Tuesday, 2008-05-27

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isforinsectsThe new Via EEE clone is open source hardware via a CC license09:42
isforinsectsHow cool is that?09:42
hubif only the hardware used free software driver....09:47
hubneither the GPU nor the wifi do09:47
isforinsectsI hadn't dug in that far09:47
isforinsectsDo machines actually exist yet09:47
isforinsects?09:47
isforinsectsOr is it just a spec?09:47
hublooks a lot like an HP that got release10:08
hubHP 2133 Mini-Note10:09
hubnot sure it is that design, but it looks a hell lot like it when it comes to specs10:10
hubhttp://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/321957-321957-64295-321838-306995-3687084.html?jumpid=oc_R1002_USENC-001_HP%202133%20Mini-Note%20PC&lang=en&cc=us10:11
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nathanyMihai`: I just sent you an email; you should be set up with subversion, etc13:41
nathanylet me know if you run into problems13:41
Mihai`hello13:43
Mihai`yes i receive it13:44
Mihai`i tried to contact you on private chat ...13:44
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nathanyMihai`: how did you try to connect? private chat on IRC?  i didn't see anything come through14:11
Mihai`private on irc14:11
nathanyweird14:12
Mihai`seems i got your message14:12
Mihai`did you got mine ? ...14:12
nathanynope14:13
Mihai`indeed its strange14:13
nathanyi wonder if it has to do with the quote in your username? (that seems silly, but who knows)14:13
nathanyi'm heading to lunch right now; we can look at it after that if you're still online...14:14
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mihaihokay14:15
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mihaihthanks nkinkade for the account. it worked fine14:16
nkinkademihaih: No problem!14:18
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paulproteusnathany, Your not getting mihaih's private messages are probably because one of you is not registered with NickServ.15:52
paulproteusWhen stand?15:52
nathanyah, that makes sense15:53
nathanyi am registered :)15:53
nathanywe had scheduled standing for 23015:53
nathanywe'll stand when nkinkade returns from lunch15:53
paulproteusnathany, Super rad.15:53
paulproteushttp://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/27/1643258&from=rss is hilarious.15:54
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hdworakhi there16:21
hdworaktoday I was trying to install all major browsers (FF, Opera, MSIE, and Safari) on my Xubuntu laptop16:21
hdworakthe first two are very easy as they ship in packages16:22
hdworakthe third and the fourth is run using Wine16:22
hdworakunfortunately, this is not as trivial as it may seem16:22
hdworakI couldn't get IE7 to work (using ies4linux) - hangs during the start-up phase16:23
hdworakthen if you try to install IE6 which comes as a package in Wine-Doors - it doesn't work (they have a confirmed critical bug on that)16:23
hdworakhttp://www.wine-doors.org/trac/ticket/79616:28
hdworakif you try to install MSIE 6 using ies4linux, it does work, but then what about IE Developer Toolbar?16:28
hdworakthe problem is that MSIE 6 is configured in that way, that it requires Win98 emulation, whereas IE Dev Toolbar works with Win 2000 or newer16:29
hdworakso you need to change the operating system version and remove dll overrides for the installation process16:29
hdworakwhen it comes to Safari, it is less tricky - I've used winetricks to install two prerequisities and then it has been pretty straightforward16:30
hdworakI've written a Bash script to automate the process of installing these two browsers: http://rafb.net/p/qwzxKH38.txt16:33
hdworak(public domain)16:33
hdworakI'm gonna document all of this later on at CC Wiki16:34
hdworakand don't forget about http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/ which is a superb on-line tool (I've no affiliation with it)16:35
hdworakseems like a fast, MSIE-only alternative to http://browsershots.org/16:36
hdworakbut using aforementioned tools requires uploading the whole Web site, so it is no always a good solution16:37
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Does this look reasonable to you: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit?p=gitosis-admin.git;a=blob;f=gitosis.conf;h=b9f6efc334ec7d2ce916bf2ba6865c2618e5b24c;hb=a8189cd08d21c334c5f22e8d8e99d88da078ca2c18:50
paulproteus"SSL key"?18:50
paulproteus(-;18:50
nkinkadeThere isn't much to miss, but I just thought I'd check.18:50
paulproteusAnyway, looks god to me I think.18:50
nkinkadeYeah, I added it to the keydir.18:50
paulproteus(You mean "SSH key")18:50
nkinkadeWhy, thank you very much.18:50
paulproteusAnytime you need useless pedantry let me know.18:51
nkinkadeBut the lowercase "g" concerns me.  I usually prefer an uppercase.18:51
paulproteusOr don't, as in this case.18:51
paulproteusWhat, in "group"?18:51
nkinkadeNo in "god"18:51
paulproteusEr, oops.18:51
paulproteusZing.18:51
nkinkadeI guess I was thinking that OpenSSH uses the OpenSSL library to create the key.  Would it be totally incorrect to stay that SSH keys are a subset of SSL keys?18:53
paulproteusWell, it's not SSL.18:53
paulproteusThey're public-key-cryptosystem keys.18:53
paulproteusSSL is one security system that uses public key ciphers.18:54
paulproteusSSH is a different one, and the on-wire protocol for SSH doesn't use SSL.18:54
paulproteusBut OTOH you actually can do tricky things and use SSL keys for SSH, or PGP keys for SSH.18:54
paulproteusSince the keys are only specific to a cipher, not to how you use that cipher.18:54
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paulproteusUh-oh.19:35
* paulproteus runs for the hills19:36
nkinkadepaulproteus: I'm not in the sudoers group at rose?19:37
paulproteusnkinkade, That's right.19:37
nkinkadeI though you had added me?19:37
paulproteusI thought I would put you in it, but you suggested you'd rather not use it, so I removed you.19:37
nkinkadeDid I say that?19:37
paulproteusYes.19:37
nkinkadeThat's just as well19:37
* paulproteus chuckles.19:37
paulproteusYou might have even heard that chuckle.19:37
nkinkadeEspecially from someone who doesn't know the diff between SSL and SSH or those between a hole in the ground.19:38
nkinkadeCould be dangerous.19:38
paulproteusEh, more than likely not.19:38
nkinkadeBut could you add a forward for bri@nkinka.de?19:38
paulproteusBut this way I'm less likely to be embarrassed by the twisted mess of testing and stable I've created.19:38
paulproteusnkinkade, Sure, to where?19:38
paulproteusBTW, the best way to request this is probably by email.19:38
paulproteusnkinkade, It's there, feel free to test it.19:40
nkinkadeAwesome.  Thanks.  He'll be thrilled.19:41
paulproteusnkinkade, BTW, it would be super cool if I could have a system that easily let you email my /etc files, emailed me the patch rather than just applying it immediately, and had something I could do immediately to accept the patch if I liked it.19:41
nkinkadeOn rose, you mean?19:41
paulproteusYa.19:42
paulproteusEr, not "let you email", "let you modify".19:42
nkinkade Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state 14).19:46
nkinkadeAh, email => modify makes a big difference.19:46
nkinkadeAre you suggesting I write such a tool?19:46
paulproteusre: suggesting: No, but whoever does should build it on top of etckeeper.19:47
nkinkadeI've never even heard of etckeeper.19:47
paulproteusThat's why I mention it. (-:19:47
nkinkade:)19:47
nkinkadeIs that alias working?19:47
* paulproteus restarts postfix19:47
paulproteusboy that's taking a while.19:47
paulproteusOkay, now it should.19:48
nkinkadeSorry.  Thanks.19:48
paulproteus?19:48
paulproteusWhy sorry?19:48
nkinkadeSorry to have you mucking around in the virtual alias table instead of doing something more productive.19:50
paulproteusThis is awesome.19:50
paulproteusrose:~# tail -f -n2000 /var/log/mail.log | grep kink19:50
paulproteusis meaningful!19:50
paulproteusWell, no matter.  I'm just waiting for this song I like to finish and then leaving.19:50
nkinkadeHow does that turn out to be meaningful?19:55
paulproteusIt looks for thinks related to you!19:55
paulproteusPlus I get to grep for kink.19:55
paulproteusIt's the small joys.19:56
nkinkadeBut wouldn't grepping for "asheesh" be meaningful too?19:56
paulproteusSure, but that's not fun to look at.19:56
nkinkadebut "kink" is so easy to type,  Look ma'!  One hand!19:56
paulproteusWhereas "Show me only the things related to kink" is so much better.19:56
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