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| bashusr | hello... | 00:05 |
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| bashusr | does CC-NC-SA protect PHP code? | 00:06 |
| bashusr | i have heard some weird things like people can use the PHP code as much as they want as long as they are not selling it or something like that | 00:06 |
| bashusr | and i'm very confused over the matter... | 00:06 |
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| mlinksva | bashusr, cc does not recommend using cc licenses for code | 00:37 |
| bashusr | mlinksva: what is recommended then? | 00:38 |
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| mlinksva | any of the licenses found on http://opensource.org | 00:46 |
| mlinksva | bashusr, | 00:46 |
| bashusr | got any suggestion for a license that would allow me to use the code commercially, but allow non-commercial use for free? | 00:50 |
| bashusr | or do i have to do something complicated like dual-license? | 00:50 |
| bashusr | mlinksva: | 00:51 |
| bashusr | :) | 00:51 |
| mlinksva | bashusr, read up on how mysql does that with GPL | 01:03 |
| bashusr | mlinksva: but it's so complicated! | 01:03 |
| paulproteus | bashusr, It's actually not so bad. | 01:03 |
| paulproteus | The key is that if you're the only copyright holder you can do whatever you want. | 01:03 |
| bashusr | mlinksva: i just have a relatively small PHP program | 01:03 |
| paulproteus | Even "violate the GPL". | 01:03 |
| paulproteus | Because you're not bound to the terms of the GPL for your own use of the program. | 01:04 |
| bashusr | paulproteus: but is there any way i can keep others from using my product commercially? | 01:04 |
| paulproteus | The GPL does give *other people* certain rights, but it doesn't restrict you - do you see what I mean? | 01:04 |
| bashusr | yeah, i understand that... | 01:04 |
| paulproteus | Okay, right. | 01:05 |
| bashusr | paulproteus: but i want to require companies to pay for this product if they are using it commercially | 01:05 |
| bashusr | paulproteus: GPL would allow anyone anywhere to use the product | 01:07 |
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| paulproteus | I guess you'll have to find a non-open-source license to use. | 01:08 |
| paulproteus | I've seen people use a CC license for code, but we don't recommend it. | 01:09 |
| bashusr | paulproteus: may i ask why? | 01:09 |
| paulproteus | bashusr, I actually have to run. | 01:12 |
| bashusr | ok. | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | I think software was just never part of the considerations in the licenses. | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | If you want open source or Free Software, go that route - those licenses are well-tested. | 01:12 |
| paulproteus | Freedoms for software are the realm of a different group, and have been though about much more by those groups. | 01:13 |
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| bashusr | paulproteus: you think it's "wrong" to want to allow my code to be used non-commercially for a fee? | 01:13 |
| bashusr | err | 01:13 |
| bashusr | for free and commercially for a fee*? | 01:13 |
| mlinksva | bashusr, i have to run too, but there are people who do what you're thinking (eg "freeware" often is like that) but no public licenses that handle it, at least not widely used. | 01:24 |
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| alankelon | hi! I didn't received any comment on my google soc proposal... Is this ok? | 16:47 |
| mlinksva | alankelon, yes it is. | 16:51 |
| mlinksva | as currently ranked it should get accepted but there's always a chance google will give us fewer than expected, so we'll see for sure tomorrow | 16:52 |
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| alankelon | mlinksva, hmmm. I got it... Google should give us better status messages... | 17:09 |
| alankelon | mlinksva, do you have any information about the number of available slots this year? | 17:11 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Microsoft Office Addin <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Microsoft_Office_Addin> | 17:19 |
| mlinksva | alankelon, google provides a mentor indicator that probably have 5, but we'll see how many they actually give us. | 17:25 |
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| rejo1 | whoa 28 ppl in here | 18:14 |
| paulproteus | We're all eagerly awaiting the SoC news! | 18:14 |
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| rejon_conference | oh | 18:14 |
| * rejon_conference is sitting in conference with 70% lawyers on UGC | 18:15 | |
| paulproteus | UGC? | 18:15 |
| paulproteus | University of Google Corporation? | 18:15 |
| paulproteus | Ubuntu General Counsel? | 18:15 |
| paulproteus | Unified Globular Cluster? | 18:15 |
| rejon_conference | pretty much | 18:17 |
| rejon_conference | its all being discussed | 18:17 |
| rejon_conference | i'm just trying to talk to heavys | 18:17 |
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| alankelon`coding | rejon, how CC works? | 18:29 |
| alankelon`coding | do you attend to audio/video conferences very often? | 18:30 |
| alankelon`coding | you = all CC members | 18:30 |
| alankelon`coding | I asked to rejon, but of course any CC board member may answer ;-) | 18:32 |
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| alankelon`coding | hey soc guys. what did you proposed? | 18:34 |
| alankelon`coding | paulproteus? | 18:35 |
| rejon_conference | alankelon`coding: yes...at conference right now | 18:36 |
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| alankelon | rejon, http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CCPA? | 18:37 |
| rejon_conference | alankelon: sorry, I'm a bit idle at the moment at this conf... | 18:39 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Developer <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developer> | 18:39 |
| alankelon | rejon_conference, don't worry :-) see you latter... | 18:41 |
| bovinity | gmail is really flaky today | 18:44 |
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| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Science Commons News: EU Commissioner calls for emphasis on knowledge <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7381> | 18:56 |
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| rejon_conf | "DRM in music is dead" -- fred von lohman (5 seconds ago) | 21:49 |
| rejon_conf | hahahahahhahahaah | 21:50 |
| rejon_conf | "going the way of the dodo" | 21:50 |
| paulproteus | I <3 Fred Von Lohman | 21:53 |
| rejon_conf | eff vs nbc | 21:59 |
| rejon_conf | great to watch | 21:59 |
| paulproteus | Did you see this gaim -> pidgin rename nonsense? | 21:59 |
| bovinity | they could have at least called it pigeon. | 21:59 |
| bovinity | pidgin sounds like tehy can't spell. | 21:59 |
| rejon_conf | yah totally | 22:00 |
| rejon_conf | sounds racist | 22:00 |
| paulproteus | Hah. | 22:00 |
| paulproteus | I wish wish wish they had talked to EFF. | 22:00 |
| rejon_conf | but it explains why they've been doing that lame gaim 2.0.0 beta 1-----1000 bs | 22:00 |
| paulproteus | rejon, Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. | 22:00 |
| rejon_conf | well, they prolly had google behind them | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | Oh, huh. | 22:01 |
| rejon_conf | since the goog employs many of the key gaim/pidgin developers | 22:01 |
| paulproteus | I forgot about that. | 22:01 |
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| aphid | pidgin makes a lot more sense than pigeon | 22:12 |
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| bovinity | does pidgin have some secondary meaning? | 22:13 |
| aphid | beyond spontaneously synthesized language? | 22:13 |
| bovinity | i see, that does make more sense then | 22:15 |
| bovinity | they do mix the meaning up by calling the text based client Finch, though. | 22:15 |
| paulproteus | The problem is now I'm going to have to explain how to spell pidgin | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | I'm thinking of having an "autofork" that just changes strings and binary name. | 22:17 |
| paulproteus | And hosting it at gaim.makesad.us. | 22:17 |
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| paulproteus | I'm trying get a feel for exactly how bad an idea this is. | 22:18 |
| aphid | not sure what the difference between a pidgin and a patois is. maybe patois is a set of particular geocentric pidgins | 22:18 |
| aphid | my cousin studies linguistics, i'll ask him | 22:18 |
| bovinity | see also, creole. | 22:19 |
| aphid | "Patois" is a French term referring to regional languages of France, which include some creole languages, but in Jamaica it refers to Jamaican Creole | 22:24 |
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