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| nkinkade | paroneayea: It would appear that the license chooser is not producing localized text ... it always seems to be in English, no matter the jurisdiction or the language one uses in the interface. This isn't right, is it? | 15:30 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: no, that isn't right | 15:30 |
| paroneayea | the general chooser? | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yeah. | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | Check it out a few times on your own, and if it looks like there is some breakage there maybe open a ticket? | 15:31 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=es&language=es&n_questions=3 | 15:31 |
| paroneayea | looks working to me | 15:31 |
| paroneayea | it doesn't change with the jurisdiction, but I don't think it is supposed to | 15:32 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: How did you arrive at that page? | 15:32 |
| paroneayea | click link at bottom of /choose/, eg france: http://creativecommons.org/choose/?lang=fr | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Add a title to the work. | 15:33 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=foobar&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=fr&language=fr&n_questions=3 | 15:33 |
| nkinkade | It would appear that filling out any of the "Additional Information" fields causes localization to break. | 15:33 |
| paroneayea | hm, the copy-paste isn't translated, that seems true | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=foo&field_attribute_to_name=bar&field_attribute_to_url=baz&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=fr&language=fr&n_questions=3 hm | 15:35 |
| paroneayea | that's translated | 15:35 |
| paroneayea | maybe the particular language is missing some of the formatter translations | 15:35 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: what's the "offending" link | 15:35 |
| paroneayea | that you were notified of | 15:35 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Any link you want. Pick Portuguese as the language, then fill in a title for the work. | 15:36 |
| nkinkade | Same with Castellano. | 15:36 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: that's because portugese hasn't translated license.rdfa_licensed_no_title | 15:40 |
| paroneayea | but has translated license.work_type_licensed | 15:40 |
| paroneayea | although that one's currently fuzzy | 15:40 |
| nkinkade | I thought Hamilton as Portuguese at 100%. | 15:41 |
| paroneayea | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/277008/ | 15:41 |
| paroneayea | does he? | 15:41 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should re-buildout, but | 15:41 |
| nkinkade | Alright, well as long as there no problem and it just a bunch untranslated strings. But it seems strange to me that the license name should be translated in one and not the next. | 15:41 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: I'll pull down the latest translations, just in case | 15:42 |
| nkinkade | Or it's blurring for me because the results were seeming inconsistent, but maybe they aren't. | 15:42 |
| paroneayea | Running buildout... this may temporarily break the chooser, as that's what buildout likes to do | 15:43 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: reloaded, translations should be up-to-date | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: portugese appears to be at 69% according to transifex | 15:45 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: As of some days ago it was at 100%. Hamilton spent a lot of time going over everything with a fine toothed comb, as you know. | 15:46 |
| nkinkade | Our i18n situation is somewhat discouraging .... it appears to be a terrific moving target. | 15:46 |
| nkinkade | No jurisdiction cares to try to keep up with it, somewhat understandably. | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: pdmark shouldn't have changed *that* many items to drop it down to 69% | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | I hope nothing bad happened during the i18n merge of pdm's new strings | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: 2010-09-30l10n: Updated Portuguese (pt) translation to 100% Hamilton Abreu | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | ffff | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | That was a commit message from 9/30. | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | Either the PDM strings added more than you thought, or the merge went badly. | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | ... it would seem. | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | :( | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | well, at least it looks like all is not lost, at least VC means we haven't lost the data | 15:53 |
| paroneayea | man i was really happy to be done and over with i18n | 15:53 |
| nkinkade | :-/ | 15:53 |
| nkinkade | Well, if something did go awry with the merge of the PDM stuff, then like you say, at least we've got it all in version control. | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should send an email to CCi that says "don't panic" :P | 15:54 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. That is, only if you firmly identify that strings changed that shouldn't have. | 15:54 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: yeah I'm looking | 15:55 |
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| paroneayea | oh wait. | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: okay, I was wrong. | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | and looking at the wrong portugese on transifex | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | they're at 87% | 16:02 |
| paroneayea | which is more correct sounding :) | 16:02 |
| paroneayea | http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/CC/c/cc_org/edit/cc/i18n/po/pt/cc_org.po and these look like the things that actually are new | 16:02 |
| * paroneayea wipes his forehead | 16:02 | |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: :-) | 16:04 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, 100% -> 87% sounds much better. | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | http://creativecommons.org/choose/results-one?q_1=2&q_1=1&field_commercial=yes&field_derivatives=yes&field_jurisdiction=&field_format=&field_worktitle=foo&field_attribute_to_name=&field_attribute_to_url=&field_sourceurl=&field_morepermissionsurl=&lang=pt&language=pt&n_questions=3 | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | but this *is* untranslated, which is strange | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | I'll look into it | 16:04 |
| nkinkade | Still discouraging if your a translator and have been spending a lot of time getting every detail right ... | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | yeah it sucks | 16:04 |
| paroneayea | but, I mean we need new strings :\ | 16:05 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, not much we can do about it. | 16:05 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I was wondering if we should be splitting these strings up into different PO files. Have you talked with nyergler about that? Is it even possible? | 16:05 |
| nkinkade | That is, to have one for the normal chooser, one for CC0, one for PDM, etc. | 16:06 |
| paroneayea | I haven't talked about it | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | Transifex supports having multiple "components" like that. | 16:06 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: i've thought about it in the past | 16:06 |
| nyergler | always decided not to because we have some strings that are cross-product | 16:06 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 16:07 |
| nyergler | and we'd effectively have to duplicate those for all components | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, that wouldn't be ideal. | 16:07 |
| nyergler | (since I assume the way this works is w/ different "domains") | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | But it sure would be nice to modularize the translation of these tools. | 16:07 |
| nyergler | if Tx lets you have different files for the same domain and we had a way to merge those for production, that'd be great | 16:07 |
| nkinkade | I could imagine 4 distinct files at the moment: Deeds, CC0 chooser, PDM chooser and regular chooser. | 16:08 |
| nyergler | btw, even if we accept that it's ok to have some duplication (ie, it's very little effort), i think there's value in consistency -- if something is fuzzy and therefore not translated for PD, my gut instinct is it should be elsewhere | 16:08 |
| nkinkade | I think most translators wold really appreciate the ability to know what precisely they are translating. | 16:08 |
| nyergler | that's true | 16:08 |
| * nyergler needs to work on triaging email at the moment and getting some replies done | 16:09 | |
| nkinkade | nyergler: I do know that Transifex, like Pootle and others, has the ability to translate a string for you if that string already exists in the system. | 16:09 |
| nyergler | if there are decisions to be made, happy to talk about them | 16:09 |
| nyergler | ah, interesting | 16:09 |
| nyergler | didn't think about htat | 16:09 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Yeah, I was just brainstorming. | 16:09 |
| nyergler | it'd be worth thinking about | 16:09 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Should I create a "wish" ticket and put you, paroneayea and myself on it, or should we just let this ride for now and touch on it at some point down the road? | 16:10 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: not sure, i'm guessing from the heated conversation (that i didn't read) that there was a problem with the merge | 16:23 |
| nyergler | i | 16:23 |
| nyergler | so... if there's something this will fix, great, if it's just a convenience, not so sure | 16:24 |
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| nkinkade | nyergler: Do we care to keep logs for i.CC.net? | 17:36 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: hrm | 17:36 |
| nyergler | i don't think so; also, should 99.999% just be redirects now, iirc | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Okay good ... the way I configured it to ignore CC.net logs was also catching i.CC.net, so just wanted to be sure. :-) | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | The solution in this case is easy: do nothing! | 17:38 |
| mralex | paroneayea: do you use a particular ergonomic keyboard? | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | mralex: yes | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | mralex: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ | 18:09 |
| mralex | paroneayea: ah, that's what i was thinking it was | 18:09 |
| mralex | paroneayea: recommended? | 18:10 |
| paroneayea | I like it. | 18:10 |
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| paroneayea | depending on how easily it packs, I may be bringing it w/ me to SF this week | 18:11 |
| mralex | paroneayea: it'll be making an appearance in jen's ergonomics presentation tomorrow | 18:12 |
| paroneayea | good topic | 18:13 |
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| paroneayea | mralex: I also use foot pedals, though I suspect I'd have a harder time convincing others of the need to use those :) http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/fs-savant-elite.htm | 18:16 |
| mralex | curious | 18:17 |
| mralex | what keystrokes are they tied to? | 18:17 |
| mralex | or actions | 18:17 |
| paroneayea | I turn them backwards, put the front of my foot on books, and press with my heel on the backs | 18:17 |
| paroneayea | ctrl, alt (and shift in the middle, which I don't use much) | 18:18 |
| mralex | nifty | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | strain-free keyboard chording | 18:20 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler (or anyone): does diane have a username on Roundup? | 18:30 |
| paroneayea | for nosying | 18:30 |
| * paroneayea doesn't see it | 18:30 | |
| paroneayea | oh, user list :X | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | looks like answer is "no | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | " | 18:31 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: !!!! | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/pr2/overview is a robot in the tech budget | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | it's only $400,000 | 22:19 |
| paroneayea | o | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | |__ | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | \ o) | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | ||--C >>>> >>>> | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | / \ | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | _L___L_ | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | (O_O_O_O) | 22:20 |
| mralex1 | short circuit, all growed up | 22:23 |
| paroneayea | haha | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | also a telecommuter robot | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/texai/hardware | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | http://www.willowgarage.com/pages/texai/principles hahah | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | cool that it's mostly (all?) free software though | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | http://opencv.willowgarage.com/wiki/ vision software looks fun | 22:25 |
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| JED3 | nyergler: is samplingplus deprecated? if not, why? | 23:25 |
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