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| luisv | morning, rejon | 15:00 |
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| tannewt | themayor, whats up? | 16:25 |
| themayor | yo | 16:27 |
| themayor | hey can you send me the config you are using for to the build? | 16:27 |
| tannewt | the kickstart file? | 16:27 |
| themayor | also, we figured a way we can track usage of the livecd for you guys, we want you to be able to add that in as your choice if you want to | 16:27 |
| themayor | tannewt: yeah | 16:27 |
| themayor | also someone mentioned that we should embded the architecture in the iso name | 16:28 |
| themayor | so that people know what it is they are getting | 16:29 |
| tannewt | themayor, okay | 16:29 |
| themayor | sound good? | 16:29 |
| tannewt | the only thing about the architecture name is that is confusing for non-computer people | 16:29 |
| themayor | well they really wont care, will they? | 16:32 |
| tannewt | themayor, never know | 16:34 |
| themayor | okay, a couple of us will look at the config in a bit and get back to you | 16:37 |
| tannewt | themayor, the package list was dumped from one of the other ones I did | 16:38 |
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| themayor | tannewt: s'ok | 16:43 |
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| nathany | tannewt: are we going to produce ISOs for multiple architectures? | 16:48 |
| tannewt | nathany, wasn't planning on it | 16:49 |
| nathany | ok | 16:49 |
| nathany | just curious | 16:49 |
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| tannewt | nathany, I'm working on the control center today | 17:10 |
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| tannewt | bovinity, on the default license chooser, did you create the scale icon? | 17:25 |
| bovinity | no | 17:25 |
| tannewt | bovinity, hmm, well I'll just grab it out of the svg | 17:25 |
| bovinity | hmm, what scale icon? | 17:26 |
| bovinity | the popup gif? | 17:26 |
| nathany | scale icon? wtf? | 17:26 |
| tannewt | there must be a different name for it | 17:27 |
| tannewt | a balance? | 17:27 |
| bovinity | that yellow tango icon i made? | 17:27 |
| bovinity | the only scales i can think of | 17:27 |
| nathany | tannewt: url of the icon? | 17:27 |
| tannewt | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/images/c/cd/Gnome.svg | 17:27 |
| bovinity | oh, right. | 17:28 |
| nathany | oh | 17:28 |
| bovinity | when you say "default license chooser" i think /license | 17:28 |
| nathany | right | 17:28 |
| nathany | when you say "fantasy mockup" i think "look in the wiki" :) | 17:28 |
| bovinity | exactly | 17:28 |
| bovinity | tannewt, do you want a specific size? i have a few scaled versions | 17:29 |
| tannewt | bovinity, I was just going to use it out of the svg | 17:29 |
| tannewt | bovinity, what should I call it? | 17:30 |
| tannewt | bovinity, a balance? scale? | 17:30 |
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| bovinity | scales | 17:31 |
| tannewt | okay | 17:31 |
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| paulproteus | BTW, nathany, you can bind psyco to separate parts of Zope even if you can't bind it to all of Zope. | 17:40 |
| paulproteus | e.g., You can accelerate just TAL, as the psyco documentation describes. | 17:40 |
| nathany | ah, interesting | 17:40 |
| nathany | although frankly it strikes me as a little frightening (at least with *our* current Zope configuration) | 17:41 |
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| tannewt | luisv, hes around | 18:22 |
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| tvol | tannewt, bovinity, we're nearing last revisions for livecontent - themayor: any word on updates or changes from your end? | 18:25 |
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| luisv | nc-ad? | 18:30 |
| paulproteus | Sshh... (-; | 18:30 |
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| luisv | advertising, or...? | 18:30 |
| bovinity | you saw nothing | 18:31 |
| bovinity | nothing! | 18:31 |
| bovinity | ;) | 18:31 |
| paulproteus | (Yeah, advertising.) | 18:31 |
| luisv | of course. | 18:32 |
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| luisv | I saw nothing. :) | 18:32 |
| luisv | reasonable | 18:32 |
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| themayor | tannewt: ping | 18:57 |
| tannewt | themayor, whats up? | 18:57 |
| themayor | tannewt: dude, we cant have madwifi in there | 18:58 |
| themayor | otherwise, i sent you an email | 18:58 |
| tannewt | themayor, why not? | 18:58 |
| luisv | GPL violation | 18:58 |
| luisv | next question | 18:59 |
| luisv | :) | 18:59 |
| themayor | yup | 18:59 |
| themayor | its illegal | 18:59 |
| luisv | themayor: just sent the worldlabels dude your way, he's having some sort of issue and was wondering if there was anyone local to him (NY area) | 18:59 |
| luisv | hope that isn't a problem | 18:59 |
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| paulproteus | themayor, Hmm, what's the deal with madwifi? | 19:00 |
| paulproteus | Is there a binary blob that links to GPL Linux source or something? | 19:00 |
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| paulproteus | Pretend (?) I know nothing about this driver. | 19:01 |
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| themayor | paulproteus: yes, im in nyc | 19:02 |
| themayor | thats fine | 19:03 |
| tvol | hey luisv, themayor, rejon and i are talking with worldlabel on the phone later so maybe we can help | 19:03 |
| themayor | and regarding the madwifi, its not free software | 19:04 |
| luisv | paulproteus: binary blob linking to GPL v2 kernel, yes, without doing anything that would work around the incompatibility. | 19:04 |
| themayor | yup and its not upstream | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | Well, distributing the madwifi drivers seems to mean distributing Atheros's HAL, which is non-free. | 19:05 |
| paulproteus | Supposedly the HAL itself doesn't link to Linux code. | 19:05 |
| * paulproteus is reading http://madwifi.org/wiki/About#SolveLicensingIssues point 1 | 19:05 | |
| paulproteus | Anyway, if we don't want to ship non-free software on this disc, then the HAL has to go, which means madwifi wouldn't work. | 19:06 |
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| paulproteus | I may get lunch from "The Secret Deli" <http://www.yelp.com/biz/2DNbyy-rIGHeiueLRCV39Q>. | 19:09 |
| cameronparkins | CURRY! | 19:10 |
| luisv | I think themayor's point was not 'we don't want to do X', it is 'doing X would violate the copyright of various kernel copyright holders who have in the past made it clear that they do not like such things to occur.' | 19:11 |
| themayor | tannewt: you getting any of this? | 19:20 |
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| tannewt | themayor and luisv, I have no problems taking it off, I just added it to support bovinity's computer and more wireless cards | 20:07 |
| paulproteus | I look forward to the day that http://madwifi.org/wiki/OpenHAL is integrated with madwifi. | 20:14 |
| paulproteus | In fact, tannewt, if you want you can try http://svn.madwifi.org/branches/dadwifi-openhal/openhal/ . | 20:15 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, thanks but I dont want to fuss with it | 20:15 |
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| paulproteus | Sure, makes sense. | 20:15 |
| paulproteus | Hey now nathany. | 20:15 |
| nathany | hey paulproteus -- sorry i dropped off earlier; network was flaky for a bit | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | No problem. | 20:16 |
| paulproteus | I've mostly discussing lunch and Free Software licensing minutia. | 20:16 |
| cameronparkins | paulproteus: what was the name of that indian delivery place | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | a.. something | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | Let me look it up. | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | I'm totally for doing it once a week. | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | http://www.annadaata.com/ | 20:26 |
| paulproteus | We could start as soon as tomorrow if you like.... | 20:28 |
| paulproteus | http://www.annadaata.com/Menu.htm | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | Hmm! | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | I can pick which day based on the menu. | 20:29 |
| paulproteus | Today's veg. North looks good. | 20:30 |
| cameronparkins | this is the bomb | 20:31 |
| paulproteus | Wednesday's North veg. looks good to me. | 20:31 |
| cameronparkins | http://www.annadaata.com/locationsserved.htm | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | Thursday's non-veg also looks good. | 20:32 |
| cameronparkins | this makes me think they don't come into SF-proper | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | I'm sure they do. | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | By "sure" I mean, like, come on, how could they not? | 20:32 |
| cameronparkins | haha | 20:32 |
| paulproteus | bovinity, tannewt, tvol, want to join us for Wednesday veg. Indian delivery? | 20:33 |
| paulproteus | http://www.annadaata.com/Menu.htm - see July 25 Veg. North Thali | 20:34 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, don't think so | 20:34 |
| paulproteus | cameronparkins, Any preference on W veg vs. Th non-veg? I figure we'll start North Indian since that's what I know. | 20:36 |
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| cameronparkins | well, im a veg so veg for better or for worse | 20:36 |
| paulproteus | Oh, I forgot. (-: | 20:36 |
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| cameronparkins | paulproteus: no worries | 20:43 |
| paulproteus | Well, I emailed cc-staff-sf so let's see if someone else wants to do this; I'll order before noon Tuesday. | 20:44 |
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| gavinbaker | hey, license mixing question. :-/ | 21:00 |
| gavinbaker | by-nc 3.0 and by 2.5 -- any problems? | 21:00 |
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| gavinbaker | there shouldn't be any problems with the licenses, but i'm concerned something about weird conflicts from the versioning. am i cool? | 21:02 |
| * gavinbaker assumes he's cool | 21:05 | |
| * gavinbaker is gonna tell the lawyers "but #cc said so!" if he gets sued | 21:05 | |
| * paulproteus gulps and holds his tongue | 21:05 | |
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| paulproteus | I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on #cc, but I think that given how permissive by is supposed to be, there should be no problem. | 21:11 |
| paulproteus | In general, I doubt there's a problem of mixing CC licenses except in the case of the -sa licenses. | 21:11 |
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| * gavinbaker hope so | 21:12 | |
| paulproteus | You can mix "by" and All Rights Reserved, after all. | 21:12 |
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| paulproteus | nathany_, re: strings: | 21:33 |
| nathany_ | yes | 21:33 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, e.g. "jswidget.remix_short" for "Allow Remixing"? | 21:33 |
| nathany_ | i like prefixing with jswidget for organizational purposes | 21:34 |
| nathany_ | probably prefer something like "jswidget.allow_remixing" so its as close to the english as possible | 21:34 |
| paulproteus | Sure, okay. | 21:34 |
| nathany_ | (esp since there's not a remix long in jswidget) :) | 21:34 |
| paulproteus | "Licensor permits others to make derivative works." | 21:35 |
| paulproteus | == remix_long | 21:35 |
| nathany_ | paulproteus: "oops, my bad" ;) | 21:39 |
| nathany_ | i defer to your judgement | 21:39 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, "Choose the options below for your personalized Creative Commons license." or "Choose from the options below for your personalized Creative Commons license." ? | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | The page and DHTML chooser says the first; I think the second is nicer. | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | bovinity, ^^ | 21:40 |
| paulproteus | (I figure it's important to fix the strings rather than retranslate them.) | 21:41 |
| nathany_ | a concur, although i'm not even sure it's necessary for this | 21:41 |
| nathany_ | a=i | 21:41 |
| nathany_ | i wonder if that sort of explanatory text sshouldn't be delegated to the app developer | 21:41 |
| nathany_ | (or maybe there should be a "simple" version as well as the "full" version | 21:41 |
| paulproteus | That does make sense, only the app developer probably won't translate into as many languages as we will. | 21:42 |
| nathany_ | but presumably they'll translate into the languages that matter to them | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | I'm fine with making only the simple version first and removing the strong, really. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | string, even. | 21:42 |
| paulproteus | I've done that a couple of times, string/strong. | 21:42 |
| nathany_ | +1 | 21:42 |
| nathany_ | paulproteus: any experience with git? | 21:44 |
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| paulproteus | nathany_, A little, once, why? | 21:45 |
| nathany_ | (thumbs up, thumbs down?) | 21:45 |
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| paulproteus | I have more experience with Mercurial. | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | No vote, I'm afraid. | 21:45 |
| nathany_ | ah | 21:45 |
| nathany_ | just my ever expanding quest for better source control -- i've tried darcs, bzr, etc | 21:45 |
| nathany_ | no experience with mercurial | 21:45 |
| paulproteus | The Ubuntu people use bzr; what did you make of it? | 21:46 |
| nathany_ | i didn't use it enough to really be able to say... no immediate red flags, the fact ubuntu used it and it was written in python was a +1 for me | 21:46 |
| nathany_ | i've used darcs quite a bit, so i'm still biased a little towards it when it comes to distributed vcs | 21:47 |
| bovinity | paulproteus, fwiw, i prefer the latter too. | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | bovinity, Good, I figure your English is more canonical than mine. | 21:49 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, When you switch source control system, do you do a full import of your old data? | 21:51 |
| nathany_ | bovinity, paulproteus: canonical == british == pretentious? (just kidding!) | 21:52 |
| paulproteus | Maybe that's why they're getting so much flak over launchpad.net. | 21:52 |
| nathany_ | paulproteus: i've only *switched* once, from CVS to SVN and did an import thten | 21:52 |
| bovinity | why, my good sir, what on earth do you mean by that sudden outburst? do come now, sir. | 21:52 |
| nathany_ | lol | 21:53 |
| bovinity | ;) | 21:53 |
| nathany_ | most of the times i've done distributed vcs i've used it for personal projects, where i was starting from scratch | 21:53 |
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| paulproteus | Hey now mecredis. | 21:57 |
| mecredis | hey hey | 21:57 |
| mecredis | quick q | 21:57 |
| mecredis | do you know www.creativecommons.org/license is down? | 21:57 |
| mecredis | oh, its working now | 21:57 |
| mecredis | was a bit of a hiccup | 21:57 |
| paulproteus | Apparently part of my job this week is to make that less broken. | 21:58 |
| mecredis | ah | 21:59 |
| mecredis | well it seems less broken now | 21:59 |
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| paulproteus | Well, it's not because I did anything. | 22:00 |
| paulproteus | The moon probably changed phase. | 22:00 |
| nathany_ | mecredis: yeah, it's intermittent | 22:01 |
| mecredis | heh | 22:05 |
| mecredis | we're 9/10ths of the way to implementing CC at rhizome | 22:05 |
| mecredis | so we're checking it out | 22:05 |
| mecredis | Ok, have to split | 22:06 |
| mecredis | be back in a bit | 22:06 |
| mecredis | ciao | 22:06 |
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| rejon | rrrrr | 22:28 |
| rejon | ? | 22:28 |
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| paulproteus | nathany_, How will people know to translate our strings? | 22:46 |
| nathany_ | we'll update them on the istr site and email the cci community | 22:46 |
| nathany_ | i can take care of that | 22:46 |
| paulproteus | K-rad. | 22:47 |
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| bovinity | tvol, tannewt, rejon: printer tells me they'll ahve the wallets on wednesday. we're on schedule. | 22:51 |
| rejon | cool | 22:51 |
| tvol | bovinity: fantastic | 22:51 |
| tannewt | bovinity, excellent | 22:51 |
| paulproteus | rejon, http://labs.creativecommons.org/jswidget/trunk/example_web_app/ is a demo that's ostensibly in French. | 22:52 |
| paulproteus | nathany_, My last email to you forgot to mention I should make Apache language negotiation work for this, but I'll probably finish that today. | 22:55 |
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| rejon | tvol or cameronparkins: are one of you looking into submitting to awards for linuxworld? | 23:54 |
| rejon | I can't remember if we talked about this b4 | 23:54 |
| cameronparkins | rejon: it remember it being mentioned in passing, i can look into it if tvol isnt | 23:54 |
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| tvol | rejon i don't think you mentioned it...i think someone did in passing. i could look into it | 23:54 |
| cameronparkins | haha, funny response | 23:54 |
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| bovinity | spooky | 23:55 |
| rejon | what? | 23:55 |
| cameronparkins | rejon: both tvol and I said the same thing - it was mentioned in passing but neither of us picked up on it | 23:55 |
| cameronparkins | i can take care of it, unless you are dying to do it tvol | 23:55 |
| cameronparkins | i feel like you have bigger fish to fry | 23:55 |
| tvol | cameronparkins is on it | 23:55 |
| rejon | rock | 23:57 |
| rejon | big fish | 23:57 |
| rejon | i wish we could submit to oscon and other awards too | 23:57 |
| rejon | major missed opportunity for low hanging fruit | 23:57 |
| rejon | hahaha | 23:57 |
| rejon | ok, focus on lwe | 23:57 |
| rejon | ;) | 23:57 |
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