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| akozak | nkinkade, looks like the update didn't fix it. ill have to look into it tomorrow | 00:05 |
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| akozak | sorry, looks like the data update didn't re-enable maps on the Events page | 00:05 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Cool. Let me know if you think I should be investigating this as well ... though I know next to nothing about it all. :-) | 00:05 |
| akozak | the upgrade went fine :) | 00:05 |
| akozak | nkinkade, ok, thanks for the upgrade | 00:05 |
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| alabd | Good day all, Want to copy some texts that are licensed Free , so humble(i) should paraphrase those texts into My hard Book , but don't know how to paraphrase such thing like > "Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'. " first line here http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu | 05:33 |
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| alabd | can someone hold a definition under a license ? | 06:17 |
| alabd | for example ubuntu word definition | 06:17 |
| alabd | really 30 people here ? | 06:21 |
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| alabd | is question unclear ? | 06:38 |
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| alabd | Good day all , greg-g , is this a true paraphrase ? | 10:09 |
| alabd | main sentence : Shuleworth recognized the power of Linux and Open Source | 10:09 |
| alabd | paraphrased sentence : he was aware of Gnu/Linux profits that we explained completely before in that time | 10:09 |
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| alabd | any opinion ? | 10:23 |
| alabd | is this true rephrase to avoid copying and to use the main text in legal way ? | 10:26 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: ping | 15:59 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Hey. | 16:23 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: yo. So... | 16:34 |
| paroneayea | want to work on that vietnam & australian rdf stuff? | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | (or, might have time to work on that later today if you're presently busy?) | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: We can look at it now. | 16:35 |
| paroneayea | cool | 16:37 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: So does this just mean that I check out the code, and step through that wiki page? | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | let me take one last look to make sure you won't be wasting your time on something that's obviously out of date | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | but yes | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | I'm checking out license.rdf as we speak. | 16:45 |
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| paroneayea | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Managing_License_RDF#Adding_a_New_License_Version okay, so that looks right to me | 16:49 |
| akila87 | hello paroneayea, | 16:52 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: What branch should I be working on? | 16:59 |
| paroneayea | heya akila87 | 17:05 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: master | 17:05 |
| akila87 | paroneayea, i have updated the svn | 17:06 |
| paroneayea | akila87: great! :) | 17:06 |
| akila87 | but didn't added the picasa code. | 17:06 |
| akila87 | image selection by license should be implemented. | 17:08 |
| akila87 | i'll upload it after i added that. | 17:08 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 17:09 |
| paroneayea | sounds good :) | 17:09 |
| akila87 | paroneayea, i think nathany's idea is good. | 17:09 |
| akila87 | ill start working according to that. | 17:09 |
| paroneayea | great ) | 17:10 |
| paroneayea | :) | 17:10 |
| akila87 | i hope I can finish the GUI part in the weekend | 17:10 |
| akila87 | then we can do the changes accordingly, is that ok? | 17:11 |
| paroneayea | yup, sounds good | 17:12 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'm getting this as I buildout, seems to just be a warning, though: UserWarning: Unbuilt egg for setuptools [unknown version] | 17:15 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, someone in #mediawiki says maybe its stored in cache | 17:19 |
| nkinkade | Ah. | 17:19 |
| akozak | and says to purge memcached | 17:20 |
| akozak | which doesnt make sense to me | 17:20 |
| nkinkade | akozak: We're not using memcached, to my knowledge. | 17:20 |
| akozak | nkinkade, yea. | 17:20 |
| akozak | nkinkade, I'm still confused since the user said she's been locked out for hours. shouldn't the timer have expired? | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I would have thought so. | 17:21 |
| akozak | maybe she really just means she doesn't know her password | 17:21 |
| akozak | which is why I sent the details to reset pwd in mysql | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | That could be, maybe you could just email her and verify. | 17:22 |
| akozak | ok | 17:22 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 17:22 |
| akozak | nkinkade, also from #mediawiki: or set $wgPasswordAttemptThrottle to null, ask the user to log in, then restore the setting? | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: running bin/jurisdiction --add mades lots of mysterious changes to jurisdictions.rdf ... git diff returns a confused mess, but I suspect it worked just fine. | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I feel like I tried that with Alessandra and came up empty. | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | It was another one of those moments where I was feeling down on MW. | 17:26 |
| nkinkade | But you could try that too, with this woman. | 17:27 |
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| akozak | heh nkinkade, you tend to see mw at its worst and never get to work with it at its best ;) | 17:28 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, working with in on the backend. From a user perspective I'm sure it's fine. | 17:30 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: did you figure out the UserWarning you were getting? | 17:31 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I didn't look into it. It appears that the buildout worked, and that those were just warnings. | 17:32 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yeah, but that warning will persist anytime you attempt to use setuptools | 17:33 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Do you know what caused it? | 17:34 |
| JED3 | yeah, you have an unbuilt setuptools egg | 17:34 |
| JED3 | sudo rm -fr /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/setuptools.egg-info; sudo apt-get install --reinstall python-setuptools | 17:35 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: ^ | 17:35 |
| JED3 | had to do this yesterday actually | 17:36 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Thanks. I'll see if that does it for me too. | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: The fab stuff isn't implemented yet, rigth? | 17:37 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: How do I update staging, again? You pasted this here in #cc recently, I think. | 17:39 |
| nkinkade | Nevermind about the fab stuff, I just saw the color legend at the top. | 17:40 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: hey sorry | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | was at lunch | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | yeah so | 17:58 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so as for a "whole bunch of changes" to the rdf, yeah | 17:59 |
| paroneayea | unfortunately it doesn't remember ordering and thus the whole thing is basically a recommit :( | 17:59 |
| paroneayea | that seems to be true with both rdflib and librdf | 17:59 |
| paroneayea | it's really painful when running the translation machinery on every deed and when regenerating index.rdf | 18:00 |
| paroneayea | as for updating staging | 18:00 |
| paroneayea | if you're just updating the RDF you really only need to do three steps | 18:01 |
| paroneayea | oh wait | 18:01 |
| paroneayea | hm that's not true :) | 18:01 |
| paroneayea | if you're doing an rdf update you're going to need to release a new package. | 18:01 |
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| paroneayea | Let me type up some instructions for that on the wiki. | 18:02 |
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| paroneayea | actually this raises some interesting questions. I should ask nathany | 18:09 |
| paroneayea | I wonder if we should be running git checkouts of cc.licenserdf on all servers rather than python eggs. | 18:09 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That seems like it would make things easier. | 18:15 |
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| nkinkade | At least from my perspective, but you and Nathan know a lot more (if not 100%) more about how things should work. | 18:15 |
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| paroneayea | yeah it probably would be a lot easier. | 18:17 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: well, nathan's not around. Maybe in the meanwhile it would make sense for me to make a package release of this for now and then make those fabric deploy scripts next? | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I still haven't added Australia 3.0. | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | oh :) | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | ok | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | So before you do that, let me add that. | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | cool. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | I was going to test incrementally with VN first. | 18:19 |
| paroneayea | makes sense. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | But if updating these requires building out new packages, then I guess it's best for me to do everything at once. | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | hm. | 18:20 |
| paroneayea | Hold on. I'm going to try switching staging over to not using an egg | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | we won't have the fabric scripts | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | but at least we won't have to make a package release | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | and you can test incrementally. | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | with just a couple of steps. | 18:21 |
| paroneayea | I'll do that now. | 18:21 |
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| paroneayea | yeah so | 18:35 |
| paroneayea | the license.rdf git checkout is 63mb in the compressed files in .git/ (776mb including the checked out files) and will likely just keep growing huge | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | grumble grumble | 18:36 |
| paroneayea | stupid rdf non-preservation of order | 18:36 |
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| paroneayea | done! | 18:41 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so it should be a lot easier to update on staging now. | 18:41 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: okay, so basically this is all you need to do for now | 18:47 |
| paroneayea | Update the git repository: | 18:48 |
| paroneayea | cd /var/www/staging.creativecommons.org/cc.engine_stage/license.rdf && git pull | 18:48 |
| paroneayea | oh | 18:48 |
| paroneayea | (you need to sudo su john to do this for now) | 18:48 |
| paroneayea | then: | 18:49 |
| paroneayea | cd .. | 18:49 |
| paroneayea | rm -rf cache/licenses | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | to clear the cache | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | and then restart apache | 18:50 |
| paroneayea | and you should be good. | 18:50 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Why is restarting Apache necessary? | 18:52 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: cc.license caches some of the queries it does to the RDF store | 18:55 |
| paroneayea | and since cc.engine is launched by apache now (via fcgid) | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Will a reload be good enough? | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | I suspect that will be adequate | 18:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: 776M! | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | yeah it's crazy | 18:57 |
| nkinkade | That's a lot of text. So we stopped saving RDF in separate files? | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | we do save them in separate files. | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | and then combine them also into one big file :) | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | oh man | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | did I document that? | 18:57 |
| paroneayea | if you're updating the deeds you're going to need to update index.rdf | 18:58 |
| paroneayea | oh, but you used to update index.rdf before iirc right? | 18:58 |
| paroneayea | that's not a new thing | 18:58 |
| paroneayea | though it has a new command. | 18:58 |
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| paroneayea | ./bin/merge cc/licenserdf/licenses/*.rdf | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | you need to run this to generate the new index.rdf | 19:03 |
| paroneayea | I've documented that bit now. | 19:06 |
| paroneayea | wait wtf | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | OH | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | you know what's taking up 700 mb or so? :D | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | it's the old deeds! | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | which we don't even use any more! | 19:07 |
| paroneayea | I'm gonna git rm those | 19:07 |
| nkinkade | Nice. Because I was at a loss to explain 750M of text ... that's a lot of text. | 19:10 |
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| alabd | Good day all , can definitions/facts/historical events be copyrighted ? | 19:17 |
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| greg-g | alabd: not in the US. | 19:21 |
| greg-g | alabd: per your question about paraphrasing: isn't the issue nonexistant for you since Iran does not respect any other country's copyright laws, thus you can do whatever you want? | 19:22 |
| greg-g | I'm not saying you *should*, ever. But isn't that what you were trying to convey to me yesterday? | 19:22 |
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| nyergler | oh hai IRC from 37000 feet :) | 19:23 |
| mralex | don't look down! | 19:23 |
| nyergler | so much space! http://www.flickr.com/photos/nathan_y/4690699689/ | 19:24 |
| mralex | woah | 19:24 |
| nyergler | lol yeah, no shit | 19:24 |
| mralex | you'll need long arms to reach those tray back tables | 19:24 |
| greg-g | nyergler: lay down and take a nap? | 19:24 |
| nyergler | greg-g, i could... instead i'm hacking on discovered code (insert joke here about using a dvcs while actually on a plane with a real internet connection) | 19:25 |
| greg-g | :) nice | 19:25 |
| nyergler | paulproteus, dithyramble -- i just replied to your pre-sprint update email | 19:26 |
| greg-g | ... from 37,000 feet! | 19:26 |
| nyergler | going to eat lunch momentarily, then will look @ the rdfa plugin issue | 19:26 |
| greg-g | ... from 37,000 feet! | 19:27 |
| * greg-g could do this all day | 19:27 | |
| nyergler | lol | 19:27 |
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| paroneayea | nyergler: dammmmnn | 19:33 |
| alabd | greg-g: yes iran law allow me but islam and humanity does not allow me to copy ...so want to rephrase some texts , but beside rephrase some texts are definitions/facts/historical , can these kind texts be copyrighted any part of world ? regard to that facts are not for a person ... ? | 19:34 |
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| mralex | oh no, did his plane crash? | 19:35 |
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| alabd | greg-g: in you'r opinion can this page be copyrighted or copylefted ? regard to that the page is declaring some facts https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/newtoubuntu/C/welcome.html | 19:44 |
| greg-g | mralex: wow | 19:44 |
| mralex | wow? | 19:45 |
| greg-g | the joke | 19:45 |
| greg-g | alabd: facts themselves can not be protectd by copyright in the US, but the expressions of those facts sometimes can | 19:45 |
| alabd | ohum , for example there is written ubuntu will be free for ever | 19:46 |
| alabd | can we rephrase it or should we rephrase it at all ? | 19:46 |
| greg-g | alabd: quoting with citation is also a fine thing to do, with limited quotes | 19:46 |
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| alabd | greg-g: but no humble want to know if it's expression can be copyrighted at all ? > for example there is written ubuntu will be free for ever , can we rephrase it or should we rephrase it at all ? | 19:48 |
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| alabd | greg-g: ? | 19:51 |
| greg-g | sorry, alabd, I'm busy working on my work right now and am thus delayed. | 19:51 |
| greg-g | alabd: your question could be debated by legal scholars and they might not agree, so I don't want to give you the wrong idea. | 19:52 |
| alabd | greg-g: how can they be not agreed , you mean they will say this sentence can be copyrighted "ubuntu will be free for ever" ?? this is a fact and seems does not have a expression | 19:54 |
| greg-g | alabd: you seem to have made up your mind, no? Go with what you think is correct. | 19:54 |
| alabd | is it possible at all to copyright some facts ? how ? | 19:54 |
| greg-g | again, copyright protects the expression of facts, not the facts themselves. | 19:55 |
| alabd | greg-g: does this sentence have expression ? | 19:55 |
| alabd | "ubuntu will be free for ever" | 19:55 |
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| greg-g | alabd: most people would probably say no, but it does depend on the country you are in | 19:56 |
| greg-g | alabd: I will not give you a yes or no answer on this, I am not your lawyer, sorry. | 19:56 |
| alabd | Does this sentence have expression ? "ubuntu will be free for ever" | 19:56 |
| alabd | does above question need lawyer really ? | 19:57 |
| greg-g | alabd: sorry, I am now going to go back to my day job so I can leave and have a nice vacation this weekend. I wish you the best. | 19:57 |
| alabd | for the last question greg-g , what do you mean of "but it does depend on the country you are in" you mean the sentence mentioned may be expression in some country ? | 19:58 |
| alabd | don't you think it is so simple and clear that this sentence "ubuntu will be free for ever" does not have any expression ? or am humble wrong why ? answer this for me before going ? | 20:00 |
| alabd | greg-g: thanks a lot God peace you it's late should go | 20:03 |
| alabd | bye 4 now | 20:03 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: I must have done something wrong, because Vietnam isn't showing up in the chooser. | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: hm | 20:40 |
| paroneayea | oh. | 20:44 |
| paroneayea | I see what happened. | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | I didn't bother to remove the cache because these licenses are new and should have no cached entries, by the way. | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | ah right | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | well anyway | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | here's what happened | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | if you look at jurisdiction.rdf | 20:45 |
| paroneayea | you'll see there's an entry for http://creativecommons.org/international/vn/ but | 20:46 |
| paroneayea | all the title assertions say country.vn | 20:46 |
| paroneayea | that's because it tried to run it through the translator but there *is* no country.vn msgid currently | 20:46 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'm sure that country.vn is in i18n. | 20:47 |
| nkinkade | Did it not get pushed to the git repo? | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | oh. | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | so that | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | heh | 20:47 |
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| paroneayea | okay, so... a) cc.i18npkg doesn't have it, and you're right, it didn't get pushed to the i18n git repo | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | but | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | we were going to switch that over to just use svn instead of git in cc.i18npkg, and I haven't done taht | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | b) even if that's the case your buildout I suppose would be pulling a *release* of cc.i18npkg. Which again requires the "relying on making a python egg release", which I guess makes this process more complex than it should be. | 20:51 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: I think our plan is to totally abandon the i18n subversion repository in favor of the git one. | 20:52 |
| nkinkade | Like with license.rdf, it sure would be nice if we could just git pull, restart Apache and be done. :-) | 20:53 |
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| aombk | hi people, i have a question. is there any patent alternative working right now? i mean is there any alternative solution for lets say programmers to patent something in an open way that doesnt prohibit other people from anything, just in order to protect yourself from other people patenting your idea and sueing you. i dont know if i make myself clear... | 21:07 |
| aombk | meaning something like creative commons but not for copyright but for patents | 21:07 |
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| paroneayea | ughhh. I am completely out of it. | 21:23 |
| paroneayea | after I am done working I think I'm gonna go take a nap. | 21:23 |
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