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| ader10 | Do teachers/professors/instructors count as commercial use? | 02:17 |
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| nkinkade | ader10: There is no clear answer to that. The FAQ entry is about as clear as it may ever be: | 02:24 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FFAQ#Is_use_X_a_violation_of_the_Noncommercial_clause_of_the_licenses.3F | 02:24 |
| ader10 | Thank you | 02:25 |
| nkinkade | Some people are going to say that, yes, use by teachers/instructors can be commercial in some cases. And in others are sure to disagree. | 02:25 |
| nkinkade | Search the list archives of the cc-community@lists.ibiblio.org list and you'll find thousands and thousands of words and debate on the subject. | 02:26 |
| nkinkade | In fact, there was recently a ridiculously long thread that got rather contentious. | 02:26 |
| ader10 | thanks for saving me from the drama :) | 02:26 |
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| papyromancer | hey-o, a friend is organianizing a conference on active archives: http://www.ecommons.eu/ in Amsterdam on Nov 12, and she's looking to hvae someone from the ccmixter team give a talk. | 12:51 |
| papyromancer | would any of you be interested? | 12:51 |
| papyromancer | k, further info, no conference funds left to fly anyone in from the states :( | 13:00 |
| papyromancer | are there any ccmixter team members in the EU that like getting up in front of an audience? | 13:00 |
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| nyergler | papyromancer: CC isn't doing mixter development these days; not sure who, if anyone, is | 15:11 |
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| akozak | from teh wiki: Search Engine Optimization is the unique key of the door which provides access to millions. Search Engine Optimization is the most valuable key of digital marketing. The most important part of digital marketing is the search engine marketing. The most valuable key in search engine marketing which brings millions of internet users to your website is Search Engine Optimization. | 17:00 |
| akozak | err | 17:00 |
| akozak | thats not the funny part | 17:00 |
| akozak | Search Engine Optimization is a strategical mind game between the machine (Google bot) and the human (Search Engine Optimization Specialist | 17:00 |
| akozak | sounds like the next matrix | 17:00 |
| papyromancer | or a really funny Quixote | 17:01 |
| akozak | haha | 17:01 |
| papyromancer | anyone know how to get in touch with Victor Stone? pm me :) | 17:04 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 17:33 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Hi. | 17:47 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: sorry was pulled into the staff call | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | No, problem, so was I. | 18:36 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: can you explain to me the problems you first discovered with the scraper? | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I didn't discover any problem with the scraper. We've had a few load issues on a5 lately. nyergler mentioned that when he logged in once to see what was wrong, he found that killing all the scraper processes seemed to help. | 18:37 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: ahh okay | 18:40 |
| nkinkade | And when I thought about it, it made sense that the scraper, which maybe not the *cause* for of the load, certainly wasn't helping and was/is prone to delays and backups should the net connection already be clogged with other requests, and if the remote machine is slow in responding, and if the document it has to fetch and parse is huge. | 18:41 |
| nkinkade | JED3: ^^ | 18:41 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes, thats true, i'm also wondering about whether or not the scenario NRY pointed out in the ticket may be a possibility | 18:42 |
| JED3 | looking around the web at fcgi configurations, we may be giving too little resources to the scraper | 18:43 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Yeah, that could be. If I recall, the max clients for it set pretty low. | 18:43 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: I think we should also give it a timeout | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | But even asynchronously, it seems like it would be nice to move the scraper to another, less busy machine. I guess I can look into deed views and load to get some idea of where we stand. | 18:44 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that could help too. | 18:44 |
| JED3 | since its a javascript addition of html to the deed, it doesn't make sense for it to appear seconds after the deed has finished loading | 18:45 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: i agree re: moving it elsewhere | 18:45 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: I just discovered, or think I did, that even when a script is served from a given domain, if it's included in a page from another domain, the script still cannot access from the domain from which it was fetched. | 19:12 |
| nkinkade | http://creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/npk.html | 19:14 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: this is expected though isn't it? | 19:18 |
| JED3 | the browser won't allow remote scripts to make xmlhttprequests on your behalf | 19:18 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I thought that was the reasoning you had in mind when yesterday, and a week a few weeks ago, you had said: oh, serving the scraper JS from the other domain should work. | 19:18 |
| nkinkade | ... or something like that. | 19:18 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yeah, but its a bit different, one sec, i'll throw up an example | 19:19 |
| nkinkade | I must have misunderstood what you were getting at. | 19:19 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. | 19:19 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: http://creativecommons.org/~john/test.html | 19:26 |
| JED3 | and the remote js: http://code.creativecommons.org/~john/test.js.php | 19:26 |
| JED3 | http://code.creativecommons.org/~john/test.js.php?callback=foo | 19:28 |
| JED3 | which calls the foo function declared in the document on a5 | 19:28 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Ah. So the script itself on code already has all the necessary data in it, and need make no more external calls. | 19:30 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yup | 19:30 |
| nkinkade | And you were thinking that a request for the remote document on, say, scraper.CC.org would already contain all the scraped data, then the deed could just render it? | 19:30 |
| JED3 | yes, as it does already http://creativecommons.org/apps/triples?url=http://creativecommons.org/weblog | 19:31 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: Thanks for the lesson. This has all be enlightening to me. | 19:32 |
| JED3 | so instead of making any XMLHttpRequests, it'll be a simple GET for the client | 19:32 |
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| nkinkade | That doesn't really sound too indirect to me, you? | 19:32 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: no, me neither, i'm replying now | 19:33 |
| nkinkade | It's not async anymore, I guess, but does that really matter in this case, I wonder? | 19:33 |
| nkinkade | I gues it could affect deed load times, though. | 19:33 |
| nkinkade | But I suppose the page can be made to render even before all the javascript has finished executing. | 19:34 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: JED3: are either of you in a5 by chance to see what is going on? | 20:00 |
| nkinkade | I can't SSH to it. | 20:00 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: sorry, we were @ lunch | 20:42 |
| nyergler | i was able to get in just now, seems to be OK? | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Yeah, it calmed down and things came back. | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | I'm just compiling some stats based on the CC.org access.log. | 20:42 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue682 | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | I just checked in a change for this but | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | is that paragraph maybe deprecated entirely due to the new yellow-box-"warning" | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | doing basically the same thing | 20:44 |
| paroneayea | well I guess mike suggested doing the same thing on each page so | 20:44 |
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| nyergler | paroneayea: i don't understand what you're talking about | 20:52 |
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| nyergler | looking @ the page hamilton pointed at now | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | compare last paragraph to box on top of http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/zero/ | 20:53 |
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| nyergler | ah, got it | 20:53 |
| nyergler | i thought we weren't going to do yellow boxes at every step | 20:53 |
| nyergler | i think that's total overkill | 20:53 |
| nyergler | let me add a comment to the ticket | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | we aren't, but that last paragraph says mostly the same thing as that yellow box | 20:54 |
| nyergler | right, but the yellow box is on a different page, right? i'd just update the last paragraph to say PDM instead of PDC | 20:54 |
| paroneayea | okay | 20:54 |
| paroneayea | done | 20:54 |
| paroneayea | sorry that was unnecessarily confusing | 20:55 |
| paroneayea | oh hey | 20:57 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: nkinkade: jed__: akozak: we doing tech checkin this week? | 20:57 |
| nyergler | i guess we already missed the scheduled time | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: You are very diligent about reminding everyone of these meetings. Seems you do it every week. ;-) | 20:58 |
| nyergler | i'd prefer to just talk to people 1:1 this week, I think, since i'm pretty scattered | 20:58 |
| nyergler | (and yes, thank you for reminding :) ) | 20:58 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I've come to rely on paroneayea for the reminders rather than leaving the reminder in my inbox. | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | :-) ... do it once, it's a favor ... do it twice, it's your job. | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | emacs gives me an alert | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | which is why I always bring it up | 20:59 |
| nkinkade | Just as well, because I don't use emacs. | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | (add-hook 'midnight-hook 'org-agenda-to-appt) | 21:00 |
| nkinkade | What threw you this week paroneayea, PDT? | 21:01 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: lunch on PDT :) | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | I think my alerts went off while we were eating | 21:02 |
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| paroneayea | Greek gets back up to 100%, and I add 2 new strings and mark 1 as fuzzy :( | 21:33 |
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| nyergler | it's a hard life | 22:08 |
| akozak | jed__, what font size do you use for inconsolata in emacs? | 22:22 |
| jed__ | akozak: i'm using Droid Sans Mono atm, at 100 height | 22:22 |
| akozak | ah | 22:23 |
| akozak | i'm trying to get it not to look terrible at 100, but to no avail. | 22:23 |
| jed__ | akozak: it looks terrible? | 22:24 |
| akozak | yea all fuzzy | 22:24 |
| akozak | inconsolata, not droid | 22:24 |
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| JED3 | yeah i just changed to inconsolata at 100 | 22:24 |
| JED3 | not fuzzy at all for me, but too small | 22:24 |
| akozak | hmm | 22:24 |
| akozak | maybe I'll just stick with anonymous pro | 22:25 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: can you adjust line-height and not the character height in emacs? | 22:25 |
| JED3 | akozak: dont care for droid sans? | 22:25 |
| akozak | JED3, never used it. maybe i should try it | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | it's not the sans he's looking for | 22:25 |
| * paroneayea waves hand | 22:26 | |
| akozak | heh | 22:26 |
| paroneayea | JED3: I'm not sure about adjusting that | 22:26 |
| JED3 | hmm | 22:26 |
| JED3 | nyergler: * make cczero and publicdomain act the same | 22:29 |
| JED3 | does that mean issue cc0 for publicdomain calls? | 22:29 |
| JED3 | ... that was from you latest comment on issue690 btw | 22:29 |
| nyergler | yeah i think we decided to do what you, mike, and i talked about | 22:30 |
| nyergler | with the exception of merging cc0 and pdm in the same class | 22:30 |
| akozak | JED3, yea I'm just switching back to emacs in a terminal. looks so much better, especially with droid sans mono | 22:34 |
| akozak | im so tired of dealing with font rendering in ubuntu | 22:35 |
| JED3 | nyergler: okay thanks, just wanted to doublecheck | 22:35 |
| paroneayea | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SetFonts | 22:39 |
| paroneayea | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GoodFonts | 22:39 |
| akozak | wow, height 140? what am I, a senior citizen? | 22:40 |
| akozak | :P | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | _____ | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | .' ' | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | # .\ /. | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | # | o| ;o| GET OFF MY LAWN, | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | G_ (_,_). INTERNET | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | \ /----- | 22:40 |
| paroneayea | / ___,__) | 22:40 |
| akozak | nice guides though paroneayea, thanks | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | % | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | _____ | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | .-' ~~~'. | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | | O .-- --. | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | ' o .--..-- | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | _\__-|| || | GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | (' ''--''\-' | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | \\, - (_ \' I'VE FOUND THE PERFECT | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | _ / / '-'. FONT, SIZE AND COLOR CONFIGURATION | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | _/ \// .'----' FOR EMACS! | 22:41 |
| paroneayea | / ' \/ `_.' | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | \_ \-_.' | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | \ \_/ | | 22:42 |
| paroneayea | 22:42 | |
| paroneayea | np | 22:42 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: http://a9.creativecommons.org/~cwebber/eggs/ should that contain some cc.i18n eggs in there? | 23:15 |
| JED3 | shouldn't* | 23:15 |
| paroneayea | nope | 23:16 |
| JED3 | ahh okay, where might those be? | 23:16 |
| paroneayea | http://code.creativecommons.org/basket/ | 23:16 |
| paroneayea | which officially supercedes my eggs dir :) | 23:16 |
| JED3 | oh yeah, duh | 23:16 |
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| paroneayea | ah dang | 23:25 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yo, can you walk me through using svnmerge? | 23:26 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: On which repo? | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | One for which you've already got a checkout, I assume? | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | Basically, make your commit to trunk, note the revision number. | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | Then go to branches/production and svn up. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | $ svnmerge avail | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | ... will tell you what commits you can merge. | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | $ svnmerge merge -r rXXXXX | 23:28 |
| nkinkade | ... will merge rXXXXX into production. Then you just svn status/diff to make sure it was what you wanted, then ... | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | $ svn commit -F | 23:29 |
| nkinkade | svnmerge-commit-message.txt | 23:29 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: trying, thanks | 23:33 |
| paroneayea | svnmerge: no integration info available | 23:44 |
| paroneayea | oh | 23:45 |
| paroneayea | I think I know why. | 23:45 |
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