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| tsarin | Hi Nathan - you on? | 11:49 |
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| nathany | hi tsarin | 11:49 |
| tsarin | Jonathan Dugan here | 11:49 |
| nathany | how's it goin? | 11:50 |
| tsarin | reading over the BEP | 11:50 |
| tsarin | good | 11:50 |
| paulproteus | I'd love to give it a look too - link? | 11:50 |
| nathany | yeah, it's super rough so any feedback/questions are welcome | 11:50 |
| nathany | paulproteus: sent via email | 11:51 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Super rad. | 11:51 |
| nathany | tsarin: are we expecting anyone else for our little checkin? | 11:51 |
| tsarin | I told folks in a few different irc rooms | 11:51 |
| nathany | ok | 11:51 |
| tsarin | and sent 3 emails | 11:51 |
| nathany | i think we said 10, right? | 11:52 |
| tsarin | no one seemed all that excited yet to join | 11:52 |
| tsarin | yeah | 11:52 |
| nathany | eh, ok | 11:52 |
| tsarin | I just wanted to ask if there was a simple description of the "web statement" | 11:52 |
| tsarin | reading http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Web_Statement ... I'm still confused | 11:52 |
| nathany | good question | 11:52 |
| paulproteus | There's a comic that explains it. | 11:52 |
| nathany | :) | 11:52 |
| nathany | we probably need a sentence, though | 11:53 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Embedded_Metadata | 11:53 |
| paulproteus | nathany, off-site images are broken again? | 11:53 |
| nathany | paulproteus: no idea | 11:53 |
| paulproteus | I'm looking at http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Embedded_Metadata you see. | 11:53 |
| nathany | i'll look @ the XMP documentation and see what it describes it as | 11:53 |
| nathany | paulproteus: ok, so if they don't show up, likely broken :) nkinkade? | 11:54 |
| tsarin | "Anita would insert the URL to that webpage" - which webpage, her page for the song or the license page | 11:55 |
| nathany | her page | 11:56 |
| tsarin | yup, got it.. later in same paragraph | 11:56 |
| nathany | XMP describes it as "The location of a web page describing the owner | 11:56 |
| nathany | and/or rights statement for this resource." | 11:56 |
| tsarin | so the web_statement is the page controlled by the content creator | 11:56 |
| nathany | yes | 11:56 |
| paulproteus | BTW, Gimp_ is also around for this very conversation. | 11:57 |
| tsarin | describing how they have licenced the work, and probably also pointing to the license url | 11:57 |
| nathany | yes | 11:57 |
| nathany | and possibly including embedded metadata that could be used to verify the license statemetn | 11:57 |
| nathany | statement | 11:57 |
| paulproteus | nathany, BTW, for multi-file torrents, what do you do about the SHA1? | 11:58 |
| tsarin | metadata that describes specific actions possible under the license? | 11:58 |
| paulproteus | P.S. I hope that if you answer my question in the BEP you put my name on it. | 11:58 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: you specify metadata about each file | 11:58 |
| nathany | just different assertions | 11:59 |
| paulproteus | Interesting; maybe I'll patch your BEP to make that clearer. | 11:59 |
| nathany | maybe just send edits instead of patches? i'm already mucking with it in response to tsarin's questions | 11:59 |
| paulproteus | Okay. | 12:00 |
| tsarin | So to clarify - we're talking about these two fields (license and web_statement) for each file in the torrent or for the whole torrent? | 12:00 |
| paulproteus | Probably for the whole torrent. | 12:00 |
| nathany | whole torrent | 12:01 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Let me get some clothes on, and I'll get right back to you. | 12:01 |
| nathany | looking at the existing metadata it seemed that multi-file torrent stuff was semi-bolted on... not great facilities for doing more than listing the files | 12:01 |
| tsarin | ? | 12:01 |
| tsarin | correct | 12:01 |
| tsarin | whole torrent makes more sense given the torrent format | 12:02 |
| tsarin | one thought | 12:02 |
| nathany | cool, glad you agree with my snap judgement :) | 12:02 |
| nathany | yes | 12:02 |
| tsarin | we really want people to put the *url* to the license and the *url* to the web statement | 12:02 |
| nathany | are you asking or stating | 12:03 |
| tsarin | so would it make sense to call the keys license_url | 12:03 |
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| tsarin | half and half | 12:03 |
| nathany | ah | 12:03 |
| tsarin | and web_statement_url | 12:03 |
| nathany | yes, i think we absolutely want URLs; otherwise you can't do more than display them | 12:03 |
| nathany | (ie, if its free text, you'll never be able to reliably get more details about the license for search filtering) | 12:03 |
| nathany | but good suggestion; i'll update the BEP | 12:04 |
| tsarin | is there any standard or accepted norm for turning a license url into a string for a license? Like perhaps the <title>...</title> on the URL? | 12:04 |
| paulproteus | tsarin, The license URL page has some RDFa embedded that is the right way to do that. | 12:05 |
| nathany | yeah, that's the right way | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | That sort of thing can safely be cached by BitTorrent clients also. | 12:05 |
| tsarin | The client will not want to display http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ | 12:05 |
| nathany | title works for our licenses, but not necessarily other providers | 12:05 |
| tsarin | rather they want to display Creative Commons | 12:05 |
| tsarin | Attribution 3.0 Unported | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Sshhh, don't even mention the title idea. | 12:05 |
| paulproteus | Let's stick to RDFa here if we can. (-: | 12:06 |
| nathany | absolutely, but people are lazy and retarded | 12:06 |
| tsarin | Well, we should add how cc does it in the BEP | 12:06 |
| nathany | ok, will do | 12:06 |
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| tsarin | I'm looking at the source for http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | Me, too. | 12:06 |
| paulproteus | <h2 property="dc:title">Attribution 3.0 Unported</h2> | 12:07 |
| paulproteus | Curiously, the string Creative Commons isn't actually in that, and doesn't seem to be in any RDFa on the page at all. nathany...? | 12:07 |
| tsarin | the rendered page is correct | 12:08 |
| nathany | tsarin: because the graphic contains the name above the title | 12:08 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: not at all curious; Creative Commons is the publisher of the license | 12:08 |
| hdworak | hello | 12:08 |
| nathany | so i suppose we could include assertions about that... just hasn't come up | 12:08 |
| nathany | hello hdworak | 12:09 |
| tsarin | hello | 12:09 |
| hdworak | :) | 12:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Yes, I think we should, and in a hurry. (-; | 12:09 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: when you say that offsite images are broken again, I take it you know the solution. | 12:09 |
| nathany | paulproteus: why a hurry? | 12:09 |
| paulproteus | Heh. | 12:09 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: there's a setting in the localsettings | 12:09 |
| paulproteus | nathany, So that this conversation can proceed as if it is there, and we can write the BEP with that RDFa in mind. | 12:10 |
| hdworak | I came across your GSOC2008 proposal entitled "Rewrite Metadata Validator" | 12:10 |
| nkinkade | Feel free to change it, or you can just tell me what it is and I'll do it right now. | 12:10 |
| tsarin | hdworak: are you here for the bittorrent BEP discussion on licenses? | 12:10 |
| hdworak | tsarin: no, I am not | 12:10 |
| nathany | hdworak: great, did you have questoins about the proposal? | 12:10 |
| hdworak | is this the right place to discuss the proposal? | 12:10 |
| nathany | absolutely | 12:10 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, I'd be happy to talk to you about the validator one the bittorrent discussion dies down, if you can wait a little. | 12:10 |
| hdworak | I believe nathany is the author of the current one | 12:10 |
| nathany | yup | 12:10 |
| hdworak | no problem for me | 12:10 |
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| nathany | tsarin: so it seems like paulproteus and i should circle around and add some more details about web statement and how we suggest clients process the URLs for display to the BEP | 12:11 |
| tsarin | ok, so for the client authors - it would be really helpful to have a simple description of how to use RDFa to translate the licence URL into a text string scraped from the page source | 12:11 |
| nathany | (display, etc) | 12:12 |
| nathany | sure | 12:12 |
| paulproteus | Sample Python code could be happily provided. | 12:12 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings - see $wgAllowExternalImages (should be false) and $wgAllowExternalImages (should whitelist www.cc and cc) | 12:12 |
| tsarin | paulproteus: sounds good - I'm not a client author, but I talk with them a lot | 12:12 |
| tsarin | I'm working on an indexing and discovery site | 12:13 |
| nathany | we can include references to a python and C implementation | 12:13 |
| tsarin | nathany: ok - good idea on round 2 for the BEP | 12:14 |
| paulproteus | Do you know much about if BEPs are preferred to be submitted with a reference implementation, or if they usually stand alone for discussion before implementations are wanted in the BitTorrent community? | 12:14 |
| tsarin | I don't know | 12:14 |
| nathany | paulproteus: a reference implementation of... ? a .torrent file? | 12:14 |
| tsarin | in this case, I'm not sure we really need any code | 12:14 |
| paulproteus | A reference implementation of a UI implementing the e.g. RDFa scraping and license displaying. | 12:14 |
| tsarin | I would say no | 12:15 |
| nathany | paulproteus: my instinct is to say no, add it if they ask | 12:15 |
| nathany | we have enough going on | 12:15 |
| paulproteus | nathany, We do in fact, good point. (-: | 12:15 |
| tsarin | keeping with KISS | 12:15 |
| nathany | right | 12:15 |
| nathany | so next steps... we'll revise the PEP and send it back to you, tsarin | 12:16 |
| tsarin | do you use Word or something that has track changes capability? | 12:16 |
| nathany | uh, fuck no | 12:16 |
| tsarin | sounds good | 12:16 |
| nathany | (wrt Word) | 12:16 |
| nathany | BEPs are RST, so just plain text | 12:16 |
| nathany | we can check it into source control | 12:16 |
| tsarin | ok, sounds good | 12:16 |
| paulproteus | Control the source! | 12:16 |
| nathany | if you don't have any further feedback, you can send it on to client implementors, etc for feedback? | 12:16 |
| tsarin | looking it over again, thats all for now | 12:17 |
| nathany | ok, great | 12:17 |
| nathany | we'll get a revised version out to you this week | 12:17 |
| tsarin | great. I'll get it back to you ASAP | 12:18 |
| nathany | great, thanks :) | 12:18 |
| nathany | so we're adjourned? | 12:18 |
| tsarin | :) | 12:18 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: the image are in there now, but the problem was that the URLs were prefixed with "www", but it was only configured to allow from http://creativecommons.org. Rather than add www.(cc).org to the allowed list I just changed the URLs. | 12:18 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Okay, that's probably just fine. | 12:18 |
| nathany | nkinkade: thanks | 12:18 |
| * tsarin waves | 12:18 | |
| nathany | that's the "right" thing | 12:18 |
| * paulproteus bids tsarin adieu! | 12:18 | |
| nathany | ttyl, tsarin | 12:18 |
| nathany | nkinkade: ^^ | 12:19 |
| nathany | hdworak: thanks for being patient; did you have questions wrt the validator project? | 12:19 |
| nkinkade | It's probably best because as far as I know we don't want www.(cc).org to exist, and in fact you will be redirected if you attempt to access the site that way. | 12:19 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Remind me where Herder lives right now? | 12:19 |
| nathany | svn:i18nedit | 12:19 |
| paulproteus | Okay, mind if I move it to git also? | 12:20 |
| hdworak | nathany: yes | 12:20 |
| hdworak | I've just scanned your mailing list for "validat*" and found nothing related | 12:20 |
| nathany | paulproteus: that's fine | 12:20 |
| hdworak | (March mailing list archive) | 12:20 |
| nathany | hdworak: it hasn't been touched/discussed in years | 12:20 |
| hdworak | first of all, as all the organisations, you come up with various proposal for each year | 12:21 |
| hdworak | how do you rate this particular proposal in the context of this year's proposals? | 12:21 |
| paulproteus | I personally would rate it very high. | 12:21 |
| nathany | hdworak: super important | 12:21 |
| hdworak | what I'm asking is whether you feel this project could be inferior to other proposals | 12:21 |
| nathany | hdworak: no, this is very needed | 12:21 |
| paulproteus | nathany++ | 12:22 |
| hdworak | ok, is there anyone applying for this for this GSOC so far? | 12:22 |
| nathany | hdworak: i haven't seen any yet | 12:22 |
| hdworak | (I don't wanna interfer with somebody's plans) | 12:22 |
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| hdworak | ok, how is this link: | 12:23 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Rewrite_Metadata_Validator | 12:23 |
| hdworak | in relation to: | 12:23 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/License_metadata_validation_web_application | 12:23 |
| hdworak | where one reads "Nathan Yergler's excellent ccValidator meets the challenge!" | 12:24 |
| nathany | ah, those should be merged | 12:24 |
| nathany | the former is more accurate | 12:24 |
| hdworak | ok, 'cause I read "is complete" there, so where pretty confused | 12:24 |
| nathany | i think the latter is left around more for historical purposes | 12:24 |
| nathany | i'll add some text pointing out that while it *did* meet the challenge, it has since bit rotted :) | 12:25 |
| hdworak | ok, the next thing | 12:25 |
| hdworak | I go to: http://validator.creativecommons.org/ | 12:25 |
| hdworak | I click "parse RDF" | 12:25 |
| hdworak | and the server literally sends me the python script | 12:25 |
| nathany | See the first line: "The CC Validator is offline while we retool it." | 12:25 |
| hdworak | I assume this is a bug | 12:25 |
| hdworak | ok | 12:25 |
| nathany | no, intentional | 12:26 |
| hdworak | just wanted to let you know | 12:26 |
| nathany | the old validator doesn't understand current metadata recommendations | 12:26 |
| hdworak | 'cause its unusual to see the server-side script being served | 12:26 |
| nathany | so we turned it off to try and prevent confusion... and just took the lazy way out | 12:26 |
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| hdworak | "Proposer knows the appropriate programming language(s)" | 12:31 |
| hdworak | do you have any preference over the languages chosen for this project? | 12:31 |
| hdworak | I mean Python instead of oo PHP5 or something | 12:31 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure we prefer Python. | 12:32 |
| paulproteus | What were you thinking of using? | 12:32 |
| paulproteus | And what languages do you know well? | 12:32 |
| hdworak | well, I'm fluent in oo PHP5, but would like to learn Python (during GSOC for instance) - so far I just did one project in Python (implementation and benchmarking of minimum spanning trees algorithm) | 12:33 |
| hdworak | Microsoft technologies are out of question | 12:33 |
| paulproteus | Naturally. (-: | 12:33 |
| hdworak | Java is still propertiary | 12:33 |
| hdworak | so Python suits me well, though would be a little harder to get used to its web-related implementation | 12:34 |
| hdworak | "Proposer shows evidence of being able to create software." | 12:34 |
| nathany | hdworak: i'm prefer Python, probably using something like Pylons for the web framework portion since it lends itself well to testing | 12:34 |
| nathany | You should just include some information in your proposal about software development experience | 12:35 |
| hdworak | in that particular language of choice or in general (so I could, for instance, provide the completed source code of my masters thesis)? | 12:35 |
| nathany | hdworak: generally, although demonstrating proficiency in that particular language wouldn't hurt ;) | 12:36 |
| hdworak | nathany: ironically I do prefer Python, too, my last project has proved to me its way better than PHP5 | 12:36 |
| hdworak | it's just I've bet on the wrong horse long time ago | 12:36 |
| nathany | hdworak: are you currently pursuing your master's degree? | 12:36 |
| hdworak | no, I've graduated. I'm a PhD student since October | 12:37 |
| nathany | ah, great | 12:37 |
| nathany | just wanted to make sure you were a student :) | 12:37 |
| hdworak | "Proposer has at least a little experience participating in Open Source projects" | 12:37 |
| nathany | not at all required | 12:37 |
| hdworak | founding + leading an sf.net game-related project with 13devs is enough? | 12:37 |
| nathany | absolutely | 12:37 |
| nathany | those guidelines were written by someone who liked to read his own text :) | 12:37 |
| hdworak | (retired) | 12:37 |
| nathany | sure | 12:37 |
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| qubodup | Hi there, can someone tell me when the discussion about cc information in torrent files will happen? | 12:38 |
| qubodup | =start | 12:39 |
| nathany | qubodup: you missed it :) | 12:39 |
| hdworak | ok | 12:39 |
| hdworak | sorry to contact you that late, but frankly my first attempt was the following: | 12:40 |
| hdworak | http://wiki.jabber.org/index.php/Summer_of_Code_2008#Modern_Web-based_Jabber.2FXMPP_Client | 12:40 |
| nathany | ok | 12:40 |
| nathany | no problem, hdworak | 12:40 |
| hdworak | all went fine, I've completed the proposal ( http://hugo.dworak.info/gsoc2008/xhtml ), but then we've found out about Soashable | 12:41 |
| nathany | :) | 12:41 |
| hdworak | and basically it appeared that someone is already doing free software we wanted to develop | 12:41 |
| hdworak | ... | 12:41 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 12:41 |
| hdworak | (yeah, I know it's lame) | 12:41 |
| nathany | hdworak: i'd love to see a proposal for this project... and would be happy to give you any feedback as you write it | 12:41 |
| paulproteus | Well, it's really good you found out about it rather than reinventing the wheel. | 12:41 |
| hdworak | yeah, I'm happy that is has already been made | 12:41 |
| qubodup | nathany: for real? | 12:42 |
| nathany | qubodup: yes; started @ 10A PDT | 12:42 |
| nathany | 30min mtg | 12:42 |
| nathany | qubodup: we're going to be revising the BEP, should have a revised version out later this week | 12:42 |
| qubodup | BEP? | 12:42 |
| hdworak | I do not view GSOC 2008 by personal goals' perspective only, but most of all as a contribution to the FOSS community | 12:42 |
| nathany | BitTorrent Enhancement Proposal | 12:42 |
| hdworak | and if anyone has written something great in the subject already, I'm more than happy | 12:43 |
| qubodup | nathany: thx | 12:43 |
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| hdworak | nathany: thank you. I'll find 1-2 days to come up with the proposal, 'cause I need to analyse the subject of the proposal in depth | 12:44 |
| hdworak | find=need | 12:45 |
| nathany | hdworak: sounds great | 12:45 |
| hdworak | :) | 12:45 |
| paulproteus | hdworak, Please feel free to come back here and ask questions if you are confused at any point in your research. | 12:45 |
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| hdworak | it appears to me that there's a great atmosphere here for the GSOC development | 12:46 |
| hdworak | and I appreciate that | 12:47 |
| nathany | we <3 our SoC students :) | 12:47 |
| paulproteus | And we appreciate SoC students who come around with really good questions and attitudes! | 12:47 |
| hdworak | well, let's face it - anyone can come up with the questions I've asked today | 12:48 |
| hdworak | nothing big really | 12:48 |
| nathany | hdworak: anyone can, few do | 12:48 |
| nkinkade | nathany: your commits are still showing up at cctools-cvs as user webmaster@creativecommons.org. | 12:49 |
| hdworak | I'm sorry about that | 12:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade: yes | 12:50 |
| nkinkade | Is there any way to correct that? | 12:50 |
| nathany | no | 12:50 |
| nathany | (not without giving every user an account on a6) | 12:50 |
| nathany | (and running a mail server to do sender verification, etc, etc, etc) | 12:50 |
| nkinkade | It's just curious because everyone else's commits seem to be coming from their own address. I just stood out to me. | 12:51 |
| nathany | oh really? | 12:51 |
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| nkinkade | No, I was wrong. All of our commits are showing up that way ... sorry. | 12:53 |
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| nkinkade | paulproteus: do you remember what mencoder command you were using to convert videos before using ffmpeg2theora? The videos I'm getting are little washed out but the sound is okay. | 13:13 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, Yeah, one sec. | 13:13 |
| paulproteus | I can reconstruct it in a sec. | 13:14 |
| nkinkade | mplayer's man page is a bit intimidating. | 13:14 |
| paulproteus | mencoder -forceidx -oac mp3lame -ovc copy infile.whatever -o /tmp/bob.avi | 13:18 |
| paulproteus | You can remove -forceidx. | 13:18 |
| paulproteus | Taken in part from my http://svn.asheesh.org/svn/public/bin/index-fix | 13:18 |
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| termopeen | hi | 13:24 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: that's still producing the washed out video like I was getting before. It seems to be the same output as the command I was using: mencoder -oac lavc -ovc lavc -of avi -o ccau.avi <input_file>.mov | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | termopeen, Howdy. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade, You shouldn't transcode the video. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | But it still shouldn't be washed out. | 13:27 |
| paulproteus | Note my "-ovc copy". | 13:27 |
| Bovinity | what's the input format? | 13:28 |
| paulproteus | What if you mplayer ccau.avi? | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | I see. I cut and pasted your command. | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | I did, and it plays, but the video is washed out. | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | Bovinity: Quicktime. | 13:28 |
| nkinkade | Stream #0.0(eng): Audio: mp4a / 0x6134706D, 44100 Hz, stereo | 13:30 |
| nkinkade | Stream #0.1(eng): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 480x360, 15.00 fps(r) | 13:30 |
| nkinkade | That's from the original Quicktime movie. | 13:31 |
| nkinkade | ffmpeg2theora works fine for the video, but produces no sound. And ffmpeg itself doesn't seem to be compiled with support for mp4a. Read somewhere online that it would have to be compiled with libfaad support. | 13:32 |
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| nkinkade | Well, after looking at it, seems that the original is washed out too. Oh well. | 13:47 |
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| hdworak | "Rewrite Metadata Validator" | 13:56 |
| hdworak | do you mean rewriting from scratch in particular? | 13:57 |
| hdworak | or maybe your intention is to do something based on the previous software | 13:57 |
| hdworak | or does it not matter at all which approach is taken? | 13:57 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: does the search box look okay to you at the forum ... it's below the login? | 14:12 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: remove the colon, and wrap "Search" with an h4 and it'll look just like staging | 14:14 |
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| nkinkade | Astonishingly, that does look better. | 14:17 |
| Bovinity | the search button needs a top margin of about 0.75em | 14:18 |
| Bovinity | hmm | 14:18 |
| nkinkade | Do you want to just make it look right? | 14:20 |
| nkinkade | I'm happy to do it, but seems it'd be easier for you to tweak than: i ask you -> you suggest -> i make change -> i ask you again -> you suggest again -> rinse -> lather -> repeat | 14:20 |
| * Bovinity nods and prods at it | 14:21 | |
| Bovinity | there. svn up away. ;) | 14:24 |
| nkinkade | nothing updated. | 14:28 |
| nkinkade | did you merge to production? | 14:28 |
| Bovinity | no | 14:28 |
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| Bovinity | and now that i have svnmerge, i will | 14:31 |
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| Gimp_ | It seems that I missed the discussion... silly work. Looking through my logs i see nothing about why torrents should have metadata for the license in them. | 16:04 |
| Gimp_ | As of right now, torrent files contain no information to those points about the files themselves. I'm having troubles understanding the use of putting a license in the .torrent itself. if you wish to send a license with it, why not just include a license.txt file or something? | 16:04 |
| nathany | Gimp_: the primary reason is to support things like searching and discovery -- so that a search engine can only show me content that i can remix, etc | 16:05 |
| Gimp_ | thats the sort of information the torrent search engine should store itself. something you should enter when you upload the torrent. | 16:06 |
| Gimp_ | and how can you verify that license? there would be nothing stopping people from putting those licenses into files which do not belong to them | 16:06 |
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| nathany | assuming you uploaded the torrent to that search engine | 16:06 |
| Gimp_ | the torrent would have been uploaded by someone, somewhere. and if that person has the capabilities to put the license in the .torrent, then they can enter it when they upload it. I, and the other developers on transmission are very hesitant to be seeing metadata about the files in the .torrent. | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | What happens when someone wants to create a derivative comprised of a 2.5 BY-SA license with a 3.0 BY-SA license ... what license must the resulting work carry? | 16:08 |
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| nathany | Gimp_: that's really good feedback to hear | 16:13 |
| nathany | can i send you the BEP we're working to get your feedback? | 16:13 |
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| nathany | Gimp_: I have to drop off momentarily for a while... if you email me at nathan at creativecommons dot org, i'd be happy to send you that | 16:16 |
| Gimp_ | nathany: alright, i'll toss you an email in about 5 minutes if you don't respond. if you're still there, im gimp at nilok dot ca, feel free to send it | 16:23 |
| nathany | Gimp_: got it | 16:23 |
| Gimp_ | nathany: thanks | 16:24 |
| nathany | we're working on it now, will send it when we've fixed some things that came up in today's chat | 16:24 |
| Gimp_ | alright. I'll make sure all the devs get a look at it when you send it along | 16:25 |
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| nathany | thanks, Gimp_ | 16:28 |
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| hdworak | nathany | 16:39 |
| hdworak | are you here? | 16:39 |
| nathany | hi hdworak | 16:39 |
| hdworak | I've posted a little question before, couldn't find the answer though; could you help me on this one pls | 16:40 |
| hdworak | hi | 16:40 |
| nathany | nkinkade: got the test msg | 16:40 |
| hdworak | the task is: ""Rewrite Metadata Validator" | 16:40 |
| hdworak | do you mean rewriting from scratch in particular or maybe your intention is to do something based on the previous software or does it not matter at all which approach is taken? | 16:40 |
| nathany | i'd prefer rewritten from scratch | 16:40 |
| nathany | the old software has some architectural limitations | 16:41 |
| nathany | as well as not addressing current recommendations | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: great ... that means we will be in good shape. | 16:41 |
| nathany | :) | 16:41 |
| hdworak | ok, thanks | 16:43 |
| hdworak | :) | 16:43 |
| hdworak | do you know who is the possible mentor of this proposal? | 16:43 |
| nathany | hdworak: myself or paulproteus... probably tbd based on what other proposals we get | 16:44 |
| hdworak | alright | 16:44 |
| hdworak | :) | 16:44 |
| hdworak | so long | 16:46 |
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| nkinkade | The only thing left is for me to reply to cc-staff with "Awesome!" on "CC is #1!" | 18:19 |
| Bovinity | GO TEAM! | 18:20 |
| Bovinity | ugh, svnmerge isn't liking me | 18:21 |
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| paulproteus | Man, I love ipython. | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | test test test, edit edit edit, then | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | In [81]: !svn ci -m ... | 18:33 |
| paulproteus | Seamless. | 18:33 |
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| nkinkade | Bovinity: sytling on the recaptcha I just added to the forum? | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | In terms of placement and spacing, that is. | 19:12 |
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| Bovinity | on register? | 19:13 |
| Bovinity | looks fine! | 19:13 |
| nkinkade | Should there be a blurb of text indicating what it is and what someone needs to do? | 19:17 |
| nkinkade | On second thought I like it better without any text. The box itself says "Type the two words", and a message will come back if the fail to do it correctly, or at all. | 19:21 |
| Bovinity | oh, i thought you meant blurb about what the forum is and does | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | captcha is pretty self explanatory | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | weeds out the idiots, perhaps | 19:22 |
| nkinkade | Try clicking on the register button without it. Maybe "code" isn't the right word. | 19:22 |
| Bovinity | it occurs to me, with the captcha there now, the register button should be on the left | 19:23 |
| Bovinity | took me a good 5 seconds to figure out where the button went :/ | 19:23 |
| nkinkade | Shall I move it now? | 19:23 |
| Bovinity | "You must accept the licensing terms in order to regsiter." | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | Right. | 19:24 |
| Bovinity | regsiter | 19:24 |
| nkinkade | That's not spelled correctly, is it. | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | they say words, so "The reCaptcha words you entered were not correct." would be more fitting | 19:25 |
| Bovinity | i dont beleive it is, but i may have to check a dictionary first | 19:25 |
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| nkinkade | That's exactly what I just put there prior to having read your suggestions. | 19:26 |
| nkinkade | But the Regsiter [sic] button looks better on the right, I think. | 19:27 |
| nkinkade | But I'll leave that to you. | 19:27 |
| Bovinity | nkinkade: if i were to replace the cc.engine on a7 with a checkout from code.cc, does anything need to be restarted or otherwise done? | 19:32 |
| nkinkade | Why do you need to replace cc.engine? | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | It resides outside the webroot. | 19:34 |
| nkinkade | But generally, to restart cc.engine you can $ sudo /etc/init.d/cc_engine-run-cc_engine restart | 19:35 |
| Bovinity | just a skin revision for the updated sidebar | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | Ah. I doubt it would need to be restarted, but if you're in doubt then it couldn't hurt. | 19:36 |
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| * Bovinity sighs in releif at not breaking staging. | 19:48 | |
| Bovinity | but never any relief in mixing up i and e. | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | nor in mixing up i and s. | 19:51 |
| Bovinity | it's always something... | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | as in "regsiter" | 19:53 |
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