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| nyergler | paroneayea: ping | 17:06 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: pong | 17:08 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: just wanted to chat re: finland 1.0 briefly | 17:09 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yup.. | 17:09 |
| nyergler | are look-ups currently done using a combination of jurisdiction + identifier? | 17:09 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yes | 17:09 |
| nyergler | i see | 17:09 |
| nyergler | and then we take max(version) of that set? | 17:09 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: iirc anyway, pulling up the code to back that up | 17:10 |
| nyergler | ok | 17:10 |
| nyergler | so there are two issues here | 17:10 |
| nyergler | first, in 1.0 we ordered the identifier elements differently | 17:10 |
| nyergler | hence by-nd-nc instead of by-nc-nd | 17:11 |
| paroneayea | and I'm sensing that changing the identifier inside the RDF is unacceptable? | 17:11 |
| nyergler | well it's sort of a hack (since the identifier really isn't by-nc-nd) | 17:12 |
| paroneayea | we're gonna have a hack here no matter what | 17:12 |
| nyergler | i wonder if we couldn't add a catch for these 1.0 jurisdictions | 17:12 |
| nyergler | right | 17:12 |
| paroneayea | ~_~ | 17:12 |
| nyergler | jurisdiction singular, i guess | 17:12 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 17:12 |
| paroneayea | well.. | 17:12 |
| nyergler | can you point me to the place in the code where that selection takes place? | 17:12 |
| nyergler | i'm thinking something like | 17:13 |
| nyergler | if not found and contains nd and contains nc, look for the old-style ordering | 17:13 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: once you see how this code works you're going to want to shoot yourself | 17:13 |
| nyergler | how's that for literate programming? :) | 17:13 |
| * paroneayea glad he didn't write it, thusly | 17:13 | |
| nyergler | paroneayea: i have that reaction on a regular basis lately, what's another hole in the head? | 17:13 |
| paroneayea | whew! | 17:13 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: okay, I'll try to describe how this code works, but it's a long trip down the rabbit hole | 17:14 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: can you point me to a file/line so i can look at it as well? | 17:14 |
| nyergler | also, maybe i should tell you what the second issue is, as well :) | 17:14 |
| paroneayea | yes I'm doing that :) | 17:14 |
| nyergler | thanks | 17:15 |
| paroneayea | go ahead, I'm typing up the description in a second buffer :) | 17:15 |
| nyergler | so the other issue is that 1.0 SA licenses aren't upward compatible | 17:15 |
| nyergler | so we should really never issue a 1.0, ported SA license these days | 17:15 |
| nyergler | ideally if someone asks for an SA license and winds up with a 1.0, we just return the latest unported equivalent | 17:16 |
| nyergler | tangential thought: if we modified cc.license with that behavior, would that also screw us on "details" (by_url) calls? | 17:17 |
| nyergler | not sure how much reuse there is there | 17:17 |
| paroneayea | by_code called from: | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.license.git/tree/cc/license/_lib/functions.py#n40 | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | which iterates over every selector, calling and checking Selector.by_code: | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.license.git/tree/cc/license/selectors/classes.py#n73 | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | which transforms the parameters into a URI through dict2uri, and then uses that to call by_uri() | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.license.git/tree/cc/license/selectors/classes.py#n74 | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | so you should probably look at dict2uri: | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewgit/cc.license.git/tree/cc/license/_lib/functions.py#n131 | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | At this point, looking at dict2uri code, if you hadn't wanted to shoot yourself in the face already, you'll want a machinegun to do the job now. | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | why this doesn't do a fucking RDF query, I have no fucking idea | 17:19 |
| paroneayea | it is such a piece of shit | 17:20 |
| paroneayea | sorry, that's a bit over the top | 17:20 |
| nyergler | LOL | 17:20 |
| nyergler | ok, let me look at those lines | 17:20 |
| nyergler | mlinksva says it's clearly time to flip a fucking table | 17:20 |
| nyergler | ;) | 17:21 |
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| paroneayea | 17:21 | |
| paroneayea | LOSE YOUR SHIT | 17:21 |
| paroneayea | FLIP A FUKKEN TABLE | 17:21 |
| nyergler | wow, that's sort of epic | 17:23 |
| paroneayea | in one of the channels I idle in it became popular enough to inspire several followups: http://dustycloud.org/tmp/tableflip_followups.txt | 17:23 |
| paroneayea | but anyway | 17:24 |
| nyergler | i was referring to the code | 17:25 |
| nyergler | but yes, the table is quite epic as well | 17:25 |
| nyergler | :) | 17:25 |
| nyergler | oooh-kay | 17:25 |
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| nyergler | one second, looking at test coverage in hudson | 17:25 |
| paroneayea | the test coverage is actually rather good | 17:25 |
| paroneayea | so refactoring this should be rather doable | 17:25 |
| nyergler | yeah, it's quite good | 17:26 |
| paroneayea | if we could roll together a reimplementation of by_code and by_uri | 17:27 |
| paroneayea | along with a sensible exception here | 17:27 |
| paroneayea | I'd be pretty happy | 17:27 |
| paroneayea | I think, reasonably, the RDF *should* be good enough for handling both by_code and by_uri | 17:27 |
| nyergler | right | 17:27 |
| nyergler | i sort of wonder if this was done for performance reasons | 17:28 |
| paroneayea | possibly | 17:28 |
| paroneayea | though.. | 17:28 |
| paroneayea | I think if we cache the results | 17:28 |
| nyergler | do you remember what bit of code was doing an RDF query that took forever? (JED3, maybe you do?) | 17:28 |
| paroneayea | oh I remember | 17:28 |
| paroneayea | hold on, pulling it up | 17:28 |
| nyergler | b | 17:28 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.license build (39): UNSTABLE in 3 min 11 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.license/39/ | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're not using that i18n stuff. Apparently I put this here when I | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added get_jurisdiction_languages | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Technically it's cc.license._lib | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added test_get_jurisdiction_languages unit test | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added two jurisdiction tests: test_default_language and test_languages | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Added the Jurisdiction.langugages property/function | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New version number | 17:30 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: We're not using that i18n stuff. Apparently I put this here when I | 17:31 |
| paroneayea | okay maybe I'm wrong | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | I know what happened though | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | query = RDF.Query("""PREFIX cc: <http://creativecommons.org/ns#> | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | SELECT ?jurisdiction | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | WHERE | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | { ?license rdf:type cc:License . | 17:33 |
| paroneayea | ?license cc:class <http://creativecommons.org/license/> . | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | ?license cc:jurisdiction ?jurisdiction }""", query_language="sparql") | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | I think it was that | 17:34 |
| nyergler | oh, right | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | when you did rdf:type | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | and anything else | 17:34 |
| paroneayea | it was fairly fast once I split it into one query plus a list comprehension :P | 17:34 |
| nyergler | right | 17:34 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: anyway, I think I can make it work | 17:35 |
| paroneayea | even if I have to do that workaround | 17:35 |
| paroneayea | and it should be fast enough with caching I think, but we can test it to be srue | 17:35 |
| paroneayea | sure | 17:35 |
| nyergler | right | 17:36 |
| nyergler | what are you working on right now? (ie, what's in your queue) | 17:36 |
| nyergler | guess i can look @ roundup | 17:36 |
| nyergler | chooser translation stuff, i guess? | 17:36 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 17:36 |
| paroneayea | roundup:709, I was starting on tests this morning | 17:36 |
| paroneayea | along with responding to that email on cci about the disclaimer non-translation | 17:37 |
| paroneayea | which is resolved | 17:37 |
| nyergler | right | 17:37 |
| paroneayea | I'm pretty flexible anyway | 17:37 |
| nyergler | so i think that getting that translation issue fixed is slightly more important; i'd focus on writing the test necessary to track down the issue, not a full test suite for cc.i18n | 17:37 |
| paroneayea | okay | 17:37 |
| nyergler | (in case i wasn't clear in my comments on the ticket) | 17:37 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: so do you think you could write up how that exception could work, you think? | 17:38 |
| nyergler | we want the full suite eventually, but i think we need to focus on the actual issue | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | at that point, after 709 works, I think I could do this by_code issue | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | if that makes sense to you | 17:38 |
| nyergler | sure | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | cool | 17:38 |
| paroneayea | now I'm gonna take a few notes and run so I don't leave morgan sitting alone too long at lunch, I'm late :) | 17:38 |
| nyergler | and you can look @ making by_code use a SPARQL query; it's possible we didn't have dc:identifier everywhere | 17:38 |
| nyergler | sounds good, ping me if you have any questions, i'll make the ticket now | 17:39 |
| nyergler | tell morgan thank you for her patience ;) | 17:39 |
| paroneayea | cool, thx :) | 17:39 |
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| CC_Hudson | Yippie, build fixed! | 18:47 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.license build (40): FIXED in 2 min 6 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.license/40/ | 18:47 |
| CC_Hudson | Nathan R. Yergler: Fixed selector ID test to pass for Public Domain Mark. | 18:47 |
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| mattl | paroneayea: hey... can you point http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/ at us now? | 18:56 |
| paroneayea | mattl: I'm not sure that one's as easy, but I'm not the one to make that decision | 18:56 |
| paroneayea | nyergler and mike linksvayer probably would have a better say in that | 18:56 |
| paroneayea | (I don't mean "as easy" techwise) | 18:57 |
| nyergler | mattl: we can redirect the deeds, but we'll need to keep serving up the Portuguese legal code (ie, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/GPL/2.0/legalcode.pt) | 18:58 |
| nyergler | can you tell me what URLs to use? | 18:58 |
| nyergler | for GPL 2.0 and LGPL 2.1 | 18:58 |
| mattl | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html | 18:58 |
| mattl | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.html | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | it should be super simple to do. nyergler: I could even do that now and have it up within an hour w/ tests, or we could wait till after my current stuff is done | 19:02 |
| nyergler | mattl: thanks | 19:02 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: I'm assuming we'll want to keep the rdf and etc though | 19:02 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: I'm opening a ticket; slot it in after the current i18n, by-nd-nc work, please | 19:03 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: yes, i'm making a couple notes about what we'll continue to serve | 19:03 |
| mattl | we have our own rdf URLs. i can give you those. | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | mattl: links? | 19:03 |
| mattl | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.rdf | 19:03 |
| mattl | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl-2.1.rdf | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: kk, sounds grood | 19:03 |
| nyergler | mattl: thanks, noting those on the ticket as well | 19:05 |
| nyergler | mattl: paroneayea: see http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue727 | 19:05 |
| nyergler | mattl, our bug tracker sucks, so you may or may not want to create an account and add yourself as nosy on that | 19:06 |
| nyergler | up to yuo | 19:06 |
| mattl | i like all this public ticket stuff. | 19:06 |
| mattl | we use RT. | 19:06 |
| nyergler | do you like RT? it seems like a swiss army knife (in the best -- and perhaps worst -- way possible) | 19:07 |
| mattl | the UI blows, but it's actually good. | 19:07 |
| nyergler | right | 19:07 |
| nyergler | :) | 19:07 |
| mattl | prior to RT, i used FogBugz in my government job. | 19:07 |
| nyergler | well our UI blows, and it's just so-so, so i guess that's an improvement :) | 19:07 |
| mattl | FogBugz -- good UI, but the software blows. | 19:07 |
| mattl | also, nonfree. | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | cwebber's law: every programmer at some point will get tired of how bad every bugtracker is, will try to make a new one, but it will end up at least as terrible or worse | 19:08 |
| nyergler | :) | 19:08 |
| nyergler | exactly | 19:08 |
| mattl | paroneayea: i've never written a bugtracker, or a text editor, or a VCS, or a web server. i have worked a lot with Zope though, so for all my goodness, I am still bad. | 19:09 |
| paroneayea | mattl: you're young, you still have time in your career to write a terrible bugtracker | 19:09 |
| nyergler | perhaps using ZClasses ;) | 19:09 |
| mattl | my programming career is over, bro. | 19:10 |
| paroneayea | my roundup + orgmode setup keeps me from being too disgruntled: http://labs.creativecommons.org/2010/11/10/bridging-public-bugtrackers-and-local-tasklists/ | 19:14 |
| paroneayea | anyway, back to this i18n issue! the sooner I get done with these things, the sooner we can redirect [L]GPL away from CC ;) | 19:14 |
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| greg-g | just because I think this is awesome, I pasting it here as well: http://www.lib.umich.edu/open-access-bibliographic-records | 19:51 |
| greg-g | warning, the MARCXML files is 174 megs :) | 19:52 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: awesome | 19:59 |
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| mralex | JED3: actually, i might revise the site banners in cc5/site.js — so i'll let you know if any commits go in | 21:24 |
| JED3 | mralex: ahh its not important, i'm checking the repo out now | 21:25 |
| JED3 | thanks tho! | 21:26 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: mralex: safe to update on a5's ccwordpress checkout? | 21:49 |
| mralex | JED3: production? yes | 21:50 |
| paroneayea | JED3: afaik yeah | 21:52 |
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| JonTheNiceGuy | Hi all. I'm here seen as bradley kuhn mentioned the channel on identi.ca, and i'm working on an audio cc based project at cchits.net. | 23:15 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | I was wondering though. The site uses festival's text-to-speech engine to generate text from an AGPL licensed code base. Can/should I license that as creative commons, or should it be AGPL licensed, in the same way that AGPL'd code needs to be AGPL licensed when rendered? | 23:20 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | Or, is that out of scope for this channel? :-) | 23:21 |
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| JonTheNiceGuy | actually, I might be back for this discussion tomorrow. | 23:30 |
| JonTheNiceGuy | speak tomorrow. | 23:30 |
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