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| hdworak | http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/#id85078 - there is something wrong with the mark-up here | 03:04 |
| hdworak | there is no default namespace of XHTML, besides the attribute "instanceof" does not validate in the W3C Validator (yes, with XHTML+RDFa chosen) | 03:05 |
| hdworak | the following does pass the validation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDFa#XHTML.2BRDFa_1.0_example | 03:05 |
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| hdworak | so what's the deal with the instanceof attribute? | 03:16 |
| hdworak | it ain't here: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-metaAttributes-1.mod | 03:17 |
| hdworak | but it's here: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ | 03:17 |
| hdworak | is it all mixed up with the "typeof" attribute? | 03:18 |
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| hdworak | http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-syntax/ rel="cc:license" - isn't rel="license" preferred? | 03:42 |
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| hdworak | does it matter where the RDF in XHTML comment occur? or can the contents of such comment be translated to a non-commented child of the "head" element? | 04:29 |
| hdworak | does it matter where the rdf:RDF element in XHTML occur? | 04:30 |
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| hdworak | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/index.rdf - does this cover all cc's licences? | 10:41 |
| hdworak | (both former and current) | 10:41 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Looks like it. | 11:05 |
| paulproteus | Yup, includes the retired licenses too. | 11:06 |
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| hdworak | so basically, this would be the only file needed when it comes to retrieving permissions etc. about licenses? | 11:09 |
| hdworak | I realise that if it would be split into several .rdf then it would be faster for the validator to produce the output | 11:10 |
| hdworak | was http://web.resource.org/cc/ the only default namespace that was ever related to the deprecated RDF license information (e.g. in a comment) | 11:14 |
| hdworak | ? | 11:14 |
| hdworak | http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml-names/#NSNameComparison a misspelling - "IRI" instead of "URI" | 11:16 |
| hdworak | so that I could use this regex <[^:>]+:RDF\s[^>]+xmlns="http://web\.resource\.org/cc/" | 11:19 |
| hdworak | actually the first brackets should be [^:>'"] | 11:20 |
| hdworak | and no, actually someone does not have to use this as the default namespace | 11:21 |
| hdworak | :( | 11:21 |
| hdworak | so just "xmlns=" doesn't work | 11:21 |
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| hdworak | <([^:>'"]+:RDF)\s[^>]xmlns(:[^=]+)?\s*=\s*(("http://web\.resource\.org/cc/")|('http://web\.resource\.org/cc/')).*</\1\s*> | 11:29 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: what do you think about the above? | 11:30 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, I agree re: "only file needed" | 11:30 |
| hdworak | do you think it would be sufficient to capture the old RDF license code regardless of its location | 11:30 |
| paulproteus | re: "faster for the validator to produce the output" if it were split: Not necessarily. | 11:30 |
| hdworak | (except for data: URI and external files) | 11:30 |
| paulproteus | If you load it once when your app starts, and keep querying the same pre-loaded triples after that, it would make no big difference. | 11:30 |
| paulproteus | re: deprecated RDF + resource.org namespace: I think so. | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | You should check what the 1.5 API says. | 11:31 |
| hdworak | all I mean its quicker too process 30kB file than a 2MB file | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | If the 1.5 API emits the new namespace + RDF, then you should check for that RDF in a comment as well. | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | Why use regexes? | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | Use an XML parser. | 11:31 |
| hdworak | RDF inside comments | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Yes, but you don't have to do it once per request. | 11:31 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Oh, just look for <!-- .*? -->, and then | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | try: | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | parse_as_rdfxml() | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | except: | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | pass | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | That is, just look for comments with the regex. | 11:32 |
| paulproteus | And in fact, your XML/SGML parser can probably give you comment blocks as events anyway. | 11:33 |
| hdworak | I know that beautifulsoup can | 11:33 |
| paulproteus | (And tidy/beautifulsoup can probably help you get that for invalid documents) | 11:33 |
| paulproteus | Awesome, so why bother with regexes then? | 11:33 |
| hdworak | :) | 11:33 |
| hdworak | I'm sceptical to parsing comments with a parser that is not meant to do it | 11:34 |
| paulproteus | Well, try it, and if it fails then we'll see. | 11:34 |
| hdworak | but okay, I'll probably remove the first <!-- and the last --> | 11:34 |
| hdworak | and give it a go | 11:34 |
| hdworak | <!--(([^\-]|\-[^\-])*)--> | 11:35 |
| hdworak | would probably do to do it w/o a parser and then feed it | 11:35 |
| paulproteus | You know, <!--(.*?)--> is fine, too. | 11:36 |
| hdworak | what's the meaning of "*?" | 11:37 |
| paulproteus | Non-greedy regexp. | 11:37 |
| paulproteus | Non-greedy Kleene star, I suppose. | 11:37 |
| hdworak | :) | 11:37 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to go offline for 30-45m. | 11:37 |
| hdworak | you're right | 11:37 |
| hdworak | c'ya | 11:38 |
| hdworak | and thnx | 11:38 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing. | 11:38 |
| hdworak | ok, both API 1.0 and 1.5 use web.resource.org | 11:39 |
| paulproteus | Really? Gosh. | 11:40 |
| paulproteus | Okay then. | 11:40 |
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| bovinity | finally! some recognition from an ai | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | BTW, see you all around 11:30, I'll WFH and pick up a burrito en route. | 12:22 |
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| jibot | ftobia is head of RPI Free Culture and thinks censorship is generally to be frowned upon | 13:20 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, Boo, wanna have that 1h sit-down? | 13:29 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, If you don't say yes soon I'm going to have to actually do some work! | 13:30 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: alright, i will save you from being productive. | 13:31 |
| paulproteus | Thank goodness. | 13:31 |
| hdworak | nathany: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#LINKing_to_a_data:_URL | 13:38 |
| hdworak | you give an example of license info that is embedded via <link> data: URL | 13:38 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: GSoC questions ... when would be a good time? | 13:39 |
| hdworak | but if I decode this actual data: URL from the example, I get http://pastebin.com/f143f5fdf | 13:39 |
| hdworak | where one can find: <Work rdf:about="http://example.org/gnomophone.mp3"> | 13:39 |
| nathany | right | 13:39 |
| hdworak | so the license info applies to a .mp3 only, but shouldn't it be rather a license of the HTML file that the <link> appears on? | 13:39 |
| nathany | not necessarily | 13:40 |
| hdworak | so how to interpret if someone does several <link rel="meta" in one HTML document? | 13:40 |
| hdworak | we collect all the RDF triples and sum up the results? | 13:41 |
| nathany | yeah, i think so | 13:41 |
| nathany | i think it's super unlikely you'll find much of that, but yeah, that's what they're saying | 13:41 |
| hdworak | like one <link rel="meta" could be a description of one image that we have linked to on a Web site | 13:41 |
| hdworak | and another one to a movie clip that is on a Web site | 13:41 |
| nathany | right | 13:42 |
| hdworak | and a third to the Web site itself? | 13:42 |
| nathany | right | 13:42 |
| hdworak | ok, and is it possible for such an RDF to contain multiple description (in one file) | 13:42 |
| nathany | yes | 13:42 |
| hdworak | like a desc. for image and a desc. for a Web page | 13:42 |
| hdworak | ok, thanks :) | 13:42 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: should we alert if someone mixes proper RDFa with valid-but-deprecated RDF? | 13:43 |
| hdworak | what if such RDF is not actually used for license stuff? | 13:43 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, RDF in a comment pretty much universally sucks. | 13:46 |
| hdworak | no, not in a comment | 13:46 |
| hdworak | <link rel="meta" | 13:46 |
| hdworak | nevertheless, some ppl still recommend it cf. http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/docs/trackback_spec | 13:47 |
| bovinity | last updated 2004 | 13:48 |
| hdworak | good point there, bovinity | 13:49 |
| hdworak | :) | 13:50 |
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| hdworak | are there any non-pd non-total-copyright alternatives to cc with regard to audio recordings? | 13:57 |
| hdworak | open audio license seems to be discontinued by eff.org | 13:57 |
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| hdworak | they recommended cc instead | 13:59 |
| hdworak | the same with open publication license | 13:59 |
| hdworak | hm... maybe Free Art License | 14:00 |
| hdworak | yeah, that could work | 14:01 |
| hdworak | http://artlibre.org/licence/lal/en/ | 14:01 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout is what I'm reading. | 14:02 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Well, if they use deprecated RDF, then of course we should warn him. | 14:03 |
| hdworak | I mean, if they do not use RDF for license stuff | 14:03 |
| hdworak | but some other things | 14:04 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 14:04 |
| hdworak | I don't know if then it can even be considered deprecated | 14:04 |
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| hdworak | <Work rdf:about=""> - is this a blank node? | 14:07 |
| hdworak | if so, can it appear in an external RDF file? | 14:07 |
| ^Sobieski^^ | I need cc ! | 14:09 |
| hdworak | Sobieski: e-mail 31337@fbi.gov | 14:10 |
| ^Sobieski^^ | lol | 14:10 |
| hdworak | but don't tell anyone that I gave you this e-mail | 14:10 |
| hdworak | as it's worth a lot of $$$ | 14:10 |
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| ankitg | hdworak: I prefer 1<31337@fbi.gov =) | 14:10 |
| hdworak | ankitg: :) | 14:11 |
| hdworak | ankitg: what's up? | 14:11 |
| hdworak | ankitg: are you back from India? | 14:11 |
| hdworak | ankitg: how's it going? | 14:11 |
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| ankitg | hdworak: still in India ... moving to a diff state tomorrow ... wonder if I'll have internet there ... O_o | 14:12 |
| hdworak | ankitg: do you like India? | 14:13 |
| hdworak | (as a place to stay) | 14:13 |
| ankitg | hdworak: it has it's plusses ... but lets say I believe there are better places out there =) | 14:13 |
| hdworak | B) | 14:14 |
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| ankitg | hdworak: how goes with the project? | 14:14 |
| hdworak | ankitg: I had to pause a bit, 'cause I had exams roughly every second day :) | 14:14 |
| ankitg | hdworak: oh ... all done now? | 14:15 |
| hdworak | ankitg: but now I'm back on track and I'm writing unit tests for the library that will be used in the project | 14:15 |
| ankitg | nice | 14:15 |
| hdworak | ankitg: not actually, I have one more left this Sunday | 14:15 |
| ankitg | Sunday! O_o | 14:15 |
| ankitg | I guess, nothing is sacred ... | 14:15 |
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| hdworak | ankitg: well, it's not normal :) | 14:15 |
| hdworak | normally, students study from Monday until Friday | 14:16 |
| hdworak | I studied like that for 5 years | 14:16 |
| ankitg | hdworak: normally I don't study ... but then they have these exams :P | 14:16 |
| hdworak | those students who work, do not study like that, but have classes on Saturdays and Sundays | 14:16 |
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| hdworak | and on my university it has been decided that PhD students will have classes during weekends only | 14:17 |
| hdworak | just like we were working (more than a half of us does in fact) | 14:17 |
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| hdworak | besides, we do not have classes every week, but like every three weeks or so | 14:18 |
| hdworak | so it's nowhere near regular studying regime | 14:18 |
| hdworak | :) | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | eg: http://www.gnome.org/~newren/eg/git-for-svn-users.html | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, ^^ | 14:18 |
| hdworak | ankitg: what about your project and going through 1TB of logs? | 14:18 |
| hdworak | I've read you've run out of space :) | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | It's just a shell script wrapper for git. | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | But it's super nice. | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Hi, btw. | 14:19 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Are you pushing your code up? | 14:19 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: Hi ... (-: | 14:19 |
| paulproteus | Fire away re: questions. | 14:19 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: if you could answer, I'd be grateful | 14:19 |
| ankitg | hdworak: 2 TB + | 14:19 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Oh, let me scroll. | 14:19 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: not yet, I'm just writing the test now | 14:19 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: another thing is that I do not think it belongs to the validator, but to a side-project (a library) | 14:19 |
| hdworak | so should that stuff be pushed into a different branch | 14:20 |
| * ankitg goes to connect his external HDD where the data is ... | 14:20 | |
| hdworak | in the validator? or should we just go with a different repository? | 14:20 |
| hdworak | ankitg: 2 TB :) now that IS *Google* Summer of Code | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, A separate repository makes sense, and we can pull it into the validator project as we make it. | 14:20 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, So tell me the git repo name you want and it shall be created lickety-split. | 14:21 |
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| hdworak | lickety-split? | 14:21 |
| paulproteus | It means "fast". (-: | 14:21 |
| hdworak | warning! native speaker detected | 14:21 |
| bovinity | done in a jiffy | 14:22 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, re: "<Work rdf:about=""> - is this a blank node?" | 14:22 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: how detailed you would the unit tests like to be? aside from "as detailed as possible" - let me explain: | 14:22 |
| paulproteus | Is that your question? | 14:22 |
| hdworak | you've got like a dozen of cc licenses | 14:22 |
| hdworak | should the test cover extraction of each and every | 14:22 |
| hdworak | or we test like 2 different licenses if they work | 14:23 |
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| paulproteus | Test like two different licenses, I'd say. | 14:23 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: which one? the blank node? yes | 14:23 |
| hdworak | I'm pretty confused about this blank node, stuff | 14:23 |
| hdworak | <Work rdf:about=""> <- this relates to the parent (=document likely) | 14:23 |
| hdworak | but can such stuff appear in an external RDF file? (<link rel="meta" | 14:24 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: okie, the A2 access logs are all from localhost, it appears ... ? | 14:24 |
| hdworak | 'cause as I understand it, it wouldn't make sense at least on the top level | 14:24 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Right - you need the Varnish logs to find the IP addresses of people. | 14:24 |
| paulproteus | No, on a2 I think you need Squid logs. | 14:24 |
| bovinity | yeah | 14:24 |
| ankitg | okie, ... Squid for A2 ... | 14:24 |
| * ankitg takes notes | 14:24 | |
| hdworak | :) | 14:24 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, BTW, you could in fact write a *function* that generated e.g. HTML with RDFa, and then loop: | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | for each license, assert test(generate_html()) == license | 14:25 |
| hdworak | yes, and I would do that, paulproteus | 14:25 |
| hdworak | but the problem is this is just one vector | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | But you could also write these files by hand instead, which could be fine, especially for the super weird cases. | 14:25 |
| hdworak | the other is the means of expressing this license | 14:25 |
| hdworak | and the other is ill-formed markup | 14:26 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: each / most folder seems to have daily logs and 4 logs named something like "a2-access_log.#" ... | 14:26 |
| hdworak | if I write tests for 12 licenses embedded in 7 different ways in a well-formed manner and an unspecified number of ill-formed ways | 14:26 |
| hdworak | ... | 14:27 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Yes, what's the question precisely? | 14:27 |
| hdworak | I know I have to write tests for each of embedding license | 14:27 |
| * paulproteus nods | 14:27 | |
| hdworak | but should I stick to testing each and every license | 14:27 |
| hdworak | on top of that? | 14:27 |
| paulproteus | Not really necessary, just test like two licenses. | 14:28 |
| hdworak | so I get, say, 12x7 tests for just well-formed? | 14:28 |
| hdworak | ok, very cool :) | 14:28 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Right - some of those should be Squid logs, not Apache logs. | 14:28 |
| paulproteus | (Although a2 isn't really very relevant for you - you'll find i.creativecommons.org's log most useful, for example) | 14:28 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, If you're having trouble understanding general RDF stuff, maybe you can ask in #swig and then ask me if they don't answer? | 14:29 |
| paulproteus | I don't want to *not* talk to you, I just want to do other things too. (-: | 14:29 |
| ankitg | yea, I am just using A2 as base for naming convention ... as it's on the tip and easy to get to (-: | 14:29 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Sure - but as it happens, the different servers have different caching reverse proxies in front of them. | 14:30 |
| paulproteus | BTW, if this reverse proxy idea isn't clear, we should address that right now. | 14:30 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: okie, let me go the i.creativecommons.org logs then ... | 14:30 |
| ankitg | A5 it is then ... | 14:32 |
| * paulproteus nods | 14:32 | |
| hdworak | paulproteus: you are right, sorry about that :) though I did exactly like you say with the morning questions ;) | 14:32 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Okay | 14:32 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: I was also wondering ... everyday about a GB or so gets added to the logs ... O_o | 14:36 |
| paulproteus | Yes, hence why we would like tools to analyze them rather than reading them by hand. (-; | 14:36 |
| paulproteus | i.creativecommons.org gets like 200 hits a second. | 14:36 |
| paulproteus | It's pretty nuts. | 14:36 |
| paulproteus | It might also be more than that; I'm being conservative. | 14:36 |
| ankitg | heh ... that's 1 GB of archived data ... which is erm ... a whole lot of text! | 14:37 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Out of curiosity, where in the world are you? | 14:37 |
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| ankitg | paulproteus: the files for A5 also seem to have just 127.0.0.1 in the access logs ... or did I just pick the wrong ones? | 14:38 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, No, you'll find that access_log files almost always report localhost. | 14:39 |
| hdworak | what is the difference between rel="meta" and rel="license" - that from a rel="license" we will expect a document describing the license and NOT what is being licensed (as in rel="meta" with Works)? | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | You'll have to cross-match with the Varnish logs, I'm afraid. | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | To find out the real IPs. | 14:39 |
| hdworak | do I get this right? | 14:39 |
| ankitg | hmmm ... Varnish logs ... | 14:39 |
| * ankitg goes hunting ... | 14:39 | |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I don't quite understand your question. rel="license" means "the current document has license (whatever gets pointed to in the href part)". | 14:39 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I don't recall our use of rel="meta" - can you find the docs for it somewhere? | 14:39 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Extend_Metadata#LINKing_to_a_data:_URL | 14:40 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, I think they're somewhere in the Amazon S3 tree; nkinkade can find the real path to them if you ask him. | 14:40 |
| paulproteus | ftobia, I'm assuming you're okay for now. | 14:40 |
| nathany | paulproteus: @ stanford, board meeting | 14:40 |
| hdworak | my question is - what if I substitue rel="meta" with rel="license" in that particular example? 1) doesn't matter 2) does matter - semantically incorrect | 14:40 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Oh, yeah, thanks, I forgot. | 14:40 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Semantically wrong | 14:41 |
| paulproteus | for rel="license", href should be the URI of the license. | 14:41 |
| paulproteus | Not the RDF the license contains. | 14:41 |
| ankitg | paulproteus: the varnish logs [A5 and A7] don't seem to differentiate between labs, validator, error logs etc ... | 14:41 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, There's probably some way to distinguish. | 14:42 |
| paulproteus | At least by URL part. | 14:42 |
| paulproteus | Is the hostname really not part of them? | 14:42 |
| paulproteus | I mean, in the contents of the log files themselves. | 14:42 |
| paulproteus | BTW, this will be somewhat of a pain, I know. | 14:42 |
| paulproteus | I did it two years ago for the question of what people searched for on search.creativecommons.org. | 14:43 |
| ankitg | they don't seem to follow the smae / similar structure ... let me have a look see inside ... | 14:43 |
| ankitg | oh, great! Then you are the right person for these queries (-: | 14:43 |
| hdworak | http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/ reads "license refers to a resource that defines the associated license." so why is <link href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/rdf" rel="license" type="application/rdf+xml" /> incorrect? if http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ marks that RDF as alternate | 14:44 |
| paulproteus | ccsearch/ 9806 5 weeks paulproteus Removing tragically useless files | 14:44 |
| paulproteus | Man, I'm hilarious. | 14:44 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Hmm, that sounds okay to me, I guess. | 14:45 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/log_analysis/ | 14:45 |
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| hdworak | but if someone does <link href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/rdf" rel="meta" type="application/rdf+xml" /> it is plain wrong? | 14:46 |
| ankitg | I prefer .sh over .py as of now ... I am getting the feeling this will change ... | 14:46 |
| hdworak | vocab. reads "meta refers to a resource that provides metadata." | 14:47 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, Doing real math is hard in .sh, and there are no dictionaries/"hash maps"/"associative arrays". | 14:47 |
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| * ankitg is avoiding math! (-: | 14:47 | |
| ankitg | agreed though ... math is hard in sh | 14:48 |
| hdworak | btw is it possible to upload a PNG to the cc wiki? | 14:48 |
| bovinity | yes | 14:48 |
| hdworak | good :) | 14:48 |
| paulproteus | bovinity, BTW, if I didn't mention it, I'm going to try to transition to http://www.gnome.org/~newren/eg/git-for-svn-users.html since it is just so much less painful for normal things. | 14:49 |
| bovinity | "easy git"? | 14:50 |
| paulproteus | Ya | 14:51 |
| hdworak | well, that comparison makes SVN looks a bit verbose | 14:52 |
| hdworak | looks=look | 14:52 |
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| Mihai` | hello | 14:53 |
| Mihai` | nathany availlable? | 14:53 |
| * ankitg needs a faster connection ... S3 connection reset by peer )-: | 14:53 | |
| bovinity | i don't quite see the benefit of eg over git | 14:53 |
| hdworak | Mihai`: he's at the board meeting | 14:54 |
| hdworak | Mihai`: hi :) | 14:54 |
| Mihai` | hello hdworak | 14:54 |
| Mihai` | okay | 14:54 |
| Mihai` | i`m not sure what a board meeting is, but i guess its something important ^^ | 14:54 |
| hdworak | "Publishing a copy of your local repository" - this one is especially painful | 14:54 |
| Mihai` | any ideea if he will be availlable today ? ... | 14:54 |
| bovinity | he's in channel... direct a message to him and he'll probably respond at some point in the near future | 14:55 |
| Mihai` | i`m not registered here... | 14:55 |
| Mihai` | eh, i`ll wait :) | 14:55 |
| bovinity | wow, this left over pasta from last night is super oily | 14:56 |
| paulproteus | bovinity, The real benefit is being able to not have nathany yell at me for git's verbs being different from svn's. | 15:00 |
| paulproteus | "git checkout" vs "svn switch": eg's answer: "eg switch" | 15:01 |
| paulproteus | Obviously no matter what I do with eg, I'll keep using git-filter-branch and other lower-level commands. | 15:01 |
| bovinity | ah | 15:01 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: is it technically valid to take http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/rdf, encode it as a data: URI and use in a rel="license" link? | 15:02 |
| Mihai` | i think i`m the only one using svn :) | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, That's pretty twisted. | 15:03 |
| hdworak | I understand that this might not be quallified as official cc license, because it does not come from the cc.org server, but nevertheless | 15:03 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, The thing, is the legal code text is what *really* defines the license; the RDF just indicates some properties of that legal code. | 15:03 |
| hdworak | I see | 15:04 |
| paulproteus | As for whether or not it's "correct" for the metadata validation, it's so weird that even if it is, we should say, "BTW, this is weird". | 15:05 |
| paulproteus | For the real answer to your question, I guess ask Ben Adida or NY. | 15:05 |
| paulproteus | But for now, feel free to assume it *is* correct, and after your tests are written (a few days to weeks), send a link to your code to cc-devel and say, "Ben and Nathan and Asheesh: Give me feedback on this big pile of tests". | 15:06 |
| hdworak | so even if someone takes the cc legal code text, encodes it into a data: URI and does <a href="data:text/html;..." rel="license" type="text/html">under this license</a>, it is a valid license statement but I can safely say, its an OTHER license, just as it would be GFDL? | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | It's much easier to be able to answer such questions en masse, and Ben (and then NY) are the most qualified to answer. | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | I'd have to learn the answer to answer you. (-: | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Wow, that's also twisted. That's not a "recommended" way by any means. | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | BTW, you might want to read the ccREL paper if you haven't. | 15:07 |
| hdworak | I am fully aware of that | 15:07 |
| hdworak | I've already done that | 15:07 |
| paulproteus | Cool (-: | 15:07 |
| paulproteus | I haven't! (-: | 15:07 |
| hdworak | great paper, but I've found a misspell | 15:07 |
| hdworak | I pasted it yesterday | 15:07 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, It's in git - submit a patch to cc-devel (-; | 15:07 |
| hdworak | the latex code? | 15:07 |
| paulproteus | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=ccrel.git;a=summary | 15:07 |
| paulproteus | Seems to only have the XHTML version | 15:08 |
| hdworak | the PDF comes for a LaTeX version | 15:08 |
| * paulproteus nods | 15:08 | |
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| hdworak | regardless, I do not have necessary permissions | 15:08 |
| hdworak | and it's just one misspell | 15:08 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What's the Python way of checking for the existence of something before trying to access it? For example: How do I try to check that thing[0] exists in variable: variable.thing[0]? I seem to have forgot all the python I knew. | 15:08 |
| paulproteus | if 0 in thing: | 15:08 |
| nkinkade | (which wasn't much to begin with) | 15:09 |
| hdworak | seek "an so on" in http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=ccrel.git;a=blob;f=xhtml/index.html;h=6e972d5fac315bd8389e2e42cb8b4581240e18f1;hb=9788bc5ec79b94149d8170592d2a5d29fbccf17b | 15:09 |
| nkinkade | That was easy. Thanks. | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | (...but shouldn't you be checking len(thing) instead?) | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, ^^ | 15:10 |
| nathany | hdworak: the XHTML comes from the LaTeX as well | 15:10 |
| hdworak | nathany: latex2html ? | 15:10 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Where's the LaTeX source? | 15:10 |
| hdworak | ;) | 15:10 |
| nathany | Ben has it; he's going to put it in the repository, i probably need to re-ping | 15:11 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Ah, coolio. | 15:11 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I could and should, and probably will. | 15:11 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Great. | 15:11 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Keep in mind PHP's idea of "arrays" is unlike every other language in the world and makes me want to scream. | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | It's best to not assume that knowledge of PHP arrays will map to something in Python (or any other language in the world), since the real world has different things that mean "array", "list", and "map" (or dictionary in Python's case). | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | Well, I guess like Perl has lists and associative arrays too. | 15:12 |
| nkinkade | My plugin for Venus broke because I wasn't verifying len(thing) ...seems that the index page broke too. | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Aww, sad. | 15:12 |
| paulproteus | Write a test! | 15:12 |
| nkinkade | I should. I may put something in Nagios today. | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | Er, I mean a Venus test. | 15:13 |
| hdworak | ok, what's the major difference between JavaScript and PHP arrays then? | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | For your code. | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Good point, I think JS and PHP are similar actually as far as arras. | 15:13 |
| hdworak | both languages do not distinguish between various collections | 15:13 |
| nkinkade | I've already got some unit tests for my plugin, so I guess I could add another. | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade++ | 15:13 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I was just trying to explain memory maps in the kernel to nkinkade a few days back and wanted to avoid the word "array" when discussing areas of memory for fear of the PHP (and JS, I guess) meaning. | 15:14 |
| hdworak | you're being to harsh on PHP, paulproteus, imho | 15:14 |
| hdworak | ;) | 15:14 |
| hdworak | Wikipedia is powered by it | 15:14 |
| * paulproteus shrugs and tries to fix a bug in nathany's CSV module | 15:15 | |
| hdworak | so it ain't THAT bad | 15:15 |
| paulproteus | (for SMW, written in PHP) | 15:15 |
| hdworak | and, as far as I recall, yahoo is, too | 15:15 |
| nathany | paulproteus: bug? | 15:15 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, "No comment" re: Yahoo! | 15:15 |
| hdworak | B) | 15:15 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yeah, if a column has more than one (e.g., comma-joined) value in SMW, then I get extra columns created. | 15:15 |
| nathany | ah | 15:16 |
| paulproteus | I'll fix it, I'm not yelling at you. | 15:16 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:16 |
| hdworak | developersdevelopersdevelopers | 15:16 |
| Mihai` | :) | 15:17 |
| hdworak | Mihai`: I love this youtube clip :) | 15:18 |
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| * ankitg gets more samples to check if there are any differences between the Varnish logs on A5 and on A7 ... | 15:22 | |
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| * ankitg finds varnish logs in A8 too ... and is curious if there is some logic behind the placement ... | 15:24 | |
| ankitg | paulproteus: is / are there some / any differentiating factors between the varnish logs in A5, A7 and A8 ... or all the same? | 15:25 |
| paulproteus | ankitg, It's just based on the DNS name that serves up that virtual host. | 15:26 |
| ankitg | okie | 15:26 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, SYN | 15:59 |
| nathany | ACK | 15:59 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Know how to get the name of the property whose value can be gotten by getWikiValue() ? | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | m_property is protected in SMW. | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | I could add a get_property() to the base class or something. | 16:00 |
| paulproteus | If you don't know, I can email smw-devel. | 16:01 |
| * paulproteus hears a pin drop | 16:02 | |
| * paulproteus is not watching an old Sprint commercial | 16:02 | |
| paulproteus | nathany, ...? | 16:04 |
| nathany | paulproteus: sorry | 16:04 |
| nathany | distracted by the board | 16:04 |
| paulproteus | lol! | 16:04 |
| nathany | uh... | 16:04 |
| nathany | is this an existing use of getWikiValue() in the code? | 16:04 |
| nathany | you might look @ the iCal query printer | 16:05 |
| paulproteus | There is an existing getWikiValue(). | 16:05 |
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| nathany | iirc it looks @ the property titles to determine which items are which | 16:06 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Not as far as I can see. | 16:10 |
| nathany | oh | 16:10 |
| nathany | then i have no idea | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | lol re: copied "is this useful?" comment. | 16:10 |
| paulproteus | I'll mail smw-devel then. (-: | 16:10 |
| nathany | :) | 16:10 |
| nathany | my brain is about to dribble out my ear in liquid form | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | I want a poster that says that. | 16:11 |
| paulproteus | Maybe a Demotivator. | 16:11 |
| bovinity | that needs to be a LOLNATHAN | 16:11 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:13 |
| nathany | bovinity: "i can has synapses?" | 16:14 |
| nathany | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/06/18/funny-pictures-offurs-subwai-survis/ | 16:16 |
| bovinity | hehe | 16:16 |
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| paulproteus | lolnathan.com is available. | 16:23 |
| hdworak | so is validator.cc | 16:24 |
| nkinkade | So is roflnatester.biz | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | lol.nkinka.de | 16:25 |
| paulproteus | yatchtsm@nkinka.de | 16:26 |
| hdworak | bye :) | 16:37 |
| CharelB | Good Night & Good Fight | 16:37 |
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| jibot | ftobia is head of RPI Free Culture and thinks censorship is generally to be frowned upon | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | ?def rejon | 16:41 |
| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 16:41 |
| davidstrauss | jibot, davidstrauss is a legendary hacker. | 16:42 |
| paulproteus | ?learn davidstrauss is your mother | 16:42 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother | 16:42 |
| davidstrauss | ?def jibot | 16:43 |
| jibot | jibot is slightly confused about the meaning of & blogging at http://hashjoiito.bloxus.com & on sf at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jibot/ & has a wiki page at http://joiwiki.ito.com/joiwiki/?jibot & has stats at http://imajes.info/hashjoiito/ & a lover of all Mikey definitions & nucking futz & always right & secretly Stephen Colbert & Jon Stewart & broken & very fond of the third person present form of the verb 'to be' & wacko & jibot | 16:43 |
| Steren | ?def Steren | 16:46 |
| jibot | Nobody has defined Steren yet | 16:46 |
| Steren | hé hé | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | Steren, I usually use the Swiss French keyboard instead, btw. (-: | 16:47 |
| greg-g | ?learn Steren is sitting next to greg-g | 16:47 |
| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g | 16:47 |
| davidstrauss | ?def cc | 16:48 |
| jibot | cc is Creative Commons, see #cc | 16:48 |
| paulproteus | Well jibot lives in #joiito normally. | 16:48 |
| greg-g | ?def recursion | 16:48 |
| jibot | recursion is recursion is recursion is recursion... | 16:48 |
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| paulproteus | ?karma c | 16:49 |
| jibot | c has 1684 points | 16:49 |
| davidstrauss | c++ | 16:49 |
| davidstrauss | ?karma c | 16:49 |
| jibot | c has 1685 points | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | ?karma c++ | 16:49 |
| jibot | c++ has 0 points | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | c++++ | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | ?karma c++ | 16:49 |
| jibot | c++ has 1 point | 16:49 |
| ftobia | ?karma paulproteus | 16:49 |
| jibot | paulproteus has 69 points | 16:49 |
| paulproteus | ?karma jeanniecool | 16:49 |
| jibot | jeanniecool has 279 points | 16:49 |
| tim_hwang | ?karma ftobia | 16:51 |
| jibot | ftobia has 0 points | 16:51 |
| tim_hwang | lame | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | ?karma phenny | 16:51 |
| jibot | phenny has 26 points | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | ?def phenny | 16:51 |
| jibot | phenny is a bot run by sbp, who hangs out in #swhack & you should talk to sbp if you have problems with her & responds to the help command & is datum's replacement & a nice she-bot who carries your messages all over freenode. /msg phenny 'phenny: help' for more info. & is my one true love! I love you Phenny & queen of the nonsequitur & phenny: tell jibot ?def phenny | 16:51 |
| ftobia | ?karma tim_hwang | 16:51 |
| jibot | tim_hwang has 1 point | 16:51 |
| davidstrauss | c++-- | 16:51 |
| Steren | ?learn greg-g is sitting in front of rejon | 16:51 |
| jibot | greg-g is sitting in front of rejon | 16:51 |
| davidstrauss | ?karma c++ | 16:51 |
| jibot | c++ has 0 points | 16:51 |
| Steren | ?def Steren | 16:51 |
| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | That's #cc remark is probably from back when mlinksva actually hung out in #cc. | 16:51 |
| davidstrauss | ?def boring | 16:51 |
| jibot | boring is annoying | 16:51 |
| paulproteus | ?def backchannel | 16:52 |
| jibot | Nobody has defined backchannel yet | 16:52 |
| paulproteus | Let's keep it that way. | 16:52 |
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| paulproteus | ?lay rejon | 17:03 |
| * jibot and rejon discreetly retreat to a secluded area in the #channel. Muffled noises suggest the things happening... | 17:03 | |
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| paulproteus | The website Teamspace is at http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/. | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm running into a problem with the get_license_name.plugin for Venus. | 17:34 |
| nkinkade | I was making a bad assumption earlier about license URLs which I've lately been disabused of. | 17:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade: uh, ok? | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | Not the URLs themselves, but about where in a feed they might be found. | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. I'll get to the point. | 17:35 |
| nathany | :) | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | Take Elliot Bledsoe's current feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/ccthroughthelookingglass | 17:35 |
| nkinkade | His first feed has multiple license links with rel="license", but they are there for the purpose of demonstration. | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | So my question is whether this plugin should be smart enough to try to find the "real" license URL for the feed, or if it's safe to ignore any license URL found in the <summary> | 17:36 |
| nathany | i forget... are we looking @ the summary as a fallback? | 17:37 |
| nathany | to the specs @ http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Syndication | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | I'm hoping for the latter, but was wondering if you knew of any cases where somehow, someway someone might try to mark their feed by somehow putting the license URI in the <summary> | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | So that sample seems to be looking first in the feed, then in the content. | 17:39 |
| nathany | i don't know of anyone doing that off the top of my head... are all of those links in Elliot's feed marked as rel="license"? | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, because it's straight HTML. | 17:39 |
| nathany | didn't you write that code? (to find the license?) | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | No, I didn't write that hypothetical code. | 17:40 |
| nathany | hypothetical? i think i'm not following | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | I think how I'm going to handle this is to *only* look for license urls outside of the content. | 17:40 |
| nathany | can we defer to stand up tomorrow? | 17:40 |
| nathany | what are you doing now? | 17:40 |
| nathany | (and why isn't it ok?) | 17:40 |
| nkinkade | Well, for that particular blog post it's pulling 5 distinct <a> tags with rel="license" but all are imposters except for one. | 17:41 |
| nkinkade | ... the one not found in the summary section. | 17:41 |
| nathany | right | 17:41 |
| nkinkade | I'll implement it the way that seems right to me now and we can give it a few minutes tomorrow at the standup. | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 17:42 |
| nathany | so i think this is my point of confusion -- did venus include that code to do that? | 17:42 |
| nathany | i thought you wrote the license+venus code | 17:42 |
| nathany | ok, fine | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 17:42 |
| nkinkade | ... now back to the BeautifulSoup documentation I go! | 17:43 |
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| rejon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Tribble | 18:09 |
| rejon | tim_hwang greg-g | 18:10 |
| paulproteus | davidstrauss, One last sentence: | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | "If the merge was trivial, then why even record it?" | 18:16 |
| paulproteus | Just rebase. | 18:16 |
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| paulproteus | ftobia, commit! | 18:51 |
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| jibot | rejon is a killer MC from staten island and is the 10th member of the wutang clan and http://www.rejon.org/ | 18:52 |
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| paulproteus | "brb as someone else" -- conley on #freeculture | 18:59 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: i'm going to. yeesh. | 18:59 |
| ftobia | i will admit that buildout is awesome. | 18:59 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 19:00 |
| ftobia | paulproteus: i haven't done anything exciting yet, though | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Commit early, commit often. | 19:00 |
| ftobia | but i understand the need to commit even the most minute details. | 19:00 |
| ftobia | active version control repositories give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. | 19:01 |
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| davidstrauss | freeculture.org-- | 20:08 |
| ftobia | ?karma freeculture.org | 20:08 |
| jibot | freeculture.org has -2 points | 20:08 |
| davidstrauss | mostly for using wordpress | 20:09 |
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| paulproteus | Zing, davidstrauss. | 20:44 |
| davidstrauss | zing++ | 20:44 |
| paulproteus | ?karma zing | 20:45 |
| jibot | zing has 1 point | 20:45 |
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| rejon | davidstrauss-- | 22:13 |
| greg-g | ?forget greg-g is sitting in front of rejon | 22:23 |
| jibot | I no longer know anything about greg-g | 22:23 |
| greg-g | ?learn greg-g is "developing" the "community" for "creative commons" | 22:24 |
| jibot | greg-g is "developing" the "community" for "creative commons" | 22:24 |
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| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g | 22:33 |
| Steren | ?learn Steren is from Nancy | 22:35 |
| jibot | Steren is sitting next to greg-g and from Nancy | 22:35 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother | 22:51 |
| davidstrauss | ?learn davidstrauss is not your mother | 22:53 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother and not your mother | 22:53 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother and not your mother and not P | 22:55 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother and not your mother and not P | 22:55 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is your mother and not your mother and not P and not P | 23:13 |
| davidstrauss | ?help | 23:14 |
| davidstrauss | ?forget davidstrauss is your mother | 23:14 |
| jibot | I now only know that davidstrauss is not your mother and not P and not P | 23:14 |
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| davidstrauss | ?learn davidstrauss is P and not P | 23:15 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is not P | 23:15 |
| davidstrauss | ?forget davidstrauss is not P | 23:15 |
| jibot | I no longer know anything about davidstrauss | 23:15 |
| davidstrauss | ?learn davidstrauss is P | 23:15 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is | 23:15 |
| davidstrauss | ?learn davidstrauss is P | 23:15 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is | 23:15 |
| davidstrauss | ?learn davidstrauss is "P" | 23:15 |
| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" | 23:15 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" | 23:16 |
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| jibot | davidstrauss is "P" and not "P" | 23:16 |
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