Tuesday, 2010-10-05

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greg-ghey nkinkade/nyergler, when I login to my openid account, the interface is different, this is expected, correct? Also, there shouldn't be any weirdness with loggin into sites that we've associated our cc.net openids with before, right?00:41
greg-gI ask because I'm having issues with tomboy-online (but, as it is a new service, they could be having issues as well, so I'll keep this channel updated on what they find)00:41
nkinkadegreg-g: I'm not sure.  This new implementation was handled by John ... I'm assuming that the expectation is that it will be seamless.00:42
greg-gyeah, the new interface is a bit, uh, surprising00:42
nkinkadeMaybe you can ping John tomorrow sometime?00:42
greg-gwill do, thanks nkinkade00:42
nkinkadeSorry I can't be of more help.00:42
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poswaldHello everyone... where is a good place to ask questions about the *copyright* notice when forking a BSD licensed project?06:18
nevyn3 clause or 4 clause?06:19
poswaldI think it's 3 clause06:20
poswaldlet me make sure06:20
nevynposwald: what's the problem exactly?06:20
poswaldI found a project that may or may not be abandoned on github. I've forked it and am now making substantial changes to it06:20
nevynyou just don't touch it unless you change the code substancially and then you have a derived work so the most you can do is add your copyright to it.06:20
nevynhowever you don't have to licence your changes as bsd nessicarilly but it's kinda rude to slap gpl on changes to a bsd project.06:21
poswaldRight... I want to add an AUTHORS.txt and credit all of the people who worked on it so far, so I was going to change the copyright to (C) [original author's name] and others. See AUTHORS.txt for more info06:21
nevynthat would seem fine. however I'd attempt to contact the original authors and get their view.06:22
poswaldOK... I don't want to change the license, I just don't really get how copyright works when the file claims one person has copyright but the history of the project has 2 or 3 people06:23
poswaldit seems like everyone who has contributed something substantial has a copyright claim06:23
poswaldso i figure the copyright notice should reflect that06:24
nevynwhich is whymodern projects have signoff and revision control tools with blame etc.06:24
nevynbut historically we've all just trusted each other for the most part and gotten along06:24
nevynposwald: the copyright notice is probably technically wrong but the contributors were happy with it and didn't want to push the primary developer on the issue etc?06:25
nevynposwald: who knows really but blah.06:25
poswaldok cool... I the contributors probably didn't even look at the license06:26
nevynsome people are just focused on fixing their problem and pushing it upstream means it stays fixed.06:26
nevynand not stressed about the whole attribution thing06:26
nevynI mean I would be.06:26
nevynbut. I'm hanging out in #cc ;)06:27
poswaldThe original guy has "author: name" in many of the files so he seems a bit anal about ownership06:27
poswaldI think the idea of a file "owner" is best left to the vcs personally06:27
nevyngit ftw06:27
nevynright git blame to find out who wrote what.06:27
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (146): SUCCESS in 5 min 13 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/146/16:10
CC_HudsonChristopher Allan Webber: Removing "Translations" link at top of deeds, per mike's request16:10
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (147): SUCCESS in 3 min 23 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/147/16:28
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Changing your->you hedre per diane's email16:28
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Removing phrase "if more than one", per diane's email16:28
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Changing license.mark.preview_waiver translation16:28
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mralexJED3: ping16:53
JED3mralex: hey17:05
mralexJED3: see that Registration Link email? We need to get those old help pages back up today.17:06
JED3mralex: yeah, im at the doctors office right now, but pulled out my laptop for that very reason :)17:07
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paroneayeamralex: hullo18:23
mralexparoneayea: i was just about to ping you18:24
paroneayeaI know!  The mind probes I planted in the CC office sent off a desktop notification18:24
paroneayeathough anyway I was also going to ask you about the PDM images on i.cc.org18:25
mralexdo i need to get you images?18:25
mralexalso is there anything i need to do with the chooser? layout/css wise?18:25
paroneayeaI does not has!18:26
paroneayeayeah there might be one other thing also18:26
mralexwill get those to you today!18:26
paroneayeakk thx18:26
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paroneayeait sound like mike linksvayer wants the free culture seal on the new CC0 deed18:26
mralexthat should drop-in18:27
mralexfrom the other deed templates18:27
paroneayeaI'll try that then18:27
paroneayeaif it gets funny looking I'll ping you18:28
paroneayeaand that's it afaik18:28
paroneayeathx for your help18:28
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (148): SUCCESS in 3 min 32 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/148/18:48
CC_HudsonChristopher Allan Webber: Learn more link for no-endorsement18:48
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nyerglerparoneayea: did you pick up that the CC0 formatter should start using i.cc.org/p/zero/... images? (it's in an issue, I think,just double checking)18:49
nyerglerand that should be the new image from mralex18:49
paroneayeanyergler: yup18:50
paroneayeaoh right18:50
paroneayeaoh I guess I don't need to tell mralex, looks like he already did it! (?)18:50
paroneayeaor at least, there are images there18:51
mralexi haven't gotten to PDM icons yet18:51
paroneayeamralex: oh, I was talking about the CC0 icons18:52
paroneayeaI think there are also supposed to be new CC0 icons18:52
mralexthere are actually. thanks fro reminding me.18:53
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paroneayeayup :)18:53
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JED3mralex: is drupal using the cc theme now? not cc.20101004?19:05
mralexJED3: it still appears to be using 2010100419:06
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mralexi haven't spent any time today looking into why.19:06
JED3mralex: weird, it must only be using the tpl files from there19:06
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JED3i just added a static file that was 404, until i moved it to "cc"19:06
mralexit's still pulling CSS and JS from the dated directory, at least19:07
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paroneayeanyergler: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/PDM_FAQ#Am_I_required_to_attribute_the_author_of_the_work.2C_or_the_person_who_applied_the_PDM_to_the_work.3F is this the one I'm supposed to link to in the citation pdmark popup?19:29
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (149): SUCCESS in 3 min 28 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/149/19:43
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Adding learn more link to help_all_jurisdictions19:43
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Adding learn more link to help_publicity_rights19:43
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: What I believe to be the correct learn more link for help_citation_help19:43
JED3hey paroneayea19:56
JED3are you moderating tomorrow?19:56
paroneayeayo JED319:56
paroneayeayeah :X19:56
paroneayeaassuming my reception doesn't flake out!19:56
paroneayeagot something you want to discuss?19:57
JED3well the staff updates script failed to send out the updates again this week19:57
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JED3just sent you an email with everyone's updates, you might want to send that out to cc-staff19:57
paroneayeaJED3: do you think the JS is done both on CC0 and PDM?20:11
paroneayeajust so I can see if I can check off that on my tree of tasks20:11
JED3paroneayea: yessum20:12
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (150): SUCCESS in 6 min 47 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/150/21:12
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: Uncommenting cc0 free culture seal, though it's not showing21:12
CC_Hudson* Christopher Allan Webber: That tal:condition="license/libre" condition no longer applies with the new cc.license :\21:12
paroneayeamralex: thx for the buttons, which I now has!21:13
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CC_HudsonProject cc.engine build (151): SUCCESS in 6 min 43 sec: http://code.creativecommons.org/hudson/job/cc.engine/151/21:22
CC_HudsonChristopher Allan Webber: CC0 citation help link21:22
paroneayeaJED3: thx again for passing that along / reminding me to pass to the cc staff ml21:40
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nyerglerparoneayea: can you and i chat tomorrow AM either right before or after the staff call?23:18
nyerglerwould like to sync up on PDM23:18
paroneayeanyergler: sure thing23:18
nyerglerdo you have a preference?23:18
paroneayeaI'd prefer after since I'm running the call23:18
nyergleri'll ping you post-call23:18
paroneayeakk cool23:19
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