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| paulproteus | My Indian pizza was surprisingly good. | 01:44 |
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| paulproteus | gavinbaker, File a bug re: MozCC. | 01:44 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: can you point me to the bugtracker for it? | 01:45 |
| paulproteus | Oh, good question. | 01:45 |
| paulproteus | Let's see. | 01:45 |
| paulproteus | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/MozCC links to "file a bug" | 01:47 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: it's too bad i have to create an account for this particular bugzilla. (ah, that's why they made launchpad) | 01:49 |
| gavinbaker | it'd be really super neat if bugzilla supported OpenID or something. | 01:49 |
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| paulproteus | I'm sure someone's done that. | 01:50 |
| luisv | http://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:OpenID_Auth_Plugin | 01:50 |
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| * luisv mumbles about launchpad being proprietary | 01:50 | |
| gavinbaker | luisv: so is sourceforge, i'm told. but launchpad is in the process of opening their source... then they get around to it. | 01:51 |
| luisv | I'll believe that when I see it. | 01:51 |
| luisv | and in the meantime I'll keep recommending bugzilla over either sf or launchpad. | 01:52 |
| paulproteus | luisv++ # Radical freedom edition | 01:52 |
| paulproteus | Which reminds me, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/130 . | 01:52 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: if you ++'ed luisv, why'd you set FC.o on launchpad? | 01:52 |
| luisv | ah, the stooge distro: http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further | 01:53 |
| paulproteus | Um, it looks nice, plus it comes with empty promises *for free*! | 01:53 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, More seriously, our bug tracker has to be something not run on our servers, or else where do you file a bug when it's down? | 01:53 |
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| gavinbaker | interesting point. | 01:54 |
| luisv | you should probably be using means other than a bug tracker to indicate something as important as 'your servers are down' | 01:54 |
| luisv | bug tracker is asyncronous | 01:54 |
| gavinbaker | luisv: we have other means, too. | 01:55 |
| paulproteus | luisv, Yeah, that does make some sense too. | 01:55 |
| gavinbaker | and "x is down" isn't always as binary as it sounds. | 01:55 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus: i'll file that bug when it sends me my account. | 01:56 |
| paulproteus | It's nice to track DNS issues or email issues somewhere where someone else works on them. | 01:56 |
| luisv | I admit that I get particularly cantankerous about launchpad because it is so brutally two-faced | 01:56 |
| luisv | 'free free free!' | 01:56 |
| luisv | 'except all the interesting parts' | 01:56 |
| luisv | 'but we'll insult others as less free anyway' | 01:56 |
| luisv | the sheer unmitigated gall to attack RH as being less free than Ubuntu, when it is built with completely open source tools and contains no un-free drivers, is just... argh. | 01:57 |
| luisv | maddening. | 01:57 |
| paulproteus | Unlike SourceForge, which was proudly Free for a while, then admitted it went totally non-free. | 01:57 |
| luisv | I'm not defending sourceforge | 01:58 |
| paulproteus | Exactly. | 01:58 |
| gavinbaker | i've never understood how launchpad could be so confusing / whatever that they can't release the code. | 01:58 |
| paulproteus | I understand what you mean about two-faced, and I remark on it above. | 01:58 |
| luisv | except inasmuch as it doesn't go around calling competitors non-free when that is patently untrue. | 01:58 |
| luisv | gavinbaker: it is their business model | 01:58 |
| luisv | gavinbaker: which is fine | 01:58 |
| luisv | gavinbaker: if they'd just admit it | 01:58 |
| gavinbaker | luisv: well, it's not fine by me, even if they admit it. but it's even less fine if they won't | 01:58 |
| luisv | <shrug> | 01:59 |
| luisv | I'm OK with letting him experiment with business models if he's honest about it | 01:59 |
| luisv | I won't use it personally | 01:59 |
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| luisv | but if he'd compete honestly I'd be OK with that | 01:59 |
| luisv | anyway | 02:00 |
| luisv | this is threatening to make me cranky at the end of an otherwise beautiful day | 02:00 |
| luisv | so g'night :) | 02:00 |
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| paulproteus | Night, lu|sleep! | 02:01 |
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| gavinbaker | paulproteus: fwiw, i still haven't gotten the bugzilla confirm email from mozdev. | 02:27 |
| gavinbaker | or maybe it's caught in the greylist, no way of knowing. | 02:27 |
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| maelstrom | so this is the devloper channel. is there a channel for talking about the cc concept & cc licensed content ? | 14:50 |
| lu|embarassed | some of that does happen here as well | 14:54 |
| lu|embarassed | either way, I'm pretty sure this is the only CC IRC channel, so if you want something more focused you have to go to a mailing list. | 14:55 |
| maelstrom | oh | 14:55 |
| lu|embarassed | what did you want to discuss? | 14:56 |
| maelstrom | well. i kinda got sidetracked. and i forgot. but give me a minute and i'll remember | 14:57 |
| maelstrom | oh. something about noncommercial use only licenses, and how unpopular are people that choose to use them ? | 15:01 |
| lu|embarassed | depends | 15:03 |
| lu|embarassed | I believe that the NC licenses are actually the most widely used | 15:03 |
| maelstrom | isn't it really difficult to reuse NC licensed content ? because the definition of commercial is so broad ? | 15:04 |
| lu|embarassed | I'd say more 'vague' than 'broad' | 15:04 |
| lu|embarassed | but otherwise, yes, I'd sort of agree with your comment | 15:05 |
| lu|embarassed | so, yes, there is a group of people who strongly dislike the NC licenses. | 15:05 |
| lu|embarassed | see, e.g., http://freedomdefined.org/ and/or http://opensource.org | 15:05 |
| lu|embarassed | but like I said, in practice, they are very widely used. | 15:07 |
| maelstrom | well. i am about to reuse some content and release some of my own (the packaging, if you will) along with it. wondering if i will be viewed as a giant hypocrite if i make the "packaging" nc while all the content is commercial | 15:08 |
| lu|embarassed | dunno about hypocrite | 15:09 |
| lu|embarassed | it would seem mostly pointless, though | 15:09 |
| lu|embarassed | except as a marketing stunt | 15:09 |
| lu|embarassed | but I admit that it is very unclear from that statement what exactly you're doing. | 15:09 |
| maelstrom | think of it as being akin to one of those "software of the month club", where they used to fill a CD with shareware. in this case, it would be like filling a CD with free licensed software, which you can obviously do whatever you want with per the license, but the cd cover, README.txt, etc would be kept NC | 15:11 |
| lu|embarassed | so when you say "all the content is commercial" you mean "all the content is free/open, which might include commercial use"? | 15:12 |
| maelstrom | exactly | 15:13 |
| lu|embarassed | ah. | 15:13 |
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