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| srinath | hello gentlemen's,I AM new to this google summer of code.what kind of proposals can i do.please help me | 07:31 |
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| srinath | i know it's late.I just freed of myself to involve in this from my many ongoing college projects | 07:32 |
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| timebomb | hello i saw you guys are listed in the gsoc organization | 07:48 |
| timebomb | but i dont see any proposals does that mean one could propose any software project then licensed with cc? | 07:49 |
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| rohitj | timebomb: there are some prosopals. | 08:15 |
| timebomb | hmm | 08:17 |
| timebomb | ah yeah was looking at the wrong place sorry | 08:17 |
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| Tritonio_ | hello everybody. | 09:55 |
| Tritonio_ | I just want to mention that the Greek translation of the human readable form of the license has many serious mistakes. How can I help? | 09:56 |
| Tritonio_ | anyway i have to go. | 10:20 |
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| SkaveRat | hi there. is there a generator for CCL-buttons like this one? http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by/3.0/88x31.png | 11:16 |
| nathany | SkaveRat: generator? to create new buttons? | 11:16 |
| SkaveRat | yea | 11:16 |
| nathany | not that i'm aware of... our graphic designer built those | 11:16 |
| SkaveRat | hmm. well, you see them all over the place, that's why I ask. A generator, or a button fitting to a specific version of the CCL would be nice | 11:18 |
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| SkaveRat | so you can put that on your page, instead of a link | 11:18 |
| nathany | well when you select a license at http://creativecommons.org/license the generated HTML includes a link to the appropriate button... | 11:19 |
| nathany | maybe i'm not understanding the question? | 11:19 |
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| SkaveRat | ah, nvm. last time I generated a licence, they were blocked by AdBlock | 11:25 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, ping? | 12:19 |
| nathany | paulproteus: pong | 12:19 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I think I'm going to take the day off today. There's nothing drastically urgent that should make me reconsider that, is there? | 12:19 |
| nathany | no | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | (Other than our stand-up, which maybe we can do tomorrow?) | 12:20 |
| nathany | right | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | Great. (-: | 12:20 |
| nathany | see you tomorrow :) | 12:20 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 12:20 |
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| Bovinity | nathany: curry? | 14:27 |
| nathany | Bovinity: ++ | 14:27 |
| nathany | just have to stop @ the liquor store and get cash | 14:27 |
| Bovinity | kk | 14:27 |
| montagg | A cool use of CC I discovered recently: the Hipster PDA (hPDA). A guy at DIYPlanner.com designed a hundred free productivity forms that you can print on 3x5 cards to make yourself a little analog "PDA" notebook. He licensed them BY-NC-ND; unfortunate, but he seems to want to be aware of any modifications people make. | 14:39 |
| montagg | Link to hPDA article: http://www.diyplanner.com/templates/official/hpda | 14:39 |
| montagg | Recently made one up for myself, and it's actually pretty cool. | 14:41 |
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| Matson | So I'd like an automated way to turn license URLS into human readable text | 15:33 |
| Matson | When one of my users puts into the "license_url" field a string that starts with " http://creativecommons.org/licenses/" | 15:34 |
| Matson | I'd like to scrape / get the correct string so mapping | 15:34 |
| Matson | http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/ to the string -> | 15:35 |
| Matson | "Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States" | 15:35 |
| Matson | I'm looking at scraping from the page the "dc:title" property | 15:37 |
| Matson | but I recall there was some license library Nathan mentioned | 15:37 |
| paulproteus | rdfadict ? | 15:38 |
| paulproteus | Also, there's the API. | 15:38 |
| nathany | Matson: You should be able to use any RDFa parser to get the dc:title out in a reliable way | 15:38 |
| nathany | rdfadict | 15:38 |
| nathany | librdfa | 15:38 |
| nathany | the latter is probably more up to date these days, but either should work | 15:38 |
| nathany | i'd suggest doing it with rdfa instead of the API -- the former [potentially] works with non-CC licenses if publishers mark them up | 15:38 |
| * paulproteus goes back into hiding. | 15:39 | |
| nathany | (that wasn't intended as anything negative towards you, paulproteus, just sayin'... ;) ) | 15:39 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:39 |
| Matson | so by "to get the dc:title out" - meaning go to the URL, pull te source, and parse out to get the text | 15:40 |
| nathany | more accurately: | 15:40 |
| nathany | "use an rdfa parser to parse the URL and ask it for the dc:title" | 15:41 |
| nathany | i wouldn't bother parsing it yourself | 15:41 |
| nathany | (but that's just me) | 15:41 |
| Matson | on an semi-related topic - what is "dc:"? | 15:41 |
| nathany | Dublin Core | 15:41 |
| nathany | (a set of standard metadata elements) | 15:41 |
| nathany | the namespace is declared in the header so you'll need to pull it out by the fully qualified URL | 15:42 |
| nathany | http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/title | 15:42 |
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| davidmccabe | I have a question about the proposed RDFa support for Semantic MediaWiki: | 16:15 |
| davidmccabe | Is the idea primarily about marking up <a> tags with rel and rev according to the labelled links available in SMW? Or is it primarily about the CC license data? Both? Something else? | 16:15 |
| Matson | Is there an image that represents generic CC license without specifying which one? | 16:17 |
| davidmccabe | Actually I think I am beginning to understand this. | 16:25 |
| davidmccabe | This project appeared to make perfect sense until I dug into it a bit :) | 16:25 |
| nathany | davidmccabe: yes, that's basically it | 16:32 |
| nathany | it'll be mostly rel in the case of SMW, since 99% of what it does is forward relationship | 16:32 |
| nathany | s | 16:32 |
| nathany | note that it could also be marking up <span>s with "property" in the case of non-URL/non-Page attributes | 16:33 |
| davidmccabe | Right. | 16:33 |
| nathany | Matson: I don't think we've been had a generic CC license button that matches the current style since we went to 3.0 | 16:33 |
| nathany | see http://creativecommons.org/presskit for some options | 16:33 |
| davidmccabe | nathany: I have finally been able to find some good SMW-generated RDF to study; that alone took a while. | 16:34 |
| nathany | ah, yeah | 16:34 |
| davidmccabe | So the idea is to take that data and express it in the XHTML tags as we go. | 16:34 |
| nathany | davidmccabe: are you thinking about proposing this for SoC? | 16:34 |
| davidmccabe | nathany: yes. | 16:34 |
| nathany | great | 16:34 |
| nathany | yeah, we want to annotate the output that SMW normally generates to include the RDFa | 16:34 |
| davidmccabe | Sounds great. | 16:35 |
| davidmccabe | Should be pretty easy, too. | 16:35 |
| nathany | ie, see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Flickr for an example of a page that would have several SMW-enabled properties | 16:35 |
| nathany | davidmccabe: hopefully :) | 16:35 |
| davidmccabe | nathany: Wrangling mediawiki is never as easy as it should be though. | 16:35 |
| nathany | and that's why i say "hopefully" :) | 16:35 |
| nathany | ideally someone doing this for SoC would also work with the SMW community to get the patches into their tree | 16:36 |
| davidmccabe | SMW is purely an extension, right? | 16:36 |
| nathany | yes | 16:36 |
| nathany | but sort of a big one | 16:36 |
| davidmccabe | I think a hook or two might be needed in the core, but those are generally easy to get in. | 16:36 |
| nathany | yeah... | 16:37 |
| davidmccabe | So, there are properties that are part of Dublin Core, CC, SWIVT, etc., but it looks like the interesting properties generated from [::] links are just bare names taken directly from the wikitext. | 16:38 |
| davidmccabe | Correct? | 16:38 |
| nathany | right now all SMW properties live in the "namespace" of the wiki | 16:40 |
| nathany | so http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Property:Title might be an example | 16:40 |
| davidmccabe | I see, so you have something like, for example from archiplanet.org, <!ENTITY wiki 'http://www.archiplanet.org/w/index.php/'> | 16:40 |
| nathany | another improvement would be coming up with an extension that let you do things like [[dc:title::Foo]] for pulling in externals properties, etc | 16:41 |
| nathany | er, not sure what you mean by the ENTITY definition, davidmccabe | 16:41 |
| davidmccabe | nathany: That's apparently what SMW spits out. | 16:41 |
| davidmccabe | I'm looking at an RDF file from that (randomly chosen) site. | 16:42 |
| nathany | oh, interesting | 16:42 |
| nathany | can you put that in a pastebin somewhere so i can see what you're looking at? | 16:42 |
| davidmccabe | Interestingly, this one doesn't use the wiki namespace, but uses smw. | 16:42 |
| davidmccabe | http://pastie.textmate.org/private/omwleclac0s6c4ulasbbg | 16:42 |
| nathany | oh, interesting | 16:44 |
| nathany | it defines the namespaces (ie, xmlns:attribute) using the entity | 16:44 |
| nathany | so things like attribute:Building_name | 16:44 |
| nathany | map to &attribute;Building_name | 16:44 |
| nathany | which resolves to http://www.archiplanet.org/w/index.php/_Attribute-3ABuilding_name | 16:45 |
| davidmccabe | I'm looking at cc:Flickr now. it's a bit different. | 16:45 |
| davidmccabe | maybe they're using an older version of SMW. | 16:45 |
| nathany | note that this looks like an older version of SMW -- current releases don't have Relations and Attributes -- only Properties | 16:45 |
| nathany | right | 16:45 |
| nathany | for example, the := syntax has been deprecated | 16:46 |
| davidmccabe | I have to say that a good SOC project might be improving semantic-mediawiki.org. | 16:46 |
| nathany | heh | 16:46 |
| nathany | true | 16:46 |
| davidmccabe | brb, switching networks. | 16:47 |
| nathany | ok | 16:52 |
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| mecredis | yes, semantic-media.org leaves a lot to be desired | 16:59 |
| davidmccabe_ | nathany: Did my question make it through about things other than properties? (I switched from wifi to ethernet) | 17:01 |
| nathany | i don't think it made it | 17:01 |
| davidmccabe_ | nathany: are there things we'll want to mark up with RDFa that aren't [::] property-things? | 17:01 |
| davidmccabe_ | I missed anything you said since "heh; true" | 17:01 |
| nathany | perhaps... page title, last edited, etc are likely candidates, but that seems like more of a skin level thing, right? | 17:02 |
| nathany | did you have something in mind? | 17:02 |
| davidmccabe_ | Those things could indeed be done easily in the skin. | 17:02 |
| davidmccabe_ | I was just asking. | 17:02 |
| nathany | i think getting it to work for SMW defined metadata would be a huge first step | 17:03 |
| davidmccabe_ | k | 17:03 |
| nathany | note that doing it in the factbox would also be desirable, since we something include annotations and then hide them (ie, [[Has Type:String| ]]) | 17:03 |
| davidmccabe_ | Ok, but that's the easy part. | 17:03 |
| nathany | ok :) | 17:04 |
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| davidmccabe_ | nathany: so would the following tag be what is wanted, or is additional namespace or such information needed? | 17:21 |
| davidmccabe_ | <span property="Is Complete" content="false">Is Complete: no</span> | 17:21 |
| nathany | davidmccabe_: more information needed... | 17:21 |
| nathany | probably something like: | 17:21 |
| nathany | <span property="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Property:Is Complete" content="false">Is Complete: no</span> | 17:22 |
| davidmccabe_ | gotcha | 17:22 |
| nathany | er, actually <span property="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Property:Is_Complete" content="false">Is Complete: no</span> | 17:22 |
| nathany | since it maps " " to "_" | 17:22 |
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| davidmccabe_ | And then for links you would have <a href="/Image" property="Format" resource="http://.../Image">Image</a> | 17:31 |
| davidmccabe_ | ? | 17:31 |
| davidmccabe_ | er | 17:31 |
| davidmccabe_ | s/Format/http:\/\/...\/Property:Format/ | 17:31 |
| paulproteus | s|format|http://.../Property:Format| is also acceptable and more readable. | 17:32 |
| davidmccabe_ | ah yes, thank you. | 17:33 |
| davidmccabe_ | <a href="/Image" property="http://.../Format" resource="http://.../Image">Image</a> in any case. | 17:33 |
| nathany | yes | 17:34 |
| davidmccabe_ | k | 17:34 |
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| davidmccabe_ | nathany: would we use rel, then? as in | 17:42 |
| davidmccabe_ | <a href="/Image" rel="http://.../Property:Format">Image</a> | 17:42 |
| nathany | davidmccabe_: yes; the thing to look at is the property type | 17:43 |
| nathany | if it's page or URL, use rel | 17:43 |
| davidmccabe_ | So do SWIVT and OWL come into this at all? | 17:47 |
| nathany | davidmccabe_: probably not at this point | 17:48 |
| davidmccabe_ | k | 17:48 |
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| davidmccabe_ | nathany: Alright, I think I have my head around this now. Thanks so much for your help. | 17:58 |
| nathany | davidmccabe_: no problem; looking forward to seeing your application | 17:58 |
| davidmccabe_ | Expect it within the hour. :) | 18:00 |
| paulproteus | nathany, How many slots have we? | 18:04 |
| nathany | paulproteus: we don't know until they're assigned | 18:04 |
| nathany | in the past we've had 4 to 6 | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | Ah, I see. | 18:04 |
| paulproteus | That's a pretty healthy size. | 18:04 |
| nathany | paulproteus: yeah... i doubt we'll be begging for more spots | 18:08 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: where is the spot to upload an Ogg video that I'm about to put on support.(cc).org? | 18:15 |
| nkinkade | I see some are on mirrors and some are on the CC site and some seem to be uploaded to support.(cc).org. | 18:15 |
| Bovinity | the oggs should be on mirrors/www/movingpictures | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | i think | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | (movingpictures was pre-existing) | 18:21 |
| Bovinity | (i wasn't being a smartarse when i set it up) | 18:21 |
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| Matson | hi ... | 23:56 |
| Matson | what is 64.34.161.33 | 23:56 |
| Matson | and why is it hitting development pages on a staging server that I have not released yet? | 23:56 |
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| Matson | Wierd | 23:57 |
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