany | not yet | 15:28 |
| nathany | stupid sourceforge... i don't see anything in the web-based archives since 11 days ago | 15:29 |
| Steren | I have a meeting with Jen | 15:29 |
| paulproteus | suce forge | 15:29 |
| Steren | we'll talk about this at the stand up meeting | 15:30 |
| paulproteus | (if I recall the verb correctly) | 15:30 |
| nathany | ok | 15:30 |
| paulproteus | Can't we do DDR meetings instead? | 15:30 |
| nathany | wii sports meetings? | 15:30 |
| Steren | paulproteus++ | 15:31 |
| brianrowe | WII! | 15:32 |
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| Coffeebot | mmmm, coffee. | 15:40 |
| Coffeebot | -NickServ- This nickname is registered. | 15:41 |
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| ajbrooks | Coffeebot: is the ccLearn map displaying correctly for you? | 16:15 |
| Coffeebot | mmmm, coffee. | 16:15 |
| Coffeebot | OH NO | 16:15 |
| Coffeebot | the pins aren't showing up | 16:15 |
| paulproteus | OH NO | 16:15 |
| ajbrooks | time for the pizza and burger icons | 16:16 |
| nathany | OH THE HUMANITY! | 16:16 |
| paulproteus | I thought I told nkinkade to do some proxy magic! | 16:16 |
| paulproteus | Maybe I had him do the proxy magic backwards. | 16:16 |
| * paulproteus looks into this | 16:16 | |
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| paulproteus | Fixing this instant. | 16:16 |
| ftobia | nathany: when is the stand up? pow-wow approaches quickly. haikus are awesome. | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | There. | 16:17 |
| paulproteus | ajbrooks, thanks a million for that. | 16:18 |
| nathany | ftobia: i think nkinkade is still @ lunch | 16:18 |
| paulproteus | We should have Nagios run a broken-links-checker on the front page of cc and cclearn or something. | 16:18 |
| ajbrooks | cool thanks | 16:23 |
| paulproteus | I'll be hanging out in my window office. | 16:25 |
| rejon | who schedule 3 pm on friday....uuuuuuugggghhhh ;) | 16:38 |
| rejon | heading in | 16:38 |
| rejon | ?Coffeebot | 16:39 |
| rejon | Coffeebot help? | 16:39 |
| Coffeebot | mmmm, coffee. | 16:39 |
| rejon | Coffeebot: make me coffee by time in office | 16:39 |
| Coffeebot | THERE IS COFFEE, MASTER | 16:39 |
| rejon | Coffeebot: Is that coffee burned? | 16:39 |
| Coffeebot | perhaps :( | 16:39 |
| rejon | this is no bot! | 16:40 |
| rejon | its a human bot | 16:40 |
| Coffeebot | aye, you got me | 16:40 |
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| mlinksva | you've just witnessed a turing test | 16:57 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:57 |
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| greg-g | CC2k8 | 17:29 |
| failTuring | openCurrySummit | 17:31 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant | 17:31 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 17:32 |
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| jibot | brianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 2009 | 17:48 |
| rejon | curry2008 | 17:56 |
| rejon | currycon | 17:56 |
| rejon | cc2k8 (curry-con or creative commons) | 17:56 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 17:57 |
| davidstrauss | currejon | 18:00 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I think Silona's been telling me about you | 18:01 |
| rejon | internal jokes | 18:01 |
| Bovinity | annual report section 5: Curry Consumption | 18:03 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: cool | 18:06 |
| jgay | i hope good things :-) | 18:06 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: surely :-) | 18:06 |
| davidstrauss | she's organizing a huge code-a-thon here in austin in nov. | 18:07 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: yeah, it's going to be awesome, I hope I can make it. | 18:07 |
| davidstrauss | (huge by code-a-thon standards) | 18:07 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I take it you know Silona? | 18:08 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: I'm on the board of the League of Technical Voters | 18:08 |
| jgay | and I've known her for a couple years now | 18:08 |
| davidstrauss | ah, cool | 18:08 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I'm a Drupal core and infrastructure guy | 18:09 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I also manage Wikimedia's fundraising systems and the Wikipedia/OpenLibrary integration work | 18:09 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: oh, neat -- do you work with Aaron S.? | 18:09 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: occasionally | 18:10 |
| jgay | cool | 18:10 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: are you helping with the code-a-thon? | 18:11 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I'm sort of responsible for the facility and some infrastructure | 18:11 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I'm also a CiviCRM contributor | 18:12 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: cool -- sounds like you do a lot of fun hacking. | 18:12 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I'm full-time free software | 18:13 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: awesome | 18:13 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: and so is my company | 18:13 |
| jgay | that's great, what is your company? | 18:13 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: fourkitchens.com | 18:13 |
| jgay | The company I work for is full time free software, too :-) | 18:13 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: don't you work for FSF? | 18:13 |
| jgay | yeah | 18:14 |
| jgay | i was just joking around | 18:14 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: then i guess i'm not too surprised ;-) | 18:14 |
| jgay | we have free bios, too | 18:14 |
| jgay | on most of our machines anyhow | 18:14 |
| jgay | still a few more to replace | 18:14 |
| davidstrauss | jgay: I'm in the process of getting my car a GNU GPL license plate | 18:14 |
| jgay | davidstrauss: that is awesome | 18:15 |
| davidstrauss | I got the idea when the director of a lab I worked at got an R RNA one | 18:15 |
| rejon | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Annual_Report | 18:19 |
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| dhart | hiya. who might I ask about copyright and licencing for extracted metadata? (grammatical parses of works under copyright, web pages, in this case) | 22:03 |
| paulproteus | dhart, What's up? | 22:05 |
| paulproteus | You want to do grammatical parsing to detect a license? | 22:06 |
| dhart | we want to parse entire documents, then publish the parses. | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I see. | 22:06 |
| paulproteus | I can chat with you about what I know about copyright as a non-laywer techie, but you probably should get legal advice. | 22:09 |
| paulproteus | As I understand things, it hinges on if the parses are derivative works of the originals. | 22:09 |
| dhart | so technically we'd be reproducing content under copyright (although this might be technically avoided by some silly tokenizing at the word level), plus the metadata which is probably not technically a derived work, but not a wholly original work either. | 22:09 |
| * paulproteus nods | 22:09 | |
| paulproteus | But OTOH it's machine-generated. | 22:10 |
| dhart | yes, it's a very grey area! | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | And at least in the US, machine-generated works can't be copyrighted. | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | What a pain. | 22:10 |
| dhart | yes, it would be all machine generated. | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | Do you know what the licensing status of e.g. the Brown Corpus is? | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | And the Wall Street Journal parse corpus? | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | Presumably you could follow what they did as a baseline. | 22:10 |
| dhart | there's a parse corpus of WSJ? | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | Yeah... | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | Are you in NLP, or what? (-: | 22:10 |
| paulproteus | http://crl.ucsd.edu/corpora/ - it's part of the Penn Treebank. | 22:11 |
| paulproteus | Admittedly my prof in college went to upenn.edu. | 22:11 |
| dhart | yeah, but I'm just on the fringes. :-) probably others on the RelEx team know of this work. | 22:12 |
| dhart | interesting.. I'm googling for the raw parse data now... | 22:13 |
| paulproteus | Looks like those are under restrictive licenses. | 22:13 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons | 22:14 |
| dhart | I presume you mean the original WSJ works | 22:14 |
| paulproteus | I mean the parse trees too. | 22:15 |
| dhart | we're looking at starting with publishing parses of the Wikipedia main article namespace | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | That'd be easy! | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | Just comply with GFDL and you'd be golden. | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | BTW, in San Francisco there's a startup called... something that is doing that too. | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | Power Set | 22:16 |
| dhart | yes, that's easy in the case of WP, not so easy in the case of everything else | 22:16 |
| dhart | PowerSet, Cognition. | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | Agreed... | 22:16 |
| dhart | rumor mill is that Microsoft is buying powerset | 22:16 |
| paulproteus | I won't comment. | 22:16 |
| dhart | we're affiliated with Wikia Search, so would expand out from WP using URLs dispatched from their Nutch | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | Ah, interesting. | 22:17 |
| dhart | I'm thinking about just slapping a CC license on the metadata, and simply complying with any takedown requests | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | Keep in mind CC licenses don't apply to uncopyrightable data. | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | In my opinion, you should make a clear note that the metadata (the parse trees) are uncopyrightable, and treat them as such. | 22:19 |
| dhart | yes, so the catch is we'd need to attempt to claim copyright on machine-generated metadata, which is questionable | 22:19 |
| dhart | that's an interesting option too | 22:20 |
| paulproteus | You could also urge people to cite you! | 22:20 |
| paulproteus | But you would be hard-pressed to enforce it through copyright anyway, so I figure it's nicer to just not claim to try. | 22:20 |
| dhart | right, it may be possible to attach some type of pseudo-license to use of the 'package' (ARC files) | 22:21 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, an expression of those parse trees could perhaps be copyrightable. | 22:22 |
| dhart | (although I believe WS isn't too concerned about attribution) | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | So it's easy then! (-: | 22:23 |
| dhart | that was my thinking. actually, each sentence will yield 4 ranked parses, since grammar parsing is not a exact science. | 22:23 |
| dhart | so even though it's a machine generated expression, we could try it on (the copyright, that is) | 22:24 |
| dhart | I'm intensely interested in this area, and would like to challenge the notion that machine generated content is uncopyrightable (we're ultimately working toward AI, after all!) | 22:26 |
| paulproteus | But who would own the (C) of the AI-generated work? | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | Do you pay royalties now to that AI? | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | How can that make sense? | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | How do you create incentives for that AI to produce more work using copyright? | 22:27 |
| dhart | all interesting questions which would imply ultimately treating particular AI instances as legal entities (unless they can be 'owned' by another legal entity) | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | The key is this: | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | How can copyright create incentives for an AI to produce more work? | 22:33 |
| dhart | another interesting option is to place AI generated works in the public domain | 22:33 |
| paulproteus | Yes! (-: | 22:33 |
| dhart | do AIs [not work to further human motivations] need that sort of incentive? | 22:34 |
| dhart | that might well be an easy answer for anything associated with the WS project. | 22:34 |
| dhart | er, that's '[not working...' | 22:35 |
| paulproteus | If they don't need the incentive, according the US law there is no reason to grant them the copyright. | 22:39 |
| paulproteus | Naturally I don't know the Australian legal basis of copyright. | 22:39 |
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| dhart | that's what I'm reading into it too, particularly since all that's being generated can be interpreted as just some abstract mathematical graphs (which even include an element of stochasticity) | 22:42 |
| dhart | http://www.jstor.org/pss/1575978 | 22:42 |
| dhart | for legal purposes all this stuff will be US-based (OpenCog/RelEx is funded by US entities, Wikia is a US company, datacenter is in US, etc.) | 22:44 |
| dhart | declaring the metadata public domain is looking likely (until someone claims otherwise, of course!) | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. | 22:45 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to head out for now, but I'll look at that jstor link later! | 22:46 |
| dhart | okay, that's for the chat! | 22:47 |
| ajbrooks | paulproteus: a pink box loads up on the map for me | 23:08 |
| ajbrooks | wait, I just refreshed | 23:08 |
| ajbrooks | it's looking good now | 23:08 |
| ajbrooks | all is well :) | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | ajbrooks, Thanks for checking my work. (-: | 23:13 |
| ajbrooks | anytime haha | 23:14 |
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