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| euthymos | Hi, can I use a by-nc-nd licensed audio track as the background music of my videogame? | 14:32 |
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| euthymos | the author of the work is unreachable | 14:33 |
| euthymos | thanks in advance | 14:33 |
| euthymos | nobody knows? | 14:35 |
| paroneayea | euthymos: will your game be sold, ever? | 14:40 |
| euthymos | never, but it's closed source | 14:40 |
| paroneayea | probably you could use it. | 14:40 |
| paroneayea | check out: | 14:40 |
| euthymos | I respect both "by" and "nc" clause. I'm doubtful as of "nd" | 14:41 |
| paroneayea | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Defining_Noncommercial http://mirrors.creativecommons.org/defining-noncommercial/Defining_Noncommercial_fullreport.pdf | 14:41 |
| paroneayea | yeah the ND clause | 14:41 |
| euthymos | I don't think the problem is "non commercial" | 14:41 |
| paroneayea | I guess it might depend on if your game is considered derivative also | 14:41 |
| euthymos | well the game doesn't rely on the music | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | which is a tough one | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | I'm guessing it's not considered derivative on the code end but | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | on the content end I'm not sure | 14:42 |
| euthymos | :( | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | although | 14:42 |
| paroneayea | you're not changing the work itself. Tough call | 14:42 |
| euthymos | that's tricky | 14:43 |
| paroneayea | greg-g: thoughts? | 14:43 |
| euthymos | what would you do? I'm thinking about writing a line in the README: if you are the author of the track, and have anything against this usage, please drop me a line | 14:43 |
| euthymos | that's because there's no way to contact the guys who made the work | 14:44 |
| paroneayea | well personally what I would do is release the game as FOSS and use a BY-SA compatible license, so what I would do isn't very helpful here ;) | 14:45 |
| paroneayea | er, use something with a | 14:45 |
| * greg-g reads scroll back | 14:46 | |
| euthymos | I use to release FOSS software but there are particular reasons why I'm not doing so this time, though not commercial ones. | 14:46 |
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| greg-g | euthymos: playing the BY-NC-ND audio in the background of a videogame would be considered a derivative, thus, not allowed. | 14:47 |
| greg-g | see 1.a. of the license "For the avoidance of doubt, where the Work is a musical work, performance or phonogram, the synchronization of the Work in timed-relation with a moving image ("synching") will be considered an Adaptation for the purpose of this License." | 14:47 |
| greg-g | from http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/legalcode | 14:47 |
| euthymos | synching? | 14:47 |
| euthymos | Uhm...I see... if the music "starts" when the game "starts" then it's synched | 14:48 |
| greg-g | playing a song as a certain time. | 14:48 |
| greg-g | yeah | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | euthymos: basically you're layering the music with a "performance" of the game | 14:48 |
| greg-g | or, "play this song when entering this area of the level" is also synching | 14:48 |
| paroneayea | well actually, that's not the syncing thing | 14:48 |
| greg-g | but, IANAL and TINLA | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | though I think both apply :) | 14:49 |
| paroneayea | what greg-g said, all of it ;) | 14:49 |
| greg-g | but, I read these license text all the time :) | 14:49 |
| euthymos | sure | 14:49 |
| euthymos | I get the point | 14:49 |
| euthymos | thanks you guys! | 14:50 |
| greg-g | cool | 14:50 |
| greg-g | you're very welcome | 14:50 |
| euthymos | I think I'll make some effort to contact the author or I'll make some crappy music myself :P | 14:52 |
| euthymos | see you :) | 14:52 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: heya | 15:00 |
| paroneayea | did anything change on staging.cc.org that might have lead to the i18n script breaking? | 15:00 |
| nkinkade | Hey. | 15:00 |
| nkinkade | Not that I know of. | 15:00 |
| paroneayea | hrm :\ | 15:01 |
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| nyergler | JED3: ping | 16:19 |
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| czd | hi | 17:28 |
| czd | can I use CC-BY stuff in gfdl projects? | 17:29 |
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| greg-g | czd: yes, just be sure to attribute the original author(s), provide a link to the source material, and a link to the license (eg: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/). | 17:36 |
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| czd | greg-g thanks, so the result is a double licensed project? | 17:38 |
| czd | found this http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Interoperability_between_Creative_Commons_licenses_and_GFDL | 17:47 |
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| greg-g | czd: right, it is "one-way compatible" CC:BY -> GFDL. Just be sure to attribute the original authors. Think of it like a BSD/MIT license. | 18:09 |
| czd | greg-g ok, I ask because the source is 3 years orld | 18:11 |
| czd | old | 18:12 |
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| greg-g | czd: ok. Same thing applies :) | 18:21 |
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| CC_Hudson | Project cc.engine build (152): SUCCESS in 6 min 8 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/152/ | 19:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: util.public_domin_mark, not util.public_domain_certification | 19:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Apparently accidentally killed a comma here | 19:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: These helptexts aren't cc0 specific | 19:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Reindenting these things whose text has changed *anyway*.... | 19:31 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: REVERTME POSTLAUNCH: temporarily removing the msgids so these won't | 19:31 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: I'm about to move support.CC.org/www to creativecommons.net/www ... | 19:37 |
| nkinkade | I see you're editing a file, and just didn't want this to confuse you. | 19:38 |
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| nyergler | nkinkade: JED3 is at lunch at the moment | 20:09 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: Thanks. | 20:09 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade hey were the files moved? | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | JED3: A few minutes ago. | 20:16 |
| nkinkade | I just sent the email notifying about it. | 20:17 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: great thank you | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | orite | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | JED3: nkinkade: nyergler: cc tech call, 12 minutes? | 20:18 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: JED3: paroneayea: yes, a very quick one | 20:18 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Do OpenID requests bypass Varnish and go straight to port 8080? | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | I can't find anything in the varnish logs about /openid/provider/ | 20:21 |
| nkinkade | I do see entries in the Apache log, but nothing in the Varnish log. | 20:23 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Also, can you remind me why we're running rabbitmq on a9? | 20:24 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: we can remove rabbitmq, it was for a past experiment with cc.net | 20:24 |
| JED3 | no longer being used | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | JED3: About the openid logs ... nevermind. | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | I just realized that it's all https, and Varnish doesn't do https. | 20:24 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: ahh | 20:24 |
| nkinkade | rabbitmq-server is now removed from a9. | 20:26 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: nkinkade: we' | 20:32 |
| nyergler | re dialed in | 20:32 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.license build (31): SUCCESS in 2 min 23 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.license/31/ | 20:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing creator->author and {author|curator}->{author|curator}_title | 20:35 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New development version number | 20:35 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: oh right! | 20:46 |
| paroneayea | add to that list of everything-that-must-be-done-pre-pdm-launch: | 20:46 |
| paroneayea | checking in the new assets in www/ (and getting them up on the live site during launch) | 20:46 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: are these CSS assets for PDM/CC0? | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yes | 20:47 |
| nyergler | (and if so, are you the person to do that?) | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | yeah I can do it | 20:47 |
| CC_Hudson | Project cc.engine build (153): SUCCESS in 3 min 49 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/153/ | 21:04 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Changing creator->author and {author|curator}->{author|curator}_title in pdmark/details.pt | 21:04 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: "free of copyright" -> "free of known copyright", in tests too! | 21:04 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Updated the view_tests.json for recent PDM formatter changes | 21:04 |
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| greg-g | btw guys, you may have ruined me by being so anal about URLs at CC. Now, working in "the real world" where such things are not taken as seriously I start to give myself headaches/heartburn/ulcers | 21:07 |
| greg-g | ;) | 21:07 |
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| nyergler | greg-g: just doing our job ;) | 21:11 |
| paxcoder | Am I right in assuming that content released in CC-BY can use GFDL'd material if the end result is CC-BY-SA? | 21:14 |
| paxcoder | *under | 21:14 |
| nyergler | paxcoder: i don't think GFDL allows that relicensing in the general case (but IANAL) | 21:14 |
| nyergler | iirc there was a limited window for re-licensing GFDL to BY-SA | 21:15 |
| paxcoder | nyergler, are you not familiar with the Wikipedia case? | 21:15 |
| paxcoder | Limited in what sense? | 21:15 |
| greg-g | it was a time window, paxcoder | 21:15 |
| nyergler | paxcoder: i'm looking for the specific reference | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | limited time offer, relicense now! | 21:16 |
| paxcoder | Really? Ok, that's uber new for me... | 21:16 |
| greg-g | If A) the website was a massively multi-user editable site and B) you made the change between such and such dates | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | (now being the past) | 21:16 |
| nyergler | paxcoder: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFDL_1.3#Compatibility_with_Creative_Commons_licensing_terms | 21:16 |
| nyergler | GFDL required the work to be in existence before 1 nov 2008 | 21:17 |
| nyergler | and had to relicense by 1 august 2009 | 21:17 |
| paxcoder | Wow, didn't know that. | 21:18 |
| nyergler | see also, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl-1.3-faq.html | 21:18 |
| paxcoder | If I make my article CC-BY alone, then it can be used in both GFDL and CC-BY-SA though, right? | 21:18 |
| nyergler | sure | 21:19 |
| paxcoder | Yeah, but it's compatible with NCC-BY-DSA-$ONLY | 21:20 |
| paxcoder | Dilemma | 21:20 |
| nyergler | i have no idea what NCC-BY-DSA-$ONLY means, sorry | 21:21 |
| paxcoder | it means non-free stuff. | 21:21 |
| CC_Hudson | Project deedscraper build (49): SUCCESS in 1 min 26 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/deedscraper/49/ | 21:21 |
| CC_Hudson | * JED3: Fixing a keyerror in the foaf:name fallback | 21:21 |
| CC_Hudson | * Nathan R. Yergler: Install coverage and generate scripts on buildout. | 21:21 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: what's the procedure for pushing a new image to i.cc.org | 21:24 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: scp :) | 21:24 |
| nkinkade | That's pretty much it. :-) | 21:25 |
| nyergler | like, we should use imgsplat | 21:25 |
| paroneayea | good procedure! | 21:25 |
| nyergler | (in the fullness of time) | 21:25 |
| paxcoder | CC-BY-SA. I'm a Copyleft guy. | 21:26 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: et al; how does moving zupport.creativecommons.org to staging.creativecommons.net sound? | 21:34 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Are these valid URLs: https://creativecommons.net/o/endpoint/ | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I like it. | 22:18 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes, i just added those as redirects | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | JED3: To what? | 22:19 |
| JED3 | we'll need to grep for that url as well | 22:19 |
| JED3 | openid/provider | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | JED3: What are all the possible URL patterns that I need to be looking for? | 22:19 |
| JED3 | just those 2 | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | Okay, cool. Thanks. | 22:19 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: you may already know, but looks like a typo bug on the results page for the large badge (under the radio box) | 22:20 |
| nyergler | http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/mark/results?work_title=&creator=&creator_href=&curator=&curator_href=&field1=continue | 22:20 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: actually dont bother with o/endpoint, they'll all be 301's anyways | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Couldn't there still be privacy concern with the redirect? | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: What do you think ^^^ | 22:20 |
| paroneayea | nyergler: yup, fixing :) | 22:20 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: yes, we should strip, but probably just omit o/endpoint | 22:21 |
| nyergler | the query string could contain information we don't want to store | 22:21 |
| nyergler | (ie, where people are logging in) | 22:21 |
| nyergler | nkinkade: so if we replace openid/provider with the placeholder | 22:21 |
| nyergler | and strip o/endpoint | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | nyergler: How about if we just replace both? | 22:21 |
| nyergler | we'll be able to accurately count requests and not store information we don't want | 22:21 |
| nyergler | replacing both makes our counts wrong by an indeterminate amount, unfortunately | 22:22 |
| nyergler | :/ | 22:22 |
| nyergler | paroneayea: awesome, thanks | 22:22 |
| nkinkade | JED3: So /o/endpoint/ just redirects to /openid/provider/?? | 22:23 |
| nkinkade | To be sure I'm understanding this. | 22:23 |
| nyergler | yes | 22:23 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes | 22:23 |
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| CC_Hudson | Christopher Allan Webber: PDM logo image src was wrong for 88x31, fixed | 22:29 |
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| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: Adding a colon here per Roundup 135 | 22:50 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: New development version # | 22:50 |
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| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: /l/zero/ -> /p/zero/ ... see roundup 651 | 22:54 |
| CC_Hudson | * Christopher Allan Webber: missed marking deed.help.who_is_affirmer for translation earlier | 22:54 |
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| paroneayea | ㎭ 益 | 22:54 |
| paroneayea | stuff is up on staging & looking nice | 22:55 |
| nyergler | b | 23:01 |
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