| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Kompoz <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7290> | 00:07 |
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| rejo1 | hi... | 00:51 |
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| rejon_office | hi bobchao | 00:52 |
| rejon_office | welcome | 00:52 |
| BobChao | rejon_office: hi :) | 00:53 |
| rejon_office | yah, i'll reply to your emails shortly ;) | 00:53 |
| BobChao | rejon_office: ok, thank you :) | 00:54 |
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| paulproteus | rejon, BTW, have you heard of "gshrooms"? It sounds very cool. | 01:18 |
| paulproteus | http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/projects/gshrooms/ | 01:18 |
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| WillySilly | been undeveloped for sometime | 01:53 |
| WillySilly | I was trying it out when raphael was working on it at the near of SoC | 01:53 |
| paulproteus | That's sad. | 01:54 |
| WillySilly | yeah | 01:54 |
| paulproteus | I wonder, rejon, if it would be a good SoC project to maintain it, bring it up to speed with Rhythmbox and gaim and gstreamer, and get packages into Debian and Ubuntu, and integrate CC support. (-: | 01:54 |
| WillySilly | integration with Telepathy would be cool | 01:55 |
| WillySilly | or making it so its player independent | 01:56 |
| WillySilly | or player agnostic with dbus | 01:56 |
| WillySilly | lots of possiblities | 01:59 |
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| cchelpbot | New news from http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/index.php?title=special:recentchanges&feed=rss: Scholars Copyright Integration <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Scholars_Copyright_Integration> | 13:47 |
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| alankelon | hello! I'm considering apply to CC's Google SoC project, but I would like to get some feedback before. | 17:39 |
| alankelon | the project I choose is "Extend the CcNutch codebase to support RDFa and image, audio, or video search (using scoped metadata, not image/audio/video analysis!)" | 17:39 |
| alankelon | could anybody give me ccnuth status? | 17:39 |
| rejon_home | Hmmm...I dunno off top of my head | 17:40 |
| rejon_home | mlinksva or nathany are best to ask | 17:40 |
| rejon_home | I think best to email questions to the cc-devel@lists.ibiblio.org mailing list at present | 17:40 |
| alankelon | rejon, thank you :) | 17:44 |
| alankelon | rejon, I'm looking the archives right now | 17:44 |
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| Zaba | hey guys.. | 18:34 |
| tannewt | hi Zaba | 18:34 |
| Zaba | is there any channel for license discussion? | 18:34 |
| Zaba | not dev channel | 18:34 |
| Zaba | cause i got a problem with people mistaking creative commons and copyright.. | 18:35 |
| tannewt | hmm | 18:35 |
| Zaba | they've never heard of CC, and hardly know what copyright is.. | 18:35 |
| tannewt | what are you licnesing? | 18:36 |
| Zaba | it's not me, but it's a text work | 18:36 |
| tannewt | ah, hmm | 18:36 |
| Zaba | so they think, that can't copy/modify the work, but the license allows it (share alike) | 18:38 |
| tannewt | ah | 18:39 |
| tannewt | you could point them to the CC movies | 18:39 |
| Zaba | hmm | 18:39 |
| Zaba | i see | 18:40 |
| rejon_home | this is ok to discuss all cc issues | 18:42 |
| Zaba | ok | 18:43 |
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| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: Eduserv Foundation <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7292> | 21:35 |
| tannewt | hi mlinksva | 21:36 |
| mlinksva | hey | 21:53 |
| mlinksva | tannewt, | 21:53 |
| tannewt | mlinksva, I'm excited for this summer. | 21:55 |
| mlinksva | cool, me too | 21:55 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: NetSquared Conference 2007: Innovation Awards <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7293> | 21:55 |
| tannewt | mlinksva, how many technical interns are there? | 21:57 |
| rejon | two gajillion emails | 21:58 |
| mlinksva | tannewt, still being decided, yr the first one we made an offer to. there are a couple other good ones but we are working out office arrangements and such (we are moving about a block in two weeks) | 21:58 |
| rejon | i'm curious too | 21:58 |
| tannewt | mlinksva, awesome, your offices now were pretty nice | 21:59 |
| tannewt | s/were/are | 21:59 |
| rejon | yah, the new one is diff. but our own | 22:01 |
| tannewt | nice, no more dogs then? | 22:01 |
| mlinksva | no more dogs | 22:02 |
| rejon | muzzled | 22:03 |
| mlinksva | i can hear one barking right now :) | 22:03 |
| tannewt | :-) | 22:03 |
| rejon | that reminds me, I forgot to do my conference call tasklist filibuster yesterday | 22:04 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: OPENSTUDIO: Open art project, open art community, both? <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7294> | 22:45 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Hey, you got the internship offer? Congrats. (-: | 22:50 |
| paulproteus | We should have distro flame wars in the office if you come. | 22:50 |
| paulproteus | I don't mean a flame war with text, either. | 22:50 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, yeah | 22:50 |
| tannewt | I better make a flame proof suit | 22:50 |
| * tannewt grins | 22:50 | |
| paulproteus | You'll have a month or so; I won't be there until July. | 22:50 |
| tannewt | so you'll be there? any tips on finding a place to stay? | 22:51 |
| paulproteus | I Craigslisted for a place that was $650 a month. | 22:51 |
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| paulproteus | What's the date range on the internship this year? Mine was only the first week of August, so I managed talk my renter into letting me crash without paying rent. (-: | 22:51 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, you have roommates? | 22:51 |
| paulproteus | House sharing is what I'd recommend, and if possible, bike to work rather than e.g. bussing it. | 22:51 |
| tannewt | I was thinking of taking the bart | 22:52 |
| paulproteus | I stayed in a house with four people (including me). No roommates, but housemates. | 22:52 |
| rejon | live in the mission or closer | 22:52 |
| rejon | don't live far away | 22:52 |
| rejon | too crazy | 22:52 |
| bovinity | avoid living in the east bay | 22:52 |
| Tectonic | Could someone guide me to where I should be looking to read about how to integrate CC licensing onto a website I'm developing? I'm not quite sure what software I need in order to implement CC on the site... | 22:52 |
| rejon | bit the bullet, live close | 22:52 |
| paulproteus | rejon++ # close++ | 22:53 |
| rejon | no car, near office, fastpass + quick transportation | 22:53 |
| rejon | Tectonic: what are you trying to do? | 22:53 |
| rejon | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Syndication for feeds | 22:53 |
| rejon | http://labs.creativecommons.org/ shows how you can use our metadata for your site | 22:54 |
| rejon | that openstudio project .... hmmmm.... | 22:54 |
| rejon | typical mit ;) | 22:54 |
| Tectonic | I'm wanting to use CC licensing in order to allow developers that upload content on my site...I want them to be able to sign a contract with me, basically, saying that my site can earn money on their submission in the form of providing their content with a donation link where they will recieve donations, but I will skim some percent off of the donations. | 22:54 |
| rejon | well, you need a dual license it seems | 22:55 |
| paulproteus | You've confused me; I don't know of any CC license that says precisely that. | 22:55 |
| rejon | basically, you want to use a cc license and then a separate agreement for doing what you want | 22:55 |
| Tectonic | one for licensing between me and the developer, and one for between users and the content? | 22:55 |
| rejon | no, dual licensing the user-submitted-content | 22:55 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, ah, no commute? I was thinking of being there mid june through august | 22:56 |
| rejon | i moved right to downtown to avoid commute | 22:56 |
| rejon | i walk to work now | 22:56 |
| rejon | (when there is no sickness in the office) | 22:57 |
| Tectonic | so the separate agreement would just be something I make up? or is that something I can do using CC? | 22:57 |
| rejon | separate agreement | 22:57 |
| Tectonic | and then where does CC come into play? | 22:57 |
| paulproteus | I was downtown, and just either biked (15 minutes or so) or took a bus (20m or so). | 22:57 |
| bovinity | paulproteus: where did you live? | 22:57 |
| bovinity | those sound like times that it takes me to bus/bike | 22:57 |
| rejon | Tectonic: cc license empowers others to use the UGC without having to ask, depending on license | 22:57 |
| rejon | Tectonic: check out http://magnatune.com and http://pumpaudio.com/ | 22:58 |
| * paulproteus loads a map because I can't remember | 22:58 | |
| paulproteus | Grove and soemthing... | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | Baker! | 22:58 |
| bovinity | oh | 22:58 |
| bovinity | yeah | 22:58 |
| bovinity | that's near me | 22:58 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, ah, okay, I will have a car down there but I'm definitely not going to use it to go downtown | 22:58 |
| bovinity | huh | 22:58 |
| rejon | magnatune uses a restrictive license and then sells the content for other uses to people (hence, dual license) | 22:58 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, bovinity, I lived at http://xrl.us/vfh5 . | 22:58 |
| rejon | CC BY-NC-ND I believe | 22:58 |
| tannewt | I was thinking that the advantage of looking in berkeley would be that some students would go home or elsewhere for the summer | 22:59 |
| rejon | there are campuses in the city | 22:59 |
| rejon | tannewt: live in the mission or nob hill | 22:59 |
| rejon | lots of places | 22:59 |
| paulproteus | And there are also lots of dudes moving in and out and having spare rooms for all sorts of reasons. | 22:59 |
| rejon | mission is good if you are below 30 years of age | 22:59 |
| tannewt | alright | 23:00 |
| bovinity | paulproteus: 7 blocks from my house. | 23:00 |
| rejon | yah, just do it (period) | 23:00 |
| rejon | hahahahah | 23:00 |
| tannewt | and then just bike? | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | Oh, this reminds me, I need to find somewhere to live starting in July. | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, Biking was great, and you can always cheat and ride the bus. | 23:00 |
| paulproteus | (Or even put your bike on the front of the bus.) | 23:00 |
| tannewt | right | 23:01 |
| paulproteus | (Just don't leave it there once you get to your destination (oops)....) | 23:01 |
| tannewt | hehe,I'll have to use my dads road bike or something | 23:01 |
| tannewt | I only have a mountain bike | 23:01 |
| Tectonic | why did you tell me about magnatune? now i'm just wasting time listening to music :) | 23:02 |
| paulproteus | lol, Tectonic! | 23:02 |
| paulproteus | Let me know if something strikes you as really good. (-: | 23:02 |
| Tectonic | i had to click on "Brad sucks" because it's my name, and it was on the front page :o | 23:02 |
| Tectonic | i like it...reminds me a lot of Beck | 23:02 |
| paulproteus | I think I heard good things about them, actually. | 23:02 |
| tannewt | paulproteus, on craigslist is that the san fran filter or peninsula? | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | tannewt, I used the SF filter. | 23:03 |
| tannewt | ok | 23:03 |
| bovinity | sf | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | And it was definitely in SF. (-: | 23:03 |
| bovinity | avoid the tenderloin | 23:03 |
| bovinity | cheap.. but stabby. | 23:03 |
| tannewt | ? | 23:03 |
| paulproteus | s/stabby/dangerous/ | 23:04 |
| paulproteus | (only for clarity's sake) | 23:04 |
| tannewt | so nob hill or mission district? | 23:04 |
| bovinity | yeah | 23:04 |
| bovinity | panhandle is good, but starts getting pricy | 23:05 |
| cchelpbot | New news from http://creativecommons.org/weblog/rss: A swarm of angels progresses <http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7295> | 23:05 |
| Tectonic | So on magnatune, there's an agreement the artists sign when they submit their music...allowing magnatune to distribute and earn revenue from selling it, basically - is this done with CC or is this a separate contract? I'm a bit confused about this | 23:05 |
| * paulproteus vanishes | 23:07 | |
| Tectonic | maybe i'm just a poor listener :( | 23:14 |
| Tectonic | *tries to read some sites* | 23:14 |
| mlinksva | Tectonic, magnatune has a separate contract with each artist | 23:45 |
| mlinksva | but you wouldn't necessarily have to do it that way, depending on what your goal is | 23:45 |
| mlinksva | i'd look at several of the sites in http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Content_curators and see what others are doing | 23:45 |
| Tectonic | i'd like each developer to have the same contract with us...and have it done right on the site with a checkbox or something...is that possible? | 23:47 |
| Tectonic | looking at that link | 23:47 |
| Tectonic | is it a problem that the files that users can upload on my site will come in all different formats? none of them are audio or video...they're levels for computer games | 23:49 |
| mlinksva | tannewt, you must get a track bike http://www.sfweekly.com/2006-08-16/news/ask-a-track-bike/ | 23:49 |
| mlinksva | or not | 23:49 |
| mlinksva | Tectonic, nobody here is a lawyer and cc can't give legal advice anyway, you might want to talk to a lawyer ... but basically if what you want to do on the site is outside the scope of what the CC license(s) your users will be using already allow, you probably need a separate agreement with them, whether individual contracts or website ToS. Beyond that you'll have to look at what other similar sites are doing and talk to a lawyer. :) | 23:51 |
| tannewt | mlinksva, no thanks, I like breaks | 23:52 |
| mlinksva | ok, if you don't want to be cool, whatever | 23:53 |
| mlinksva | :) | 23:53 |
| tannewt | mlinksva, I can stand up to peer pressure :-P | 23:53 |
| Tectonic | ok, thanks mlinksva | 23:54 |
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