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| dotLou | xhtml+rdf? | 00:04 |
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| tannewt | dotLou, not sure | 00:08 |
| bse | http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/ | 00:08 |
| tannewt | dotLou, supposedly its a standard but I have not heard of it | 00:08 |
| tannewt | dotLou, nathany would be the person to talk to, he'll be on here tomorrow | 00:08 |
| tannewt | nice bse | 00:11 |
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| bse | "CD Artwork is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license, unless otherwise noted." | 00:26 |
| bse | bingo. | 00:26 |
| dotLou | can anybody help me with http://validator.creativecommons.org/ ? | 00:31 |
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| dotLou | http://validator.creativecommons.org/validate.py?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta2.dotlou.com&submit=Parse+URI | 00:36 |
| dotLou | what are these segments? | 00:36 |
| rejon | tvol_: oh crap, we have that call in 20 min | 00:40 |
| tvol_ | rejon you in the house? | 00:41 |
| rejon | at my house :) | 00:41 |
| rejon | will skype in | 00:41 |
| tvol_ | we can do remotely | 00:41 |
| tvol_ | k | 00:41 |
| * paulproteus hopes he isn't supposed to be there and no one told him | 00:41 | |
| rejon | no, you are not in on this devious plot.........yet | 00:45 |
| tannewt | rejon, which devious plot is this? | 00:45 |
| rejon | oh this is more abstract...a write-up about some ideas | 00:47 |
| rejon | an academic paper :) | 00:47 |
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| tannewt | rejon, mind if I sit in? | 00:48 |
| rejon | sure | 00:49 |
| rejon | tvol_: is the hookup | 00:49 |
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| jakin | dotLou, it looks like it's pulling in RDFa from <a rel="license" href="... | 00:49 |
| dotLou | I'm trying to make the license link show that people have to link to my site and such, but still make the page validate. | 00:50 |
| dotLou | That didn't work =p | 00:50 |
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| jakin | you could try adding an about="your url" attribute to the link | 00:52 |
| dotLou | but it doesn't even validate yet | 00:53 |
| dotLou | I'm trying to make this work but purely with rdf in the comments | 00:54 |
| dotLou | http://beta2.dotlou.com/ | 00:55 |
| dotLou | click the cc link at the bottom | 00:55 |
| dotLou | you'll see that it says "Attribution. You must attribute this work to dotLou (with link)." | 00:55 |
| dotLou | I want to ensure this happens anyway, but still have my page validate. | 00:55 |
| dotLou | Which is loads harder then I had originally intended. | 00:55 |
| rejon | tvol: yet again, the end of the day has reached critical brain fry...what a great time to talk about a paper | 00:58 |
| rejon | gulp | 00:58 |
| tvol | yeah... | 00:58 |
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| dotLou | I really don't see why CC doesn't provide people with xhtml valid code to use :-/ | 01:03 |
| tannewt | dotLou, I think it was just changed | 01:03 |
| dotLou | ? | 01:03 |
| jakin | yeah, they're pushing rdfa instead of rdf in comments | 01:03 |
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| dotLou | well right now I don't even get comment code from the license making script | 01:04 |
| dotLou | I just get some invalid xhtml code for text to put on my site and stuff | 01:04 |
| rejon | tvol: crap, problem with my skype | 01:04 |
| rejon | can you initiate skype conference call | 01:04 |
| jakin | invalid xhtml code? | 01:04 |
| tvol | rejon we doing call or texting? | 01:04 |
| rejon | cll | 01:04 |
| dotLou | jakin: yes | 01:05 |
| dotLou | it doesn't validate. | 01:05 |
| jakin | i wonder if the validator is fully rdfa-aware | 01:05 |
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| dotLou | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fbeta2.dotlou.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline | 01:06 |
| dotLou | (that's modified a bit, since I tried switching it to rdf in comments | 01:06 |
| jakin | ah | 01:06 |
| dotLou | there, now it's back to what I had before | 01:07 |
| dotLou | click the above link | 01:07 |
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| dotLou | http://dotlou.pastebin.com/d50a6e4f6 | 01:08 |
| dotLou | that's the code I get from the cc website | 01:08 |
| dotLou | That's the code that doesn't validate. | 01:09 |
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| jakin | yeah, it looks like you're right. it's something to bring up with nathan. generating this code is pretty new... | 01:09 |
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| dotLou | I intend to use CC to license my Content Management system, and I really like the way it loads a (sort-of) custom license page, but I need to validate the website. | 01:10 |
| paulproteus | dotLou, http://dotlou.pastebin.com/m55b376cb | 01:12 |
| jakin | hmm... this says that the property attribute is XHTML 2: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2007/02/14/introducing-rdfa.html | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | You can remove the stuff that doesn't validate for you. | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | It's a nicety for when XHTML 2 is around, but you can't necessarily use it yet. | 01:12 |
| bse__ | keep in mind CC is a content license, and not a software license; your CMS app would be under something like GPL or BSD. | 01:12 |
| dotLou | the stuff that doesn't validate, is the stuff that makes the license a custom page :-/ | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | I'll ask nathany for an official answer, but the extra stuff that wasn't validating is not required. | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | dotLou, Not true; rel="license" is enough for that. | 01:12 |
| dotLou | I'll try | 01:13 |
| paulproteus | It's not enough for the future super-awesome license page, but since your document type doesn't support that, I think we'll be okay the way things are. | 01:13 |
| dotLou | nope | 01:13 |
| dotLou | doesn't work | 01:13 |
| paulproteus | What doesn't work about it? | 01:14 |
| dotLou | well I will be, but I'd much rather use this | 01:14 |
| dotLou | Well I'd love the "super-awesome license page" but I can't if I want it to validate it seems. | 01:14 |
| dotLou | I really don't see why it's not possible. | 01:14 |
| paulproteus | dotLou, There are some complications between XHTML1 and XML namespaces. | 01:14 |
| paulproteus | I think bse__ gave you a link on that. | 01:14 |
| paulproteus | Something on w3c.org. You could use XHTML2 and it would work. | 01:15 |
| paulproteus | (As I understand things.) | 01:15 |
| dotLou | he did, and I tried switching it manually, but it didn't work. | 01:15 |
| dotLou | CC should provide people with xhtml valid code, simply to follow standards. it would only make sense. | 01:15 |
| paulproteus | I agree, and I'lll ask nathany about i1. | 01:16 |
| bse__ | well, the rdf metadata we include is compatible with our license pages | 01:16 |
| paulproteus | it, even. | 01:16 |
| dotLou | thanks paulproteus. | 01:16 |
| dotLou | I appreciate everybody's time and effort. | 01:16 |
| bse__ | home now. night dudes. | 01:18 |
| tannewt | bye bse__ | 01:18 |
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| skyfaller | hey everyone... did the FSF or RMS ever officially release a statement that they are now OK with CC? | 02:19 |
| skyfaller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Culture_movement implies that RMS still opposes CC | 02:20 |
| skyfaller | but my understanding is that Lessig etc. have worked things out with them | 02:20 |
| luisv | I don't believe they have. | 02:26 |
| luisv | though saying he 'opposes' it is... well, it is just very complex | 02:27 |
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| paulproteus | Lessig sure did say at the iSummit that he and RMS had worked things out. | 03:25 |
| paulproteus | I'm not sure if he said that in a more private chat or in his big speech thing. | 03:25 |
| luisv | well, and it was mentioned in passing when one of the licenses was retired that CC would not offer new licenses which didn't at least guarantee distribution | 03:31 |
| luisv | which removes one of the big issues for FSF. | 03:31 |
| gavinbaker | right, but RMS has never really articulated (well) his problem with CC. | 03:33 |
| gavinbaker | sure, there's his by-nc-nd standard | 03:34 |
| gavinbaker | but why not support licenses that meet that standard, and denounce the rest? | 03:34 |
| gavinbaker | why denounce the organization and its licenses, and distance yourself from an allied movement? | 03:34 |
| luisv | because he doesn't see cc as allied | 03:34 |
| luisv | cc has portrayed itself as being about choice | 03:35 |
| luisv | and about being value-neutral | 03:35 |
| luisv | and the FSF is fundamentally not a value-neutral organization, or about choice | 03:35 |
| luisv | it is about defending/protecting/advancing a very specific conception of freedom | 03:35 |
| luisv | and if you're not doing the same thing (which CC deliberately is not) then you're not really on his team | 03:36 |
| luisv | or so goes the FSF thinking, more or less | 03:36 |
| gavinbaker | i always thought the choice rhetoric was more rhetoric than real | 03:39 |
| gavinbaker | though i suppose you can also judge someone by their rhetoric | 03:39 |
| luisv | yeah | 03:39 |
| rejon | larry's on FSF board | 03:40 |
| rejon | yah, I pinged mike about this too..I'm curious as well...not sure the strategy | 03:40 |
| rejon | we are just so overloaded as of late | 03:40 |
| luisv | gavinbaker: the choice rhetoric is very real for some participants | 03:41 |
| luisv | that was a real eye opener for me at the first iCommons summit | 03:41 |
| luisv | Larry clearly badly, badly wants it to be about something bigger, but feels as soon as he says that, it damages the movement for no real gains | 03:41 |
| luisv | but lots of other people there seemed very genuine in it merely being a new licensing choice for artists, or (worse) just a source of free-beer music | 03:42 |
| gavinbaker | luisv, it has to be carefully managed, to be sure, but if it's permanently about "choice" and nothing else, it fails, both on its own grounds and at achieving its real goals | 03:42 |
| luisv | I tend to agree | 03:42 |
| gavinbaker | luisv, on the other hand, lots of people there were using non-free software | 03:43 |
| luisv | but I can see how reasonable people would disagree about the tactics, even if the long-term goals are agreed upon | 03:43 |
| gavinbaker | it's clear as a movement that we lack a great deal of clarity and discipline | 03:43 |
| gavinbaker | we're not assuming RMS is reasonable now, are we? ;) | 03:43 |
| luisv | haha | 03:43 |
| luisv | oh, absolutely not | 03:43 |
| luisv | the first time I ever met him we were in a screaming match within minutes ;) | 03:43 |
| luisv | forks were threatened, trademark actions were counter-threatened | 03:44 |
| luisv | it was all great fun | 03:44 |
| poningru | beer? | 03:44 |
| poningru | someone say beer? | 03:44 |
| luisv | gavinbaker: the upside of lack of clarity/discipline is that you're a bigger tent | 03:44 |
| luisv | and more difficult to attack | 03:45 |
| luisv | it is very difficult to attack 'giving artists more choice' | 03:45 |
| luisv | it is more easy to attack 'knowledge should be shared' | 03:45 |
| gavinbaker | luisv: but people attack it anyway | 03:47 |
| gavinbaker | regardless, there was a time i was more worried about CC | 03:48 |
| gavinbaker | more clarity is coming | 03:48 |
| gavinbaker | offing some of the non-standard licenses | 03:48 |
| gavinbaker | semi-committing to a standard for future licenses | 03:48 |
| luisv | yeah, wish that commitment had been a bit more high-profile | 03:48 |
| gavinbaker | working to develop consensus in the areas of science and education | 03:48 |
| luisv | rejon: FWIW, I heard Lessig and Stallman got into some fairly heated arguments at the FSF public annual meeting in 2005 ;) | 03:49 |
| gavinbaker | as was discussed in one of the isummit panels, i really don't think we can have a definition of freedom -- yet -- for everything | 03:49 |
| gavinbaker | but we are developing consensus around definitions for some things, which is really important | 03:49 |
| gavinbaker | both on its own, and because it helps lead to developing consensus in other areas | 03:50 |
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| gavinbaker | i find access to knowledge to be a lot more important than e.g. new revenue models for marketing | 03:54 |
| gavinbaker | cc seems to be moving its priorities to the right places | 03:54 |
| gavinbaker | if it started out well-meaning but a bit aimless, it's much more on the right track now | 03:54 |
| luisv | well | 03:55 |
| luisv | the lesson from free software is that the revenue models and the knowledge access are not incompatible | 03:56 |
| luisv | and projects/licenses which work to align those incentives are the most likely to succeed | 03:56 |
| luisv | so it isn't a bad idea to at least talk about and understand the business/revenue bits. | 03:57 |
| gavinbaker | as long as you care about the ethical goal | 03:59 |
| gavinbaker | and not just turning a buck | 03:59 |
| luisv | sure | 04:00 |
| gavinbaker | well, i dunno. maybe the market's strong enough to punish the people who only care about turning a buck | 04:00 |
| luisv | and admittedly once you figure out the business model, or show even the faintest glimmer of that, you attract people who care only about the buck | 04:00 |
| luisv | but those people mostly fail | 04:00 |
| luisv | and when they don't fail, they still create new knowledge | 04:00 |
| gavinbaker | right, but what good is the equivalent of a bunch of freeware | 04:01 |
| luisv | depends on the licensing | 04:01 |
| luisv | if it is libre | 04:01 |
| luisv | then it can be re-used, expanded upon, etc., regardless of the motivation of the creators | 04:01 |
| luisv | if it is just free-beer, or not-even-really-free-beer, then yeah, that is a problem | 04:02 |
| gavinbaker | i'd expect most of the only-buck-turners to use the most restrictive licenses | 04:02 |
| luisv | which, ahem, is an argument for not offering such licenses, as RMS and others have pointed out ;) | 04:02 |
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| luisv | (since they aren't useful to the broader movement even if used by non-buck-turners) | 04:02 |
| luisv | (really... has an NC-ND licensed work, regardless of the intent of the author, made that world a much better place relative to the same work under a traditional copyright license?) | 04:04 |
| gavinbaker | it's just free beer | 04:05 |
| luisv | right. | 04:06 |
| gavinbaker | i'm not sure how important that is | 04:06 |
| poningru | gavinbaker: no dude it is important because of marketing | 04:07 |
| poningru | cc gets its word out everytime a known artist/teeny bopper uses its license | 04:07 |
| poningru | granted that happening with the latter is slim to null | 04:08 |
| luisv | what is it marketing, exactly? | 04:08 |
| luisv | I'm not sure how much CC wins by being 'cool' | 04:08 |
| luisv | and I could even construct a cogent argument that use of CC by people who don't understand the underlying issues is damaging | 04:09 |
| luisv | since later they'll realize what they've done is irrevocable and be pissed about it | 04:09 |
| poningru | luisv: I have to disagree with that because that would happen with every license no matter how free or nonfree | 04:10 |
| luisv | no, most other licenses are revocable. | 04:10 |
| gavinbaker | is the marketing they gain worth it? | 04:10 |
| poningru | and would argue that happens a lot more with proprietry license | 04:10 |
| luisv | and most other licenses operate under the fairly well-understood principle of 'I made it, I control it' | 04:10 |
| luisv | people know what they are getting into | 04:11 |
| poningru | luisv: uh... | 04:11 |
| poningru | well I was under the impression that generally that was not the case with majority of bands that sign with major production studios | 04:11 |
| luisv | which is understood to reflect poorly on the studios, not on copyright or on the license. | 04:12 |
| luisv | when people are confused about CC, they don't blame it on the studios, they blame it on CC. | 04:12 |
| poningru | well cc should education people then | 04:13 |
| luisv | right | 04:13 |
| luisv | which doesn't happen when a pop star uses nc-nd | 04:13 |
| poningru | but that wont happen untill they inquire about it | 04:13 |
| luisv | ah, yes | 04:13 |
| poningru | luisv: educating people will only work when they are mildly interested | 04:13 |
| luisv | just like no one knew about free software until microsoft started using it | 04:13 |
| luisv | oh, wait ;) | 04:13 |
| poningru | luisv: no not until a killer app started using it | 04:14 |
| poningru | i.e apache on linux | 04:14 |
| poningru | and netscape | 04:14 |
| luisv | right, neither of which are under compromised/weak licenses | 04:14 |
| luisv | the claim that 'we have to have NC-ND so that pop acts will use it and publicize the license' indicates a lack of faith that good artists will use BY-SA | 04:15 |
| luisv | and given that 5 years in, there has been no music/video 'killer app' under NC-ND suggests that the compromise approach doesn't work either | 04:16 |
| luisv | (4 years?) | 04:16 |
| poningru | no it just indicates a lack of faith in the community to accept our licenses at all | 04:16 |
| poningru | perhaps because of lack of knowledge | 04:17 |
| poningru | they dont know about us at all | 04:17 |
| poningru | or miseducation: | 04:17 |
| poningru | GAAAH COMMUNIST!!! | 04:17 |
| poningru | miseducation? yeah I dont know where that came from either | 04:17 |
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| poningru | luisv: keep in mind though even in the software world there are open source software | 04:18 |
| poningru | with similar requirements | 04:19 |
| poningru | though not the exact same | 04:19 |
| luisv | which arguably (1) are mostly failures (can you name a single successful project with a license which is more restrictive than the Open Source Definition?) and (2) confuse both the message and the audience for the message | 04:20 |
| luisv | most of us view those licenses as a problem to be solved, not something we want highly successful projects to use | 04:20 |
| poningru | ok point true | 04:20 |
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| luisv | but like I said earlier, eliminating those licenses means CC is more overtly ideological | 04:23 |
| luisv | which has its own problems | 04:23 |
| poningru | what I am arguing is that we just dont know what the vast majority of artists are willing to give up as their rights, so perhaps until we become popular enough and most artists know about us we should keep the free beer license | 04:23 |
| poningru | 0.0 | 04:24 |
| poningru | I was arguing with luis villa??? | 04:25 |
| * poningru goes to bed tired | 04:25 | |
| luisv | haha | 04:26 |
| luisv | I'm just this guy ;) | 04:26 |
| poningru | you are the gnome guy right? | 04:26 |
| luisv | yeah | 04:26 |
| poningru | ... | 04:26 |
| luisv | and you may well be right | 04:26 |
| luisv | the popularity question is a hard one | 04:26 |
| luisv | the tradeoff may be worth it | 04:27 |
| luisv | impossible to know for sure, of course | 04:27 |
| poningru | right | 04:27 |
| * luisv should probably sleep too | 04:27 | |
| * luisv has to drive tomorrow :/ | 04:27 | |
| poningru | where ya going? | 04:28 |
| luisv | asheville, nc | 04:29 |
| luisv | meeting my dad and step-mom for a weekend | 04:29 |
| * poningru wonders what crazy gnome... | 04:29 | |
| poningru | nvm | 04:29 |
| luisv | since I don't really have time to go home this summer | 04:29 |
| luisv | hah, no, no gnome stuff | 04:29 |
| luisv | <- trying to be a lawyer rather than a hacker this summer | 04:29 |
| poningru | hehe | 04:29 |
| poningru | nn | 04:30 |
| poningru | have fun | 04:30 |
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| tvol | http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/44225-internet-radio-receives-11th-hour-reprieve | 16:15 |
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| bse | great news | 16:45 |
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| rejon | bse: what news? | 16:58 |
| bse | http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/44225-internet-radio-receives-11th-hour-reprieve as tim posted | 16:59 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6206] liblicense/trunk/README: Revision: 6206 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6206&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 09:56:48 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- A little about Liblicense Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/README This was sent by the SourceForge.net | 17:01 |
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| tvol | ok rejon t minus two hours.....go! | 17:01 |
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| rejon | bse: is that cool to do the web session on monday afternoon jul 23? | 17:43 |
| rejon | i sent out time | 17:43 |
| rejon | gcal | 17:43 |
| rejon | bse: ! | 17:45 |
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| bse | rejon, yes | 18:01 |
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| gavinbaker | was your SF Salon really at 1337 Mission St? | 18:26 |
| gavinbaker | that's a great address. | 18:26 |
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| bse | indeed | 18:29 |
| paulproteus | gavinbaker, I thought so last year, too. | 18:31 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6208] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6208 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6208&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 12:20:30 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- A completely re-done io module system. Basically all modules are loaded in ll_init() using data from LL_MODULE_DEFINE(...), which all | 19:21 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6210] liblicense/trunk/licenses/Makefile.am: Revision: 6210 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6210&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:19:39 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Build system fix to include licenses in the distribution tarball. Modified Paths: -------------- | 20:21 |
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| rejon | heya, jakin and tannewt: are you going to have to re-tag the release? I saw new changes come in | 20:28 |
| tannewt | rejon, well jason committed 0.2 stuff but there are a few Makefile errors in the currently tagged versions | 20:29 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6211] liblicense/trunk: Revision: 6211 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6211&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:33:02 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Include vcedit.h in the distribution tarball. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/trunk/licenses/Makefile.am | 20:34 |
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| rejon | tannewt: ok, enough to require a 0.1.1 | 20:38 |
| rejon | ? | 20:38 |
| rejon | the makefile errors? | 20:38 |
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| paulproteus | bse, http://creativecommons.org/about/alumni is a broken link (as followed from http://creativecommons.org/about/people ) | 20:38 |
| paulproteus | *sniffle* | 20:38 |
| bse | /about/people/alumni | 20:39 |
| bse | you need the trailing slash for the link to work | 20:39 |
| bse | (thx WP...) | 20:39 |
| paulproteus | FWIW google.com doesn't index alumni because it knows about /about/people not /about/people/ | 20:40 |
| paulproteus | So it can't follow the alumni link. | 20:40 |
| bse | super | 20:40 |
| bse | we need a better page permalink generator for WP | 20:41 |
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| tannewt | rejon, no, since we haven't actually released it yet | 20:42 |
| tannewt | rejon, we'll just make the fixes in tags and trunk and test builds earlier next time | 20:43 |
| rejon | :) all is well...that always happens :)... | 20:44 |
| tannewt | rejon, at least I found it before the release | 20:44 |
| tannewt | rejon, one mistake was that it didn't package the license files :-) | 20:45 |
| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6212] liblicense/trunk/modules/io/Makefile.am: Revision: 6212 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6212&view=rev Author: jakin44 Date: 2007-07-13 13:47:43 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Oh joy, prevent compile failure when libxml2 isn't present Modified Paths: -------------- | 20:48 |
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| cchelpbot | NOTICE: SF.net SVN: cctools: [6215] liblicense/tags/0.1: Revision: 6215 http://cctools.svn.sourceforge.net/cctools/?rev=6215&view=rev Author: tannewt Date: 2007-07-13 13:54:35 -0700 (Fri, 13 Jul 2007) Log Message: ----------- Build fixes. Modified Paths: -------------- liblicense/tags/0.1/licenses/Makefile.am liblicense/tags/0.1/modules/io/Makefile.am This | 20:56 |
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| tannewt | rejon, do we have a freshmeat account? | 21:41 |
| rejon | no | 21:41 |
| rejon | what is your username? | 21:41 |
| rejon | I'll add you to it | 21:41 |
| rejon | to the cctools project so you can do releases | 21:42 |
| tannewt | oh, on freshmeat? | 21:42 |
| tannewt | rejon, its tannewt | 21:43 |
| paulproteus | Wow, what a strange username for you. | 21:43 |
| tannewt | I know | 21:44 |
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| rejon | sorry, got distracted | 21:51 |
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| paulproteus | Hey, tannewt, what license is liblicense? | 21:52 |
| paulproteus | Guess I'll go read the wiki page. | 21:52 |
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| rejon | tannewt: oh, you have to create the project | 21:52 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, CC-GPL | 21:52 |
| rejon | just add me, jakin, nathan to the project too | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | It seems that LGPL would be more appropriate. | 21:53 |
| paulproteus | rejon, What do you think? | 21:53 |
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| paulproteus | e-star, Sweden? | 21:53 |
| tannewt | rejon and jakin, what do you think of this potential post for liblicense: http://pastebin.com/d3caa1736 | 21:53 |
| e-star | paulproteus: yup | 21:55 |
| paulproteus | Like why? And how can you afford to be totally everywhere? | 21:55 |
| e-star | paulproteus: hahaha, i can't | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | Not that there's anything wrong with Sweden! | 21:56 |
| e-star | paulproteus: here w/ effoveks | 21:56 |
| paulproteus | Ah, cool. | 21:56 |
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| jakin | tannewt, i'm afraid that i'd be too much | 22:00 |
| jakin | *it'd | 22:01 |
| tannewt | ok | 22:01 |
| tannewt | jakin, I thought it would be better for a bigger release | 22:02 |
| jakin | it's cool overall.... it seems like it could be used for something other than a release announcement, but I'm not sure what that would be | 22:04 |
| rejon | yes, you are right the library should be lgpl...if all just gpl, then no company can use this library...gulp....looks like 0.1.1 ;) | 22:09 |
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| rejon | yah, its good text....tannewt and I just discussed to save for 0.2 | 22:18 |
| rejon | jakin: paulproteus is working on patch so we can do 0.1.1 | 22:18 |
| tannewt | jakin, we have to rerelease it because it hsould be LGPL | 22:18 |
| rejon | ;) | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | Zero point fifteen. | 22:18 |
| tannewt | 0.15 | 22:18 |
| paulproteus | < 0.2 | 22:19 |
| tannewt | jakin, what do you think? | 22:19 |
| paulproteus | <3 | 22:19 |
| jakin | tannewt, about the license? | 22:21 |
| tannewt | jakin, no, the version number | 22:21 |
| jakin | i don't understand why we're worrying about gpl/lgpl for this release | 22:22 |
| tannewt | jakin, true, just release 0.2 (with features) under lgpl | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | paulproteus@asheesh:~/cctools/liblicense/trunk $ sh autogen.sh | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | You need to install gnome-common from the GNOME CVS | 22:22 |
| paulproteus | Are you serious, tannewt? | 22:22 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, blame jon | 22:23 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, That's surely an option, I just fear people commenting on the blogosphere saying, "That makes no sense for a library". | 22:23 |
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| jakin | 'autoreconf --force --install' would work instead of ./autogen.sh | 22:24 |
| paulproteus | jakin, It's okay, I seem to be missing gnome-devel | 22:24 |
| rejon | cool | 22:24 |
| jakin | paulproteus, yeah, but we don't actually have any gnome dep | 22:25 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Oh, that's dumb. | 22:25 |
| jakin | that command above does the same thing | 22:25 |
| jakin | without gnome | 22:25 |
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| paulproteus | jakin, Check it out: | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | paulproteus@asheesh:~/cctools/liblicense/trunk $ autoreconf --force --install | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | aclocal:configure.ac:133: warning: macro `AM_PATH_LIBFLAC' not found in library | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | aclocal:configure.ac:133: warning: macro `AM_PATH_LIBFLAC' not found in library | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | configure.ac:145: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_LIBFLAC | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. | 22:28 |
| paulproteus | See the Autoconf documentation. | 22:28 |
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| paulproteus | autoreconf: /usr/bin/autoconf failed with exit status: 1 | 22:28 |
| * paulproteus is sad he didn't get kicked for excess flood | 22:28 | |
| jakin | hmm, that's something that libFLAC installs | 22:28 |
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| jakin | paulproteus, i could copy it into acinclude.m4, but as long as the distributed tarball doesn't require it (which it doesn't), i'm happy | 22:31 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Oh, good point! | 22:32 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Are you using a bug tracker? | 22:43 |
| jakin | paulproteus, not yet | 22:43 |
| paulproteus | The INSTALL file is worse than worthless, and I'd like to file a bug about that. | 22:43 |
| paulproteus | It's the autoconf-created one. | 22:43 |
| rejon | yah, ok, lets just get this done now | 22:43 |
| rejon | yes, INSTALL sux, etc | 22:44 |
| paulproteus | (The "worse than worthless" claim should have been prefixed with "in my egostical opinion".) | 22:44 |
| rejon | IMEO | 22:44 |
| jakin | paulproteus, i'm trained to ignore that file | 22:47 |
| paulproteus | jakin, I think we should svn:ignore it and delete it for future versions. | 22:47 |
| paulproteus | Any objection? | 22:47 |
| jakin | it's required by autotools | 22:47 |
| paulproteus | I've svn deleted INSTALL and set svn:ignore to ignore INSTALL. | 22:49 |
| paulproteus | autoreconf will recreate it, which is fine. | 22:49 |
| paulproteus | Just so long as users never get that junk. | 22:50 |
| paulproteus | Some packages really do have useful INSTALL files, so I do read them, and then I see the default one and need to fight it. (-: | 22:50 |
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| jakin | paulproteus, the solution is to have a useful INSTALL file. we run ./autogen.sh, which recreates the INSTALL file and 'make dist' will still distribute that INSTALL file | 22:54 |
| cameronparkins | rejon: what was the final call on the name for the advocacy wiki page? participate correct? | 22:54 |
| paulproteus | I see now that make dist will distribute that file. If we make a useful INSTALL file, will autogen.sh *not* overwrite it? | 22:55 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Also, I hear you think we should still GPL some parts. | 22:55 |
| paulproteus | The binaries (e.g., tests), for example. | 22:55 |
| bse | autoconf --add-missing creates it if it doesn't already exist | 22:56 |
| bse | along with the other "necessary" files | 22:56 |
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| paulproteus | Let's agree on the license stuff now, and ship 0.2 with the licensing fixed, and fight over autoconf for the follow-up release. | 22:57 |
| jakin | paulproteus, i think we should think about before automatically jumping to "change everything to LGPL" | 22:57 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Sure, I'm definitely willing to think about it. | 22:57 |
| paulproteus | I want that people who write proprietary software be able to use this. | 22:57 |
| paulproteus | I also want the terms of distribution to be very clear to understand. | 22:57 |
| paulproteus | I think that the best way to do that is to make the whole package LGPL. | 22:58 |
| jakin | LGPL doesn't even make sense for the RDF licenses | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | I think that if we do some parts GPL, some parts LGPL, it makes life harder for downstream users without making anything actually better. | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Well, they were already GPL'd. (-; | 22:58 |
| jakin | LGPL refers to "object code" | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | They contain text - the translations - so they're not pure data. | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | GPL also refers to object code: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html | 22:59 |
| paulproteus | At the GPLv3 conference, people asked Richard about the problems with using GPL(v2) for artwork, and he said, "There's no problem!" | 22:59 |
| paulproteus | (The first one, MIT Jan 2006, that is.) | 22:59 |
| rejon | tvol: mike will prolly schedule meeting to go through wikifarming content in more depth...wiki integration...etc...fyi | 23:00 |
| rejon | just you and him | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | If the RDF files were pure data I'd say there are no copyrightable elements and that therefore we should state that we feel that way. | 23:00 |
| rejon | next week | 23:00 |
| tvol | rejon ok | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | They're not, though, because of the translations, so we should make sure downstream users have some freedoms. | 23:00 |
| jakin | that was exactly my impression when they were first licensed | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | jakin, I'm confused - what precisely was the impression you had? | 23:01 |
| jakin | well, i'm less concerned with RDF generated by a script than the rest of the code | 23:01 |
| jakin | licensing machine-generated RDF | 23:01 |
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| paulproteus | Well, it's machine-generated as a transform on copyrightable work - the natural language translation text. | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | Anyway, I'm confused, jakin. | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | What are you concerned by? Let's work on those issues. | 23:03 |
| jakin | let's forget the RDF... | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | Sure, okay. | 23:03 |
| jakin | we shouldn't be so quick to change the license without discussion by all those who hold the copyright on it | 23:04 |
| paulproteus | I totally agree, and apologize. | 23:04 |
| paulproteus | I'm an outsider to the project, and I mentioned this in the office, and rejon said it sounded reasonable, and in the excitement I forgot that you also contributed to it. | 23:04 |
| cameronparkins | tvol: can you move http://wiki.creativecommons.org/How_to_Participate off of the main page on the wikie and add http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Participate | 23:05 |
| paulproteus | jakin, So I think that proprietary software vendors should be able to link to liblicense. How do you feel about that? | 23:06 |
| tvol | cameronparkins affirmativo - did you get admin from rejon? | 23:06 |
| jakin | yeah, i'm fine with LGPL, although I don't take it as a given that just because it's a library it should be LGPL. | 23:06 |
| cameronparkins | nah not yet - im trying...rejon? | 23:06 |
| paulproteus | That makes total sense, jakin. | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | Are there any files that shouldn't get LGPL'd, or is it okay to relicense the whole thing? | 23:07 |
| paulproteus | My perspective on that question is that it's easier for everyone if there's only one license for any particular archive file. | 23:08 |
| cameronparkins | tvol: how do you dlete a wiki page | 23:08 |
| cameronparkins | delete* | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | For example, it makes the life of a Debian maintainer way easier if a work is entirely under one license. | 23:08 |
| paulproteus | Well, "way" easier is comparative. For an easy-to-package thing like this, it's a big difference. For something enormous, then a note in debian/copyright is noise compared to the huge work of e.g. packaging OpenOffice.org and patching its build system etc. | 23:09 |
| tvol | cameronparkins you may need admin for that | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | jakin, What do you think about that? | 23:10 |
| jakin | paulproteus, i'm not really convinced that it's easier | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Please make me a bureaucrat on the CC wiki. | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | rejon, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Special:Userrig | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | hts | 23:11 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Having packaged things for Debian, I can say it is easier from that perspective. | 23:11 |
| rejon | thx | 23:11 |
| jakin | i'd say just leave it however it is for now (LGPL or GPL) | 23:12 |
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| paulproteus | jakin, Okay, right now the source repository has everything LGPL. | 23:12 |
| paulproteus | I'm sorry about making a change like that without asking you first, and I wish I had thought of it. | 23:13 |
| jakin | paulproteus, it's cool now :-) | 23:13 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Okay, cool. (-: | 23:13 |
| rejon | cameronparkins: hold on, I need to be made a bureaucrat first | 23:14 |
| cameronparkins | no prob | 23:15 |
| rejon | cameronparkins: what is your username on the wiki | 23:18 |
| rejon | paulproteus, same for you | 23:19 |
| cameronparkins | Cameron Parkins | 23:19 |
| rejon | anyone else need access | 23:19 |
| paulproteus | rejon, I'm paulproteus | 23:19 |
| rejon | excellent...I like to spread out the authority to help farm the wiki | 23:20 |
| rejon | cameronparkins: you are now admin | 23:21 |
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| rejon | paulproteus: you are now admin and bureaucrat | 23:21 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Sweet. | 23:21 |
| cameronparkins | rejon: thanks a ton...before you leave today can i grab that lil wayne | 23:21 |
| cameronparkins | i wanna educate myself while you are gone | 23:22 |
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| tannewt | paulproteus, let me know when 0.2 is up | 23:22 |
| rejon | yah | 23:26 |
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| paulproteus | https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=80503 reports 0.2, rejon and tannewt | 23:37 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, rock! thanks | 23:37 |
| paulproteus | And jakin too! | 23:37 |
| jakin | :-) | 23:38 |
| jakin | gonna tag it in svn? | 23:41 |
| paulproteus | jakin, Er, yes. (-: | 23:41 |
| paulproteus | Got distracted while trying to make releaseforge work (a non-web desktop GUI to doing sf.net releases...). | 23:41 |
| rejon | liblicense has a new contributor! | 23:43 |
| rejon | cool! | 23:43 |
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| paulproteus | There we go, jakin. (-: | 23:46 |
| jakin | cool, cool | 23:48 |
| paulproteus | Apparently I released your modules stuff. | 23:48 |
| paulproteus | I hope that's okay.... | 23:48 |
| jakin | hehe | 23:48 |
| jakin | yeah, so i completely rewrote how modules are handled and written all yesterday | 23:49 |
| jakin | :-P | 23:49 |
| tannewt | jakin, is it documented on the liblicense wiki page? | 23:49 |
| jakin | tannewt, no | 23:49 |
| paulproteus | Well, it's still zero point whatever. | 23:50 |
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| tannewt | jakin, alright, that should be done sometime | 23:50 |
| jakin | yeah, i'll take care of that | 23:50 |
| tannewt | jakin, sweet | 23:51 |
| jakin | my biggest concern with the modules would be if writing a license could screw up a file :-/ | 23:52 |
| tannewt | true | 23:53 |
| paulproteus | Some tests demonstrating that doesn't happen would probably let you relax. | 23:53 |
| jakin | oh, i'm relaxed... i write perfect code | 23:53 |
| paulproteus | That's a relief! | 23:55 |
| tannewt | jakin, I know | 23:55 |
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