Tuesday, 2010-10-19

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nyerglerJED3: samplingplus is not deprecated because it allows verbatim non-commercial reproduction worldwide, which is the baseline we set which triggered deprecating dev nations, sampling00:05
JED3ahh, thank you nyergler00:05
JED3institutional knowledge sharing00:06
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czdis cc-by-sa compatible to gfdl?09:49
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paroneayeankinkade: yo17:07
nkinkadeparoneayea: Yeah.17:07
paroneayeais there a way to do rewrites conditional on the size of a file being > 0 bytes?17:07
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paroneayeaif so we could get rid of that pesky empty-cache-file thing easy17:08
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nkinkadeparoneayea: I'm not immediately aware of a way, but it may exists.17:08
nkinkadeThat said, doesn't it seem better to figure out why we are getting zero-length files at all rather than putting a bandaid on it?17:09
paroneayeaRewriteCond TestString -s17:09
paroneayeayes we should of course17:10
paroneayeathough that's a better bandaid than our current one17:10
paroneayeawhich after the cache is cleared can make certain pages not load untilthe script is run17:10
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paroneayeaAlright I'm packing up my stuff and driving out to the airport17:18
paroneayeacya guys tomorrow17:18
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in70xis this a C programming channel18:19
JED3in70x: no it is not, this is Creative Commons18:24
mralexyou want ##c18:24
JED3mralex: http://code.google.com/p/rdfquery/wiki/RdfPlugin18:24
in70xi see18:24
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mralexJED3: you could always run the goggles app on your incredible and sniff the network traffic and reverse engineer the protocol :)18:31
JED3mralex: haha yeah thats always an option18:34
JED3mralex: do you have a link to that lib you were talking about?18:39
akozakmralex, that sounded like csi-speak or something18:40
akozakcould you do it with a gui interface in visual basic18:40
mralexi could amke it enhance images too18:40
mralexJED3: there's this http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ for  scanning barcodes18:41
mralexalso http://www.iqengines.com/18:41
JED3ahh interesting18:43
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nkinkadepaulproteus: Did you move your gitweb?19:44
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nkinkadeI want to compile ionicer for my own machine (32 bit) ... where do you keep those sources these days?19:45
paulproteusnkinkade: Oh, rather than move, I broke it.19:47
paulproteusI mean, the repo.19:47
paulproteus'Twas an accident. Can you email me a reminder and I'll fix it later tonight?19:47
nkinkadepaulproteus: Yeah.  Meantime, is that the only places sources can be found?19:47
nkinkadepaulproteus: Email sent.19:49
nkinkadeOh, wait, maybe the sources are on a7:/home/paulproteus somewhere?19:49
nkinkadeSeems like maybe.19:49
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nkinkadepaulproteus: The C source was in your home dir on a7, and I just compiled for my laptop, but fix your gitweb anyway. :-)19:51
nkinkadeJED3: Any news with that new rack server in the office?20:01
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JED3nkinkade: well i wasnt able to get to it last week, and for some reason though nry would install the drive sometime this week20:02
JED3nkinkade: however, i think i can do it this afternoon20:02
nkinkadeJED3: No rush.  I was just curious.20:02
nkinkadeWhenever you guys can conveniently get to it.20:03
nkinkadeHey JED3 I was just thinking to open a new ticket about the possibility of running the scraper somewhere other than a5.  Would that work as long as we served the scraper scripts from that other place, or no?20:03
nkinkadeI feel like we pondered that in here a week or two ago, but I never saw any definitive answer.20:04
JED3nkinkade: yes it should work fine, the scraper is called by the client so there wont be any perf trade-off to moving it off of a520:05
nkinkadeJED3: Cool.  But it could possibly help to reduce load on a5 when deed views get high for one reason or another ... scraping the referrer seems like it could be a bit expensive in terms of waiting on the network and parsing large pages.20:06
nkinkadeI'll create ticket ... do you mind if I assign to you?  It's not a lot of work to move it is it?20:06
JED3nkinkade: its not a lot of work, and no i dont mind20:06
nkinkadeJED3: Do you agree that it could help a bit to reduce load on a5 when load is already high, or do you feel that it's so negligible as to not be worth the time to move.  Just making sure I'm not barking up the wrong tree here.20:07
JED3well considering it makes a GET to a remote document on every request made for a deed, i'd say that yes, its significant enough to consider moving it elsewhere20:08
JED3and for some referrer's it can spawn several additional GET requests in order to complete the registration assertions20:09
JED3nkinkade: so yeah.20:09
nkinkadeTicket forthcoming.  Thanks.20:09
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JED3nkinkade: ping21:54
nkinkadeJED3: Hi.21:54
JED3hey sorry for not being more clear earlier, but the scraper would still need to be served from the creativecommons.org domain21:54
JED3however we could proxy to another machine using apache couldnt we?21:54
nkinkadeJED3: We could, but it seems to me that that still doesn't really relieve a5 fully, at least not from the lingering network connection.21:56
nkinkadeBut perhaps it would be better than running it from a5 directly.21:56
nkinkadeWhat I don't want is some massive pile-up of connections waiting for the new backend to return the data.21:56
nkinkadeJED3: Can you comment on the issue?21:57
nkinkadeBut in addition to commenting on the issue for the benefit of the others ... basically it's not feasible in any way shape or form to remove the scraper from a5, other than proxying the requests?21:59
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JED3nkinkade: hmm, okay. i'll comment on the issue22:00
nkinkadeJED3: I don't know excessively much about the same origin policies for javascript, but is there no conceivable way to get around this?  Do those policies also mean that your script, served from CC.org, could make asynchronous requests to another domain for data?22:14
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JED3nkinkade: updating the issue right now, just about to submit22:14
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JED3nkinkade: the common way to approach this is to create a serverside proxy22:21
JED3nkinkade: the load on a5 would be much lesser since its a single request to the scraper which would be on the same subnet22:22
nkinkadeJED3: And we can do that, and it *might* help some, but not as much as it otherwise could.22:22
nkinkadeJED3: How would it be on the same subnet?22:23
JED3aren't our machines in the same data center?22:23
nkinkadea5 is in LA ... a9 is in San Antonio, I think.22:23
JED3oh shit, nm22:23
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nkinkadeSo, JED3, for example, if scraper.js is served from CC.org, it the script disallowed from making async calls to any other domain for data?22:24
JED3nkinkade: correct22:24
JED3you know we can serve the script from the same domain as the scraper though22:25
JED3that'd be fine22:25
nkinkadeJED3: That's what I meant to be referring to earlier.22:25
nkinkadeBut wouldn't that still mean the script couldn't access the DOM of the CC.org doc?22:25
nkinkadeThe deed, that is.22:26
nkinkadeI'm just tossing out the things that come immediately to my mind, most of it ignorant ... sorry.22:26
nkinkadeI've just never done enough JS work to have to worry about the single origin stuff.22:27
nkinkadeSo a script from somedomain.CC.org and included in a document from CC.org would have access to the whole document from CC.org?22:28
nkinkadeJED3: I just saw your update to the ticket.  I think I understand now, about AJAX requests and what domains are can be requested.22:29
nkinkadeBut I suppose I still wonder about whether a script served from, say, scraper.CC.org would have full access to a deed from CC.org.22:30
nkinkadeAgain, I just don't know that much about all the mechanisms and restrictions here.22:30
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