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| paroneayea | :O | 17:00 |
| nyergler | paulproteus: ping | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | nyergler: pong | 17:13 |
| paulproteus | I missed you yesterday on #discovered | 17:14 |
| nyergler | no worries, orthogonal question | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | But this might not be about that, but I do know about it. (-: | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | Sure, fire away. | 17:14 |
| nyergler | i'm configuring a new server, have a vague recollection that there's some risk in doing LVM for *everything* | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | Barriers. | 17:14 |
| nyergler | (ie, not keeping a small "normal" partition for /boot | 17:14 |
| paulproteus | Oh, then there's booting... | 17:14 |
| nyergler | barriers? | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | Long story: http://lwn.net/Articles/283161/ | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | Short story: sometimes the filesystem wants to make sure that its writes go all the way down, that they've "stuck". | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | LVM makes that harder, or at least it did in 2008. | 17:15 |
| paulproteus | And http://lwn.net/Articles/326597/ says that barriers work with LVM now. | 17:16 |
| paulproteus | Okay, so as for booting -- the installer should warn you if it won't work, so given that, do what you like. | 17:16 |
| nyergler | fair enough | 17:16 |
| paulproteus | I think grub2 is suuuper flexible so it should bascially certainly be fine. | 17:16 |
| nyergler | does 5.06 use grub2? | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | Are you doing RAID? | 17:17 |
| nyergler | yes | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | What does 5.06 refer to? | 17:17 |
| nyergler | LVM on top of software RAID 1 is how i have it set up right now | 17:17 |
| nyergler | debian | 17:17 |
| nyergler | 5.0.6? not sure of the exact #... latest stable | 17:17 |
| paulproteus | Oh, okay. Nah, if you're using Debian stable, then it's not grub2, but the installer will warn you if you do anything too crazy. | 17:18 |
| nyergler | ok thanks | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | I would still suggest RAID 1 for /boot though. | 17:18 |
| nyergler | w/o LVM you mean? | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | It just seems more nice to the booting system to not have it bother with LVM. | 17:18 |
| paulproteus | Ya | 17:18 |
| nyergler | b | 17:18 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: when you get a chance, would be good to know if http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue694 counts as closable to you or not | 17:46 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: if things get updated in a predictable manner, i'm ok to close | 17:47 |
| nyergler | please reply to the CC Taiwan thread as well | 17:47 |
| paroneayea | ok, will do | 17:47 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: ping | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Hi. | 18:31 |
| nyergler | i'm installing debian on the new i.creativecommons.org hardware | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | I've been in and out of #cc for a while because I'm having network problems. | 18:31 |
| nyergler | i assume i can just tell you the IP and give you an account, you can take it from there | 18:31 |
| nyergler | ok | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | Provider is up and down. | 18:31 |
| nyergler | ok | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: yeah. | 18:31 |
| nyergler | i'm going to make a patch cable so i can return the one i stole from the time capsule | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: But it's in the office right? | 18:31 |
| nyergler | should be up shortly | 18:31 |
| nyergler | yes | 18:31 |
| nyergler | i'm planning to get the base install done, hand off to you | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Is the 2nd disk in it already? | 18:32 |
| nyergler | ping ISC for new IP address so you can finish configuration while i'm traveling | 18:32 |
| nyergler | yes | 18:32 |
| nyergler | and i configured RAID1 @ install time | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | Oh, nice! | 18:32 |
| nkinkade | There was a side of me that was curious to see how ti went with starting with a degraded array, but this is better. :-) | 18:33 |
| nyergler | :) | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | I'll say that tethering through my N900 is quite nice, and I can get speeds over 1mbps, but latency is so high that ssh is useless. Useless, I say! | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | Which is sad, because ssh is half of what I do in any given day. | 18:34 |
| paroneayea | yeah and it disconnects a lot | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | the ssh sessions | 18:37 |
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| nkinkade | It makes me wonder if perhaps tmobile is prioritizing traffic across their data network and giving ultra low priority to port 22 traffic. | 18:41 |
| paroneayea | I wouldn't doubt it. | 18:42 |
| nkinkade | JED3: The scraper is at /apps/deed, right? | 18:47 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: correct | 18:47 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Does the scraper javascript do some basic checks, like if a referrer exists in the request, etc? Anything else? | 18:52 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: http://creativecommons.org/includes/referrer/deed-dbg.js | 18:54 |
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| JED3 | wont do anything unless there is a referrer | 18:54 |
| nkinkade | Got it. It would appear that only about 1 in 3 requests have a referrer. | 18:55 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: oh really? | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah, I was surprised. I'm looking at some apache logs over the past few days. | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | Yesterday, for example, there were around 232,000 requests for URLs like /licenses/by, and only about 74,000 requests for URLs like /apps/deed | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | Same rough average holds for todays log. | 18:58 |
| nkinkade | Day before yesterday: 228,000 deeds, only 74,000 scraper requests. | 19:00 |
| JED3 | hmm, i wonder what accounts for that difference though | 19:00 |
| JED3 | robots, js disabled clients, proxies? | 19:01 |
| JED3 | i guess also that path would also match requests for the plain deed, or people who click on a language link | 19:02 |
| JED3 | well maybe not the latter, since there would still be a referer set | 19:02 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: new hardware is up | 19:05 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Thanks. | 19:06 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: see private chat for IP, etc | 19:07 |
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| paroneayea | hey nyergler, when you get a sec could you follow up on http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue628 | 21:26 |
| paroneayea | plz | 21:26 |
| nyergler | done | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | ty | 21:29 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: totally points to http://creativecommons.org/images/public/cc-GPL-a.png | 21:31 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: would you also prefer that I update those pages to point to the i.cc.org images (the correct ones?) | 21:31 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: yes, please | 21:35 |
| paroneayea | kk | 21:35 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: Am I wrong or did you intend to order the new machine with 2G of memory? | 22:18 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: ping | 22:37 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: hey | 22:37 |
| paroneayea | JED3: so I have a maybe stupid question | 22:38 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i'm no stranger to asking those myself, shoot | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | For redirects, eg slash redirects like /choose -> /choose/ in cc.engine | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | I'm currently using the HTTP Temporary Redirect code | 22:38 |
| paroneayea | but I wondcer if HTTP Found is what's correct | 22:38 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: no, you certainly need a redirect code | 22:39 |
| paroneayea | it is a redirect code | 22:39 |
| paroneayea | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_status_codes#3xx_Redirection | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | 307 vs 302 | 22:40 |
| JED3 | oh i thought a temporary was a 302 | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | actually | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | 303 | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | might be right | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | according to that article | 22:40 |
| JED3 | are you sure? especially for choose? does the form POST to choose or results-one? | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | this is just for a slash-redirect, not used for POST, just GET | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | 302 Found | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | This is the most popular redirect code[citation needed], but also an example of industrial practice contradicting the standard.[2] HTTP/1.0 specification (RFC 1945) required the client to perform a temporary redirect (the original describing phrase was "Moved Temporarily"),[5] but popular browsers implemented 302 with the functionality of a 303 See Other. Therefore, HTTP/1.1 added status codes 303 and 307 to distinguish between the | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | two behaviours. However, the majority of Web applications and frameworks still use the 302 status code as if it were the 303[6]. | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | 303 See Other (since HTTP/1.1) | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | The response to the request can be found under another URI using a GET method. When received in response to a PUT, it should be assumed that the server has received the data and the redirect should be issued with a separate GET message.[2] | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | yikes. | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | sorry. | 22:42 |
| JED3 | so nothing POSTs to choose? | 22:43 |
| paroneayea | things post to /choose/ but not /choose | 22:44 |
| JED3 | what posts to choose? | 22:44 |
| JED3 | (w or w/o the slash) | 22:45 |
| paroneayea | oh I gues nothing does post to choose | 22:45 |
| paroneayea | I think we've made this pretty confusing | 22:45 |
| akozak | nkinkade, around? | 22:45 |
| paroneayea | lol, django uses 301 | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | actually | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | 301 sounds right | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | for an "append slash" kind of redirect | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | sorry I've made a mess of this conversation, JED3 | 22:49 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: no worries | 22:50 |
| JED3 | i always just use 301 fwiw | 22:50 |
| JED3 | never quite grokked the exact use cases for the others | 22:50 |
| paroneayea | HTTP Response 418: I'm a teapot | 22:51 |
| paroneayea | haha | 22:51 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I'm here. What's up? | 22:52 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ah, I sent you an email about it. | 22:53 |
| akozak | nkinkade, we got a request for stats re: how many times the Free to Learn guide PDF has been downloaded on the wiki. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Who is that person making the request? | 22:53 |
| akozak | nkinkade, the guy from the communications firm. | 22:54 |
| akozak | Mike said I should ask you (but that's in the email thread) | 22:54 |
| nkinkade | Which communications firm? | 22:54 |
| akozak | DTKindler | 22:54 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Right, but I've never heard of that firm, or that person, or that PDF, or have a clue why they might really need some stats. I'm trying to get the context here. | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | If it's some super important person to CC, and those stats are ultra important, then they probably can be got. | 22:55 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ah sorry, let me find the relevant blog post. | 22:55 |
| nkinkade | But grepping logs isn't really fun, or generally productive. | 22:56 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea i can see it being a pain. maybe you could reply to the email and CC mike asking how important it is, because I don't know myself | 22:56 |
| akozak | I already sent over google analytics data for the wiki version | 22:56 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I can reply in the email. | 22:56 |
| akozak | nkinkade, http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/23591 | 22:57 |
| akozak | ok thanks | 22:57 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Sorry about the confusion, I just want to determine how important this is. There are probably better uses of any of our time than grepping old logs, but maybe this is something super important to Mike. | 22:57 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea sorry I can't say either way, Mike just asked me to ask you. | 22:58 |
| akozak | don't know hwy he didn't just cc you directly | 22:58 |
| akozak | maybe because he thought there was a way to get the data from mediawiki | 22:58 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that was probably why. | 23:01 |
| nkinkade | But that said, I'm pretty sure Mediawiki keeps counts for articles ... not sure about files. I'll check the db, akozak. | 23:01 |
| akozak | nkinkade, oh ok thanks. I didn't know of any way to get direct download stats but I suppose it might exist in the db somewhere. | 23:02 |
| nkinkade | But it may only be pages have a counter, not files ... ??? | 23:03 |
| nkinkade | #http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue423 | 23:03 |
| nkinkade | $wgDisableCounters = true; | 23:03 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, and I think I disabled them anyway .. that's a snip from LocalSettings.php on the wiki. | 23:04 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. The file seems to be in the page table, but the counter is empty .. probably because of the setting above. | 23:07 |
| nkinkade | Oh well ... looks like it's rummaging through Apache logs or nothing. | 23:07 |
| akozak | Yea that counter doesn't count direct downloads I think. | 23:10 |
| akozak | Gotta run out for a sec, be back in a min if anything comes up. | 23:11 |
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| diffract| | if someone has a picture with a "no derivative work" license, does it include vectorizing the image? | 23:48 |
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