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| rejon | tvol: I think we can use the preload feature of smw forms rather than make those big ass properties | 09:56 |
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| rejon | otherwise, I think we would have to shut off the factbox | 09:56 |
| tvol | rejon yah get's a bit long-winded otherwise | 09:57 |
| rejon | yah, trying it out | 09:57 |
| rejon | mass SMW pain in my brain | 10:04 |
| rejon | tvol: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:AddData/Case_Study/Test_this_out | 10:10 |
| rejon | better | 10:10 |
| rejon | so even if one saves the page, there is link to edit that section | 10:11 |
| rejon | how can we nuke those three properties | 10:13 |
| rejon | tvol: is that too confusing? | 10:19 |
| tvol | rejon: can check in a min...not enough hands | 10:20 |
| rejon | grow more! | 10:20 |
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| rejon | tvol: | 10:32 |
| rejon | what u think | 10:32 |
| tvol | rejon--looks good. as long as folks don't delete the code line, right? | 10:35 |
| tvol | otherwise looks cool | 10:35 |
| tvol | maybe say "Delete this line and add your text in its place." | 10:36 |
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| paulproteus | Hey all. | 11:08 |
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| tvol_ | paulproteus: Good morn | 11:19 |
| paulproteus | Boy, 8am was a stretch. | 11:19 |
| paulproteus | But that was a nice call. | 11:19 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Morning. My stopped being able to hear just as you began to talk about the International plugin. | 11:20 |
| nathany | morning | 11:20 |
| paulproteus | (And then it came back after Ahrash had started.) | 11:20 |
| nathany | :) | 11:20 |
| nathany | i was just stating that the current "launch" process is insane and ugly and more than anything else (from a CCi perspective) cc.license will help correct that | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | Cool. | 11:21 |
| paulproteus | Right, I did hear the "one day -> half day" statement. | 11:21 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: wow, a blogging tool written with scheme, backed by git | 11:22 |
| nathany | http://wingolog.org/software/tekuti/ | 11:22 |
| paulproteus | Aww geez. | 11:22 |
| paulproteus | asheesh.org is backed by svn, but I could use git instead. | 11:23 |
| paulproteus | Sometimes I think I should. | 11:23 |
| paulproteus | Yay! This sounds very reasonable. | 11:23 |
| paulproteus | "2. Install mod_lisp"!? Awesome! | 11:23 |
| nathany | why? | 11:23 |
| nathany | (should you use git instead) | 11:23 |
| paulproteus | Offline commits, you know. | 11:24 |
| nathany | ah | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | Get tekuti | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | Tekuti is only distributed from bzr. | 11:24 |
| paulproteus | That's interesting. | 11:24 |
| nathany | lol | 11:24 |
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| rejon | wrd up | 11:34 |
| Bovinity | yo | 11:38 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: heard anything from Sam? | 11:45 |
| nathany | (wanted to double check before emailing him) | 11:45 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Nope. | 11:49 |
| nathany | ok, thanks | 11:49 |
| paulproteus | nathany, #gsoc with me? | 11:51 |
| paulproteus | nathany, That was a good time. | 12:07 |
| nathany | yup | 12:07 |
| nathany | thanks for noticing that reply from lh | 12:07 |
| paulproteus | You know me, I love reading email. | 12:09 |
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| paulproteus | God damn it, I hate you Gracenote. | 12:11 |
| paulproteus | First you ruined CDDB. | 12:11 |
| paulproteus | Then you sold it to Sony!? http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/04/23/1155259.shtml | 12:12 |
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| paulproteus | Howdy pvh. | 12:17 |
| pvh | hi paul! | 12:17 |
| pvh | boy, am i glad to see you. :) | 12:17 |
| pvh | you stole my WOAF in ID3 | 12:17 |
| paulproteus | WHOAF! | 12:18 |
| pvh | songbird (as you might be aware) is all about the webbernets | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | In fact, it's engineered by Webonauts! | 12:18 |
| Bovinity | the intertubes? | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | The Exonet. | 12:19 |
| paulproteus | nathany, pvh is a Songbirder. | 12:19 |
| pvh | so *we* were going to put the page where you got the music in that field | 12:19 |
| pvh | nathany: hello! we've been mailing, i think | 12:19 |
| nathany | hey pvh | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | pvh, if a song has a WOAF already in it, whaddya do then? | 12:20 |
| nathany | pvh: doesn't sound like a bad idea, and often may be the place metadata is published about the track (inc. license information) | 12:20 |
| nathany | (well, yes, there is that) | 12:20 |
| pvh | nathany: indeed | 12:20 |
| pvh | nathany: i think that "the origin" and "where you might find licensing details" are not incompatible | 12:21 |
| paulproteus | I think that's quite seriously accurate. | 12:21 |
| nathany | +1 | 12:21 |
| pvh | but that means we won't be storing a unique "copyright url" property | 12:21 |
| pvh | which, incidentally, we do have support for at the moment | 12:21 |
| paulproteus | We could do something fruity with TCOP again. | 12:22 |
| pvh | it's an option | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | But that seems sad. | 12:22 |
| pvh | i'm making a patch for taglib right now to try and make the API a bit more accessible | 12:22 |
| paulproteus | w00t | 12:22 |
| nathany | let me go look @ the spec a second to remind myself of something | 12:22 |
| pvh | i'm poking around here too | 12:22 |
| nathany | so WCOP should contain the license URL | 12:23 |
| nathany | WOAF may contain the "web statement" URL -- the place where you can find more metadata | 12:23 |
| nathany | (including, perhaps, verification for the license) | 12:23 |
| nathany | so if you discovered a license @ WOAF that didn't exist in WCOP, you could shove it in there for safe keeping | 12:23 |
| nathany | (or an extension could do that) | 12:24 |
| nathany | TCOP... well, that's plain text, it sucks, probably not useful | 12:24 |
| paulproteus | So the tragedy will be if Alice's song is published at Bob's website, and Alice has verification metadata but Songbird stores Bob's URL in WOAF. | 12:24 |
| pvh | nathany: okay, that sounds reasonable, but isn't what your wiki says | 12:24 |
| nathany | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/MP3 | 12:24 |
| nathany | yes it is :) | 12:24 |
| nathany | (isn't it?) | 12:24 |
| pvh | oh | 12:24 |
| * pvh boggles | 12:24 | |
| paulproteus | I share nathany's reading also. | 12:24 |
| pvh | in my defense, it's early | 12:24 |
| nathany | lol | 12:25 |
| paulproteus | pvh, I sympathize. | 12:25 |
| pvh | and i'm barely literate to begin with. | 12:25 |
| pvh | so! | 12:25 |
| nathany | as a morning person who's also a geek, i realize i have an unfair advantage at this hour | 12:25 |
| nathany | ;) | 12:25 |
| pvh | we just store the URL? no plaintext description? | 12:25 |
| nathany | so WCOP is definitely a URL | 12:25 |
| pvh | sigh | 12:26 |
| pvh | nathany: reading is fun! | 12:26 |
| pvh | i'll just slink back to my taglib now | 12:26 |
| pvh | :) | 12:26 |
| nathany | the "right" thing (IMHO) to do is to look for the license "title" (probably dc:title) @ the license URI for display purposes | 12:26 |
| nathany | lol | 12:26 |
| nathany | ok | 12:26 |
| nathany | we embed that as RDFa which could be scraped | 12:26 |
| pvh | i think i was a bit thrown off by the Ogg one i read first, which only contains the URL | 12:27 |
| paulproteus | What, RDFa could be scrapped!? | 12:27 |
| * paulproteus ducks | 12:27 | |
| pvh | would you like "LICENSEURL" for Ogg/APE? | 12:27 |
| nathany | i almost always prefer URLs (URIs) to plain text -- if nothing else for localization... we can publishing "alt" versions of the license @ the primary URL which can be traversed to find the localized title | 12:28 |
| nathany | (semweb, baby!) | 12:28 |
| pvh | nathany: i want both, dammit | 12:31 |
| nathany | well i don't *object* to both :) | 12:31 |
| nathany | just saying if i had to choose between them... | 12:32 |
| nathany | FYI, wrt MP3, it's probably reasonable to look for the license URL in WCOP and once you've determined the license name "cache" it in TCOP | 12:32 |
| pvh | having said that, can we update the Ogg spec to include that metadata? | 12:32 |
| nathany | the CC ogg spec? | 12:32 |
| pvh | yea | 12:32 |
| nathany | sure | 12:33 |
| pvh | should i make myself an account and do it, or would you like to? | 12:33 |
| nathany | err, what information? (now it's my turn to be illiterate | 12:33 |
| nathany | why don't you go ahead if you don't mind | 12:33 |
| pvh | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Ogg | 12:33 |
| pvh | so that it mirrors ID3 structure | 12:33 |
| nathany | since you're actually working with Ogg these days (and i've done very little) | 12:33 |
| nathany | doesn't it already? | 12:34 |
| pvh | and has LICENSE which is human readable and LICENSEURL which is the license URL | 12:34 |
| nathany | ah | 12:34 |
| pvh | right now it just has a TCOP style LICENSE | 12:34 |
| nathany | ah, right | 12:34 |
| nathany | got it | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | LICENSETEXT? | 12:34 |
| nathany | yes, please update if you don't mind | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | Oh, TCOP style LICENSE? Geez. | 12:34 |
| pvh | paulproteus: not consistent | 12:34 |
| pvh | nathany: sure thing | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | pvh, Yes, ignore my "LICENSETEXT" I hadn't read fully what had been said. | 12:34 |
| nathany | (it's really just my secret plan to get more outside contributors into the wiki ;) ) | 12:34 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I'm replying to Ankit's mail. | 12:39 |
| nathany | paulproteus: uh, ok | 12:39 |
| nathany | (haven't seen it yet) | 12:39 |
| paulproteus | Just asserting a lock in case you were about to. | 12:39 |
| * nathany breaks locks | 12:40 | |
| * paulproteus corrupts mbox mail files | 12:40 | |
| * nathany asserts the superiority of maildir | 12:42 | |
| * paulproteus reminds that Maildir + IMAP actually still needs locks! | 12:42 | |
| nathany | lol | 12:42 |
| paulproteus | Oh, DJB. | 12:42 |
| * paulproteus shakes his head and sighs. | 12:43 | |
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| pvh | nathany: how do i edit this thing? | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | Sign in, and then edit? | 12:47 |
| nathany | have you confirmed your email address? | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | Maybe you have to have a confirmed email address first. | 12:47 |
| nathany | you have to click through the link in the confirmation email before we allow editing | 12:47 |
| pvh | nathany: Yeah, I was off playing with OpenID for a while there. I only have an "Edit with form". | 12:47 |
| nathany | oh | 12:47 |
| nathany | right, that's what you want | 12:47 |
| pvh | nathany: which gives me "Error: No form page was found at Filetype." | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | Oh, are OpenID users categorically blocked from editing? | 12:47 |
| nathany | ack | 12:47 |
| nathany | no, paulproteus | 12:47 |
| * paulproteus sets up a bunch of fake OpenID domains and goes back to spamming the wiki. | 12:48 | |
| nathany | pvh: uh, ok, bug in the semantic forms stuff... give me a second to remember what the fix is | 12:48 |
| pvh | The irony of course is that it's easier for me to implement this in taglib than it is to edit the wiki page. | 12:48 |
| paulproteus | nathany, re: "the fix" - http://groups.google.com/group/semantic-forms/browse_thread/thread/1082a45dab5ab2a3 | 12:49 |
| nathany | pvh: try it now | 12:49 |
| pvh | i'm in | 12:49 |
| * nathany realizes that our default window size in "edit with form" sucks | 12:49 | |
| pvh | har, it's locked. | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | "Edit With Form" ignores MW permissions and always shows up. | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | Whereas "edit" is aware of MW permissions. | 12:50 |
| paulproteus | Ergo you may see "Edit with form" even if you can't save. | 12:50 |
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| nathany | FUCK | 12:52 |
| paulproteus | nathany, /me mails semantic forms's list about that now. | 12:52 |
| nathany | paulproteus: thanks | 12:53 |
| nathany | pvh: you're using openid? | 12:53 |
| pvh | yea | 12:53 |
| pvh | i could just make a real account | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I stand by my suggestion that OpenIDers can never edit. | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | I see no reason to doubt it yet. | 12:53 |
| nathany | well that would totally suck | 12:53 |
| paulproteus | It wasn't totally unfounded, unlike some of my other suggestions. | 12:53 |
| nathany | pvh can you either a)email me what you think the page should say and i'll edit (and fix the openid problem asyncronously) or b)create a new account? | 12:54 |
| pvh | paulproteus: so you trust openiders to be who we say they are, but not as much as people who invent themselves a new identity for your wiki? | 12:54 |
| nathany | i have no preference as to which approach you take | 12:54 |
| pvh | nathany: i'm going to let you edit the wiki | 12:54 |
| nathany | ok | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | pvh, Let me rephrase. I believe we should make OpenID users log in and edit, but I also believe that's broken right now. | 12:54 |
| pvh | nathany: LICENSE ~= TCOP, LICENSEURL ~= WOAR | 12:54 |
| paulproteus | Due I believe to requiring email confirmations. | 12:55 |
| pvh | ah | 12:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade: can you figure out if people who use openid can really edit (ie, how they get into the email confirmed group)? | 12:55 |
| nathany | ^^ this is for the public wiki | 12:55 |
| nathany | thanks, pvh | 12:55 |
| pvh | nathany: APE will be the same | 12:55 |
| paulproteus | FWIW, in the grim future of humanity, there will be OpenID-enabled spam bots. | 12:55 |
| nathany | i trust skynet will protect us ;) | 12:55 |
| pvh | paulproteus: wow, i had the best image from that | 12:56 |
| Bovinity | i want skynet to be my openid provider, i don't trust the others to not shut down and leave me hanging. | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | pvh, Anything related to http://onastick.net/sitz/images/ perchance? | 12:56 |
| pvh | of an openID emblazoned tinned-meat-gunning killing machine | 12:56 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll look into it, re: openid. | 12:56 |
| pvh | nice | 12:56 |
| pvh | paulproteus: that's pretty much it without the pseudomeat | 12:56 |
| paulproteus | I want to do some serious research into wiki spam, and do some data gathering and create a statistics-based antispam engine, but I haven't found the time. | 12:56 |
| nathany | paulproteus: do you just keep those around waiting for an opportunity to use them? | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | Some of these are just always with me. | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | Have you seen _A Beautiful Mind_? | 12:57 |
| nathany | the movie? yes | 12:57 |
| paulproteus | It's like when he says the people he schizophrenically hallucinates don't go away, he just learns to deal with them. | 12:57 |
| pvh | hah | 12:57 |
| nathany | heh | 12:58 |
| pvh | ianloic tells me you guys are in the neighborhood | 12:58 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, we're a block and a half away. | 12:59 |
| pvh | we should grab some lunch some time soon | 12:59 |
| pvh | perhaps tomorrow? we can discuss this magical extension you want to build | 12:59 |
| paulproteus | Oops, I'm in LA until Monday. | 12:59 |
| paulproteus | P.S. We'd rather not build it and have you guys just implement all the functionality. | 12:59 |
| pvh | We'll compromise | 13:00 |
| pvh | I'll give you the data fields, and the serialization. | 13:00 |
| pvh | You do the eye candy and the scraping. | 13:00 |
| nathany | :) | 13:00 |
| pvh | paulproteus: i'll be back in Canada on monday | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | I'm looking forward to checking out the LA burrito scene, but my friend here has had zero burritos since getting here nearly a year ago. | 13:01 |
| paulproteus | pvh, D'oh. | 13:01 |
| pvh | eh? | 13:01 |
| nathany | pvh: you and i can grab lunch if you want | 13:01 |
| pvh | sounds good | 13:01 |
| pvh | i'll drag ian along | 13:01 |
| pvh | i already made plans for today. tomorrow good? | 13:01 |
| nathany | i won't have all the great imagery paulproteus would bring, but i'll try | 13:01 |
| nathany | sure | 13:01 |
| pvh | haha | 13:01 |
| * paulproteus sniffles | 13:01 | |
| nathany | noon-ish? | 13:01 |
| pvh | sounds delicious | 13:02 |
| pvh | and by that i mean yes | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | Isn't tomorrow the All Joi, All The Time day? | 13:02 |
| nathany | oh, fuck | 13:02 |
| nathany | right | 13:02 |
| pvh | another time then | 13:02 |
| paulproteus | We should just all go to Canada and eat in B.C. | 13:02 |
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| nathany | hey, i was just in canada last week :) | 13:02 |
| pvh | was it snowing? | 13:02 |
| nathany | nope | 13:03 |
| pvh | it was when i left, the stupid country | 13:03 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: are you gonna copy over those cclearn feature articles, or do you want me to do it? | 13:10 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: I can do it, but have you already done any work on the thing in terms of MagpieRSS, or shall I look into that as well? | 13:12 |
| Bovinity | the revised index page is up on learn-staging | 13:12 |
| Bovinity | i'll give it an alternate feed for now, to make sure it does work as expected.. | 13:12 |
| Bovinity | um | 13:13 |
| Bovinity | hm | 13:13 |
| rejon | yah BC is cool...good food | 13:16 |
| rejon | not going to LGM bov... :( | 13:16 |
| rejon | I pulled the plug | 13:16 |
| Bovinity | shame | 13:16 |
| rejon | too much intercontinental ish | 13:17 |
| rejon | the strains it places on marriage ;) | 13:17 |
| rejon | I helped raise the money for it...that is enough | 13:18 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 13:19 |
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| pvh | rejon: SF has some pretty good food as well | 13:23 |
| rejon | ... | 13:26 |
| rejon | ;) | 13:26 |
| rejon | ok, night all | 13:26 |
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| nkinkade | I just accidentally stumbled upon a command I didn't know existed ... $ arch | 13:28 |
| Bovinity | see also machine(1) | 13:29 |
| nkinkade | One of these days I'm going to sit down and do this ... $ ls /usr/bin | xargs man | 13:31 |
| pvh | nkinkade: obviously you don't have enough to do | 13:34 |
| pvh | :) | 13:34 |
| nkinkade | And I suspect that nathany_mtg might have something to say about my doing that, at least during the work week. :) | 13:37 |
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| nathany | lol... reading man pages? ugh | 13:38 |
| nkinkade | $ ls /usr/bin | wc -l | 13:39 |
| nkinkade | 2359 | 13:39 |
| nkinkade | I might need a whole week to really absorb it all. | 13:39 |
| Bovinity | oh ffs. | 13:42 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: did wordpress always trim its rss feed output? i thought we had it set to full entry... | 13:43 |
| nkinkade | As far as I know Magpie RSS has always summarized posts, at least in the way we are using it, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were an option to set this ?? | 13:44 |
| Bovinity | it's not magpie doing it.. if you go to the actual rss feed, all the posts are clipped | 13:44 |
| nathany | pvh: is there a place where the OGG metadata fields are documented we can link to? | 13:46 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: I guess you already saw this setting "For each article in a feed, show" ... and "Full Text" is one of the options.?? | 13:58 |
| Bovinity | yeah | 13:58 |
| pvh | nathany: yeah, just a moment | 13:59 |
| nathany | pvh: np, thanks | 13:59 |
| pvh | http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisComment | 13:59 |
| pvh | nathany: you may want to link back to the CC page from there | 13:59 |
| nathany | cool, thanks | 13:59 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: oh, i see what's going on. should be using the <content> field instead of <description>. I fail at RSS today. | 14:00 |
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| nkinkade | pvh, nathany: I just verified that editing the CC wiki does work with OpenID. | 14:21 |
| pvh | nkinkade: nice, thanks | 14:21 |
| nkinkade | pvh: Were you having a problem with it? | 14:21 |
| pvh | i was having problems, but i couldn't say whether they were technical or personal | 14:22 |
| nkinkade | :) | 14:23 |
| nkinkade | I can't say that my tests were universal or even 100% conclusive, but I created a new OpenID URL at http://myopenid.com, one that I was sure our wiki had no knowledge of, then I use it to login to the wiki. However, I didn't have to go to "My preferences" and click on "Confirm your e-mail address" near the bottom of the preferences box. | 14:24 |
| nkinkade | Sorry, I meant to say that I *did* have to click "Confirm your e-mail address" | 14:25 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: nathany you guys upgrade to a nwere SMW? | 15:52 |
| mecredis | err, newer | 15:52 |
| nathany | not yet | 15:52 |
| mecredis | ok | 15:52 |
| mecredis | trying to get the RAP integration working and it just borked on me | 15:52 |
| mecredis | :( | 15:52 |
| paulproteus | nathany, So Herder fails all three tests with errors. | 15:52 |
| paulproteus | Weird errors I don't really understand. | 15:52 |
| paulproteus | Something about not being able to find the .body of a request? | 15:53 |
| nathany | that is weird | 15:53 |
| nathany | you'll have to do without me momentarily; i'm busy breaking teamspace | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Okay, keep at it. | 15:53 |
| paulproteus | Keep up the good work! | 15:54 |
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| Bovinity | nkinkade: i'm going to go ahead and transfer over these cclearn posts, editing to fit the context where needed. | 16:01 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Sounds good. Thanks. | 16:01 |
| paulproteus | mecredis, Oh, I see your SMW list post now. | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | I guess I'll hold off from installing RAP quite yet! | 16:07 |
| mecredis | yeah, I got all excited | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | Oh wtf bbq, it's the RDF API for PHP? | 16:07 |
| mecredis | but when you get an error like that it tempers it | 16:07 |
| paulproteus | I thought it would be something I wanted to use! | 16:08 |
| mecredis | haha | 16:08 |
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| mecredis | well what's nice is you can implement a SPARQL query interface relatively easily after you get that owrking | 16:08 |
| paulproteus | Hey now ankitg! | 16:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, When you get back from breaking the wiki lemme know please. | 16:19 |
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| nathany | btw, paulproteus or mecredis -- either of you know if you have a comma delimited field in semantic forms if the correct form for a single value is: | 16:20 |
| nathany | a | 16:20 |
| nathany | or | 16:20 |
| nathany | a, | 16:20 |
| nathany | ? | 16:20 |
| mecredis | I think it'd be a, right? | 16:20 |
| mecredis | this question seems so obvious I'm probably misunderstanding it | 16:21 |
| paulproteus | nathany, "a" should be okay. | 16:21 |
| paulproteus | "a," I'd fear a little. | 16:21 |
| nathany | ok, that's what i thought (at least that "a" should be ok) | 16:21 |
| nathany | mecredis -- with "a," the question is, when you split on "," does anything exist after the comma? | 16:22 |
| nathany | (yes, i know it sounds existential) | 16:22 |
| paulproteus | (What about "a, "?) | 16:22 |
| mecredis | ah | 16:22 |
| mecredis | I think I get it | 16:22 |
| nathany | of course, i guess this is why i'm making a backup, right? | 16:22 |
| mecredis | but then what is to distinguish between a b c and a wolf, a bear, | 16:22 |
| mecredis | etc? | 16:22 |
| nathany | ok, here we go again | 16:22 |
| paulproteus | If you were serious about backups, you'd just fork the wiki and write code that tries all the possible variations. | 16:23 |
| paulproteus | And the one that works you'd keep. | 16:23 |
| nathany | if only the wiki were git ;) | 16:23 |
| * paulproteus goes through a Pylons tutorial... | 16:25 | |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Can you hold off on activating your changes to the learn site until we get feedback on the email I just sent (you were copied)? | 16:26 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ok, i think teamspace is breaking itself now | 16:29 |
| nathany | what's up | 16:29 |
| paulproteus | Well, you run Herder's tests. | 16:30 |
| paulproteus | Does the first one fail with a weird .body failure? | 16:30 |
| paulproteus | Hint: rm herder.db first. | 16:30 |
| nathany | one sec, pulling sub modules | 16:31 |
| nathany | (and doing a buildout) | 16:33 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i'd love to tell you but i'm cursing my toolchain right now | 16:38 |
| nathany | why am i getting authkit 0.4? | 16:38 |
| nathany | wtf | 16:38 |
| nathany | oh, did you push the changes you manually merged (that i had pushed to svn?) | 16:40 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ^^ | 16:40 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Good question. | 16:41 |
| nathany | well i'm actually going to assert the answer is no :) | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | Lemme check. | 16:41 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I just pushed | 16:42 |
| nathany | yeah, i just merged them manually, too :) | 16:42 |
| nathany | one sec | 16:42 |
| paulproteus | Eek! (-: | 16:42 |
| nathany | well i didn't commit/push yet | 16:42 |
| nathany | so no problem | 16:42 |
| nathany | running tests now | 16:43 |
| nathany | so all 3 fail | 16:43 |
| nathany | the first gives a 404 | 16:43 |
| paulproteus | Right, but "fail"or "error"? | 16:43 |
| nathany | the last is that god-damned UCS4 problem | 16:44 |
| paulproteus | For me the first one gives an error involving .body. | 16:44 |
| nathany | error | 16:44 |
| paulproteus | Uh, UCS4 problem? | 16:44 |
| nathany | you can build Python with 2 or 4 byte unicode support | 16:44 |
| paulproteus | Oh, awesome. | 16:44 |
| nathany | it would be if Debian didn't do the opposite of the default | 16:44 |
| paulproteus | Hah, nice. | 16:44 |
| nathany | yeah | 16:44 |
| nathany | if you ever see undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_FromEncodedObject | 16:45 |
| nathany | that's the problem | 16:45 |
| nathany | (or something similar to that) | 16:45 |
| nathany | anyway | 16:45 |
| paulproteus | Oh, yay, 'course I've seen that. | 16:45 |
| paulproteus | BTW, you seem a little swearier than usual this week. | 16:45 |
| nathany | really | 16:45 |
| nathany | heh | 16:45 |
| nathany | fuck god damn it ;) | 16:45 |
| nathany | so this is what i get for the first one: | 16:46 |
| nathany | AppError: Bad response: 404 NOT FOUND (not 200 OK or 3xx redirect for /auth) | 16:46 |
| nathany | looks like the test code is in test_index, line 6 | 16:46 |
| nathany | response = self.app.get(url_for(controller='auth')) | 16:46 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I see, I'm confused because I'm looking in the debugger. | 16:47 |
| nathany | ah | 16:47 |
| nathany | it probably complains when it tries to access .body (since it returned 404) | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | This is why I said testing a web app would be more painful. | 16:47 |
| nathany | :) | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | Since you can't really look into the function calls. | 16:47 |
| paulproteus | Now maybe that's not true with WSGI. | 16:47 |
| nathany | i'm trying to remember... seem to recall there being some sort of instrumentation layer you could use, but can't remember if that was wsgi, zdaemon or zopectl, so probably not worth casting a net that wide to try and find it | 16:48 |
| * paulproteus nods | 16:48 | |
| * nathany forgot how long pywikipedia bots can take to run | 16:49 | |
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| paulproteus | nathany, I have no idea how to write a test that can pass. | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | Maybe you can write one, just one. | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | I'm going to afk for 30m or so. | 16:55 |
| nathany | ok | 16:55 |
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| paulproteus | (rehi) | 17:32 |
| mecredis | hah, paulproteus, nathany | 17:33 |
| mecredis | http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries | 17:33 |
| mecredis | SMW crashed, perhaps because of the bug | 17:33 |
| mecredis | I was talking about | 17:33 |
| nathany | lol | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | Yay! | 17:33 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i have a single test for you, working on a second, slightly (although not much) more meaningful one | 17:33 |
| paulproteus | Hooray! | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | I'm all for failing tests, I just want to see how to write a non-failing one. | 17:34 |
| paulproteus | For now I'll go back to that Pylons tutorial actually... | 17:34 |
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| coskund | hi | 17:38 |
| mecredis | paulproteus: I don't suppose you have time for a SMW question | 17:42 |
| paulproteus | Maybe, what's up? | 17:42 |
| mecredis | is there a way to force a default category on new pages | 17:43 |
| mecredis | http://www.causecaller.com/wiki/Demo_Cause | 17:43 |
| mecredis | you see how "Fakery" is a tag? | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | You can link to the form-filling-in link. | 17:43 |
| mecredis | yeah, but I don't need forms | 17:43 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. | 17:43 |
| mecredis | I just want {{Tag}} to be inside those new pages | 17:44 |
| nathany | paulproteus: pull | 17:44 |
| paulproteus | That's less a SMW question and more a general MW question then. | 17:44 |
| mecredis | yeah | 17:44 |
| mecredis | indeed | 17:44 |
| coskund | cc plssssssssssssssssssssssss | 17:44 |
| paulproteus | nathany, pulled pork | 17:44 |
| mecredis | I'll ask in the page | 17:44 |
| mecredis | err, #mediawiki | 17:44 |
| nathany | mecredis: you can always have a form that references a template with no fields :) | 17:44 |
| Bovinity | coskund: you win at learning! | 17:44 |
| mecredis | I was thinking that | 17:44 |
| mecredis | such hackery | 17:45 |
| mecredis | hahah | 17:45 |
| paulproteus | lol, Bovinity! | 17:45 |
| mecredis | coskund: looking for credit cards? | 17:45 |
| nathany | the FBI can help! ask me how! | 17:45 |
| Bovinity | he chooses to ignore when we direct him to the FBI | 17:45 |
| * mecredis feels like coskund is some kind of IRC turing test | 17:45 | |
| nathany | lol | 17:45 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i have to run and get the dog at the groomer... email questions (and perhaps objections?) regarding the test to me | 17:46 |
| * mecredis feels for groomed dogs | 17:46 | |
| nathany | lol | 17:46 |
| Bovinity | puppy manicure? | 17:46 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Sounds good. | 17:46 |
| nathany | it's once a year whether she needs it or not ;) | 17:46 |
| nathany | puppy spa | 17:46 |
| mecredis | haha | 17:46 |
| mecredis | forced vacation | 17:46 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: check this out | 18:31 |
| mecredis | http://www.votesmart.org/index.htm | 18:31 |
| paulproteus | Classy, ".htm"! | 18:31 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:32 |
| mecredis | but pretty much a well funded version of my thesis | 18:32 |
| mecredis | they have all the state level phone #s | 18:32 |
| mecredis | which is pretty cool | 18:32 |
| mecredis | and an API | 18:32 |
| mecredis | but its NOT A WIKI | 18:32 |
| mecredis | haha | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | Make 'em sory! | 18:33 |
| mecredis | yeah | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Make 'em spel! | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Make 'em obsolete! | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Outcompete 'em with the wisdom of crowds! | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | I'm only half-joking. | 18:33 |
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| mecredis | SMW FTW | 18:37 |
| * mecredis is out | 18:37 | |
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| paulproteus | mecredis, ping? | 19:20 |
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| Tritonio | hello! | 19:53 |
| Tritonio | paulproteus: got some time? :-) | 19:53 |
| paulproteus | Tritonio, Yes! | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | But truth be told, you should email that link to michelle at creativecommons.org. | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | Sorry I didn't think of this before. | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | Please cc: me (I'm asheesh at creativecommons.org). | 19:54 |
| paulproteus | And explain to her it's an improvement for the Greek translation. | 19:54 |
| Tritonio | ok i will do in a minute. i made some notes explaining what changes I did. should I wait for you to check them and then send the email or should i send it immediatelly? | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | Immediately. | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | I'm irrelevant, and shouldn't be a bottleneck. | 19:57 |
| Tritonio | ok. I will email it now. :-) | 19:57 |
| paulproteus | Thanks for continuously bugging me. (-: | 19:59 |
| Tritonio | ;-P | 20:00 |
| Tritonio | i'm sorry... :-) | 20:01 |
| paulproteus | Not at all! | 20:01 |
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| Tritonio | ok i sent it | 20:20 |
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| mecredis | paulproteus: here I am | 23:05 |
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