Wednesday, 2008-04-23

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rejontvol: I think we can use the preload feature of smw forms rather than make those big ass properties09:56
rejonotherwise, I think we would have to shut off the factbox09:56
tvolrejon yah get's a bit long-winded otherwise09:57
rejonyah, trying it out09:57
rejonmass SMW pain in my brain10:04
rejontvol: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:AddData/Case_Study/Test_this_out10:10
rejonbetter10:10
rejonso even if one saves the page, there is link to edit that section10:11
rejonhow can we nuke those three properties10:13
rejontvol: is that too confusing?10:19
tvolrejon: can check in a min...not enough hands10:20
rejongrow more!10:20
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rejontvol:10:32
rejonwhat u think10:32
tvolrejon--looks good. as long as folks don't delete the code line, right?10:35
tvolotherwise looks cool10:35
tvolmaybe say "Delete this line and add your text in its place."10:36
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paulproteusHey all.11:08
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tvol_paulproteus: Good morn11:19
paulproteusBoy, 8am was a stretch.11:19
paulproteusBut that was a nice call.11:19
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paulproteusnathany, Morning.  My stopped being able to hear just as you began to talk about the International plugin.11:20
nathanymorning11:20
paulproteus(And then it came back after Ahrash had started.)11:20
nathany:)11:20
nathanyi was just stating that the current "launch" process is insane and ugly and more than anything else (from a CCi perspective) cc.license will help correct that11:21
paulproteusCool.11:21
paulproteusRight, I did hear the "one day -> half day" statement.11:21
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nathanypaulproteus: wow, a blogging tool written with scheme, backed by git11:22
nathanyhttp://wingolog.org/software/tekuti/11:22
paulproteusAww geez.11:22
paulproteusasheesh.org is backed by svn, but I could use git instead.11:23
paulproteusSometimes I think I should.11:23
paulproteusYay!  This sounds very reasonable.11:23
paulproteus"2. Install mod_lisp"!?  Awesome!11:23
nathanywhy?11:23
nathany(should you use git instead)11:23
paulproteusOffline commits, you know.11:24
nathanyah11:24
paulproteusGet tekuti11:24
paulproteusTekuti is only distributed from bzr.11:24
paulproteusThat's interesting.11:24
nathanylol11:24
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rejonwrd up11:34
Bovinityyo11:38
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nathanypaulproteus: heard anything from Sam?11:45
nathany(wanted to double check before emailing him)11:45
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paulproteusnathany, Nope.11:49
nathanyok, thanks11:49
paulproteusnathany,  #gsoc with me?11:51
paulproteusnathany, That was a good time.12:07
nathanyyup12:07
nathanythanks for noticing that reply from lh12:07
paulproteusYou know me, I love reading email.12:09
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paulproteusGod damn it, I hate you Gracenote.12:11
paulproteusFirst you ruined CDDB.12:11
paulproteusThen you sold it to Sony!? http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/04/23/1155259.shtml12:12
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paulproteusHowdy pvh.12:17
pvhhi paul!12:17
pvhboy, am i glad to see you. :)12:17
pvhyou stole my WOAF in ID312:17
paulproteusWHOAF!12:18
pvhsongbird (as you might be aware) is all about the webbernets12:18
paulproteusIn fact, it's engineered by Webonauts!12:18
Bovinitythe intertubes?12:18
paulproteusThe Exonet.12:19
paulproteusnathany, pvh is a Songbirder.12:19
pvhso *we* were going to put the page where you got the music in that field12:19
pvhnathany: hello! we've been mailing, i think12:19
nathanyhey pvh12:20
paulproteuspvh, if a song has a WOAF already in it, whaddya do then?12:20
nathanypvh: doesn't sound like a bad idea, and often may be the place metadata is published about the track (inc. license information)12:20
nathany(well, yes, there is that)12:20
pvhnathany: indeed12:20
pvhnathany: i think that "the origin" and "where you might find licensing details" are not incompatible12:21
paulproteusI think that's quite seriously accurate.12:21
nathany+112:21
pvhbut that means we won't be storing a unique "copyright url" property12:21
pvhwhich, incidentally, we do have support for at the moment12:21
paulproteusWe could do something fruity with TCOP again.12:22
pvhit's an option12:22
paulproteusBut that seems sad.12:22
pvhi'm making a patch for taglib right now to try and make the API a bit more accessible12:22
paulproteusw00t12:22
nathanylet me go look @ the spec a second to remind myself of something12:22
pvhi'm poking around here too12:22
nathanyso WCOP should contain the license URL12:23
nathanyWOAF may contain the "web statement" URL -- the place where you can find more metadata12:23
nathany(including, perhaps, verification for the license)12:23
nathanyso if you discovered a license @ WOAF that didn't exist in WCOP, you could shove it in there for safe keeping12:23
nathany(or an extension could do that)12:24
nathanyTCOP... well, that's plain text, it sucks, probably not useful12:24
paulproteusSo the tragedy will be if Alice's song is published at Bob's website, and Alice has verification metadata but Songbird stores Bob's URL in WOAF.12:24
pvhnathany: okay, that sounds reasonable, but isn't what your wiki says12:24
nathanyhttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/MP312:24
nathanyyes it is :)12:24
nathany(isn't it?)12:24
pvhoh12:24
* pvh boggles12:24
paulproteusI share nathany's reading also.12:24
pvhin my defense, it's early12:24
nathanylol12:25
paulproteuspvh, I sympathize.12:25
pvhand i'm barely literate to begin with.12:25
pvhso!12:25
nathanyas a morning person who's also a geek, i realize i have an unfair advantage at this hour12:25
nathany;)12:25
pvhwe just store the URL? no plaintext description?12:25
nathanyso WCOP is definitely a URL12:25
pvhsigh12:26
pvhnathany: reading is fun!12:26
pvhi'll just slink back to my taglib now12:26
pvh:)12:26
nathanythe "right" thing (IMHO) to do is to look for the license "title" (probably dc:title) @ the license URI for display purposes12:26
nathanylol12:26
nathanyok12:26
nathanywe embed that as RDFa which could be scraped12:26
pvhi think i was a bit thrown off by the Ogg one i read first, which only contains the URL12:27
paulproteusWhat, RDFa could be scrapped!?12:27
* paulproteus ducks12:27
pvhwould you like "LICENSEURL" for Ogg/APE?12:27
nathanyi almost always prefer URLs (URIs) to plain text -- if nothing else for localization... we can publishing "alt" versions of the license @ the primary URL which can be traversed to find the localized title12:28
nathany(semweb, baby!)12:28
pvhnathany: i want both, dammit12:31
nathanywell i don't *object* to both :)12:31
nathanyjust saying if i had to choose between them...12:32
nathanyFYI, wrt MP3, it's probably reasonable to look for the license URL in WCOP and once you've determined the license name "cache" it in TCOP12:32
pvhhaving said that, can we update the Ogg spec to include that metadata?12:32
nathanythe CC ogg spec?12:32
pvhyea12:32
nathanysure12:33
pvhshould i make myself an account and do it, or would you like to?12:33
nathanyerr, what information? (now it's my turn to be illiterate12:33
nathanywhy don't you go ahead if you don't mind12:33
pvhhttp://wiki.creativecommons.org/Ogg12:33
pvhso that it mirrors ID3 structure12:33
nathanysince you're actually working with Ogg these days (and i've done very little)12:33
nathanydoesn't it already?12:34
pvhand has LICENSE which is human readable and LICENSEURL which is the license URL12:34
nathanyah12:34
pvhright now it just has a TCOP style LICENSE12:34
nathanyah, right12:34
nathanygot it12:34
paulproteusLICENSETEXT?12:34
nathanyyes, please update if you don't mind12:34
paulproteusOh, TCOP style LICENSE?  Geez.12:34
pvhpaulproteus: not consistent12:34
pvhnathany: sure thing12:34
paulproteuspvh, Yes, ignore my "LICENSETEXT" I hadn't read fully what had been said.12:34
nathany(it's really just my secret plan to get more outside contributors into the wiki ;) )12:34
paulproteusnathany, I'm replying to Ankit's mail.12:39
nathanypaulproteus: uh, ok12:39
nathany(haven't seen it yet)12:39
paulproteusJust asserting a lock in case you were about to.12:39
* nathany breaks locks12:40
* paulproteus corrupts mbox mail files12:40
* nathany asserts the superiority of maildir12:42
* paulproteus reminds that Maildir + IMAP actually still needs locks!12:42
nathanylol12:42
paulproteusOh, DJB.12:42
* paulproteus shakes his head and sighs.12:43
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pvhnathany: how do i edit this thing?12:47
paulproteusSign in, and then edit?12:47
nathanyhave you confirmed your email address?12:47
paulproteusMaybe you have to have a confirmed email address first.12:47
nathanyyou have to click through the link in the confirmation email before we allow editing12:47
pvhnathany: Yeah, I was off playing with OpenID for a while there. I only have an "Edit with form".12:47
nathanyoh12:47
nathanyright, that's what you want12:47
pvhnathany: which gives me "Error: No form page was found at Filetype."12:47
paulproteusOh, are OpenID users categorically blocked from editing?12:47
nathanyack12:47
nathanyno, paulproteus12:47
* paulproteus sets up a bunch of fake OpenID domains and goes back to spamming the wiki.12:48
nathanypvh: uh, ok, bug in the semantic forms stuff... give me a second to remember what the fix is12:48
pvhThe irony of course is that it's easier for me to implement this in taglib than it is to edit the wiki page.12:48
paulproteusnathany, re: "the fix" - http://groups.google.com/group/semantic-forms/browse_thread/thread/1082a45dab5ab2a312:49
nathanypvh: try it now12:49
pvhi'm in12:49
* nathany realizes that our default window size in "edit with form" sucks12:49
pvhhar, it's locked.12:50
paulproteus"Edit With Form" ignores MW permissions and always shows up.12:50
paulproteusWhereas "edit" is aware of MW permissions.12:50
paulproteusErgo you may see "Edit with form" even if you can't save.12:50
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nathanyFUCK12:52
paulproteusnathany, /me mails semantic forms's list about that now.12:52
nathanypaulproteus: thanks12:53
nathanypvh: you're using openid?12:53
pvhyea12:53
pvhi could just make a real account12:53
paulproteusnathany, I stand by my suggestion that OpenIDers can never edit.12:53
paulproteusI see no reason to doubt it yet.12:53
nathanywell that would totally suck12:53
paulproteusIt wasn't totally unfounded, unlike some of my other suggestions.12:53
nathanypvh can you either a)email me what you think the page should say and i'll edit (and fix the openid problem asyncronously) or b)create a new account?12:54
pvhpaulproteus: so you trust openiders to be who we say they are, but not as much as people who invent themselves a new identity for your wiki?12:54
nathanyi have no preference as to which approach you take12:54
pvhnathany: i'm going to let you edit the wiki12:54
nathanyok12:54
paulproteuspvh, Let me rephrase.  I believe we should make OpenID users log in and edit, but I also believe that's broken right now.12:54
pvhnathany: LICENSE ~= TCOP, LICENSEURL ~= WOAR12:54
paulproteusDue I believe to requiring email confirmations.12:55
pvhah12:55
nathanynkinkade: can you figure out if people who use openid can really edit (ie, how they get into the email confirmed group)?12:55
nathany^^ this is for the public wiki12:55
nathanythanks, pvh12:55
pvhnathany: APE will be the same12:55
paulproteusFWIW, in the grim future of humanity, there will be OpenID-enabled spam bots.12:55
nathanyi trust skynet will protect us ;)12:55
pvhpaulproteus: wow, i had the best image from that12:56
Bovinityi want skynet to be my openid provider, i don't trust the others to not shut down and leave me hanging.12:56
paulproteuspvh, Anything related to http://onastick.net/sitz/images/ perchance?12:56
pvhof an openID emblazoned tinned-meat-gunning killing machine12:56
nkinkadenathany: I'll look into it, re: openid.12:56
pvhnice12:56
pvhpaulproteus: that's pretty much it without the pseudomeat12:56
paulproteusI want to do some serious research into wiki spam, and do some data gathering and create a statistics-based antispam engine, but I haven't found the time.12:56
nathanypaulproteus: do you just keep those around waiting for an opportunity to use them?12:57
paulproteusSome of these are just always with me.12:57
paulproteusHave you seen _A Beautiful Mind_?12:57
nathanythe movie? yes12:57
paulproteusIt's like when he says the people he schizophrenically hallucinates don't go away, he just learns to deal with them.12:57
pvhhah12:57
nathanyheh12:58
pvhianloic tells me you guys are in the neighborhood12:58
paulproteusYeah, we're a block and a half away.12:59
pvhwe should grab some lunch some time soon12:59
pvhperhaps tomorrow? we can discuss this magical extension you want to build12:59
paulproteusOops, I'm in LA until Monday.12:59
paulproteusP.S. We'd rather not build it and have you guys just implement all the functionality.12:59
pvhWe'll compromise13:00
pvhI'll give you the data fields, and the serialization.13:00
pvhYou do the eye candy and the scraping.13:00
nathany:)13:00
pvhpaulproteus: i'll be back in Canada on monday13:01
paulproteusI'm looking forward to checking out the LA burrito scene, but my friend here has had zero burritos since getting here nearly a year ago.13:01
paulproteuspvh, D'oh.13:01
pvheh?13:01
nathanypvh: you and i can grab lunch if you want13:01
pvhsounds good13:01
pvhi'll drag ian along13:01
pvhi already made plans for today. tomorrow good?13:01
nathanyi won't have all the great imagery paulproteus would bring, but i'll try13:01
nathanysure13:01
pvhhaha13:01
* paulproteus sniffles13:01
nathanynoon-ish?13:01
pvhsounds delicious13:02
pvhand by that i mean yes13:02
paulproteusIsn't tomorrow the All Joi, All The Time day?13:02
nathanyoh, fuck13:02
nathanyright13:02
pvhanother time then13:02
paulproteusWe should just all go to Canada and eat in B.C.13:02
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nathanyhey, i was just in canada last week :)13:02
pvhwas it snowing?13:02
nathanynope13:03
pvhit was when i left, the stupid country13:03
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Bovinitynkinkade: are you gonna copy over those cclearn feature articles, or do you want me to do it?13:10
nkinkadeBovinity:  I can do it, but have you already done any work on the thing in terms of MagpieRSS, or shall I look into that as well?13:12
Bovinitythe revised index page is up on learn-staging13:12
Bovinityi'll give it an alternate feed for now, to make sure it does work as expected..13:12
Bovinityum13:13
Bovinityhm13:13
rejonyah BC is cool...good food13:16
rejonnot going to LGM bov... :(13:16
rejonI pulled the plug13:16
Bovinityshame13:16
rejontoo much intercontinental ish13:17
rejonthe strains it places on marriage ;)13:17
rejonI helped raise the money for it...that is enough13:18
Bovinityyeah13:19
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pvhrejon: SF has some pretty good food as well13:23
rejon...13:26
rejon;)13:26
rejonok, night all13:26
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nkinkadeI just accidentally stumbled upon a command I didn't know existed ... $ arch13:28
Bovinitysee also machine(1)13:29
nkinkadeOne of these days I'm going to sit down and do this ... $ ls /usr/bin | xargs man13:31
pvhnkinkade: obviously you don't have enough to do13:34
pvh:)13:34
nkinkadeAnd I suspect that nathany_mtg might have something to say about my doing that, at least during the work week. :)13:37
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nathanylol... reading man pages? ugh13:38
nkinkade$ ls /usr/bin | wc -l13:39
nkinkade235913:39
nkinkadeI might need a whole week to really absorb it all.13:39
Bovinityoh ffs.13:42
Bovinitynkinkade: did wordpress always trim its rss feed output? i thought we had it set to full entry...13:43
nkinkadeAs far as I know Magpie RSS has always summarized posts, at least in the way we are using it, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were an option to set this ??13:44
Bovinityit's not magpie doing it.. if you go to the actual rss feed, all the posts are clipped13:44
nathanypvh: is there a place where the OGG metadata fields are documented we can link to?13:46
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nkinkadeBovinity: I guess you already saw this setting "For each article in a feed, show" ... and "Full Text" is one of the options.??13:58
Bovinityyeah13:58
pvhnathany: yeah, just a moment13:59
nathany pvh: np, thanks13:59
pvhhttp://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisComment13:59
pvhnathany: you may want to link back to the CC page from there13:59
nathanycool, thanks13:59
Bovinitynkinkade: oh, i see what's going on. should be using the <content> field instead of <description>. I fail at RSS today.14:00
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nkinkadepvh, nathany: I just verified that editing the CC wiki does work with OpenID.14:21
pvhnkinkade: nice, thanks14:21
nkinkadepvh:  Were you having a problem with it?14:21
pvhi was having problems, but i couldn't say whether they were technical or personal14:22
nkinkade:)14:23
nkinkadeI can't say that my tests were universal or even 100% conclusive, but I created a new OpenID URL at http://myopenid.com, one that I was sure our wiki had no knowledge of, then I use it to login to the wiki.  However, I didn't have to go to "My preferences" and click on "Confirm your e-mail address" near the bottom of the preferences box.14:24
nkinkadeSorry, I meant to say that I *did* have to click "Confirm your e-mail address"14:25
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mecredispaulproteus: nathany you guys upgrade to a nwere SMW?15:52
mecrediserr, newer15:52
nathanynot yet15:52
mecredisok15:52
mecredistrying to get the RAP integration working and it just borked on me15:52
mecredis:(15:52
paulproteusnathany, So Herder fails all three tests with errors.15:52
paulproteusWeird errors I don't really understand.15:52
paulproteusSomething about not being able to find the .body of a request?15:53
nathanythat is weird15:53
nathanyyou'll have to do without me momentarily; i'm busy breaking teamspace15:53
paulproteusnathany, Okay, keep at it.15:53
paulproteusKeep up the good work!15:54
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Bovinitynkinkade: i'm going to go ahead and transfer over these cclearn posts, editing to fit the context where needed.16:01
nkinkadeBovinity: Sounds good.  Thanks.16:01
paulproteusmecredis, Oh, I see your SMW list post now.16:07
paulproteusI guess I'll hold off from installing RAP quite yet!16:07
mecredisyeah, I got all excited16:07
paulproteusOh wtf bbq, it's the RDF API for PHP?16:07
mecredisbut when you get an error like that it tempers it16:07
paulproteusI thought it would be something I wanted to use!16:08
mecredishaha16:08
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mecrediswell what's nice is you can implement a SPARQL query interface relatively easily after you get that owrking16:08
paulproteusHey now ankitg!16:09
paulproteusnathany, When you get back from breaking the wiki lemme know please.16:19
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nathanybtw, paulproteus or mecredis -- either of you know if you have a comma delimited field in semantic forms if the correct form for a single value is:16:20
nathanya16:20
nathanyor16:20
nathanya,16:20
nathany?16:20
mecredisI think it'd be a, right?16:20
mecredisthis question seems so obvious I'm probably misunderstanding it16:21
paulproteusnathany, "a" should be okay.16:21
paulproteus"a," I'd fear a little.16:21
nathanyok, that's what i thought (at least that "a" should be ok)16:21
nathanymecredis -- with "a," the question is, when you split on "," does anything exist after the comma?16:22
nathany(yes, i know it sounds existential)16:22
paulproteus(What about "a, "?)16:22
mecredisah16:22
mecredisI think I get it16:22
nathanyof course, i guess this is why i'm making a backup, right?16:22
mecredisbut then what is to distinguish between a b c and a wolf, a bear,16:22
mecredisetc?16:22
nathanyok, here we go again16:22
paulproteusIf you were serious about backups, you'd just fork the wiki and write code that tries all the possible variations.16:23
paulproteusAnd the one that works you'd keep.16:23
nathanyif only the wiki were git ;)16:23
* paulproteus goes through a Pylons tutorial...16:25
nkinkadeBovinity: Can you hold off on activating your changes to the learn site until we get feedback on the email I just sent (you were copied)?16:26
nathanypaulproteus: ok, i think teamspace is breaking itself now16:29
nathanywhat's up16:29
paulproteusWell, you run Herder's tests.16:30
paulproteusDoes the first one fail with a weird .body failure?16:30
paulproteusHint: rm herder.db first.16:30
nathanyone sec, pulling sub modules16:31
nathany(and doing a buildout)16:33
nathanypaulproteus: i'd love to tell you but i'm cursing my toolchain right now16:38
nathanywhy am i getting authkit 0.4?16:38
nathanywtf16:38
nathanyoh, did you push the changes you manually merged (that i had pushed to svn?)16:40
nathanypaulproteus: ^^16:40
paulproteusnathany, Good question.16:41
nathanywell i'm actually going to assert the answer is no :)16:41
paulproteusHeh.16:41
paulproteusLemme check.16:41
paulproteusnathany, I just pushed16:42
nathanyyeah, i just merged them manually, too :)16:42
nathanyone sec16:42
paulproteusEek! (-:16:42
nathanywell i didn't commit/push yet16:42
nathanyso no problem16:42
nathanyrunning tests now16:43
nathanyso all 3 fail16:43
nathanythe first gives a 40416:43
paulproteusRight, but "fail"or "error"?16:43
nathanythe last is that god-damned UCS4 problem16:44
paulproteusFor me the first one gives an error involving .body.16:44
nathanyerror16:44
paulproteusUh, UCS4 problem?16:44
nathanyyou can build Python with 2 or 4 byte unicode support16:44
paulproteusOh, awesome.16:44
nathanyit would be if Debian didn't do the opposite of the default16:44
paulproteusHah, nice.16:44
nathanyyeah16:44
nathanyif you ever see  undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_FromEncodedObject16:45
nathanythat's the problem16:45
nathany(or something similar to that)16:45
nathanyanyway16:45
paulproteusOh, yay, 'course I've seen that.16:45
paulproteusBTW, you seem a little swearier than usual this week.16:45
nathanyreally16:45
nathanyheh16:45
nathanyfuck god damn it ;)16:45
nathanyso this is what i get for the first one:16:46
nathanyAppError: Bad response: 404 NOT FOUND (not 200 OK or 3xx redirect for /auth)16:46
nathanylooks like the test code is in test_index, line 616:46
nathany response = self.app.get(url_for(controller='auth'))16:46
paulproteusOh, I see, I'm confused because I'm looking in the debugger.16:47
nathanyah16:47
nathanyit probably complains when it tries to access .body (since it returned 404)16:47
paulproteusThis is why I said testing a web app would be more painful.16:47
nathany:)16:47
paulproteusSince you can't really look into the function calls.16:47
paulproteusNow maybe that's not true with WSGI.16:47
nathanyi'm trying to remember... seem to recall there being some sort of instrumentation layer you could use, but can't remember if that was wsgi, zdaemon or zopectl, so probably not worth casting a net that wide to try and find it16:48
* paulproteus nods16:48
* nathany forgot how long pywikipedia bots can take to run16:49
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paulproteusnathany, I have no idea how to write a test that can pass.16:55
paulproteusMaybe you can write one, just one.16:55
paulproteusI'm going to afk for 30m or so.16:55
nathanyok16:55
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paulproteus(rehi)17:32
mecredishah, paulproteus, nathany17:33
mecredishttp://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries17:33
mecredisSMW crashed, perhaps because of the bug17:33
mecredisI was talking about17:33
nathanylol17:33
paulproteusYay!17:33
nathanypaulproteus: i have a single test for you, working on a second, slightly (although not much) more meaningful one17:33
paulproteusHooray!17:34
paulproteusI'm all for failing tests, I just want to see how to write a non-failing one.17:34
paulproteusFor now I'll go back to that Pylons tutorial actually...17:34
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coskundhi17:38
mecredispaulproteus: I don't suppose you have time for a SMW question17:42
paulproteusMaybe, what's up?17:42
mecredisis there a way to force a default category on new pages17:43
mecredishttp://www.causecaller.com/wiki/Demo_Cause17:43
mecredisyou see how "Fakery" is a tag?17:43
paulproteusYou can link to the form-filling-in link.17:43
mecredisyeah, but I don't need forms17:43
paulproteusInteresting.17:43
mecredisI just want {{Tag}} to be inside those new pages17:44
nathanypaulproteus: pull17:44
paulproteusThat's less a SMW question and more a general MW question then.17:44
mecredisyeah17:44
mecredisindeed17:44
coskundcc plssssssssssssssssssssssss17:44
paulproteusnathany, pulled pork17:44
mecredisI'll ask in the page17:44
mecrediserr, #mediawiki17:44
nathanymecredis: you can always have a form that references a template with no fields :)17:44
Bovinitycoskund: you win at learning!17:44
mecredisI was thinking that17:44
mecredissuch hackery17:45
mecredishahah17:45
paulproteuslol, Bovinity!17:45
mecrediscoskund: looking for credit cards?17:45
nathanythe FBI can help! ask me how!17:45
Bovinityhe chooses to ignore when we direct him to the FBI17:45
* mecredis feels like coskund is some kind of IRC turing test17:45
nathanylol17:45
nathanypaulproteus: i have to run and get the dog at the groomer... email questions (and perhaps objections?) regarding the test to me17:46
* mecredis feels for groomed dogs17:46
nathanylol17:46
Bovinitypuppy manicure?17:46
paulproteusnathany, Sounds good.17:46
nathanyit's once a year whether she needs it or not ;)17:46
nathanypuppy spa17:46
mecredishaha17:46
mecredisforced vacation17:46
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mecredispaulproteus: check this out18:31
mecredishttp://www.votesmart.org/index.htm18:31
paulproteusClassy, ".htm"!18:31
mecredisyeah18:32
mecredisbut pretty much a well funded version of my thesis18:32
mecredisthey have all the state level phone #s18:32
mecrediswhich is pretty cool18:32
mecredisand an API18:32
mecredisbut its NOT A WIKI18:32
mecredishaha18:32
paulproteusMake 'em sory!18:33
mecredisyeah18:33
paulproteusMake 'em spel!18:33
paulproteusMake 'em obsolete!18:33
paulproteusOutcompete 'em with the wisdom of crowds!18:33
paulproteusI'm only half-joking.18:33
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mecredisSMW FTW18:37
* mecredis is out18:37
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paulproteusmecredis, ping?19:20
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Tritoniohello!19:53
Tritoniopaulproteus: got some time? :-)19:53
paulproteusTritonio, Yes!19:54
paulproteusBut truth be told, you should email that link to michelle at creativecommons.org.19:54
paulproteusSorry I didn't think of this before.19:54
paulproteusPlease cc: me (I'm asheesh at creativecommons.org).19:54
paulproteusAnd explain to her it's an improvement for the Greek translation.19:54
Tritoniook i will do in a minute. i made some notes explaining what changes I did. should I wait for you to check them and then send the email or should i send it immediatelly?19:57
paulproteusImmediately.19:57
paulproteusI'm irrelevant, and shouldn't be a bottleneck.19:57
Tritoniook. I will email it now. :-)19:57
paulproteusThanks for continuously bugging me. (-:19:59
Tritonio;-P20:00
Tritonioi'm sorry... :-)20:01
paulproteusNot at all!20:01
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Tritoniook i sent it20:20
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mecredispaulproteus: here I am23:05
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