Thursday, 2008-06-26

rejonwhat the00:03
rejonmlinksva is in here! what!00:03
mlinksvathe currybot lured me in, but it is hiding00:04
rejonluisv: no good digi spaces now, but I'm working with http://grayareagallery.org to make something solid...my wife lu is showing all her videos there this saturday00:07
rejonlu is http://deerfang.org00:07
rejonI wrote a script for her to play all video files on her hard drive randomly00:07
rejondoing overlap.org show there all september00:07
paulproteusfor thing in $(ls | bogosort -n); do00:08
paulproteusmplayer $thing00:08
paulproteusdone00:08
paulproteusThat's how I find myself listening to albums on random.00:08
paulproteusIt's way easier than fiddling with a GUI music player.00:08
paulproteusAt least, for randomizing an album.00:09
paulproteusSince all the files are just sitting there in the directory.00:09
luisvrejon: oh, suck00:10
luisvrejon: I can't be there saturday :/00:10
rejonluisv: missing the pride parade and more ;) I hear mlinksva gets really into these sf parties ;)00:13
luisvhehe00:13
mlinksvaIn the future we will only be proud of Alan Kay and there won't be any parties00:20
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mlinksvawhich just involve useless LoC00:20
paulproteusLibrary of Congress?00:20
paulproteusIn the grim future of humanity, there is only pride in Alan Kay and no parties.00:21
mlinksvauh00:21
mlinksvaLOC00:21
mlinksvaloc00:21
mlinksvaafter the computer revolution, there is only pride in Alan Kay and maybe parties in his honor00:22
luisvdon't you mean pride in Alan Turing?00:25
* luisv runs00:25
mlinksvagood one00:25
* mlinksva promises to stop hating on Alan Kay00:26
paulproteusgood run00:26
paulproteusBut only after the Smalltalk Revolution.00:27
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/00:56
mlinksvai need more mefi in my life, apparently00:57
luisvsigh00:57
luisvI miss the old, pre-newsfi mefi00:57
luisvalso I miss suck.com.00:58
mlinksvanewsfi?00:58
luisvnewsfilter00:58
mlinksvai think i had't logged in for years00:58
paulproteusI don't think I have an account.00:58
luisvthat so many of the metafilter posts are basically just rehashed news, instead of things I would not have seen otherwise00:58
paulproteusI seem to recall they only allow account-making every once in a short while.00:58
rejontotally, mefi is refried00:58
* paulproteus sighs dreamily at the old days of everything200:59
paulproteusOh, you can always sign up, so long as you give the dude(s) five bucks.00:59
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luisvwhich isn't a bad rule, necessarily00:59
paulproteusSure.00:59
luisvbut it should have been put in place after user 3042 signed up00:59
luisvnot 20K users later00:59
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jibotcurrybot is currytastic and <3 fair use01:00
currybotjibot: mmm... curry...01:00
paulproteusmmm... feedback loop...01:00
paulproteuscurrybot, 1701:00
paulproteuscurrybot: dance, monkey!01:00
currybotpaulproteus: mmm... curry...01:00
ftobiado we like that feedback loop or should i get rid of it?01:00
paulproteusI like 't.01:00
ftobiacurrybot: register01:00
currybotftobia has been registered as a curryite.01:00
paulproteusOh, no.01:00
ftobiacurrybot: unregister01:00
currybotftobia is no longer a curryite.01:00
ftobiacurrybot: unregister01:00
currybotftobia wasn't a curryite to begin with.01:00
ftobiapaulproteus: oh yes.01:01
ftobiait's the dawn of an enlightened curry experience.01:01
paulproteusAnd yet, in your enlightened curry experience, you don't believe in commas.01:03
paulproteusHow formal!01:03
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mlinksvaluisv, thanks for correcting my constitutional understanding of copyright http://www.metafilter.com/14923/01:05
ftobiacommas?01:06
luisvmlinksva: haha01:06
paulproteuscurrybot, IGNORE ME01:06
luisvmlinksva: I wonder who I meant by that 'respected con law professor' comment?01:06
paulproteuscurrybot, dance dance revolution01:06
rejon1"Put that original intent in your pipe and smoke it!"01:06
luisvlessig was at that conference01:06
luisvbut probably not him01:06
luisvoh01:06
luisvhrm, it was one of the Duke guys01:07
ftobiacurrybot only responds to /^currybot / or ^currybot:/ apparently.01:07
currybotftobia: mmm... curry...01:07
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luisvman01:10
luisvthat was a long time ago01:10
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ftobiacurrybot: register01:10
paulproteuscurrybot, En garde!01:10
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ftobiacurrybot: register01:11
paulproteuscurrybot: say nothing01:11
currybotpaulproteus: mmm... curry...01:11
paulproteusHey!01:11
ftobiathird time's the charm.01:11
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ftobiacurrybot: register01:11
currybotftobia has been registered as a curryite.01:11
ftobiacurrybot: register01:12
currybotftobia is already a curryite!01:12
ftobiacurrybot: unregister01:12
mlinksvaindeed01:12
mlinksvacurrybot: register01:12
currybotmlinksva has been registered as a curryite.01:12
paulproteuscurrybot, !passwords01:12
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ftobiacurrybot: unregister01:13
currybotftobia wasn't a curryite to begin with!01:13
ftobiacurrybot: register01:13
currybotftobia has been registered as a curryite.01:13
ftobiacurrybot: unregister01:13
currybotftobia is no longer a curryite.01:13
ftobiafinally.01:13
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ftobiacurrybot: hey how's it going01:39
currybotftobia: mmm... curry...01:39
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ftobiacurrybot: hey01:42
currybotftobia: mmm... curry...01:42
ftobiacurrybot: curryites01:42
currybotThere is no curry cabal.01:42
ftobiacurrybot: register01:42
currybotftobia has been registered as a curryite.01:42
ftobiacurrybot: curryites01:42
currybotftobia is the only member of the curry cabal.01:42
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ftobiacurrybot: curryites01:42
currybotThere is no curry cabal.01:42
ftobiadrat.01:43
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ftobiacurrybot: register01:45
currybotftobia has been registered as a curryite.01:45
ftobiacurrybot: curryites01:45
currybotftobia is the only member of the curry cabal.01:45
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ftobiacurrybot: curryites01:45
currybotftobia is the only member of the curry cabal.01:45
ftobiawoot.01:45
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jibotbrianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 200904:58
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons10:09
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jibotSteren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy11:00
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay11:06
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jibotbovinity is brilliant11:16
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons11:25
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jibotbrianrowe is at Seattle University School of Law, class of 200911:47
Sterenpaulproteus: I can't figure out how to create a SMW wiki account...11:56
SterenI would like to addmy extension to their list11:57
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Sterennathany: the release of SemanticTasks is done (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SemanticTasks) and I'm close to finish the teamspace release (http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcTeamspace), could you think about the specs of my new job ?12:10
nathanyyes12:10
Sterenthanks a lot12:10
nathanySteren: i'm heading into a meeting now, will get this spec'd during/immediately after12:13
Sterenno problem, I've not finished everything yet12:14
ftobiapaulproteus: asking for a public domain non-commercial license should probably return an error. hooray for testing.12:18
nkinkademecredis: You there?12:28
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greg-ghaha, a case study interviewee just emailed back saying that the link to the photo in the case study seems to be broken.  Well, he is half correct, it is broken for him because he is touring in China right now.12:41
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jibotcurrybot is currytastic and <3 fair use12:56
currybotjibot: mmm... curry...12:56
tim_hwangcurrybot register12:57
currybottim_hwang has been registered as a curryite.12:57
tim_hwangcurrybot++12:57
ftobiacurrybot: curryites12:57
currybottim_hwang and ftobia are members of the curry cabal.12:57
Sterencurrybot register12:57
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bovinitycurrybot: register12:57
currybotbovinity has been registered as a curryite.12:58
bovinityneat12:58
greg-gcurrybot: register12:58
currybotgreg-g has been registered as a curryite.12:58
ftobiacurrybot: curryites12:58
greg-guh oh12:58
ftobiayeah..12:58
greg-gthere can be only 212:58
greg-g:)12:58
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ftobiacurrybot: curryites12:59
currybotbovinity, greg-g, tim_hwang, Steren, and ftobia are members of the curry cabal.12:59
bovinitycurrybot: 313:00
currybotPISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) This dish comes from the heart of India the capital New Delhi; chicken cubes are sautéed with pistachio paste. The base sauce is prepared with, coriander, cumin, cloves, cardamom, cinnamon, mace, garlic, ginger, vine ripened tomatoes, red onions and many expensive masala.13:00
currybot$ 5.0013:00
ftobiacurrybot: list13:01
currybot(1) ALOO SHALGAM (Fresh turnips and russets cooked together in garam masala)13:01
currybot(2) RAJ BHOG (Fresh Vegetables cooked in gravy of garlic, ginger, tomatoes, and onions with hint of peanut base)13:01
currybot(3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce)13:01
currybot(4) JEERA MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL)13:01
bovinityi quite like the sound of many expensive masala13:01
ftobiacurrybot: 413:01
currybotJEERA MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) Home made Beef meatballs Braised in Fresh garlic, ginger, onions, and Roma Tomatoes Finished in a Masala of roasted Cumin seeds. An Excellent infusion With an Indian Flavor. This dish was specially created for the all season.13:01
currybot$6.0013:01
DanL-$6 is like 20% more than everything else13:01
ftobiacurrybot: 113:01
currybotALOO SHALGAM (Fresh turnips and russets cooked together in garam masala) Turnips are cooked in almost every pert of India but every region has its own cooking style, here these are cooked in northern style where garam masala is the most commonly used ingredient ,the base is cooked with red onions,ginger,garlic and vine ripened tomatoes with cumin sedds,coriander seeds and turmeric powder. Turnip and russets are cooked in this base13:01
currybot$5.0013:01
DanL-currybot: hammertime13:01
currybotDanL-: mmm... curry...13:01
DanL-no13:01
DanL-currybot: hammertime13:01
currybotDanL-: mmm... curry...13:01
DanL-currybot: HAMMERtime.13:01
currybotDanL-: mmm... curry...13:01
bovinitycurrybot: pop, drop, and lock13:01
currybotbovinity: mmm... curry...13:01
DanL-currybot: not curry time. Hammertime!13:01
currybotDanL-: mmm... curry...13:01
DanL-red alert!!... HAMMERTIME ...red alert!!13:02
DanL-woah13:02
DanL-bad alias.13:02
ftobiacurrybot: 213:02
currybotRAJ BHOG (Fresh Vegetables cooked in gravy of garlic, ginger, tomatoes, and onions with hint of peanut base) This dish is very popular in the Eastern part of India. The ingredients like cardamom, ginger, red onions, garlic, cumin and many more different spices are ground together with peanut base and sautéed on low heat. Then the tomatoes are added and sautéed until juice and pulp is released and then the fresh vegetables like car13:02
currybot$5.0013:02
DanL-currybot: 613:02
currybotDanL-: mmm... curry...13:02
greg-gthe noise level just increased 7,000% in here13:03
tim_hwangcurrybot: initiate emergency sequence13:03
currybottim_hwang: mmm... curry...13:03
DanL-greg I'm taking a break :(13:03
greg-gDanL-: heh, it was only in jest13:05
nkinkadebovinity: Do you have any preference between the techblog theme and that of labs?13:08
nkinkadeNow that they are merging, it seems like it wouldn't be a bad idea to sync the layouts.13:09
bovinitynkinkade: labs layout is old, very old. go with techblog i guess13:09
nkinkadeThe only thing I don't like about the techblog is that it's so narrow.  Do you think it would be bad to widen it just a little?13:10
nkinkadeOr maybe to make it look more like (cc).org???13:10
bovinitywell i'd prefer it looked more like cc.o13:10
nkinkadeYeah, me too.13:10
bovinitynot sure if CC4 will drop right in, though13:11
nkinkadeI don't know how much time it's worth spending on it, but I imagine that it wouldn't be too too hard to port the cc4 theme.13:11
nkinkadeRight, I was thinking that very thing.  I might try to drop it in and she what happens.13:11
bovinitywouldn't hurt13:11
nkinkade... and she sells seashells down by the seashore.13:12
DanL-greg-g I challenge you to a duel.13:12
DanL-:-)13:12
greg-gDanL-: oh?13:12
nathanySteren: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Implement_MediaWiki_metadata_for_SMW13:12
* greg-g slaps DanL- with a white glove13:13
Sterennathany: great13:13
nathanySteren: i'm creating the empty git repository now13:14
nkinkadebovinity: is cc4 not widgetized?13:15
bovinitynkinkade: no13:15
nathanySteren: created13:16
nkinkadeAh.  It seems like cc4 will work for the erstwhile techblog, but with some small modifications.13:16
Sterennathany: thanks13:16
nathanySteren: I'm also going to delegate looking into an SMW template issue for cclearn13:16
nathanyi'll create in teamspace, let me know if you have any questions13:16
Sterennathany: I have to create a template for ccLearn ?13:17
nathanyno, there's already a template, it just has a bug13:17
Sterenok13:18
nathanyi think it'll be simple, i just don't have the cycles to look @ it right now13:18
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nathanySteren: http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Filter_by_property_on_ODEPO_Organization_template13:21
SterenI've allready received the email notification ;)13:22
greg-ghaha13:23
DanL-mediawiki13:24
DanL-who uses that?13:25
DanL-:-D13:25
* DanL- kids13:25
jgaynathany, the create account button on http://teamspace.creativecommons.org is broken13:25
nathanyjgay: it's not broekn13:25
jgayok, i'll try again13:26
nathanyno, it's just not supposed to create accounts :)13:26
nathany(ie, the fact you couldn't means its working fine :) )13:26
jgayahh, that's kind of mean.13:26
nathanyi've been called worse for less ;)13:26
jgayI was excited to read about your templating thing, since I'm doing a lot of templating stuff with smw now13:26
nathanywe'll have a release of teamspace real soon now -- http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CcTeamspace13:27
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons13:27
paulproteusftobia, What is "asking for a public domain non-commercial license should probably return an error. hooray for testing." in relation to?13:28
paulproteusgreg-g, ! (-: re: Great Firewall of China13:28
jgayjust give default read only13:28
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paulproteus"This dish was specially created for the all season."13:29
paulproteusThat sentence speaks for itself.13:29
ftobiapaulproteus: when you're giving answers to the api.13:30
bovinitythe literal translations really make mehfil special13:30
ftobiathe api was returning errors when the license class was 'publicdomain' and you tried to give it an answer to 'commercial' and 'derivatives'. which i think makes sense.13:30
nathanyftobia: yes13:31
paulproteusftobia, I want a publicdomain-class license that allows me the freedom to tie my shoes while posting copies of the work on utility poles.13:31
ftobiaso i've added a test for that. except i think it passes with /get but not with /issue. it's something to look into.13:31
ftobiapaulproteus: duly noted.13:31
jgaypaulproteus: cc by up13:32
paulproteuscc pd should do the trick as-is (-:13:32
nathanyjgay: i assume the "default read only" comment is wrt Teamspace?13:32
nathanythe thing is its not all public information and MediaWiki developers are pretty cagey about page permissions13:32
jgaynathany: yeah, I think it's a good lesson for me, as to why mediawiki is not designed well for collaboration13:33
paulproteusI was reading the MW code and how it does permissions.13:33
nathanywell it's not designed for collaboration with mixed modes of security :)13:34
paulproteusIt's rather safe now.13:34
nathanyhrm13:34
jgaylike, version control systems have trees13:34
jgaybut mediawiki isn't designed around a fundamental principle of trees and branches13:34
paulproteusSan Francisco also has trees.13:34
paulproteusjgay, ikiwiki (-:13:34
jgaytrees and branches exist to regulate a flow of collaboration13:34
paulproteusOr work with me on giving MW a git backend one of these days...13:34
jgaypaulproteus: right13:35
nathanycurrybot: 313:35
currybotPISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce) This dish comes from the heart of India the capital New Delhi; chicken cubes are sautéed with pistachio paste. The base sauce is prepared with, coriander, cumin, cloves, cardamom, cinnamon, mace, garlic, ginger, vine ripened tomatoes, red onions and many expensive masala.13:35
currybot$ 5.0013:35
jgaypaulproteus: I think that ikiwiki is a good version 0.1 toward solving these types of problems. The problem being, how do we apply the free softwrae model to the rest of the world.13:36
paulproteusKeep in mind there isn't one "free software model".13:36
paulproteusBut anyway, back to cleaning up messes I and others have made.13:36
paulproteusnathany, The problem with the stats stuff has to do with Will's import script from years ago, btw.13:37
jgaypaulproteus: sure, I'm familiar with that. However, I'm thinking at one layer of abstraction above that.13:37
nathanypaulproteus: voice13:37
paulproteusLuckily mlinksva found the original data in text files.13:37
jgayin particular, I'm thinking right now in terms of five categories that Chris Kelty uses to define the free software movement and how he applies these to describe it as a "recursive public."13:37
greg-gis the CC search in Firefox only FF3 or is it in FF2 also?13:39
paulproteusFx2 and I think Fx 1.stuff13:39
paulproteusMaybe as early a one point oh.13:39
bovinityprobably 1.513:40
DanL-how does that work btw?13:40
paulproteussearch.creativecommons.org !13:40
paulproteusWhich too few people seem to know about somehow.13:40
nathanyi think it entered in 1.5, but i could be wrong13:40
paulproteusThere's a your mom joke lurking around the corner.13:40
DanL-so how is that different than a works registry?13:40
paulproteusTry it. (-:13:41
paulproteusIn order to build it, we didn't have to accept any data from anyone.13:41
paulproteusTherefore it's not really a registry.13:41
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greg-gpaulproteus: I meant the ability to select it from the search bar built in FF13:42
paulproteusgreg-g, We all agree that that is what is being discussed.13:43
paulproteusThere is no confusion, only meta-confusion.13:43
greg-goh, really? it has been there since 1.5ish?13:43
paulproteusI love when I press enter in X-Chat and it takes 20 seconds to actually submit the message.13:43
* paulproteus should get a better I/O scheduler13:43
nathanyor just stop abusing I/O on his machine ;)13:44
paulproteusOr just stop doing I/O, really.13:44
nathanyabsolutely13:44
nathanynkinkade: can i get a CNAME added to DNS?13:44
nathanyuesearch -> a813:44
nkinkadeSure.  Hold one second ...13:44
nathanythanks13:44
paulproteuslunch -> ftobia's laptop in IPv613:44
* greg-g wonders what this person's problem is with the FF search then...... oh well13:45
nathanygreg-g: what person?13:45
nathanylots of people get confused about how they turned it on, etc13:46
nkinkadenathany: Done.13:46
bovinitygreg-g: is this person accusing us of taking over their firefox? that happens a lot13:46
nathanywe just send them to http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Firefox13:46
paulproteusgreg-g, info email?13:46
paulproteusThe person it control-down and didn't know it.13:46
mlinksvahttp://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/506813:46
mlinksva1.013:46
paulproteusmlinksva is our link to the ancient past.13:46
nkinkadegreg-g: The preferred abbreviation for Firefox is Fx, not FF, just ask paulproteus.13:46
nathanyoh, ffs!13:47
nkinkade:-)13:47
greg-ghis email: (miniflood)13:47
greg-ghow do i get CC search into my Firefox search bar. i'm not following13:47
greg-gthe tutorial: http://search.creativecommons.org/13:47
greg-gwhen i go to the search add ons...i dont see CC as a choice:13:47
greg-ghttps://en-US.add-ons.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0/search-engines/13:47
paulproteusgreg-g, Dude, it's right in there.13:47
paulproteusAlready.13:47
greg-gI know, which is why I was wondering13:47
paulproteusThat's really interesting that he wants to add it as an add-on.13:47
bovinityjust copy and paste that directly out of irc.13:47
paulproteusFor something that's already there.13:47
nathany(or click "Restore Defaults")13:47
mlinksvabefore it was in there http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/428013:47
mlinksvai wonder what happened to steve griffin?13:48
paulproteusYesterday is the four-year anniversary of that post.13:48
paulproteushttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0341363/ ?13:48
paulproteushttp://www.nsf.gov/staff/staff_bio.jsp?lan=sgriffin&org=yourmom may be more likely.13:49
mlinksvahe was from oklahoma and developed christian sites iirc13:50
mlinksvanot him, but this is kind of funny http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevewgriffin13:51
mlinksvachristian music to morpheus to maple cabinets13:51
nathanydiversity!13:51
paulproteusomg wtf maple bbq13:51
mlinksvait is possible i even talked to him in the middle role13:53
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paulproteusmlinksva, Do you think Will committed any of his import code to svn?13:57
paulproteusAKA, can I fix it rather than rewrite it?13:57
mlinksvadon't know13:58
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paulproteusself._currybot = tim_hwang14:03
greg-gheh14:03
nathanypaulproteus:  you might look in the __CVS_IMPORT area on svn14:03
Sterencurrybot14:03
Sterencurrybot list14:04
currybot(1) ALOO SHALGAM (Fresh turnips and russets cooked together in garam masala)14:04
currybot(2) RAJ BHOG (Fresh Vegetables cooked in gravy of garlic, ginger, tomatoes, and onions with hint of peanut base)14:04
currybot(3) PISTA MURG (Boneless chicken cubes cooked in a pistachio curry sauce)14:04
currybot(4) JEERA MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL)14:04
nathanyit might have been committed but not moved when i migrated us to SVN14:04
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greg-ghmmm, maybe currybot should learn private messages?14:04
bovinitycurrybot, 214:04
Sterencurrybot_plus: advise14:04
bovinitycurrybot needs to learn commas14:04
currybotbovinity: mmm... curry...14:04
currybot_pluscurrybot_plus recommends #2 based on a survey14:04
currybot_plusof 15 curryites14:05
Sterencurrybot: 414:05
currybotJEERA MEATBALL MASALA (CHEF’S SPECIAL) Home made Beef meatballs Braised in Fresh garlic, ginger, onions, and Roma Tomatoes Finished in a Masala of roasted Cumin seeds. An Excellent infusion With an Indian Flavor. This dish was specially created for the all season.14:05
currybot$6.0014:05
paulproteusWould this count as a network service under AGPL?14:06
currybot_plusthis product rated 3.5/5 and consumed 16 times over the past 90 days14:06
mlinksvacurrybot: license14:06
currybotmlinksva: mmm... curry...14:06
mlinksvai think so14:06
currybot_plusminksva: licensing enabled14:07
paulproteuscurrybot_plus, please give me your source code.14:07
nathanymlinksva: bovinity paulproteus greg-g (etc) curry in 5 min?14:07
greg-gbrain dump!14:07
SterenI think source code is lost14:07
paulproteusSteren++14:08
currybot_pluspaulproteus: operating currently on web 0.5 technology release Nimble Narwhal14:08
mlinksvanathany: y14:08
* greg-g is in Berkeley14:08
bovinitycurrybot: curryites14:08
currybotbovinity, greg-g, tim_hwang, Steren, and ftobia are members of the curry cabal.14:08
nathanygreg-g: lame14:08
paulproteusnathany, Just naan again.14:08
nathanywhat am i, your naan bitch?14:09
brianrowecurry cabal?14:09
greg-gsay yes!14:09
currybot_pluscurrybot register14:09
currybotcurrybot_plus has been registered as a curryite.14:09
nathanycurrybot register14:09
currybotnathany has been registered as a curryite.14:09
paulproteusgreg-g, http://www.bayareaveg.org/ug/display.htm?id=826 is pretty good.14:09
brianrowecurrybot register14:09
currybotbrianrowe has been registered as a curryite.14:09
paulproteusIn fact if you send a letter to rrrojer she may join you.14:09
DanL-hey brian, you're @ Seattle U Law?14:10
brianroweyes14:10
DanL-my friend Jeni is a 1-L there14:10
DanL-or was14:10
greg-gpaulproteus: cool, thanks!14:10
* greg-g goes to get a sandwich from the fridge14:11
brianroweDanL: Cool, was?  away for the summer?14:11
paulproteus        self.date = "RIGGED TO EXPLODE"14:11
paulproteusI love my code.14:11
DanL-She's working in Seattle and will be a 2L next year14:12
greg-gpaulproteus: at least someone does14:13
greg-gzing!14:13
greg-g;)14:13
nathanysnap!14:13
paulproteushttp://www.archive.org/details/sims_evolved_virtual_creatures_1994 love my code too.14:13
bovinitydaaaaaaammn14:13
DanL-brianrowe you're going to be a 3L?14:14
brianroweahh, I see.  Yep 1 more year to go14:14
nkinkadebovinity: techblog is starting to look a little better.14:15
nkinkadeAny input?  I've had to make some tweaks to the HTML and CSS.14:15
bovinityneat14:16
brianroweIt is fun, although I am running out or IP elective to take.14:16
bovinitymaybe make teh tabs more labs specific14:16
bovinity(cc)labs header logo14:16
bovinitybut the basic layout looks ok14:17
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nkinkadebovinity: I don't know what you've got going on up there in that logo, but I couldn't figure it out in a short time .. seems to be an image overlaying a background ... I was L-O-S-T lost.14:17
paulproteusmlinksva, two sample lines from your file:14:20
paulproteus2004-03-31 04:29:07     7       0       37      creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/deed-music14:20
paulproteus2004-04-01 04:29:04     7       0       <font   creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/deed-music14:21
paulproteusOne of these is not like the other.14:21
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mlinksva<font?15:05
mlinksvasomeone must've changed their website15:05
paulproteusThat's the AtW column iirc.15:08
paulproteusAlso, mlinksva - don't worry, if you want to encrypt everything, I'll just make sure that when I man-in-the-middle it, I use known-weak keys generated on a Debian VM I kept around from January 2008.15:08
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nathanymlinksva: do you have a second to chat in person?15:12
mlinksvanathany: yes15:13
paulproteusMore exciting lines:15:13
paulproteus2004-06-24 04:36:34     0       0       0       creativecommons.org/licenses2004-06-25 04:35:01 33389   5670    99000   creativecommons.org15:13
paulproteus(That's "one line")15:13
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paulproteusnathany, Wanna see a nice little text file?15:22
nathany sure15:22
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paulproteusThe jokes on http://tech.slashdot.org/tech/08/06/26/1814205.shtml write themselves.15:40
paulproteusIf you believe Slashdot is comprised entirely of robots creating pseudo-creative posts to avoid getting their first post entries modded down.15:41
paulproteusBut they're good either way.15:41
paulproteushttp://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-4-26jun08-en.htm15:42
paulproteusThose pesky Internet Expansionists.15:42
paulproteusnathan.yergler coming to a DNS near you.15:42
paulproteushttp://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=596435&cid=2395341915:44
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nkinkadenathany: paulproteus: Can throw the DNS switch for labs?  Have you both got your labs stuff in order?16:14
nathanynkinkade: let me double check16:14
nkinkadeI change the techblog theme to cc4, with some slight modifications.\16:14
paulproteusnkinkade, SUre16:16
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/16:17
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Sterennathany: have you notice that the add group form on teamspace has a display bug ? I can't figure out why.16:28
nkinkadeI think this is looking pretty good: http://techblog.creativecommons.org/16:28
nathanyno, hadn't noticed16:28
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bovinitynkinkade: looks like some minor missing css declarations.. i'll take a closer look in a sec16:30
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nkinkadebovinity: Where?16:30
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bovinitynkinkade: missing tab graphics, sidebar is missing some css for section grouping and font styles16:32
nkinkadeI was wondering where the little green edges went from the tabs.16:33
bovinityis it me, or has the network become really slow16:37
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bovinitynkinkade: ah, i see what's wrong16:40
nkinkadeWas it something I did?16:40
nkinkadeProbably. :-)16:40
bovinitynope, just a missing file and improper linking to the file16:40
nkinkadebovinity: Does that file need to be checked into subversion?  I just did an svn co of cc416:42
bovinitynkinkade: ah, yes, i see it's a production checkout now16:42
nkinkadeOh, maybe I should have done a trunk checkout?16:43
bovinitynkinkade: the tab images were in ccorg/images/ instead of themes/cc4/images. i forgot at the time how css references files.16:44
nkinkadebovinity: Do you think those tabs are reasonable?16:46
nkinkadeYou can add more if you think it is lacking.16:46
paulproteusIf it is licking.16:46
nkinkadeCode seemed like a good one.16:47
bovinityWiki also16:47
nkinkadewhich was nathany's idea.16:47
paulproteusCan we get the .labs TLD?16:47
bovinitywiki.cc/Developer16:47
nkinkade.ffx?16:47
bovinity.ffs16:47
paulproteus.techblog16:48
nathanyyes! .ffs!16:48
paulproteus.deprecated16:48
nathany.fail16:48
paulproteus.pastry16:49
mlinksvawe could just pay $1000 (or whatever) to an alternaroot scammer right now and have whatever we want, in imaginaryland!16:50
paulproteus.gondwanaland16:52
Steren.curry16:53
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mlinksvai love the value of concern in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnifiedRoot16:53
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nkinkadenathany: I'm adding country.sg to the master  cc_org.po, but I feel that there was one other thing you thought should be added?16:56
paulproteusmlinksva, Yes.16:56
nathanynkinkade: add the jurisdiction info (launched == False) in licenses.xml16:56
nathanywith default lang == en_UK16:56
nkinkadeAh, yes.  That was it.16:57
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mlinksvathe news scroller at http://www.unifiedroot.com/en/ is super .awesome16:58
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mlinksvawow, i had no idea firefox supported <marquee>16:59
bovinitythat's the most incredible thing i've seen16:59
Sterennathany: do you think we could open a git repository for the teamspace data structure ? In fact, it's xml and if developers always use the same page export list, it's fine for file diff17:00
paulproteusIf you change the DOM properties of the <marquee> in Firebug you can make it go the other direction.17:00
bovinityit appears they have some embedded wmv too17:00
nathanySteren: absolutely; should it be it's own repository or should it go into the SemanticTasks repository? (which maybe should be == Teamspace?)17:00
paulproteusI'd say a separate repo; it's not code, it's a separate project.17:01
Sterennathany: I would prefer its own repository, Semantic Task is specific for mail notifications, you can use it without the teamspace data structure, and you can use the teamspace data sytructure without semantic tasks17:02
nathanygood point17:02
nathanygive me a second and i'll create17:02
paulproteusSemanticTasks is more like SemanticEmail.17:02
Sterenyes17:02
Sterenpaulproteus: I can rename it17:02
paulproteusOr SemanticMediaWikiEmail.17:02
nkinkadeGo 64bit!  The Varnish log on a8 is now at 4.7G, before it was capped at 2G.17:03
paulproteusYa-hoo!17:03
paulproteus2^32 + 0.7GB17:03
paulproteusI'll see your bits and I'll raise them 700 megabytes.17:03
nkinkadeankit would appreciate this as it means a single Varnish file for given day instead of, say, 12.17:03
nathanySteren: Teamspace.git17:04
Sterengreat17:04
paulproteusnathany, voice17:05
nkinkadeThere were 6 failed ssh login attempts on a6 from smacknatter.com17:07
nkinkadeI take offense to that ... the domain, that is.17:07
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paulproteusmlinksva, Remind me, Will was 05?17:11
bovinitynkinkade: how about we branch the techblog theme, i'm not comfortable with these changes being uncommitable :/17:12
nkinkadebovinity: That makes sense.17:13
nkinkadeSomething like cc_labs?17:13
bovinitysure17:13
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jibotjgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay17:14
nkinkadebovinity: Shall I just copy cc4 to cclabs in the ccwordpress repository?17:19
nkinkadeThat's what we've done with cclearn, right?17:19
bovinityright17:19
nkinkadeI guess that's less than ideal because it doesn't allow for graceful merging of changes.17:20
nkinkadeNow when we make one change to cc4, we have to manually change cclearn, and shortly cclabs.  This would be a good candidate for git, it seems.17:20
bovinitynot that merges are very graceful in svn17:20
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nkinkadebovinity: I'm tempted to leave it as a checkout of cc4.17:21
bovinitycclearn layout has diverged a lot from cc4. but cc4labs is still pretty much following cc4.17:21
nkinkadeIt's not ideal, but it seems more ideal than trying to manually manage 3 instances of the cc4 theme manually.17:21
nkinkadeDo you have a strong feeling about this one way or the other?  It sure would be nice if when you make changes to cc4 a simple svn up will drag labs along.17:22
nkinkadenathany: ./bin/sync is supposed to propogate change to master/cc_org.po to the other PO files, right?17:23
nathanyyes17:23
nathanyto the PO-style po files, not cc-style po files17:23
bovinitynkinkade: no problem, leave until gittification comes into effect17:24
nkinkadeSo when I make a change to the master PO file then run sync, there should be changes to every other "normal" PO file, but I just did that and it didn't seem to propogate.17:24
nkinkadebovinity: Cool.  Leaving as it is will make it easier in the short term, I think.  And the short-term is waaaaay more important than the long-run.17:25
nkinkadenathany: ^^^-117:26
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paulproteusnkinkade, "If every checkout were a branch, you could merge."17:38
paulproteusmlinksva, Serious question about Will's data: I understand that his XML file includes parts of your data.17:38
paulproteusDid he write fresh crawling scripts?17:38
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Do you mean that in terms of git, or subversion?17:38
paulproteusnkinkade, Well, I'm saying git is nice this way and svn isn't.17:39
nkinkadeOr just generally.17:39
paulproteusJust generally.17:39
paulproteusbzr and hg and friends have this property too, after all.17:39
paulproteusmlinksva, His XML files are largely junk and I should re-do the import from your text files, but is there a cut-off in his files where I can be confident of the data?17:39
nkinkadepaulproteus: That makes good sense, and now I see a good advantage in doing things that way.17:39
ftobiapaulproteus: do you know anything about python's coverage package? it keeps dying and i think there's a bug in it.17:40
paulproteusftobia, I'm a frayed knto.17:40
paulproteusknot!17:40
ftobiathat's pretty funny.17:40
paulproteusDo you know the rest of the joke?17:41
paulproteusIf not, ask me sometime.17:42
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mlinksvapaulproteus: will was 05.  i think he forked my crawling scripts17:56
mlinksvai don't know about a cut off date17:57
mlinksvai mean i just have no idea what a good date would be17:57
paulproteusI could look for a boundary point.18:03
paulproteusActually, Giorgos and co probably found it.18:03
paulproteusSince what they already did was look for a boundary point.18:03
paulproteus2005-06-20 is when they think the weirdness ends.18:04
paulproteus(you've got mail)18:05
rejonwhoa, you guys are working on metrics?18:07
rejonwhoa18:07
rejonme, victor and greg-g working on cchost18:07
rejonin berzerkeley18:07
paulproteusOh, oops.18:09
paulproteusMaybe I was supposed to join you guys.18:09
paulproteusAt least geographically.18:09
rejonall is well18:15
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nkinkadenathany: Was the techblog just started back in April of 2007?18:16
nathanyprobably18:16
nkinkadebovinity: http://techblog.creativecommons.org/page/4/18:18
nkinkadeI think that image totally breaks the layout.  Do you happen to a know a fast fix?18:18
bovinity"Just add the following tag somewhere in the body:"18:18
bovinityi suspect the "followng tag" is being executed...18:19
bovinitythx paulproteus.18:19
* paulproteus blinks18:19
bovinityyep18:20
bovinity<blockquote><script src="http://api.creativecommons.org/jswidget/tags/0.1/complete.js" /></blockquote><br />18:20
bovinitythe script tag isn't getting escaped18:20
bovinity:P18:20
bovinityalso firefox barfing on />18:21
paulproteusYippee.18:21
nkinkade:-)  Good observation.18:21
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nkinkadeThanks, paulproteus ... always breaking something! ;-)18:22
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paulproteusSomeone should really change my title to "Destroyer of software".18:24
nkinkadeYou managed to even make a simple blog post break something.18:24
paulproteusI blame WordPress.18:24
paulproteusBut, well, okay.18:24
nkinkadeWhat's more innocuous than a blog post.18:24
paulproteusA cat!18:24
paulproteusJust sayin'.18:25
nkinkadeBut, true, I'm not sure why Wordpress wouldn't be escaping that script tag.18:25
nkinkadeBut cats have claws and can scrtach.18:25
paulproteusAnd I'm allergic to them.18:27
paulproteusGood point.18:27
nkinkadeDander!18:27
rejonyesterday was successful btw in promoting jswidget and liblicense...more tomorrow18:27
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nkinkadehttp://icanhascheezburger.com/?s=claws18:29
rejonthis is officially the no work channel18:30
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jibotdavidstrauss is "P" and not "P"18:34
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* greg-g is seeing this movie tonight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbx5PM8jH3w18:46
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nkinkadeThis is outrageous, the brackets around the script in that post are actually &lt; and &gt;, yet somehow they are apparently getting converted by Wordpress back to actual angle brackets!18:48
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nkinkadeWheew ... turns out it was some plugin called TextileWrapper.  Maybe it wasn't enabled before and when I upgraded Wordpress I accidentally re-enabled it.  Good to know that Wordpress wasn't *that* broken.18:56
paulproteusYay.18:56
bovinityand that's why i prefer Markdown over Textile18:56
paulproteusI *totally* agree.18:57
Sterennkinkade: I can't log in to the CC blog (I've never done it before), I've tried everything.19:00
bovinitySteren: what's the error?19:00
Sterennothing, just my password that doesn't seams to be right19:01
bovinitytry the Request New Password link, get a new one19:01
Sterenwhen I use this link, I've got an error : Sorry, that key does not appear to be valid.19:02
bovinity/wp-login.php?action=lostpassword does that?19:03
Sterenyes19:03
bovinitywith username steren?19:04
Sterenoh sorry19:04
Sterenit was case sensitive19:04
bovinity;)19:04
Sterenbovinity: strange tat I received the change password mail19:05
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jibotnaufragio is Gavin Baker and www.gavinbaker.com and an alumnus of uf.freeculture.org19:11
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nkinkadenaufragio: Are you around?  Now that jibot identified you it occurs to me that I was going to add your blog to planet.(cc).org, but never heard back from you about the licensing issue.19:17
naufragionkinkade: i haven't gotten around to sticking a license on it19:18
naufragiobad role model, i know.19:18
paulproteusnaufragio, (-:19:18
paulproteusWpLicense is pretty easy to install. (-:19:18
nkinkadenaufragio: No problem.  I've got your blog configured in the planet, but commented out so whenever you get around to it just let me know and I'll get your blog posts rolling on our planet.19:19
naufragioif i were going to start poking around my blog, i'd start with upgrading wordpress from its outdated, vuln-ridden version19:19
naufragiothen i'd probably find a bunch of other things to fix. _then_ i'd slap on a license19:19
naufragiopaulproteus, i'm applying for a job in SF19:20
nkinkadenaufragio: You might want to get to that upgrade before worrying about licensing: http://a6.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/hacked_dl/hacked_dl_4.png19:21
nkinkadeAnd there more fun where that came from: http://a6.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/hacked_dl/19:21
nkinkadeThat was a site I had setup about a year ago ... they emailed me saying that something wasn't right.  Those images were some screenshots I took of a really useful tool that found it's way onto that machine.19:22
naufragioyeah, and the site's been *really* slow lately (slower than other sites i run from the same host, which aren't using an outdated WP..)19:23
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nkinkadeI've got the code for that tool and have thought about installing somewhere just as a quick drop-in replacement for something like Webmin.19:25
bovinityhmm, was mike running the currybot?19:25
paulproteusnaufragio, What job?!19:26
nkinkadeNo installation required!  Just drop one PHP file in there and you're off to the races.19:26
paulproteusIt can be that easy / when you hack the intermediaries.19:26
naufragiopaulproteus: http://cdt.org/staff/programassociate.php19:26
paulproteusOH YES.19:26
paulproteusThat job.19:26
paulproteusExcellent.19:26
naufragiobut i say that only on the condition that you don't steal it from me19:26
paulproteusI had a lame friend in high school who used to say things like that.19:26
naufragiobecause i'm tired of "working" from "home". it's lonely (no scare quotes on that one)19:26
paulproteusFor now I'm staying here at CC, so no fear of that.19:27
naufragioalso, less lucrative than i'd hoped19:27
naufragioyou guys should make a job for me at CC.19:27
paulproteusI already tried that.19:27
paulproteusI mean for myself.19:27
paulproteusBut I guess it worked.19:27
naufragiomaybe you can try again, then19:27
paulproteusBut I don't know if I have that kind of power.19:28
bovinityyour new title is Asheesh Wrangler. oh.19:28
paulproteusI think it only works if the person who wants it asks.19:28
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naufragiowell, i'm asking. where's joi? he's the new boss, right?19:28
paulproteusHe's... I have no idea where.19:28
naufragioprobably in WoW19:28
nkinkadebovinity: Any idea why permalinks are not working at the techblog-soon-to-be-labs?19:30
bovinityorly19:30
naufragioi can fetch coffee, guys. and burritos19:30
nkinkadeI keep asking these things in the hope that you'll say: Oh, yeah, just check this little box in the settings.19:30
bovinitythat could be easily misread19:30
paulproteusI did misread!19:31
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bovinitynkinkade: not only that, frank's latest post is getting improperly escaped19:31
paulproteusYour mom is improperly escaped!19:32
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bovinitynkinkade: only thing i can think of is the hteme isn't expecting that kind of permalink. it shouldn't matter though....19:33
nkinkadebovinity: Well, it looks like that TextileWrapper plugin was taking valid < > and outputting &lt; &gt; and then the other way around when it went to publish the post.19:33
bovinitywhat's with the redirect to http://creativecommons.org/wp-signup.php?new=2008#respond19:34
nkinkadeSo, I'll have to manually change a number of those posts.19:34
nkinkadebovinity: I'm confused about that, too, but I have a feeling that is has to do with the fact that blog #1 is creativecommons.org.19:34
paulproteusBlog #1!19:34
bovinityoh19:35
nkinkadeSo one big bonus is that instead of ugly 404 errors at the techblog, you get a real 404 error at creativecommons.org.19:35
paulproteusBTW, afk for 30m or so.19:36
nkinkadeIt's not the theme ... just tried that.19:37
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jibotftobia is the other tech intern at Creative Commons and head of RPI Free Culture21:40
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jibotrejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/21:58
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jibotmlinksva is Mike Linksvayer and from Creative Commons22:45
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jibotSteren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy23:13
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