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| montagg | paulproteus: Do you know if CC is working toward declaring any other free licenses compatible? I know there's some language in the new statement regarding compatibility, but few specifics. | 00:24 |
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| montagg | I ask because Jamendo keeps screwing me on giving me work I can use for "commercial purposes" and "make derivatives" from it, and it hands me a LAL work without telling me, and I want to kick it. | 00:25 |
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| Mihai`` | nathany there ? | 11:44 |
| nathany | Hi Mihai``... in a meeting right now; what's up | 11:44 |
| Mihai`` | oh , i wanted to say thank you for accepting me in gsoc :) | 11:45 |
| Mihai`` | and i guess i wanted to get started ... | 11:46 |
| Mihai`` | but i guess you are busy now, so i can wait | 11:46 |
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| nathany | Mihai``: you're welcome... we'll be sending some intro emails in the next day or two | 12:01 |
| nathany | with some startup stuff | 12:01 |
| Mihai`` | cool | 12:02 |
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| Mihai`` | at the moment i downloaded the source code for ccooo | 12:02 |
| Mihai`` | i think i have my hands full for the momment :) | 12:02 |
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| nathany | Mihai``: ok, great :) | 12:34 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: You there? | 12:44 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Yes. | 12:45 |
| nkinkade | I was just shocked to find 3 dirvish-cronjobs running on your machine. | 12:45 |
| paulproteus | Oh, interesting. | 12:45 |
| nkinkade | and that the last successful backup was the 21st. | 12:45 |
| paulproteus | Probably one of my jobs is taking a long long time? | 12:45 |
| nkinkade | I presume that the last 3 days worth are still running. | 12:45 |
| * paulproteus nods | 12:46 | |
| paulproteus | Three, though? | 12:46 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps, but this is a major problem. | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | Are they stepping on each others' toes? I wonder. | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | Yes, I can see why you'd say that (and I'd even agree!). | 12:46 |
| nkinkade | They might be, but I thought that it was set to not run concurrently. | 12:46 |
| nkinkade | When did you add niceness to the cronjob? | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | I don't remember doing that off-hand. | 12:46 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure that doesn't slow it down though. | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | I/O bandwidth isn't affected by niceness, and dirvish cron jobs don't use much CPU. | 12:47 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think we need to look into moving backups off that machine sooner than later. | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Or just separating my cron jobs from yours! | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | That'd be just as good, I think... | 12:47 |
| nkinkade | It's just to critical a thing to mingle with someone else's work. | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | (So that mine can take days and yours are unaffected.) | 12:47 |
| nathany | what's taking days to run? | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | My personal backup jobs. | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | "Easy answer: Tell Asheesh to not run personal backup jobs in the same system as the CC backup jobs." | 12:48 |
| nkinkade | Interestingly, I just created a task for myself to write some scripts that would automatically verify backups. | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | That's how I see it, and then I have to figure out what to do, but I'm a smart cookie and can figure it out. | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | (Given that dirvish runs all backup jobs in serial.) | 12:49 |
| nkinkade | Even if you weren't to run you backup jobs, I still think we need to move those backups. | 12:49 |
| paulproteus | (This wouldn't be an issue if dirvish ran the backup jobs in parallel.) | 12:49 |
| nathany | i'm still sort of incredulous that your stuff to back up on that machine can be *that* big | 12:49 |
| nkinkade | Don't put anything past paulproteus. | 12:49 |
| nkinkade | :) | 12:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade: refresh my memory... backups... live on that machine? are run there and uploaded to S3? can't remember what we decided to do | 12:49 |
| nkinkade | Especially on that machine. I've witnessed things I never thought I'd see on a computer. | 12:49 |
| nathany | lol | 12:50 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus's machine | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | Hey... | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | Other than the Ubuntu->Debian "upgrade," I don't know what's super fruity there. | 12:50 |
| nkinkade | And he's manages the machine well, I'm sure, but he's also been know to abuse it badly in the name of science. | 12:50 |
| nathany | lol | 12:50 |
| nathany | Ah Science; she's a harsh mistress | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | In my defense, I also abuse a8 in the name of science. | 12:51 |
| nathany | true enough | 12:51 |
| nkinkade | True 'dat. | 12:51 |
| nathany | so do you have a proposal on where to move things to, nkinkade? | 12:51 |
| Bovinity | weird science. | 12:51 |
| nathany | she blinded me with science | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | She blinded me with backups. | 12:51 |
| nkinkade | I think we should have a dedicated machine. | 12:51 |
| paulproteus | That seems reasonable enough to me (and lets me buy an internal drive for my personal backups...) but I would just suggest against spending too much money on it. | 12:52 |
| nkinkade | And it could also substitute as a general backup machine, even for desktops and such. | 12:52 |
| nkinkade | I think this has come up before. | 12:52 |
| nathany | it has | 12:52 |
| nathany | iirc there was budgetary push-back before | 12:52 |
| nkinkade | That could be ... but in this case I think we need to evaluate the value of backups. | 12:53 |
| nathany | true | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | Does CC really have no spare computers lying around? | 12:53 |
| nathany | ok, can we remove our backup's dependency on paulproteus's jobs running now and i'll look at the budget | 12:53 |
| nkinkade | I guess it's hard to put a monetary value on it. | 12:53 |
| nathany | we can chat about it this afternoon | 12:54 |
| nkinkade | I'm not 100% sure what Dirvish is doing, but there are 3 instance running concurrently. | 12:54 |
| nkinkade | And they all have something to do with rose.makesad.us | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, My guess is that it's allowing itself to run three times. | 12:54 |
| nathany | what is rose.makesad.us? | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | My personal server. | 12:54 |
| nkinkade | So like paulproteus said, I suspect it's hungup on backing up loads of other stuff. | 12:55 |
| nathany | um, not to be a total dick, but why are you running backups from that to your box here? | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I have an external drive here, and this machine is always on? | 12:55 |
| nathany | ah, ok | 12:55 |
| nkinkade | It's a reasonable question, I think. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | My guess (not double-checked) is that since the first day didn't finish and there's no lock preventing it from re-running the same job, it's going into a tragic loop. | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | iirc I wrote a lousy Python script for avoiding this problem, and nkinkade wrote a more reasonable Perl thing for it. | 12:55 |
| nathany | sorry, i jumped to the conclusion you were using the drive space for CC backups... shouldn't have done that | 12:55 |
| nkinkade | I thought we had something in the config somewhere that checked for another running instance and failed if there was? | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | nathany, /me shrugs, no worries, that's what questions are for. | 12:56 |
| nkinkade | Then again, I think I suggested 3 lines of Perl code to write a PID to check against. | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | Yes, which makes perfectly good sense. | 12:57 |
| nathany | anyway, can we kill the hung up jobs so they don't block CC backups (which should be priority regardless of disk space) and fix the concurrency check? | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Do you want to check if that's there, or do you want me to? | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Let's disagnose the current situation first? | 12:57 |
| nkinkade | Check what again? | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | Check if it's doing the "allow self to run while self is running" thing. | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | OH! | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | Actually I think in the end I didn't tell anyone, but I abandoned my Python script method in preference to hacking the dirvish-cronjob shell script. | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | *And* I only did that modification on rose.makesad.us (which itself pulls backups from places), not on my desktop. | 12:58 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i'm fine with diagnosing the situation but want to be certain that backups are going to run as expected when i leave the office this afternoon | 12:58 |
| paulproteus | nathany, You got it, I can commit to that. | 12:58 |
| nathany | great | 12:58 |
| nathany | ok, i'm working pretty focused now | 12:58 |
| paulproteus | My shell script modification version has the cron job fail in the case that it's already running, and send out an email to root. | 12:58 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, I never tried your Perl version though. | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | Something like | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | if ( -s "$pid_file" && system('ps `cat $pid_file`') == 0 ) { | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | print "It seems that another instance of $0 is still/already running. Exiting ...\n"; | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | exit; | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | } | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | Oh, that's ugly. Sorry. | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | And then a line to write the pid file. | 12:59 |
| nkinkade | I'll get that going in /etc/dirvish/dirvish-cronjob right now | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | And shall I just kill the running backups? | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | Sure, kill 'em dead. | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | I'd also like to remove the nice from the command. | 13:00 |
| paulproteus | Sure, since it's meaningless. | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | But I know that might affect your usage of the machine, at 10PM. | 13:00 |
| nkinkade | Or thereabouts. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Which does happen, especially when I'm in Japan. (-: | 13:01 |
| nkinkade | So, to summarize: I'll kill off the running jobs, fix the script and then restart it. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Okay, except: | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | Let me find my shell version and see if you like that more. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | I'll be back with it in 45s or so. | 13:02 |
| nkinkade | Your python thing? | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | No, the one that's not Python. | 13:02 |
| nkinkade | Whatever you were doing, I recall it seemed not all that elegant, to me, at least. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | So dirvish-cronjob is shell, not Perl. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | Yes. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | That version sucked. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | As I wrote: | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | <paulproteus> Actually I think in the end I didn't tell anyone, but I abandoned my Python script method in preference to hacking the dirvish-cronjob shell script. | 13:02 |
| nkinkade | Checking for the existence of rsync-errors, or something like that. | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | Gimme a sec. | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | I think you may like this more. | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | Please on my desktop, do: | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | diff /etc/dirvish/dirvish-cronjob /tmp/dirvish-cronjob | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | Oh, wait a sec. | 13:03 |
| paulproteus | Let me clean up the diff. | 13:04 |
| paulproteus | Now try: | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | diff --minimal /etc/dirvish/dirvish-cronjob /tmp/dirvish-cronjob | less | 13:06 |
| paulproteus | This is smarter than yours - it stores the PID file in a /var/lock file. | 13:07 |
| paulproteus | For example, if I ran a different program called "dirvish", then yours would abort, but mine would succeed. | 13:07 |
| paulproteus | Which is as it should be. | 13:07 |
| paulproteus | And it enhances the shell script of dirvish-cronjob, rather than modifying the Perl of dirvish itself. | 13:08 |
| paulproteus | I can probably get the Debian maintainer to accept my patch, conveniently. | 13:08 |
| nkinkade | That all looks good to me. | 13:08 |
| paulproteus | Want me to apply it? | 13:08 |
| nkinkade | Wait, why would mine fail? | 13:09 |
| paulproteus | It checks for $0. | 13:09 |
| nkinkade | But mine was in Perl anyway. | 13:09 |
| nkinkade | Which one are you talking about? I'm referring to a check like this one: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/scripts/fetch_backups.pl?revision=8027&view=markup | 13:09 |
| paulproteus | The check for $0 is a name-based check, so if I'm running a different program that's designed not to clash with yours, but it has the same name for some reason, then yours will be surprised. | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | Well, that refers to rdiff-backup and therefore isn't really relevant, right? | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | Oh, never mind - you do check with a PID file. | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | <nkinkade> print "It seems that another instance of $0 is still/already running. Exiting ...\n"; | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | You only use $0 for echoing, not for checking. My bad. | 13:10 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, how about I apply my patch? | 13:11 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, go ahead. | 13:11 |
| paulproteus | I've also commented-out my jobs from the /etc/dirvish/master.conf. | 13:11 |
| paulproteus | Applied. | 13:11 |
| paulproteus | I'll use my own separate dirvish conf and my own separate cron job. | 13:12 |
| nkinkade | Okay, so I'm going to restart the job manually now. | 13:12 |
| paulproteus | And kill the old jobs dead too, while you're at it. | 13:12 |
| paulproteus | Sorry about causing a ruckus. (-: | 13:12 |
| nkinkade | I'm just glad I caught it 3 days after the fact. I try to get into your machine once every week or so to check on the backups. | 13:17 |
| nkinkade | And it was just pure coincidence that I created a task for myself to automate the verification of backups. You can see it at teamspace. | 13:18 |
| paulproteus | Well, I'm sorry I'm creating things for you to "catch". | 13:18 |
| nkinkade | All's well that ends well, I always say. | 13:21 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 13:26 |
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| lifeeth | !quote rohitj | 13:28 |
| bugmebot | lifeeth: <rohitj> its irritating | 13:28 |
| bheekling | !part #cc | 13:28 |
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| bheekling | sorry about that people... | 13:29 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: SYN | 14:25 |
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| mecredis | hrm just found a SMW bug | 15:04 |
| mecredis | You can't put inline queries as the value of a template variable | 15:04 |
| mecredis | {{Template |Variable={{#ask: ... }} }} breaks | 15:04 |
| nathany | really? that's a tiny bit surprising... yuck | 15:06 |
| mecredis | yeah | 15:07 |
| mecredis | the Template needs to be "greedy" and the ask needs to be lazy | 15:07 |
| mecredis | but it seems to be the opposite. | 15:07 |
| mecredis | :( | 15:07 |
| nathany | ah | 15:08 |
| paulproteus | nathany, ACK.. | 15:18 |
| nathany | paulproteus: nm, sent via email | 15:19 |
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| paulproteus | Got it. | 15:20 |
| nathany | paulproteus: interested in http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscommunity/Sprints ? | 15:20 |
| paulproteus | I saw that, yeah. How's "Maybe?" for an answer? | 15:21 |
| paulproteus | It's on a weekend, which is a little sad. (-; | 15:22 |
| nathany | yeah, i know | 15:22 |
| nathany | i was going to sign up and then i realized it was a weekend... boo hiss | 15:22 |
| paulproteus | I mean, it makes sense for people without bosses like you and Mike. | 15:22 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yes, but if we organize the world for those people, we'll always have that sort of world | 15:34 |
| nathany | (the sort with lame bosses ;) ) | 15:34 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Man, I don't like your templating system. Is this Mako templates? | 15:42 |
| nathany | "your" templating system? | 15:42 |
| nathany | i believe it's Mako, yes | 15:42 |
| paulproteus | I mean, I'm working on Herder, and the code up to here is yours. | 15:42 |
| nathany | you mean the way I nested them? | 15:42 |
| nathany | right | 15:42 |
| paulproteus | No, not the way you nested them. | 15:42 |
| paulproteus | The fact that it's even *possible* for this template to generate <title>s with <a href=""> in them. | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | Rather than escaping the inner content by default. | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | It's just Wrong. | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | Be aware of what you're generating | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | ! | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | It's (X)HTML, not strings! | 15:43 |
| nathany | ah, got it | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | It makes me particularly scared when you <div id="%{template command}">. | 15:43 |
| paulproteus | Who KNOWS what will happen there? | 15:43 |
| * paulproteus sighs. | 15:43 | |
| nathany | true enough | 15:44 |
| nathany | i'm not 100% convinced that Mako is dangerous... seems pretty well distributed | 15:45 |
| nathany | but i think you can swap out different templating engines using Buffet | 15:45 |
| nathany | i'm not married to Mako, just used them because they were the default | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, I'm aware. I seem to recall a deep love for Kid from my experience with them. | 15:45 |
| paulproteus | Radical correctness or else. | 15:45 |
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| mecredis | wow | 17:35 |
| mecredis | I accidentally pasted some localization code into my terminal | 17:36 |
| mecredis | and now I've got half a dozen files that I can't delete | 17:36 |
| mecredis | because their names are in unicode | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | Move the normally named files to another directory, and then rm ./* ??? | 17:39 |
| mecredis | yah | 17:41 |
| mecredis | good idea | 17:41 |
| mecredis | gah | 17:41 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, What I do is I use "?" to match the characters I can't type. | 17:47 |
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| ianloic | I don't know if anyone else noticed this but I was just listening to the most recent This American Life this morning and at the end they said something along the lines of "some of the music in today's show is from Nine Inch Nails' album Ghosts". I guess that's the CC attribution :) | 17:59 |
| paulproteus | Wow, nice. (-: | 18:00 |
| tvol | yeah i heard that too, ianloic--awesome | 18:03 |
| ianloic | tvol, it was great how low key it was. It wasn't "HERE'S THE CC ATTRIBUTION!!!", it was just a simple, effective statement of attribution. | 18:04 |
| tvol | classy | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Wow, I should have gone to the Selenium night some time back at Google. | 18:05 |
| paulproteus | nathany, http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/last_night_s_selenium_users | 18:05 |
| rohitj | Bluehost.com asked me remove some songs from my site. These songs were downloaded from jamendo.com, and I wasn't distributing them. When I argued saying I am legally allowed to possess them they said "There is no way to prove that you have the rights to possess and/or distribute this music." .... and so you must remove these songs. :D | 18:18 |
| rohitj | I wonder how to argue with them | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | rohitj: Are they going to yank your hosting if you don't take them down? | 18:21 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: they have already done that. They gave me 48 hour, but they did that before it giving some lame arguement. | 18:21 |
| Bovinity | rohitj: did you direct them to the corresponding jamendo page? | 18:22 |
| rohitj | and the beauty is that they have not been notified by any law enforcing authority | 18:22 |
| rohitj | Bovinity: I did. | 18:22 |
| nkinkade | Sounds to me like a hosting company you wouldn't want to be with anyway. | 18:24 |
| paulproteus | rohitj, Did you link them to the Jamendo download link for the songs? | 18:24 |
| paulproteus | nathany, SYN? | 18:24 |
| Bovinity | he be out | 18:24 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: true | 18:24 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: I guess I will give them link to each song. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | If they can't even be reasonable and check their facts, and then to pull your hosting, and all over something that wasn't even illegal. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | Jeeez. | 18:25 |
| rohitj | in their words "There is no way for us to know where you got the files from. I understand that the URL you gave promotes what you described, but we will not go through every song on your account & make sure it is on this free website." | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | So are they basically saying that no customer can host any songs on any site that they host? | 18:27 |
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| rohitj | I have no idea what they want | 18:27 |
| rohitj | once I said that I made those songs, now can I possess them. And then they were like, prove it to us that you made the songs. | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | Did someone complain about your songs? | 18:28 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: I asked them this question repeatedly, they didn't respond answer that question. | 18:28 |
| Bovinity | sounds like shitty customer service to me | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | rohitj, You should probably flame them in public somewhere. | 18:29 |
| nkinkade | What I'd be curious to know is how they knew you even had songs on your site. Are they scanning their users files for certain media types? | 18:29 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: some of my friends who are on some popular planets are gonna do that | 18:29 |
| paulproteus | Do their terms of service ban this? | 18:29 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: yes, there is nothing called privacy there | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | "this" being "putting files on your account you're allowed to distribute, but then not distributing them"? | 18:30 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: I think they are scanning user files. Because tehre is no other way to access those files. | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | rohitj, You should demand they remove all WordPress installs. | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | Or otherwise demand that they remove people's accounts for hosting that warez written in PHP. | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | No one will be able to prove that they have permission to host a copy of the WordPress software. | 18:30 |
| Bovinity | lol, their knowledge base includes documentation on "how do i stream .mp3 files?" | 18:31 |
| Bovinity | http://helpdesk.bluehost.com/kb/index.php?x=&mod_id=2&id=113 | 18:31 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: I argued that as well saying "You need to understand that I have *rights* to possess those songs. Even open source softwares like wordpress that you give to your users are copyrighted. But you still give it away because those softwares are licensed in a ways that you can distribute them. In the similar way these songs are licensed in a way that I can possess them. I am even giving you a valid place (http://jamendo.com) where you can get to know a | 18:31 |
| rohitj | bout it. Now should I say that you are giving softwares illegally? No, right?" | 18:31 |
| paulproteus | Your reaction seems extraordinarily reasonable. | 18:32 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: ToS doesn't talk about distribution etc. So, I am allowed to do that. And anyways their claim is that these songs are infringing copyright laws | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | Like paulproteus said, you should flame them somewhere in public .. and then I'd just drop it. There's lot of companies out there like that, I'm sure. You could press the issue, but at the end of the day you will just cause stress for yourself. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | If I were you, I'd be prepared for them to remove my account by making a backup of my data, but I'd press the issue. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Don't delete them; see who blinks. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Just say, "No, you're wrong, I have permission. I'm not deleting them." | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | I figured paulproteus would take that stance. :) | 18:34 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: stress is not a problem. If they try to harass me in any way, I am gonna fight | 18:34 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: yepp | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Seeing who blinks is fun. | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: But he said earilier that they already yanked his hosting, unless I misunderstood. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | In all sorts of circumstances. | 18:34 |
| rohitj | yepp, they pulled my site down, I have 30 days before they delete my account altogether. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I missed that part? | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Oh. | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Those jerks. | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Are they breaking the contact you two entered into? | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | Obviously I'm not a lawyer. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | rohitj: I guess I was speaking more from a Eastern philosophy standpoint re: the let it go thing. You have to pick your battles and this one doesn't seem like it'll be fruitful for anyone involved. | 18:36 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: at the end they reserve all rights, isn't it | 18:36 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: hmm | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | Better to spend the time fighting factory farming and animal abuse, or the degradation of the natural world. | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | I'm just blathering here, more or less, but I say these things sincerely. | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | It's possible, I haven't read your contract. | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | That's pretty evil of them. I'm glad you didn't blink. | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to vanish for now. | 18:38 |
| rohitj | hmm | 18:38 |
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| rohitj | do you people think EFF would be helpful? | 18:45 |
| rohitj | paulproteus: ^^ | 18:45 |
| rohitj | nkinkade: this battle will at least keep my self-respect high ;) | 18:46 |
| bheekling | rohitj, you called us after the conversation was over :P | 18:50 |
| rohitj | bheekling: :) | 18:52 |
| rohitj | bheekling: http://dpaste.com/46799/ | 18:58 |
| bheekling | hmmmm | 18:59 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you care to merge to production your changes to ccLearn? | 19:02 |
| nkinkade | Seems like we resolved the doubt at lunch, and Ahrash is fine with it as long as the posts don't show up on the main blog. | 19:03 |
| nkinkade | And, by the way, I'm seriously considering a setup like that of paulproteus so that I can stand in front of my computer. | 19:03 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: i was just about about to let you know, and do it | 19:05 |
| Bovinity | he doesn't want those feature items to appear on cc blog? | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Right. | 19:09 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ACK | 19:10 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: SMW for teamspace and wiki is now at 1.1.1. | 19:56 |
| nathany | nkinkade: awesome! thanks | 19:57 |
| nkinkade | Strange this is that the version on teamspace still reads 1.0.1 | 19:57 |
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