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| isforinsects | hey paulproteus | 10:19 |
| isforinsects | hi jgay | 10:22 |
| jgay | hey isforinsects | 10:22 |
| isforinsects | jgay do you follow govtrack.us at all? | 10:23 |
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| jgay | isforinsects: yup, I'm actually going out to Washington, DC next week to meet with Sunlight Foundation and Josh Tauberer who runs govtrack.us. | 10:30 |
| isforinsects | Oh great. I've been talking to Josh. He's agpl'd his software, but has absolutely no community. Not a single outside improvement has been made. | 10:31 |
| isforinsects | I'm bouncing ideas back and forth on what to do about it, etc. | 10:32 |
| jgay | isforinsects: yeah, I'm hoping to talk to everyone about strategies for getting outside community involved in their projects in general. | 10:48 |
| jgay | well, in reality, I'm going to talk about how to build do authentic community building | 10:48 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, You're at the office and the Internet works? | 11:16 |
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| hdworak | hi | 11:58 |
| hdworak | paulproteus: have you read what I did yesterday? do you think it's okay to put in in the CC Wiki article or skip it? | 11:59 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Sorry, I missed it, let me see the logs. | 11:59 |
| hdworak | when should I upload things to the git repository: whenever I write anything, whenever I write anything working, whenever I reach milestone, before evaluation, or at the final phase? | 12:09 |
| paulproteus | First of all, you should do local commits early and often. | 12:10 |
| paulproteus | Those don't upload anything unless you ask git to. | 12:11 |
| paulproteus | That's one of the joys of git. | 12:11 |
| paulproteus | But in truth, I would love it if if you would push all of those changes to our git repository. | 12:11 |
| hdworak | what about pylons integration? should I push everything with pylons included or just the files belonging to my application? | 12:11 |
| paulproteus | Just the files belonging to your application. | 12:12 |
| hdworak | what about the CC Website template? | 12:12 |
| hdworak | are we doing any sort of integration here? | 12:12 |
| paulproteus | You won't be using that yet. | 12:12 |
| paulproteus | That'll come later. | 12:12 |
| hdworak | later = at GSOC or really later? | 12:12 |
| paulproteus | later == during GSOC | 12:12 |
| hdworak | ok | 12:13 |
| paulproteus | Here's what I suggest: Start with this file - http://wiki.pylonshq.com/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=11698535 | 12:13 |
| paulproteus | Unpack it, and commit it to git. | 12:13 |
| hdworak | ok, so back to the CC Wiki | 12:13 |
| paulproteus | Do your work on top of that. | 12:13 |
| paulproteus | (Next step would be to add Genshi) | 12:13 |
| hdworak | should I put everything even indirectly related to the project (like yesterday) or just directly related things? | 12:14 |
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| hdworak | I'm reading http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Making+a+Pylons+Blog | 12:14 |
| hdworak | I've installed pylons via synaptic | 12:15 |
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| paulproteus | Great, hdworak. | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | Make sure you are working with Pylons 0.9.6 or above. | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, All of that can be written on your wiki page. | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | If it gets too cluttered we can reorganize it. | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | (I just read your web browser discussion at http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/irc/cc/%23cc.2008-05-27.log.html ) | 12:16 |
| hdworak | yes | 12:16 |
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| hdworak | it can be useful for other ppl, I guess | 12:16 |
| paulproteus | Like me! | 12:17 |
| hdworak | I've spent quite a few hours on this one | 12:17 |
| hdworak | but there's one thing to remember | 12:17 |
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| hdworak | you need a legal copy of Windows (any version, even 95) to use MSIE like that | 12:17 |
| paulproteus | Getting used to Pylons may take some time; I'm happy to help answer questions while I'm awake, and #pylons will probably be able to answer all the time. | 12:17 |
| * paulproteus nods | 12:17 | |
| paulproteus | Honestly, you have so much to do for now that I would not worry about other browsers than (say) Firefox right now. | 12:17 |
| paulproteus | Get your Pylons blog working first. | 12:17 |
| hdworak | :D | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | And then figure out how to make such a project work using Genshi. | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | And commit early, and commit often, and push often. | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | There's a lot of tools you'll need to get comfortable with just for your own use, let alone the browsers others will use. (-: | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | So make notes and decide you'll come back to that issue later. | 12:19 |
| paulproteus | URL for pylons blog tutorial you're doing? | 12:19 |
| hdworak | well, when it comes to the browsers, I've got it out of the way by now | 12:19 |
| paulproteus | Oh, good point. (-: | 12:19 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Making+a+Pylons+Blog | 12:19 |
| hdworak | I'm working on the localhost | 12:19 |
| hdworak | I don't have any Python-aware Web account | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | Okay, this looks good. | 12:20 |
| hdworak | :) | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | You should get some practice using git; I'm going to be trying to impose good git practices on you later on. | 12:20 |
| hdworak | ok, but you can delete every CC Wiki article and erase the git repository? | 12:21 |
| paulproteus | ? | 12:21 |
| hdworak | well, when I do a stupid commit | 12:21 |
| hdworak | that I would not like to stay there | 12:22 |
| hdworak | for instance | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | Git lets you clean that up. | 12:22 |
| hdworak | or I'll write an article just to find that it's irrelevant later | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | Do your stupid commits in a separate branch from your good commits. | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | Or do your stupid commits locally, and use git's "amend" feature to change them once you have commits you prefer. | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | And only then push. | 12:22 |
| hdworak | ok, 'cause when it came to CVS on sourceforge, we had to write a ticket for that to the sf crew | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, well, please forget everything you know about CVS. | 12:23 |
| paulproteus | It has basically nothing to do with git. | 12:23 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 12:23 |
| hdworak | no problem | 12:25 |
| paulproteus | "Local commits" make a huge difference. | 12:25 |
| hdworak | I'm gonna write a book on git+pylons+genshi+rdfa in August | 12:25 |
| hdworak | are you running Ubuntu? | 12:26 |
| paulproteus | Laptop Ubuntu, desktop Debian. | 12:26 |
| paulproteus | I work on Pylons projects on both. | 12:27 |
| hdworak | ok :) | 12:28 |
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| hdworak | the tutorial involves many steps | 12:39 |
| hdworak | but I've managed to complete it so far: http://www.imagesduo.com/uploads/441519VKvgYDIL5GK8fxBZyj4WqrvKow2QpCL.png | 12:40 |
| hdworak | now I need to analyse this | 12:40 |
| hdworak | what do you use for the database there at cc? | 12:44 |
| hdworak | postgres, mysql, sqlite? | 12:44 |
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| nathany_ | hdworak: are you still waiting for an answer re: database? | 12:50 |
| hdworak | yes, I'm not chatting with anyone behind your back :) | 12:50 |
| nathany_ | i wouldn't care if you were, just didn't want to both answering if you already had one :) | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, For now, use sqlite. | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | We'll transition you to MySQL later. | 12:51 |
| nathany_ | there you go | 12:51 |
| hdworak | ok, I did a tutorial on MySQL | 12:51 |
| hdworak | thanks | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | lol, it says "Hi, paulproteus" | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Next step for you is to move it to Genshi templates. | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | (As I see it, at least.) | 12:51 |
| hdworak | when I do PHP, I use MySQL or XML for the model | 12:51 |
| * paulproteus nods | 12:51 | |
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| hdworak | hold on | 12:53 |
| hdworak | maybe there's a genshi+pylons tutorial | 12:53 |
| hdworak | that could save some time | 12:53 |
| hdworak | googling it atm | 12:53 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Probably best to ask #pylons what the best such tutorial is. | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | I see a few. | 12:54 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Genshi+templates | 12:55 |
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| paulproteus | http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscookbook/Genshi+templates looks good to me, though. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | Yeah. | 12:55 |
| hdworak | hehe | 12:55 |
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| hdworak | and there's #python-genshi | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | Well, that tutorial seems like a good start for now. | 12:56 |
| hdworak | ok, now I need to look for a pylons+genshi+rdfa tutorial | 12:57 |
| hdworak | j/k | 12:57 |
| ajbrooks | is there a hardy cc repository or will the feisty one work ok with a hardy system? | 13:04 |
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| paulproteus | ajbrooks, The Feisty one should work okay. | 13:05 |
| paulproteus | It could use some loving, though. | 13:05 |
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| ajbrooks | paulproteus: what's in the asheesh repo, btw? | 13:05 |
| paulproteus | ? | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | URL? | 13:06 |
| ajbrooks | you have one on your website | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | I can't even remember. | 13:06 |
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| paulproteus | (-: | 13:07 |
| paulproteus | Probably my patched gstm. | 13:07 |
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| nkinkade | nathany_: Does mkdeeds also compile the po files to mo's? | 13:36 |
| nathany_ | no | 13:37 |
| nathany_ | buildout does that as part of the application assembly process | 13:37 |
| nathany_ | you can run: | 13:37 |
| nathany_ | $ ./bin/buildout install i18n | 13:37 |
| nathany_ | to just re-run that part | 13:37 |
| nkinkade | ah ha. | 13:37 |
| * paulproteus is truckin' along from home btw | 13:37 | |
| nkinkade | That's just what I was looking for. Thanks. | 13:37 |
| jgay | hey, does anybody know of any rock stars that run GNU/Linux? | 13:39 |
| paulproteus | To narrow the search space, are there rock stars people can think of who care about computers? | 13:39 |
| paulproteus | I can't, but I'm not a huge rock star follower. | 13:40 |
| paulproteus | Maybe Pitchfork might know. | 13:40 |
| hdworak | rms performs a song about GNU philosophy, but it ain't rock | 13:40 |
| jgay | hdworak: yeah, I actually formatted the free software song in lilypond ... I am actually looking for any entertainer/famous person that runs GNU/Linux | 13:43 |
| hdworak | Mark Shuttleworth is the first African person to go to space | 13:45 |
| hdworak | you can think of him as famous in this way | 13:45 |
| hdworak | "Super model Cindy Margolis works since several years with the Operating System Debian, a combination of the Linux-Kernel and components of the GNU-Project [..]" | 13:46 |
| hdworak | http://blog.schmehl.info/Debian/events/cebit-2005/2005/03/14 | 13:46 |
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| hdworak | Wil Wheaton (http://imdb.com/name/nm0000696/) (Wesley Crusher from Star Trek Next Gen). | 13:48 |
| hdworak | you can read about his GNU/Linux experience in his blog | 13:48 |
| jgay | hdworak: yeah, I don't think Wil Wheaton counts ... he's a 'celebrity' that is making his life out of being a geek, hehe. | 13:49 |
| hdworak | hey, I've never been outside Europe | 13:50 |
| hdworak | so it's not my world | 13:50 |
| jgay | he kind of went the other way around -- being a super geek led him to star trek which led him to become a celebrity, but mainly amongst people who watch star trek | 13:50 |
| jgay | hdworak: European celebrities work, too :-) | 13:50 |
| hdworak | if I remember correctly, his blog is hosted by the company that runs www.ipv6porn.com | 13:51 |
| hdworak | (not a sex link) | 13:51 |
| paulproteus | That's an ingenious plan. | 13:56 |
| hdworak | indeed | 13:56 |
| hdworak | looking forward to its outcome | 13:56 |
| hdworak | ain't difficult to configure Ubuntu to use a tunnel, even if you do not have a public IPv4 | 13:57 |
| paulproteus | ajbrooks, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Semantic_Forms#Uploading_files - glad you asked, eh? | 13:58 |
| paulproteus | c.f. http://groups.google.com/group/semantic-forms/browse_thread/thread/f24763fdaa389d33 | 13:59 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Why'd a5 get rebooted? | 14:04 |
| nkinkade | Because I applied a kernel upgrade. | 14:04 |
| nkinkade | Did it interrupt some process you had going? I didn't see that anyone was logged in or otherwise had a terminal. | 14:05 |
| paulproteus | It's just the place I run my nightly stats cron job. | 14:07 |
| paulproteus | And I feel bad when it gets interrupted. | 14:08 |
| hdworak | [*] | 14:09 |
| nkinkade | Does it really run nightly? It's 2PM where that machine is located. Or does it run more or less constantly. | 14:10 |
| paulproteus | It's pretty close to constantly. | 14:10 |
| paulproteus | crontab -l will say when it runs. | 14:11 |
| paulproteus | I really don't remember. | 14:11 |
| nkinkade | How should I hand this in the future? And the script can't recover after a reboot or otherwise being interrupted? | 14:11 |
| paulproteus | Well, it'd be nice if I don't have to re-engineer this thing to handle death gracefully. | 14:15 |
| paulproteus | I'd be happy to touch a file somewhere when my script doesn't mind a reboot. | 14:16 |
| paulproteus | So that that if that file exists, I officially Don't Mind. | 14:16 |
| paulproteus | That's not great, though. | 14:16 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, SYN | 14:17 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, The nice thing about my "touch a file" thing is you could do: | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | while [ ! -f /home/paulproteus/reboot-ok ] ; do | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | sleep 2m | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | reboot | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | Something like that could be left in a screen. | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | But then I guess you're not in control of when the reboot would happen then. | 14:18 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, If I fly out to see my parents Thursday June 12 and come back Tue June 17 evening, would that plan interfere with the Tech Summit timetable? | 14:19 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade, I dunno, what do you think? | 14:20 |
| nathany_ | paulproteus: that's fine; you'll need to be down @ Google by 9-ish | 14:23 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, How are you getting there Wed morning? | 14:23 |
| nathany_ | so assuming you can be up for that, no problems here | 14:23 |
| nathany_ | unknown; probably zip car | 14:23 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: I don't really like that idea. A better idea would simply be for me to be more organized about it and to actually schedule reboots and make sure everyone is aware that when they will happend. | 14:23 |
| nathany_ | in which case i can drive you | 14:23 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, Right | 14:24 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay, I like that plan too. | 14:24 |
| nathany_ | paulproteus: of course, i may be leaving slightly earlier than you'd absolutely have to... just fyi | 14:24 |
| * paulproteus nods | 14:24 | |
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| nkinkade | We don't need bash to rectify poor planning on my part. | 14:24 |
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| paulproteus | We don't need to rectify poor planning on your part if we can bash you. | 14:24 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 14:25 |
| nkinkade | From here forward I'll send out an email to webmaster with a notification, and a few days in advance so that if anyone has an issue with it they can simply email or otherwise contact me. | 14:25 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Great. | 14:26 |
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| nkinkade | http://www.amazon.com/Network-Pair-Splitter-10base-T-Single/dp/B000BSLRLW/ref=pd_sim_e_title_3 | 16:19 |
| nkinkade | But it's still $8.99 and we'd need 2 and then tax and shipping. | 16:19 |
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| paulproteus | So call it $20-25. For "only" twice the price, you can get a WRT54GL. | 16:30 |
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| nkinkade | My thoughts exactly. Those splitters don't make sense. | 16:32 |
| nkinkade | Well, they could make sense, but not in this very particular situation. | 16:32 |
| paulproteus | .......> /home/paulproteus/gitted/herder/herder/model/language.py(19)suggest() | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | -> raise CatFromTheDead | 16:39 |
| paulproteus | Huh, I wonder what that's about. | 16:39 |
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| hdworak | ok, I'd my first pass on this blog tutorial | 17:12 |
| hdworak | plus its reference: http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonsdocs/Using+SQLAlchemy+with+Pylons | 17:12 |
| hdworak | I'll do the 2nd pass and then proceed to the pylons+genshi tutorial | 17:13 |
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| paulproteus | hdworak, Great! | 17:13 |
| hdworak | then do blog templates using genshi | 17:13 |
| hdworak | then swap blog to input->output application | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | Magical. | 17:13 |
| hdworak | then git to cc repository | 17:13 |
| hdworak | sounds like a plan? | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | Sounds perfect. | 17:14 |
| hdworak | ;) | 17:14 |
| hdworak | bbl | 17:17 |
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| nkinkade | nathany_food: Something looks strange about the way sync merged in changes from master for one entry. It added the i18n:translate stuff. | 17:58 |
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