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| Mihai`` | hello | 12:25 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: Are you here by chance? | 13:09 |
| nkinkade | I thought not. | 13:09 |
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| rohitj | i sent bluehost the complete list of the cc songs I had, with link to the source page and link to license | 15:19 |
| rohitj | they still are not ready to listen | 15:19 |
| rohitj | I called them, and they said they will not allow any type of copyrighted material on their server | 15:19 |
| bheekling | rohitj, whom did you speak to? | 15:19 |
| rohitj | whosoever was on phone | 15:20 |
| bheekling | rohitj, ask to speak to someone higher up | 15:20 |
| rohitj | yeah, I should have asked for manager or someone | 15:20 |
| Bovinity | rohitj: "any type of copyrighted material"? so what *can* you put on their servers? | 15:21 |
| Bovinity | everything has to be public domain? | 15:21 |
| rohitj | Bovinity: surprisingly this is what they said. | 15:21 |
| bheekling | So, basically, unless you *own* the copyright, you can't put anything on their servers | 15:22 |
| rohitj | and if they ask you have to give them a proof that you own the copyright | 15:23 |
| bheekling | So, basically, everyone using their servers is violating their ToS | 15:23 |
| rohitj | I wonder how I prove that I made a file | 15:23 |
| bheekling | You can't | 15:23 |
| rohitj | there ToS doesn't say that | 15:23 |
| rohitj | there ToS *doesn't* say that | 15:23 |
| rohitj | *their | 15:23 |
| rohitj | though their ToS gives them complete permission to whatever they want to do | 15:24 |
| bheekling | rohitj, that's standard in almost every ToS | 15:24 |
| bheekling | You will find better luck with a person higher-up | 15:24 |
| conley | higher up where? in bluehost? | 15:25 |
| conley | Since rohit is indian, could he call the BBB? | 15:25 |
| conley | or would he not be able to? | 15:25 |
| conley | or rather, in india | 15:26 |
| rohitj | conley: BBB? | 15:26 |
| conley | Better Business Bureau | 15:26 |
| rohitj | conley: I think bheekling meant higher up in bluehost | 15:26 |
| rohitj | I do not know about BBB, | 15:27 |
| conley | but how are you going to get higher up in bluehost | 15:27 |
| conley | BBB is a US org that resolves conflicts between businesses and consumers | 15:27 |
| conley | I'm not sure if they'd help someone in India using a US business | 15:27 |
| rohitj | by higher he meant that I should call bluehost again and should ask them to let me talk to someone at higher level | 15:28 |
| conley | yea, I know | 15:28 |
| rohitj | hmm, they probably wouldn't | 15:28 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: Do you recall ever having made any mods to anything in skins/common on the wiki? | 16:04 |
| Bovinity | no | 16:05 |
| Bovinity | i've never made any mods to that | 16:05 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Did you ever make any changes to skins/common on the wiki, by chance? | 16:05 |
| nathany | recently? | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | I just did an upgrade and we've got some conflicts but they are almost all in skins/common | 16:06 |
| nathany | oh | 16:06 |
| nathany | hrm | 16:06 |
| nathany | no, nothing i can think of | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | Some pretty substantial changes. | 16:06 |
| Bovinity | theirry perhaps? | 16:06 |
| nathany | could be | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps, Thierry did them, but there are no comments. | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | <bad comma after perhaps> | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | I'm tempted to review them manually and unless something is obvious to just leave them out ... that is let the file be as MediaWiki wants it to be, if we notice reduced functionality, then I can review them further. | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | Sound reasonable? | 16:08 |
| nathany | sounds fine with me | 16:08 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 16:08 |
| nkinkade | Oh, and I'm moving them to 1.12.0, if you were wondering. | 16:08 |
| nathany | ok | 16:08 |
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| rohitj | can you guys suggest a good web host? a host who doesn't look into my files without getting any notice. A host who will not pull down my site without even getting getting any notice from any authority. | 17:33 |
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| Bovinity | dreamhost | 17:49 |
| rohitj | Bovinity: you sure? | 17:50 |
| rohitj | dont want to feel pissed off again :| | 17:51 |
| Bovinity | they have good customer support, and i've been using them for years with no hassle | 17:55 |
| Bovinity | they occasionally have performance issues, but ntohing major recently | 17:55 |
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| rohitj | I am no more concerned about performance, its all about that I shouldnt be kicked if I keep cc music on my site | 17:57 |
| rohitj | or any other thing which i can illegally keep | 17:58 |
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| Bovinity | yeah, they won't do that | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | rohitj: For what it's worth, I too have a Dreamhost account. I have been pretty happy with it overall, but like Bovinity said, sometimes it's pretty slow. I think they hugely overload their shared-hosting servers. But, hey, for $9.95/mo you can't ask for much more. | 18:15 |
| nkinkade | I was also nicely surprised to see that with that account you even get 1 free domain name registration. Not much, but at least worth $10 - $20 | 18:16 |
| nkinkade | The account is essentially a shell account, so I can do everything via SSH like I'm used to. | 18:17 |
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| Bovinity | they used to be really bad at overselling, but they've stopped doing it so much now | 18:21 |
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| rohitj | kewl | 18:38 |
| rohitj | i shall be considering dreamhost .... one thing that attracts me is that i can jabber on it as well :) | 18:38 |
| rohitj | *can run | 18:38 |
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