Thursday, 2007-07-12

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rejo1rrrojer: http://calorielab.com/news/2007/07/09/six-months-of-veganism-40-pounds-of-weight-loss/00:10
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rejonnotice the way marking is done on the image00:11
rejon(cc) ITO/FLICK00:11
rejonthat is a smooth way to do it00:11
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rrrojeryea, but it doesn't say what the license is00:12
rrrojerlooks good tho00:12
rrrojerhmm00:12
rejon(cc by-nc) joi ito/flickr00:12
rejonbut its reuters style00:12
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rrrojershould we put that up as an option?00:13
rejon(<a href="http://creativecommons.org/license/by-nc/3.0">cc by-nc</a>) <a href="ATTRIBUTION_URL_TO_ORIGINAL">joi ito/flickr</a>00:13
rejonI think more like we should put a place for examples of other ways to show marking00:14
rejonfor each of the media types00:14
rejongood to track00:14
rrrojeryea00:15
rrrojerhm00:18
rrrojer..trying to think of a good way to organize that on the wiki00:18
rejon== Other Examples ==00:19
rejon* example 100:20
rejon* example 200:20
rrrojerokay00:28
rrrojeri mean the whole page in general00:28
rrrojerit seems way more confusing than it needs to be00:28
rejonyes00:28
rejonmy brain is about to explode00:28
rejonI think make each media its own page00:29
rejonlike: Marking_Audio00:29
rejonMarking_Video00:29
rejonMarking_Image00:29
rejonMarking_Images00:29
rejonMarking_Text00:29
rejonThen, need to make the basics readable of what is needed to show a creative commons license00:30
rejonneed to make it clear that there two ways to mark your work: external (on/around your work) and internal (metadata)00:31
rejonthat is a good way to look at it00:31
rejonexternal is best for now00:31
rejonCC is working on both, but be most concerned for how humans can see00:31
rejonOn each of the content pages I would make the general info for humans00:31
rejonand then have these sections00:32
rejon(summary without a header), then == Examples == (official ones), == Other Examples == (other examples elsewhere), == Internal == (with links to developer docs, embedding info about the formats for that media00:33
rejonmake sense?00:33
rejonthat should give a nice structure to the subpages that is human readable00:33
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rejonbse: the freeculture.org page is looking like how we have reconceptualized the cc page00:34
rejonIA wise00:34
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bseyeah... that's sorta looks like what we were getting at isn't it00:34
rejonI actually like the simplicity and wouldn't even mind copying the main page design00:34
rejonyah, we should just copy it00:34
rejonbut make better :)00:35
bseconceptual elements, yeah00:35
bse;)00:35
rejonyah00:35
rejonI really like the emphasis on the global view (national) and the local00:35
bsei know... i wonder if we can do that for CCi, without it looking cheesy00:35
rejonwould fit into our idea of cc blog and then aggregated jurisdiction project blog00:35
rejonYah, that would be killer00:35
rejonI also like the focus block00:36
rrrojer_rejon, bse: i got disconnected, are you still talking about marking?00:36
rejonno00:36
bseno00:36
rejonsite redream00:36
rrrojer_okay phew00:38
rejonhahaah00:38
rejonneed b33r00:38
bseah fuck, i forgot to put the beer  i bought last ngiht in the fridge00:39
bsewarm guinness :(00:39
rejonhere?00:39
rejonor at home?00:39
bseno, at home00:39
bsereminded me.00:39
rejondamn...we need to drink more00:39
* luisv highly recommends Schneider Aventinus00:42
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paulproteusrejon, "IA wise"?00:48
paulproteusre: freeculture.org00:48
rejoninformation architecture-wise00:48
paulproteusI'm deeply shocked that people think freeculture.org has a good website.00:49
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tannewtgood morning world16:13
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cameronparkinsrejon: where do you want to meet re: high priority tasks17:27
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cameronparkinsrejon: did you want to meet?18:22
paulproteusAlso, when do we leave for EFF pizza?18:22
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rejoncameronparkins: as usual, behind18:22
cameronparkinsno worries - lemme know when you have a chance18:22
cameronparkinsim struggling with this WP theme for SOM18:23
bse__what kind of issues are yo having?18:23
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paulproteusI keep thinking "School of Medicine" when I see SOM.18:24
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paulproteusToo much Hopkins over the past while..18:24
cameronparkinsi'm just all around struggling - my knowledge of WP, php, html, css, etc. gets me by18:25
cameronparkinsbut i don't neccesarilly think its great to hack something up like i do for a real project18:25
cameronparkinsnecessarily*18:25
bovinitywell i can give you some feedback once you're closer to a "beta" stage18:26
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cameronparkinsalright sounds good - I was going to mod Bjorn from CC-NL's theme18:27
cameronparkinsbut i think i might just take something simple like K2 and mod that...18:27
bovinitythere's one called Sandbox, usually a good one to start out with18:27
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bovinity*super* simple18:27
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tannewtbovinity, are you going to do a grub theme also or maybe I should modify the grub settings to get past it quicker18:31
tannewtbse_, see above18:32
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bse_tannewt, it may be better to just make the cd boot without the query.. it only complicates things18:33
tannewtbse_, right, I'm just torn because there is an advantage to loading it all into ram which is the other option18:34
bse_average user will be scared and confused18:34
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tannewtbse_, alright, I'll skip it18:35
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tannewtbse_, you think I should remove multiple desktops?18:38
bse_nah18:38
tannewtbse_, I'm worried about a overloaded bottom bar18:39
bse_true18:40
bse_set to 2 desktops, see if htat helps18:41
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gavinbakerhey paulproteus, cameron, i'm setting up the conference21:06
gavinbakerpsst paulproteus we scheduled a conference call for now21:09
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nathanygavinbaker: he's obviously forgotten because we left him @ EFF21:23
gavinbakernathany: we rescheduled when they realized there was a lunch21:24
gavinbakerapparently they were expected to be back by now21:24
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nathanyyup21:25
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gavinbaker*expecting21:34
paulproteus*hi21:35
paulproteusgavinbaker, I'm a little bit sorry but the truth is I traded being around for our call in exchange for talking with Seth Davin Schoen about cell phones.21:35
gavinbakerwhat, does he have an Openmoko too?21:35
paulproteusI had expected cameron to be talking with you without me but instead you didn't talk at all, which makes me sad.21:35
paulproteusHe just ordered one.21:35
paulproteusIt's the first cell phone he'll ever has because He Has Principles.21:35
paulproteusgavinbaker, Should I call the conf number, or what?21:36
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gavinbakerpaulproteus: you should call the conference number.21:38
paulproteusSounds good, tty there.21:39
gavinbakercameronparkins should call the conference number, too.21:39
cameronparkinsjust called21:39
cameronparkinsim entering the meeting21:39
tvolbse, do we have any other versions of those content icons (audio, video, etc) or have those icons been disavowed?21:47
bse_tvol, looking for the new ones.21:49
tvolbse_ rad thanks21:49
bse_well i have updated ones, but they aren't in proper CC icon format21:52
bse_and education is missing.21:52
bse_the old ones are around somewhere21:52
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bse_tvol, emailed.21:59
tvolbse_ thanks22:01
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rejonso many friends in here22:17
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rejontatnnewt: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Autocurated_Packages22:28
rejontannewt:22:28
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tannewtrejon, thats way low on my todo list22:32
nathanyrejon: and way low on the tech priority list, i think22:32
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rejonthat is part of the livecd project22:36
rejonof course, not as high priority as getting it working, etc22:37
rejonregardless, tannewt, that is how I would do it22:38
tannewtrejon, you should just do it then ;-)22:38
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rejon...22:40
rejontvol: issn is for the livecd project22:40
rejonits more of a serial22:40
rejonthat way don't have to buy blocks of them22:40
tvoli see22:40
rejonjust one that says it is regular publication22:40
rejonits like $75...22:40
tvolk22:41
rejonmy old journal has one: http://scalejournal.org22:41
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rejonjakin and tannewt: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Software_Release_Procedure22:46
rejonI wrote that some time ago22:46
tannewtrejon, ooh, nice, I'll bookmark it for tomorrow22:47
rejonyah, there a bunch of documents on the developer section that i wrote22:49
rejonsome over-caffeinated session of explaining how to do things ;)22:49
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rejontvol: also, can you touch base with Jen while I'm gone about linuxworld22:55
rejonshe takes care of allocating any of our resources for conferences, etc, so needs to be in the know about our "open source (snake) pit" at linuxworld22:55
tvolwill do, rejon - about logistics stuff?22:55
rejony22:55
rejonwe have talked about, but you are the pusher on this project, so need to keep her in the know22:56
tvolok22:56
rejonalso, not sure if since our booths are all combined into one *pit* if themayor and company are providing people to be at the booth, which may impact how many ppl. we need there22:56
rejonie, less22:56
rejonprolly best though to stay the course and be responsible for our own ish22:57
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rrrojerbse_: where can I find the unported emblem?23:17
cchelpbotNOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6205] ccoer/trunk/www/upgrade_from_0.7.2_to_0.7.2cc. sql: Revision: 6205 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6205&view=rev Author: paulproteus Date: 2007-07-12 16:13:26 -0700 (Thu, 12 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- already have one key Modified Paths: --------------23:17
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tannewtrrrojer, without the frame the background of the box is still white23:18
rrrojertannewt: thanks!23:19
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tannewtrrrojer, np23:21
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bsetannewt, is it at all safe to assume we'll ahve a final build by the 20th?23:23
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tannewtbse, not quite sure, depends on how stable it is23:23
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bsehmm23:24
tannewtbse, I feel like we will just because I compared our packages against the fedora 7 livecd23:24
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bsei just don't want to mark the packaging with an outrageously inaccurate date23:25
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tannewtbse, right... my target is the 20th but who knows what may be lurking23:26
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bseis all the content CC-BY? or various?23:33
rejontvol: ?23:33
tvolvarious23:33
rejonrussell's labels are the ones that we need to check on...I believe he released them into the public domain23:33
bseah23:34
rejonusing cc pd23:34
bseok, well that solves whether or not to leave the BY logo on the back. clearer that way.23:34
rejontvol: would prefer all content to be CC BY or pd23:34
rejonwell, we are putting a by on the collection23:34
rejonpackaging ;)23:34
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dotLouI have an issue with including my CC license in my website23:35
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bseholy wiki updates, batman.23:35
tannewtdotLou, what are you trying to do?23:35
tvolrejon i might agree in terms of openness but doesn't represent all our licenses then23:35
rejontvol: this is true23:36
dotLouwell it works, but it breaks my xhtml validation. I do't want that23:36
dotLoudon't*23:36
tannewtdotLou, ah, whats the error?23:36
bsein what way does it violate the validator? probably a simple fix.23:36
tvolrejon we could do just BY, wouldn't be hard23:36
dotLouwell it's the xmlns:cc and property attributes23:36
dotLoualong with xmlns:dc23:37
bseit ought to validate as XHTML+RDF23:37
dotLouxhtml+rdf?23:37
rejontvol: man, brain is melted...it can include any cc licensed content23:37
rejonBut, IMO, we can put a CC license onto the content we generate around the project, text, etc23:38
rejonI wish we had a lawyer to run these things by23:38
rejonbse tvol: I think you should ask mlinksva...my bandwidth is low23:38
tvolrejon will do23:39
tannewtbse, on the livecd there is no grub.conf but there is a splash.xpm.gz23:39
paulproteustannewt, even in /boot/grub/ ?23:39
tannewtpaulproteus, yup thats where I'm looking23:39
bsetannewt, isn't splash.xpm.gz for the tux logo?23:39
bseor is that built into kernel23:40
paulproteusHmm, anyone want to go to the BayPiggies (Bay Area Python Interest Group) meeting tonight at 7:30?23:40
tannewtbse, I thought the tux was built in23:40
tannewtpaulproteus, no thanks, its climbing night23:40
rejonnever23:45
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