Thursday, 2010-06-10

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nkinkadeJED3: Yeah?00:29
JED3nkinkade: hey, is the email field for a civi contact enforced as a unique value?00:29
nkinkadeJED3: I don't think so.00:30
JED3can there be multiple contact records with the same email?00:30
nkinkadeJED3: I think so, but if you add the contact using CiviCRM's interfaces it will try to recognize that and update the existing contact.00:30
JED3nkinkade: okay, thanks!00:32
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alabdGood day all , one text license is copy lefted or copy righted no difference ,should we pay attention to a license lawfully , when we want copy text somewhere exactly yes ? and no problem to paraphrase text and then copy it ? yes ?14:15
greg-galabd: could you please be more specific with the question you are asking?14:21
alabdgreg-g: sure , a text has been licensed and we should not copy it , now can we paraphrase text and change sentence then write it somewhere , is this legal ?14:23
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alabdgreg-g:  is not clear ?14:26
greg-gWhich license is the text licensed under?14:27
alabdgreg-g:  does it matter ? e.g CC14:27
greg-gyes, it matters greatly14:27
alabde.g CC14:28
alabdreally don't you know after paraphrasing a text it will be under license or not ? greg-g ?14:30
greg-galabd: paraphrasing is legal in all cases yes as you are not copying the original text.14:31
greg-gbut "should we pay attention to a license lawfully , when we want copy text somewhere exactly yes" is different14:31
alabdgreg-g:  thanks do you have any source for this > paraphrasing is legal in all cases yes as you are not copying the original text.14:32
greg-gUS Copyright law14:33
greg-gbut, don't take what you hear from some random person on IRC as legal advice14:33
greg-gI'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice14:33
greg-gBut, Copyright Law only applies to "copying" the original work, in most cases.14:34
greg-gThere are some exceptions (see: the recent Catcher in the Rye case)14:34
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alabdgreg-g:  you mean it may differ for each license ?14:40
greg-git may differ on the specifics of what you copied/paraphrased14:40
greg-gI would need a specific emaple if you want me to help you decide what to do14:40
alabdgreg-g: am writing a Ubuntu Book  , for some parts of book like historical , philosophic , definitions , ... humble(i) used some sentence from , , and some persian websites , .. but paraphrased them14:43
greg-gif you truly paraphrased them, then you should be fine. And text from Wikipedia is licensed under the CC:BY-SA license, which means you can use the text verbatimly (or in chunks) as long as you credit the source (wikipedia) and license you work under CC:BY-SA14:44
alabdno book is hard book14:45
alabdand can not be in CCBYSA14:45
alabdbut how is true paraphrase greg-g ??14:45
greg-gwhy can it not be CC:BY-SA?14:48
alabdmethink we have not such thing in our country for hardbooks14:48
alabdgreg-g: am in hurry , would you answer these 2 question 1 - how is true paraphrase  ? maybe one example ?14:49
greg-gI can not give you an example, I'm sorry. Look up the definition of paraphrase on wikipedia, maybe?14:49
greg-gand, any book can be licensed under a CC:BY-SA license, no matter the country14:49
alabd2 - here see first 4 lines , Ubuntu is an ancient ....  can we copy this facts or definitions too with out paraphrase ?14:50
greg-galabd: copyright law is probably different where you are, and I don't feel comfortable giving you legal advice for a book that you presumably will be selling14:52
alabdgreg-g: you advice for your country or generally14:55
alabdhere see first 4 lines , Ubuntu is an ancient ....14:55
alabdthat 4 lines are definition of a ubuntu word14:55
alabdcan not we copy in also ?14:55
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lotiagreetings all. any pointers to README/SETUP/INSTALL files for the discovered code. I've cloned and have a fully updated git repo (off Gitorious). I glanced at the quickstart script. Should I read it more closely?14:59
alabdin other word how do humble(i) paraphrase this line for example : Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.  greg-g14:59
alabdis it possible ?14:59
alabdany opinion ?15:07
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alabdgreg-g:  am asking this question cause of juridical issue not cause of law , because our country law says you can copy outsider softwares15:12
alabdthis is why humble say you tell me as a US people15:12
greg-galabd: software is not literature. And that is why I don't want to give you much advice, because I don't know the laws of your coutnry15:12
alabdgreg-g:  am asking this question cause of juridical issue not cause of law , because our country law says you can copy outsider softwares15:13
alabdand humble am allowed to copy all text from outsider sources15:13
alabdhis is why humble say you tell me as a US people15:13
alabdam asking this question cause of islam juridical15:14
alabdwould you answer those 2 questions ? thanks15:14
greg-gI'm sorry alabd, I don't feel comfortable answer your questions due to laws I do not understand. I don't want to give you incorrect advice.15:15
alabdgreg-g: to be sure check iran law to be sure that humble am alllowed to copy all text from outsider of country15:16
alabdcheck and answer me then15:16
greg-galabd: sorry, no. I will not read all of Iran copyright law and answer your question.15:16
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lotiagreg-g: you're such a slacker15:22
lotiawhat will you do at lunch today.15:23
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greg-glotia: :) I guess going over to the law library and getting the Irian law code to peruse15:23
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lotiaalabd: respectfully. a wikipedia entry cannot possibly be used to provide guidance on the use of IP.15:54
alabda question : humanity says think all people are human and doing lawfully unless reverse of it be cleared for you15:58
alabdnow do you think am humble telling lie ?15:58
alabdyou can answer and you will not be responsible if even humble was not true man , am humble wrong15:59
alabdhow do you think15:59
alabdanyway thanks a  lot god peace you bye16:01
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JED3nkinkade: ping17:22
nkinkadeJED3: Hi.17:24
JED3nkinkade: what are you thoughts on pushing the code i've been working on for the ccnet.php version to drupal.git?17:25
JED3should i create a seperate repo, or having you been doing a fair amount of customization in drupal.git anyways?17:26
nkinkadeJED3: I haven't done too many modifications to drupal.git, if any, other than adding Drupal modules.17:30
nkinkadeI definitely don't think we should have a different repo, but a different branch might make sense.17:30
nkinkadeAt least for testing.17:31
JED3okay, yeah i'm hesitant to create another repo, its only 3 custom modules and some theme modifications17:32
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JED3nkinkade: can you look over this module for me?17:35
JED3i want to make sure that i'm integrating sanely with civicrm17:35
nkinkadeJED3: What aspect of it did you want me to check?  A gave it quick glance and nothing stood out as wrong.17:42
JED3nkinkade: just the civi api calls17:42
nkinkadeIt's a Drupal module, or a CiviCRM module?17:42
JED3 although it may make more sense as the latter17:43
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nkinkadeJED3: Have you done any testing with the module yet?17:47
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JED3nkinkade: locally yes17:47
nkinkadeI guess I wasn't aware that you could use CiviCRM hooks from within a Drupal module.17:47
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JED3nkinkade: in the receipt letters, is it possible for us include directions on how they can set up a profile?17:55
JED3right now the instructional emails are sent from the side17:55
nkinkadeJED3: Sure.  The receipt is just a message template.17:56
JED3okay great17:56
nkinkadeBut the receipt will go to everyone, regardless of how much they donated.17:56
nkinkadeI suppose we could have two separate receipts.17:56
nkinkadeAdmin -> Configure -> Message Temples17:56
nkinkade(in CiviCRM)17:57
JED3ohh, or we could just ask everyone to create a profile and mention "and if you donated about the 75 amount, you'll get extra stuff"17:57
JED3nkinkade: can you delegate the templates based on how much they gave?17:57
nkinkadeJED3: The code code certain could.17:57
nkinkadeJED3: I think the best place for that to be handled will be in the javascript on /donate, or wherever else people donate from.17:58
nkinkade... rather than adding that config to OneClick itself.17:58
JED3nkinkade: okay, like setting a email_template param before heading to oneclick?18:00
nkinkadeJED3: There is already a &receipt= query param.18:00
nkinkadeIt's value is just the db ID of the message template to use.18:01
JED3ohh okay good, that should be difficult to add then18:01
akozaknkinkade, I had no idea webmaster@ got so much traffic18:16
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akozakterrible, terrible traffic18:20
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JED3ehh looks like actually haven't checked my "Dear CC" folder in a week or two18:41
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greg-gnkinkade: mralex: ummm is giving me an error19:35
nkinkadegreg-g: I just upgraded SMW and Semantic Forms.19:35
nkinkadeSurely it's that.19:35
greg-git is a "No Such Special page" error19:36
akozakoh shi- I hope AddData isn't a dead page in the new version19:36
akozaklet me check19:36
nkinkadeakozak: I'm also wondering about the 5 or 6 other "Semantic" extensions we have and whether they are compatible with SMW
akozaknkinkade, they should be19:38
akozakForms for sure is19:38
akozakI think Yaron got rid of AddData, but didn't implement any redirects or anything19:39
akozakthe new special page for forms is FormStart19:39
akozakI thought he had made this change a while back and AddData was the new page, which is why I wasn't worried about it.19:40
akozakBut we might have to find/replace all instances of AddData on the wiki and replace it with something else19:40
nkinkadeakozak: What do you propose?19:41
nkinkadeShould I revert the update?19:41
akozaknkinkade, that's one option, the other is to install the find/replace mediawiki extension and just update the form links (or I can do it manually)19:41
akozakI'm looking into what the URLs need to be changed to19:42
nkinkadeakozak: I'll let you decide which is the best route.19:42
akozaknkinkade, ok I'll get back to you asap.19:42
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akozaknkinkade, I should be able to do it all manually19:45
akozakI can search for AddData and replace it with FormEdit19:45
akozaknkinkade, ah looks like somethings up with Semantic Maps19:46
greg-gglad someone asked me about the grants thing :/19:47
akozakthanks greg-g :)19:47
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mralexJED3: if your search engine api notes handy can you send me a copy?20:02
akozaknkinkade, sending an email about the updates20:10
akozakI'll just list and link to the extensions that should probably be updated20:10
JED3mralex: built this while ago when i was playing with the google image api20:51
mralexJED3: hmmm, nifty20:51
mralexJED3: i've built out this ui, no js yet,
JED3oo00oo sexy20:53
mralexJED3: i was thinking of maybe including a short sleection of search results under the search bar, with a More Results link.20:54
mralexthus api hooks20:55
JED3mralex: hey thats a pretty good idea20:55
JED3that makes the user-with-javascript-disabled story really easy to accommodate, if they don't have js enabled, they won't get the cool autocompleted results20:56
mralexbut if there were no api available, im not sure what it would do20:57
mralexjust go straight to the site, i guess20:57
JED3whereas i was wracking my brain on how an API powered search would approach that problem20:57
mralexbut i like the idea of being able to change provider and see different results instantly. so no api means an extra click.20:58
JED3let me see if i can find the spread sheet i was using to track the cc REST parameters for each service20:58
JED3even a 1st result from each provider would be neat20:58
JED3typing in "cat" would show a photo from flickr, an article wikipedia, a video at blip, etc...20:59
mralexi know paulproteus would say just screen scrape ;)20:59
mralexoh i ee20:59
mralexyeah, that's an option20:59
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mralexJED3: i see search.WebSearch and search.ImageSearch both have setRestrictions methods; i wonder if you could use the ImageSearch usage restrictions constants in the WebSearch?21:38
JED3mralex: you can't :/21:38
mralexaw :/21:38
JED3yeah, the license filters in ImageSearch are relatively new21:39
JED3just a couple months old i think21:39
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paulproteusD'oh, /me wants to look at mralex's UI but can't.21:40
mralexpaulproteus: voila,
paulproteusmralex: Yay!21:42
nkinkademralex: The big yellow box "This isn't what I was looking for!" is great.21:44
paulproteus(seriously great.)21:46
mralexall it needs now is the js backend from the current one, and it'll probably be functional.21:47
paroneayeamralex: oh wow, NICE!21:47
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akozaknkinkade, jane pointed out to me that drilldown is currently broken as well21:59
nkinkadeakozak: Yeah, I'm upgrading things now, but it's going slow because of the way we do things with git-svn.22:00
nkinkadeI've hit some snags.22:00
akozaknkinkade, no problem. let me know if i can help with anything.22:00
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nkinkadeakozak: What's a URL where I check Drilldown22:04
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akozaklooks to be fine22:04
nkinkadeakozak: I just upgraded it.22:04
nkinkadeakozak: I also updated ParserFunctions, I think, is there a way you know to check it?22:04
akozaknkinkade, not other than looking at Special:Version and making sure none of my templates are broken.22:05
akozakI'll poke around22:05
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nkinkadeakozak: I upgraded SemanticMaps but /Events is now emitting an error.23:09
nkinkadeJust mentioning such that 4 eyes are better than 2.23:09
JED3nkinkade: ping23:10
nkinkadeJED3: Yeah.23:10
JED3hey, do you know much about CiviMember?23:10
JED3specifically the "Membership Types"23:10
akozaknkinkade, could be because Semantic Maps depends on Maps?23:11
nkinkadeakozak: Maps is up to 0.6.2 also.23:11
nkinkadeLooks like it could be the ext. Validator.23:11
nkinkadeDammit MW is a pain in the ass.23:11
JED3nkinkade: could we use the Membership Types rules to decide who gets a profile?23:12
akozakwhy's that? :P23:12
nkinkadeUpgrading it always seems to be a pain in the ass, and extensions are a pain in the ass, and recently it seems to have been behind the problems on a7.23:13
nkinkadeI just never seem to touch MW, but it causes me grief.23:13
akozakuh oh.23:13
akozakwell let's see if I can't help with it.23:14
akozaknkinkade, looks like we need a new extension for semantic maps and maps23:17
akozakwhich is... annoying23:17
nkinkadeakozak: We already have that extension, but it's version is 0.223:17
nkinkadeI'm installing the new one.23:17
akozakok thanks nkinkade. I forgot about that dependency.23:18
nkinkadeThere has got to be a better way for all to be managed.23:18
nkinkadeThis is like RPM dependency hell, but in MW.23:18
nkinkadeThose days were gone with good package managers.23:19
akozaknkinkade, yea i agree. but my preference would be for less extension proliferation.23:19
nkinkadeextensions are good, but it's gets ugly when you have all these dependencies.23:20
nkinkadeAnd the whole "semantic" clusterfuck is a good example.23:20
nkinkadeI feel certain that some of the semantic-type extensions we wrote no longer work.23:21
akozaknot sure what the solution is though. the semantic suite is still sort of in its infancy23:22
akozakor maybe its been taken as far as it can go23:22
akozakgiven the limitations23:22
nkinkadeModularity is good, but none of these things is huge in terms of space.  It would be nice if you just installed a semantic "suite" and with it you get all the stuff you need ... else add some sort of dependency checking and resolution feature.  Neither is practical, it seems.23:26
nkinkadeakozak: Is there supposed to be a map on /Events?23:26
akozaknkinkade, yea working on it now23:26
akozaknkinkade, yaron koren created teh semantic bundle a while back23:26
nkinkadeI think all the pieces are updated now.23:26
akozakwhich is supposed to be that23:26
akozakok cool thanks23:26
nkinkadeBut the maps aren't working?23:26
akozaknkinkade, yea atm23:27
akozakI'm trying to figure out why23:27
nkinkadeakozak:  Is it something that I overlooked during the upgrades?23:27
akozaknkinkade, oh looks like I need to update the database and run a data update23:29
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