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| tannewt | paulproteus, http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/07/richard_milhouse_giuliani.php | 00:24 |
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| paulproteus | Right, theatlantic should know better. | 00:25 |
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| beatnuss | hi im just playing arround with cchost- is there any good board for discussing problems? | 10:34 |
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| beatnuss | does anybody have any experience combining the yaml framework with cchost? | 12:04 |
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| paulproteus | tannewt, Remember the Alamo! | 15:17 |
| paulproteus | ^Wwireless router! | 15:17 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, haha, yeah | 15:18 |
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| tannewt | nathany, have you messed with the gnome stuff for liblicense? | 16:30 |
| nathany | not yet | 16:31 |
| tannewt | nathany, when are you going to get a chance? | 16:32 |
| nathany | i hadn't been paying attention to commit messages, wasn't aware you had it working -- i'll look momentarily | 16:33 |
| tannewt | nathany, its not perfect but its getting there | 16:33 |
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| tannewt | nathany, nautilus read and write works, I needed the newest exempi | 16:35 |
| nathany | cool | 16:35 |
| tannewt | nathany, it isn't automaked yet though | 16:36 |
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| nathany | tannewt: | 16:40 |
| nathany | nathan@cc-cto:~/p/liblicense/trunk$ ./autogen.sh | 16:40 |
| nathany | You need to install gnome-common from the GNOME CVS | 16:40 |
| nathany | seriously? | 16:40 |
| tannewt | nathany, I didn't use that, rejon did | 16:41 |
| nathany | didn't use what, autogen? | 16:41 |
| tannewt | rejon, added the gnome autogen.sh | 16:41 |
| nathany | so how do *you* make the app for gnome? | 16:42 |
| tannewt | nathany, eh? it doesn't install yet | 16:42 |
| bovinity | autogen makes the world go around. | 16:42 |
| nathany | right... but how the hell do i build it? do i really need gnome-common from CVS? | 16:43 |
| tannewt | nathany, no, I have the autogen (from gnome I think) without pulling from CVS | 16:43 |
| nathany | so i checked out liblicense | 16:44 |
| nathany | then ran autogen.sh | 16:44 |
| nathany | and it gave that error | 16:44 |
| nathany | is this not the correct way? | 16:44 |
| tannewt | nathany, it is the right way and at the moment you need gnome's autogen.sh | 16:44 |
| tannewt | nathany, I thought you were asking about the gnome specific stuff, default and nautilus, which isn't hooked into automake yet | 16:45 |
| bovinity | it needs m4 macros that gnome-common provides | 16:45 |
| nathany | tannewt: sigh | 16:45 |
| nathany | so is there an easy way for me to try the gtk stuff you were working on? | 16:46 |
| tannewt | nathany, well once liblicense is installed all you need to do is run the python scripts from the source tree | 16:47 |
| nathany | but to get liblicense installed i need... ? gnome autogen.sh? i'm not sure what that means -- do i need to build gnome-common from source? just check it out from svn?? | 16:48 |
| tannewt | nathany, you ought to be able to just use a gnome-common package | 16:48 |
| nathany | tannewt: ok, trying that now | 16:48 |
| tannewt | nathany, alright, let me know if you hit any bugs | 16:50 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Dude, lots of files in this Zope thing. | 16:53 |
| nathany | lol | 16:53 |
| nathany | paulproteus: in svn? or getting pulled in by the buildout? | 16:54 |
| paulproteus | Well, I think in svn. | 16:54 |
| paulproteus | BTW, I'm really impressed by buildout. | 16:54 |
| paulproteus | A zope instance like *that*. | 16:54 |
| paulproteus | Not that it was fast, but it was correct, which is the shocking bit. | 16:54 |
| nathany | right... buildout is slick | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, I guess I'll go read the Zope book thing about internationalization? | 16:55 |
| nathany | (and i'm going to commit a setting that will make it run faster later today) | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | I see e.g. <h1 i18n:translate="license.Choose_License">Choose A License</h1> but I'm not sure how to actually interact with it. | 16:55 |
| nathany | yeah, i think reading the i18n chapter is the first step | 16:55 |
| paulproteus | (Whatever, for devving this speed is just fine!) | 16:55 |
| nathany | the i18n:translate attr indicates it needs translated | 16:55 |
| nathany | but we need to the catalogs plugged in | 16:55 |
| nathany | (which they aren't now) | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good. | 16:56 |
| paulproteus | If I don't have this internationalized by a few hours after lunch, I'll be disappointed. Doesn't seem like it's supposed to be hard. | 16:56 |
| nathany | paulproteus: i'd give yourself the day -- the ramp up to zope can be sort of steep (although IMHO the benefits of Z3 is worth it) | 16:57 |
| paulproteus | Would it be worth it for random personal projects, too, I wonder? | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | Or for a recipe database for my mom? | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | (These are serious questions.) | 16:58 |
| nathany | eh, i'm not certain about that -- there's a certain overhead to running a Z3 app | 16:58 |
| * paulproteus shrugs | 16:58 | |
| nathany | of course, the demo app developed for Phillip's book is a recipe database :) | 16:58 |
| paulproteus | That's why I get fast computers. | 16:58 |
| nathany | i like it because it's developers pay attention to the "deployment story" which i think lots of other frameworks (python frameworks in particular) ignore | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | Interesting. | 16:59 |
| * paulproteus considers sometime zoping up rose.makesad.us | 16:59 | |
| nathany | and its possible to build really complex apps that continue to conform to object oriented priniciples | 16:59 |
| paulproteus | It'd be really cool if there were a warm beach I could take a bus to for a few hours and read this Zope book. | 17:01 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, too bad its foggy | 17:01 |
| nathany | tannewt: make install fails | 17:01 |
| nathany | i'm emaling you the transcript | 17:02 |
| tannewt | nathany, alright | 17:02 |
| paulproteus | Hah, pwned. | 17:02 |
| nathany | sent... ok, going to get some coffee | 17:02 |
| nathany | bbiab | 17:03 |
| tannewt | nathany, thanks | 17:03 |
| tannewt | nathany, no idea, "libtool: install: error: cannot install `liblicense.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages" | 17:08 |
| nathany | yup, i saw that | 17:10 |
| nathany | tannewt: let me know if/when you figure out the problem | 17:11 |
| tannewt | nathany, alright | 17:14 |
| tannewt | nathany, when I use prefix=/home/scott (no trailing slash) the python bindings installed but not the ruby ones | 17:19 |
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| nathany | ah, i'll try that | 17:19 |
| tannewt | nathany, and you could disable the ruby stuff | 17:20 |
| nathany | --disable-ruby? | 17:20 |
| tannewt | nathany, I know it doesn't need /usr/local... because mines in /usr | 17:20 |
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| tannewt | nathany, not sure actually | 17:21 |
| nathany | ok | 17:21 |
| tannewt | nathany, --disable-ruby doesn't work | 17:22 |
| tannewt | weird, ""libtool: install: error: cannot install `liblicense.la' to a directory not ending in /home/scott/lib/python2.4/site-packages | 17:27 |
| nathany | yeah | 17:27 |
| nathany | huh | 17:27 |
| tannewt | nathany, thats when I changed my prefix back to /usr | 17:28 |
| bovinity | added --disable-ruby, svn up | 17:28 |
| bovinity | ;) | 17:28 |
| tannewt | nathany, a make clean and ./configure --prefix=/usr make make install, fixed it for me | 17:30 |
| nathany | i don't want --prefix=/urs | 17:30 |
| nathany | i want --prefix=/home/nathan; that's what i'm trying now | 17:30 |
| tannewt | nathany, I know, but a make clean may help | 17:30 |
| nathany | right | 17:30 |
| nathany | did that | 17:30 |
| tannewt | nathany, doing the reverse of what I did | 17:30 |
| nathany | yup, that worked | 17:31 |
| nathany | so the trailing slash really pisses it off | 17:31 |
| tannewt | nathany, weird | 17:31 |
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| paulproteus | Mmm, Zope seems great. | 17:56 |
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| nathany | paulproteus:ping | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | pong | 18:37 |
| nathany | can you update http://wiki.creativecommons.org/JsWidget with a real screen shot of the current release | 18:37 |
| nathany | and a link to the live demo? | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Psst, want me to actually just embed the JS? | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | I can just link to the live demo instead. | 18:38 |
| nathany | oh, embed the JS in the wiki page? | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Right, that's one idea. | 18:38 |
| nathany | i think just a link to the demo would be cleaner -- that way it's demonstrated in the simplest possible situation | 18:38 |
| paulproteus | Sure. | 18:38 |
| nathany | thanks | 18:38 |
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| nathany | paulproteus: can you ping me when you get that done? no rush, just want to include some stuff in my talk tomorrow | 18:44 |
| paulproteus | nathany, I think it makes sense to release the partially-translated 0.2 first, then, so that the screenshot is up to date with the current state of the questions. | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | (i.e., no "Allow Sharing" question.) | 18:46 |
| nathany | +1 | 18:46 |
| paulproteus | Do you know if there's a good way to "dock" a text editor on the right side of the screen in GNOME? | 18:47 |
| nathany | no, but if you figure it out let me know -- i'd love to make emacs part of my permanent workspace | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 18:48 |
| luisv | you can just right-click on the window manager bar and do 'always on visible workspace' | 18:48 |
| paulproteus | luisv, Well, sure, but then maximizing things will still overlap them. | 18:49 |
| luisv | ah | 18:49 |
| luisv | you want it to be more panel-like | 18:49 |
| luisv | hrm | 18:49 |
| paulproteus | Right, panel-like! | 18:49 |
| bovinity | i remember there was a panel applet hack a few years back that let you embed an app | 18:49 |
| bovinity | but that's probably lost to the dim and distant past | 18:49 |
| luisv | paulproteus: hrm | 18:50 |
| luisv | http://burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie | 18:50 |
| nathany | i think it was fucked in some of the panel code spasms a while back... iirc (which is questionable) | 18:50 |
| luisv | ^ allows you to do magical things to windows | 18:50 |
| luisv | (possibly including making them behave like a panel) | 18:51 |
| paulproteus | God point, thanks luisv. | 18:51 |
| paulproteus | Er, good even. | 18:51 |
| luisv | hehe | 18:52 |
| luisv | anyway, yeah, not sure if that does exactly what you want | 18:52 |
| luisv | but it can do things like 'every time I start emacs, put it on all desktops' | 18:52 |
| luisv | which is at least part of what you want | 18:52 |
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| paulproteus | _NET_WM_STRUT_PARTIAL here we come.... | 19:05 |
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| luisv | paulproteus: works? | 19:20 |
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| tvol | themayor cool | 18:27 |
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| paulproteus | Whoa, I think I got something going with xprop.... | 18:32 |
| paulproteus | I just used xprop to make metacity think an xterm is a panel. | 18:33 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, So do we ever generate/use .mo files? | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | Or should I add something to the CC i18n that generates them the normal way? | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | (normal == locales/$LANG/LC_MESSAGES/$domain.mo | 18:53 |
| nathany | we don't use them for anything at this point | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | ) | 18:53 |
| nathany | yes | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | The Zope 3 really would prefer they be used. | 18:53 |
| nathany | :) | 18:53 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good. | 18:53 |
| nathany | right... we'll need them for Z3, i think | 18:53 |
| nathany | Z2 auto-compiled for you behind the scenes | 18:54 |
| nathany | it may make sense to mod istr2po to make two sets -- one with the existing layout, one with the "correct" layout | 18:54 |
| paulproteus | That's pretty freaky of it. | 18:54 |
| paulproteus | Sounds good. | 18:54 |
| nathany | btw, have you seen this? | 18:54 |
| nathany | http://www.lulu.tv/?p=1577 | 18:54 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 18:58 |
| paulproteus | nathany, And what if they have syntax errors.... | 19:17 |
| nathany | the strings? | 19:17 |
| paulproteus | P.S. No offense, but I don't think I trust your PoFile class. | 19:17 |
| nathany | LOL | 19:17 |
| paulproteus | Yeah, the .po files. | 19:17 |
| nathany | throw them away | 19:17 |
| nathany | btw, what do you mean "syntax errors" -- | 19:18 |
| paulproteus | I'll show you, one sec. | 19:18 |
| paulproteus | nathany, Hmm, could be because you forgot to .close() the pofiles as they get generated. | 19:19 |
| paulproteus | Let me see if that's the real problem. | 19:19 |
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| paulproteus | nathany, Never mind; it was related to the files not being fully sync'd before another program tried to read them. | 19:29 |
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| paulproteus | cameronparkins, I signed you up for a North Indian lunch tomorrow. | 20:14 |
| cameronparkins | paulproteus: you're the bomb | 20:14 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Vinismo Opens Its Doors to Wine Lovers Everywhere <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7580> | 20:18 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6347] cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/configure.zcml: Revision: 6347 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6347&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-24 17:26:02 -0700 (Tue, 24 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Hooray for .mo files! Modified Paths: -------------- cc.engine/trunk/cc/engine/configure.zcml This was sent | 20:30 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6348] i18n/trunk/data: Revision: 6348 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6348&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-24 17:28:21 -0700 (Tue, 24 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- now creates .mo files, yahoo! Modified Paths: -------------- i18n/trunk/data/istr2po.py i18n/trunk/data/istr2po.sh This was sent by | 20:34 |
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| gavinbaker | paulproteus: today i got an email from mozdec bugzilla | 22:27 |
| gavinbaker | to file a bug on mozcc | 22:27 |
| gavinbaker | that's... multiple days after i requested a password. | 22:27 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, Super rad. | 22:30 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus, i don't know if you might want to move mozcc's bug tracking to maybe somewhere else, given that... | 22:32 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, I'll bring it up with NathanY. | 22:32 |
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