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| paroneayea | nkinkade: ping | 14:35 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Hi. | 14:35 |
| paroneayea | assuming you know about a7 being down by now? | 14:35 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Have you seen all the messages to webmaster@ | 14:36 |
| nkinkade | Apparently there is a problem with the switch our server is attached to. | 14:37 |
| paroneayea | hold on, fetching my mail | 14:37 |
| paroneayea | ok, so apparently I am not getting webmaster@ messages | 14:38 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'll add you to the alias. | 14:56 |
| paroneayea | thx | 14:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: You'll now get all the lovely webmaster@ emails. There aren't that many, but since you're on the tech team you should be getting them. | 14:57 |
| nkinkade | I thought you were. | 14:57 |
| paroneayea | great | 14:58 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: what's the current way to push new translations live, or even to staging for that matter? | 15:23 |
| paroneayea | so | 15:31 |
| paroneayea | theoretically it *should* be happening to staging automatically. I set up a git hook that hould be running, and it seemed that it was for a bit, but now it isn't :\ | 15:32 |
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| paroneayea | basically if you look in: | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | /var/www/staging.creativecommons.org/cc.engine_stage | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | there's a cc.i18npkg directory and an update_i18n script | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | the update_i18n script *should* be being run by | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | /var/www/code.creativecommons.org/git/repositories/i18n.git/hooks/post-recieve | 15:35 |
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| paroneayea | as for pushing to live, a new cc.i18npkg release needs to be made, since theoretically cc.engine is running that out of the egg rather than out of a checkout... I should probably document how to do that. | 15:37 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: But our i18n repo is in subversion, not git. ???? | 16:34 |
| nkinkade | How could a git hook work? | 16:34 |
| paroneayea | I guess it runs when the svn->git hook runs | 16:36 |
| paroneayea | although now that you've mentioned it | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | (er, crontab) | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | not sure why I don't use a hook in svn (does svn have hooks?) | 16:37 |
| paroneayea | that's probably why it wasn't always updating.. | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: yeah, subversion has hooks, and we were using a post-commit hook before to rebuild i18n for cc.engine on staging whenever someone committed to the i18n svn repo. | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | ah | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | where would I put that? | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't even aware that we were pushing i18n to a git repo via git-svn. | 16:41 |
| nkinkade | Let's clear this up first ... are we using git now for i18n? | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | I guess the answer is "no" | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | because pootle uses SVN | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | but | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | we do have a mirror | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | i18n.git | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | I see that it's being pushed to git, probably once a day, but I think all our tools are still directly using the svn repo. | 16:42 |
| paroneayea | got it | 16:42 |
| nkinkade | Cool. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | So, I think it's just a matter of editing the existing hook. | 16:43 |
| nkinkade | /var/www/code.creativecommons.org/svnroot/hooks-checkout/post-commit | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/hooks/ | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: ^^ | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | ok thx nkinkade | 16:44 |
| paroneayea | I'll work on this | 16:44 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Question. I can see the Deeds in Russian on staging, but not the chooser. Why would that be? | 16:45 |
| paroneayea | Hm. I don't know... will look. | 16:46 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Sorry to bombard you with questions and issues, but are we still building Deeds the way we used to? | 16:51 |
| paroneayea | pretty much | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | well I mean | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | CC NL updated some of their translations for some important meetings they are having. | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | They asked me to push their changes live. | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | okay, working on updating them | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | So it's still mkdeeds? | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | oh | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | okay | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | no :) | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | deeds are rendered dynamically | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | and then cached as plaintext files | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | Yes! | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | Tell me more. | 16:52 |
| paroneayea | :) | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | I didn't know we had implemented all that yet. | 16:53 |
| paroneayea | yup. So on staging | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | I thought just license.rdf, but apparently that encompasses a lot more. | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | So the caching shim that you and NRY were putting together is in place? | 16:53 |
| paroneayea | yeah it's in place | 16:53 |
| paroneayea | so on a7 | 16:53 |
| nkinkade | Awesome ... on the live site, right? | 16:53 |
| paroneayea | it's not live, on staging | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | oh wait | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | Oh, only on staging, but still. | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | okay I got confused | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | It's moving forward. | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | as to what was meant by "done yet" :) | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | it's not live no | 16:54 |
| paroneayea | so I guess you still need to mkdeeds | 16:54 |
| nkinkade | So pushing translations live is something that I should ask you to do for now? | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | Usually mkdeeds writes to license.rdf/trunk/licenses. Has that changed for now? | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | ah, pushing them live. I don't think I've ever mkdeeds'ed it up before | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | but yes | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | for now it is the old process | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | I don't know how to do the old process since I haven't done it | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | So writing to license.rdf/trunk is not a problem? | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | oh | 16:55 |
| nkinkade | I just remember the freeze on license.rdf. | 16:55 |
| paroneayea | ohnoes. This *may* be a problem. | 16:56 |
| paroneayea | shoot. | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I don't *have* to write there, but that is where the Deeds are pulled from on the live site. | 16:56 |
| paroneayea | if you could temporarily not check them in I guess | 16:56 |
| paroneayea | that would be the way to go | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | Basically /licenses/ is a checkout of license.rdf/trunk/licenses/ | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | oh wait | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | now that I think about it | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | if all that is done is commit the deeds to license.rdf | 16:57 |
| paroneayea | that's okay. | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That's all. I set the out of mkdeeds to license.rdf/trunk/licenses, commit, then svn up the live site. | 16:58 |
| paroneayea | sounds good | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | Are you sure? :-) | 16:58 |
| paroneayea | yes. Just don't commit any RDF files in license.rdf :) | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | Ah, I won't do that. This is just Deeds, not RDF. And it's somewhat confusing that the Deeds should be in license.rdf anyway, I think. | 16:59 |
| paroneayea | well they won't be soon! | 16:59 |
| paroneayea | fyi: | 16:59 |
| paroneayea | here's how easy it is to clear the cache to regenerate the deeds now: | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Soon they won't exists anywhere in a permanent form! | 16:59 |
| paroneayea | rm -rf /var/www/staging.creativecommons.org/cc.engine_stage/cache/licenses/ | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | rm -rf /cache/licenses/by/3.0/nl/ | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Nice. | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | This is music to my ears, because mkdeeds will finally be gone. Someone sends in new translations? Fine, just update i18n, then rm -rf those Deeds in the cache. | 17:00 |
| paroneayea | yup :) | 17:01 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Any info on this issue: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue571 | 17:27 |
| mralex | for some reason i thought we were waiting on something before going ahead with that | 17:28 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Nope. Go ahead and make that change. We were set to go a week or so ago, but Diane just gave me further confirmation. | 17:37 |
| mralex | ahh, great | 17:37 |
| mralex | will do | 17:37 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: How does one go about updating the CC0 Deeds? Do you know? | 17:47 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Hey. | 17:55 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: currently we're associating civi transaction id's to the generated codes, but that column wasn't included in your email | 17:56 |
| JED3 | we can still trace back to the transaction via the contrib id though right? | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Transaction ID should be there. | 18:00 |
| nkinkade | data['trxn_id'] | 18:01 |
| nkinkade | Also, how do you plan to keep recurring contributions straight? Do you already have a database field for that, or something similar? | 18:01 |
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| JED3 | yes i have a field for the recur id's already | 18:02 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Do you see trxn_id now? | 18:04 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: oh i haven't looked in your script yet, it was your email that confused me because it didn't mention it | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | Sorry about that. Your definitive reference should be this: https://support.creativecommons.org/~nkinkade/contribution_object.html, JED3 | 18:05 |
| JED3 | awesome, thanks | 18:05 |
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| nkinkade | JED3: Just let me know when you'd like to test /a/invite/ and I can generate some traffic to that URL. | 18:30 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Any info on how to update CC0 Deeds. | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | I feel like NRY may have done this in the past? | 18:31 |
| nkinkade | ... and that it requires some special handling. | 18:31 |
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| Desert69 | hi there... anyone who could help me with a nc-related doubt? | 19:26 |
| greg-g | Desert69: go ahead and ask the question, if someone has time/input, they'll give it | 19:29 |
| Desert69 | mmm... oks... =) | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: not sure how to update those... | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | nathany: <nkinkade> paroneayea: Any info on how to update CC0 Deeds. | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | <nkinkade> I feel like NRY may have done this in the past? | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | <nkinkade> ... and that it requires some special handling. | 19:29 |
| Desert69 | can i use a cc by-sa-nc photo in a website for a company? | 19:31 |
| greg-g | Desert69: most likely not. I assume that company strives to make a profit? | 19:31 |
| JED3 | I've just added a feature request to the google api, would you all mind starring the issue to help raise the awareness of it? http://code.google.com/p/google-ajax-apis/issues/detail?id=439 | 19:31 |
| greg-g | Desert69: and that website is a part of that effort | 19:32 |
| Desert69 | greg-g: yes. it's a company who tries to make profit... bussiness... | 19:32 |
| greg-g | Desert69: the answer is probably no (but I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice). You are of course welcome to contact the author of the photo to ask for permission | 19:33 |
| Desert69 | mmm.. yeah, i know... | 19:33 |
| Desert69 | well... thanks for your help! | 19:34 |
| greg-g | Desert69: you're welcome | 19:35 |
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| paulproteus | Mornin, y'all. | 19:36 |
| * greg-g looks at his clock | 19:38 | |
| greg-g | even in SF that is not true :) | 19:38 |
| paulproteus | Oops. | 19:39 |
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| paulproteus | Howdy dithyramble! | 19:44 |
| dithyramble | heyo | 19:44 |
| dithyramble | nkinkade, Hey there, it's Raphael K-L. paulproteus tells me that you can help me get a shell on a7. | 19:44 |
| nathany | paroneayea, nkinkade, they should be exactly the same to update as "normal" deeds | 19:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Is it mkdeeds in cc.engine? I ran that and no change was made to the CC0 Deeds ... maybe no CC0 strings were changed, but CC NL said they did. | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | dithyramble: What is it you need a shell on a7 for? | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | Nevermind. | 19:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade, he's doing discovered/agshare work | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | I didn't recognize the name at first. | 19:46 |
| nkinkade | Sorry. | 19:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade, yes, should be mkdeeds, what command did you use? | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | nathany: mkdeeds -l nl -o ~/license.rdf/trunk/licenses/ | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | I'll check what strings were changed. I remember seeing a string with a cc id like "publicdomain" something or other. | 19:47 |
| paroneayea | the docs for roundup-admin are confusing me. | 19:50 |
| paroneayea | http://roundup.sourceforge.net/docs/admin_guide.html#adding-a-user-from-the-command-line | 19:50 |
| greg-g | huh, just got a "what you need to know about IRS form 990" spam message to my cc address. They made it through google's filters but they are a tad late, no? | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | Except for the Viagra add in the attachment. :-) | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | s/add/ad/ | 19:52 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: :P | 19:52 |
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| nkinkade | But paulproteus, nathany: Isn't discovered on a8? Why a7 for dithyramble? | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | Maybe it's moving to a7? | 19:56 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, discovered is on a6 | 20:00 |
| paulproteus | nkinkade: then shell there, oops | 20:00 |
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| paulproteus | dithyramble: You'll likely need to run "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/" | 20:02 |
| dithyramble | danke paulproteus | 20:02 |
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| nkinkade | dithyramble: I'll transfer your account to a6. | 20:03 |
| dithyramble | nkinkade, Thanks | 20:04 |
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| nkinkade | dithyramble: Your account on a6 is ready. | 20:06 |
| dithyramble | nkinkade, thansk | 20:06 |
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| greg-g | ah yes, time to start learning new irc nicks | 20:24 |
| mralex | oh boy | 20:24 |
| mralex | is it that time again? | 20:24 |
| greg-g | still a little ways away from people actually crowding your office, though, mralex ;) | 20:24 |
| mralex | i doubt there'll be much crowding this year | 20:25 |
| greg-g | just doing 3, right? | 20:25 |
| mralex | i think so | 20:25 |
| akozak | greg-g, how are you more in the loop than i am | 20:25 |
| greg-g | akozak: you are young, my padawan | 20:26 |
| greg-g | but really, you aren't my padawan, and it is just because I actually keep up on my greader | 20:26 |
| mralex | for all i know you were just throwing out a number for me to respond to | 20:26 |
| mralex | :P | 20:26 |
| greg-g | good point | 20:26 |
| greg-g | so, they'll all be on a9, right? | 20:27 |
| akozak | yea they're e-interns | 20:27 |
| akozak | hosted in the cloud | 20:27 |
| * greg-g realizes he has never seen an a9 mentioned, and doubts it existance | 20:27 | |
| mralex | a9 exists | 20:27 |
| greg-g | ah, nevermind then | 20:27 |
| akozak | greg-g, oh you're talking about gsoc | 20:27 |
| greg-g | mralex: yeah, mostly, and then I remembered about the physical interns | 20:28 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Did you ever discover anything as to why this URL isn't translated: | 20:29 |
| nkinkade | http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/?lang=ru | 20:29 |
| nkinkade | Yet, this one is? | 20:30 |
| nkinkade | http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.ru | 20:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: It looks like CC NL did in fact change some CC0 text: | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/i18n/trunk/i18n/nl/cc_org.po?r1=14337&r2=14360&pathrev=14360 | 20:32 |
| nkinkade | But committing those changes, updating cc.engine, reinstalling i18n, and using mkdeeds apparently didn't alter any CC0 Deeds. Or maybe I'm just overlooking something simple. | 20:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i think you may need to regenerate it by url explicitly | 20:37 |
| nathany | mkdeeds --help will show an option to regenerate a specific license/legal tool | 20:38 |
| nathany | (can't remember why i think that, just what comes to mind) | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'll try that and let you know. | 20:38 |
| nkinkade | nathany: What part of the URI does it take? The --help says to ask nathany if you have questions. | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | -u /publicdomain/zero/ | 20:40 |
| nkinkade | ? | 20:40 |
| nathany | nkinkade, should be the canonical URI -- | 20:46 |
| nathany | http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ | 20:46 |
| nkinkade | Okay, the entire thing, protocol, slashes, domain and all | 20:46 |
| nathany | right | 20:46 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: It would appear that on production CC0 Deeds are generated on the fly by cc.engine. | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | Is there some caching going on to get it to release a cached copy. | 21:04 |
| nathany | nkinkade, nothing that i know of, probably just varnish | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I tried restarting cc.engine, but that didn't seem to do anything, and Varnish doesn't seem to have the file cached. | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | But that aside, this also means that mkdeeds is useless for CC0. | 21:05 |
| nkinkade | It would appear that anything /publicdomain/ goes directly to cc.engine. | 21:06 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: I did figure that out now | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Something easily fixable? | 21:15 |
| paroneayea | yeah easily fixable | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Can you let me know when you've got it working on staging? I've got an email in the queue to CC Russia and others about it. | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 21:16 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Do you happen to know anything about the old cc.engine and caching? | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | nope | 21:17 |
| nkinkade | I figured out a few minutes ago that all CC0 requests on the live site go directly to cc.engine. | 21:17 |
| nkinkade | So all the mkdeeds fiddling was a waste of time. | 21:17 |
| paroneayea | I don't think there's any caching built into the old cc.engine but I could be wrong | 21:17 |
| nkinkade | Perhaps getting cc.engine to compile the CC0 strings is a separate process??? | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | what are they translating? | 21:18 |
| nkinkade | Really I shouldn't be doing this. I've wasted a lot of time today. There is no documentation and I'm completely in the dark. | 21:18 |
| paroneayea | a lot of things on the old cc0 deed wasn't set up for translation I think :\ | 21:19 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to shoot you and nathany and email and call it as off-my-plate. | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 21:19 |
| paroneayea | sorry mang | 21:19 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Any word on this ticket: http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue572 | 21:23 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: http://staging.creativecommons.org/choose/?lang=ru | 21:36 |
| paroneayea | and no word on that ticket yet... I'll schedule to work on it tomorrow though | 21:36 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Thanks. | 21:36 |
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| nkinkade | cd() { builtin cd "$@" && ls -tr } | 21:48 |
| nkinkade | Many moons ago paulproteus linked to an article suggesting that in one's .bashrc file. It's the best piece of advice I have received in a long time. | 21:48 |
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| paulproteus | nkinkade++ | 22:37 |
| paulproteus | nathany: Just an FYI: I'm breaking up some of the stories into smaller ones, and once I've done that, I'll ask you to review them with me. | 22:51 |
| nathany | paulproteus, great | 22:52 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: staging.cc.org is ready btw | 22:53 |
| JED3 | .net* | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Let's test this tomorrow when you get it. | 22:53 |
| nkinkade | I think it'll be best if we are both looking at our respective ends for the first tests. | 22:53 |
| JED3 | sure, fine with me nkinkade | 22:53 |
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