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| Flannel | Hi guys, I've got a couple of questions about CC0, is anyone around who could field them? (or direct me to a better location to ask) | 03:57 |
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| paulproteus | Flannel: The main CC folks aren't around right now. They usually are during business hours US time. | 04:05 |
| paulproteus | I might possibly be able to help, though. | 04:05 |
| Flannel | Thanks paulproteus. Mind doing it in a query? | 04:10 |
| paulproteus | I'd rather keep in-channel, if possible. | 04:10 |
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| Flannel | Alright, that just means I have to pretend to know at least a little bit about what I'm talking about ;) | 04:19 |
| Flannel | I'm looking to license a printed work, and would love to license it under the deprecated CC-SA, because from what I understand, anything with BY would require attribution (and a growing list of attribution as it gets modified) to remain on the finished product | 04:21 |
| Flannel | So, all the CC-* stuff is out, CC-SA is deprecated, so I've moved on to WTFPL or CC0. I don't care about people using my work commercially, and really "do whatever" is fine by me (I intend to recommend they give back and stuff, entirely non-bindingly) | 04:22 |
| Flannel | The difference between CC0 and some other license is that I'm 'giving up' my rights, and I'm curious as to what exactly that entails. I'm a bit hazy on it all, and don't like the idea of doing something I don't fully understand. | 04:24 |
| Flannel | I suppose I didn't really ask a question there, did I? Uh, so, like if I licenced it [some other way] and then later on wanted to relicense it some other way (perhaps to a company for their own use or whatnot), it's my understanding that I wouldn't be able to do that with CC0, because I don't own the rights anymore. Is that accurate? | 04:26 |
| Flannel | And is this point moot because [anyone] could use the CC0 for whatever they wanted (the company could use it already)? | 04:26 |
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| akila872 | Hello nkinkade | 12:49 |
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| greg-g | Flannel: hey, sorry I didn't answer your PM from ages ago, it completely feel off my radar. | 13:32 |
| greg-g | So, if you release your work under a CC0 waiver (it is a waiver not a license) then anyone can do anything with it. So, if you later want some company to be able to do something with it and they ask you for a license, your response would (and should be): "there are no copyright restrictions on this work, you are free to do with it what you like" | 13:33 |
| greg-g | Flannel: ^^ | 13:34 |
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| ea4xgr | nathany: hello, thanks for the reply | 16:03 |
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| ea4xgr | nathany: when it comes to CURIE discussion, I have realized that 1) although there is a mechanism for resolving the base URI (independent of pyRDFa) in libvalidator, it is not used at all | 16:04 |
| ea4xgr | I did not realized that before, thus I came up with resolving CURIE in the base URI | 16:04 |
| nathany | ok | 16:04 |
| ea4xgr | aside of the RDFa method, do you think that resolving CURIEs would make sense? | 16:05 |
| ea4xgr | I know that the comment method is deprecated, however, are methods like data: URI deprecated? | 16:05 |
| nathany | ea4xgr, yes, data: URIs and RDF/XML in-a-comment should both show a warning | 16:06 |
| ea4xgr | so are we simply considering anything but RDFa a deprecated method? | 16:06 |
| nathany | for [X]HTML, yes | 16:07 |
| ea4xgr | okay | 16:07 |
| ea4xgr | so do you think that resolving CURIEs outside RDFa for [X]HTML should take place? | 16:08 |
| nathany | no | 16:08 |
| nathany | i'm not 100% certain about this, but I think the places they're valid is very well defined | 16:08 |
| ea4xgr | would it be valid or is considered to be valid in future, to have CURIE in a standalone RDF (not RDFa) which could then be say <link rel> in [X]HTML head? | 16:09 |
| nathany | if we handle them when we process the RDFa, I think we get all the places we need to handle them covered | 16:09 |
| ea4xgr | I'm referring to W3C now, not the license point of view | 16:09 |
| nathany | i think so, but i'm not 100% certain | 16:10 |
| ea4xgr | it boils down to the question of whether CURIEs are to be within/or applied to XML spec | 16:11 |
| ea4xgr | or in/to some XML application in particular ([X]HTML) | 16:11 |
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| ea4xgr | http://www.w3.org/TR/curie/#s_hostlanguages | 16:15 |
| ea4xgr | it does not seem like it would be incorporated into an XML spec | 16:15 |
| ea4xgr | it's a candidate recommendation already | 16:15 |
| nathany | right | 16:15 |
| nathany | thanks for the reference | 16:15 |
| ea4xgr | so CURIE in RDF is and presumably is going to remain invalid | 16:16 |
| ea4xgr | although probably not in terms of the syntax itself | 16:17 |
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| ea4xgr | from the semantic point of view, because the syntax holds | 16:18 |
| ea4xgr | I've just validated (via validator.w3.org), XHTML 1.0 Strict with href="foo:bar" and href="[foo:bar]" and it reported no errors | 16:19 |
| akila872 | hello nathany | 16:19 |
| ea4xgr | nathany: suppose new updates for the validator will appear; who is able to upload them to the validator.creativecommons.org ? you and the other Nathan? | 16:21 |
| nathany | hi akila872 | 16:22 |
| nathany | ea4xgr, myself, nkinkade, paroneayea, or jed3 can all help with that; if we need to grant access to others, we cann | 16:22 |
| akila872 | nathany: i sent you the code. | 16:22 |
| ea4xgr | ok, thank you :) | 16:23 |
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| nathany | akila872, yes, i received it; haven't had a chance to look closely, but thanks for sending that along | 16:26 |
| akila872 | nathany: is there any client application for ccHost something like flikrj | 16:27 |
| nathany | akila872, not that i'm aware of | 16:30 |
| akila872 | nathany, ah ok, then i think i have to write the open clip art code from the scratch. i manged to get the data from the site, but images aren't displaying in the window. | 16:36 |
| nathany | akila872, i don't know if they have an API or not, but i can connect you to the person developing that these days if you wanted to find out more about a possible "generic" wrapper for it | 16:38 |
| akila872 | nathany, im glad if you can. however i manged to get the data using a simple code. just thought it would be better to have wrapper. | 16:42 |
| nathany | right | 16:42 |
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| akozak | nkinkade, would you have a few minutes today to help me get Maps working on the CC wiki? My guess is that it's just an API key problem. | 16:50 |
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| akozak | or sometime in the future? | 16:51 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Yeah. | 16:52 |
| nkinkade | What's the problem? | 16:52 |
| akozak | The #geocode parser isn't working: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Property:Coordinates | 16:52 |
| akozak | And I haven't been able to embed a map anywhere. | 16:54 |
| akozak | I should be able to do with Maps and not Semantic Maps, since we have ArrayFunctions | 16:55 |
| akozak | err sorry ArrayExtension | 16:55 |
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| akozak | amazonaws? | 17:39 |
| akozak | nathany, quick discovered question. I'm talking with someone whose feed isn't included in search results, and so I tested a crawl with just the one feed (http://opencontext.org/projects/.atom), and I get this error: [exec] Error parsing: http://opencontext.org/projects/.atom: failed(2,200): org.apache.nutch.parse.ParseException: parser not found for contentType=application/xml url=http://opencontext.org/projects/.atom | 17:47 |
| akozak | does that mean its reporting itself as xml | 17:47 |
| akozak | which is a problem for ded | 17:47 |
| akozak | when its supposed to be atom? | 17:47 |
| nathany | akozak, yeah, sounds like a bug in the DEd feed content-type recognition | 17:48 |
| nathany | Can you file it as a bug on code.creativecommons.org? | 17:48 |
| nathany | akozak, I'd have to dig in a see what the underlying parser library is expecting to offer them meaningful advice | 17:49 |
| akozak | nathany, yes I'll do that. but would it be fixed if they were to add the correct content-type? | 17:49 |
| akozak | to the feed | 17:49 |
| nathany | on the upside, asheesh and raffi are going to be in SF the last week of April to get spun up on things | 17:49 |
| nathany | akozak, yes; i'm not sure what the proper content-type is, looking | 17:50 |
| nathany | akozak, wikipedia says application/atom+xml | 17:51 |
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| akozak | nathany, is it accurate to say that it appears Nutch is mis-identifying the content type in the absence of a correct/explicit declaration in the feed? | 17:57 |
| nathany | akozak, probably not; let me see what their server is reporting | 17:57 |
| nathany | akozak, their server is reporting that it's application/xml | 17:58 |
| akozak | nathany, ah, ok, i don't actually know how content-type gets reported in teh first place... | 17:58 |
| nathany | akozak, it's usually sent along with the response | 17:58 |
| akozak | nathany, then could it be that the nutch xml parser just isn't enabled right now? | 17:58 |
| nathany | we're using the Rome parsing library, which is a Java library for handling all sorts of feeds | 17:58 |
| nathany | it obviously registers handlers based on content-type | 17:59 |
| nathany | akozak, no | 17:59 |
| akozak | ah ok | 17:59 |
| nathany | akozak, this is probably a bug in that we should make a best effort to parse things that aren't 100% compliant | 17:59 |
| nathany | but it's also a misconfiguration -- application/xml is not the content type for Atom feeds | 18:00 |
| akozak | ah ok. so should I send a note back to them about that and then also file a bug report? | 18:00 |
| akozak | filed | 18:12 |
| akozak | awww: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40 | 18:29 |
| paroneayea | weird. I can't run buildout on cc.engine from the library. http://a9.creativecommons.org/~cwebber/eggs/ is inaccessible from here. | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | I wonder why a9 would be blocked or otherwise unavailable? a7 works | 18:31 |
| paroneayea | I can ssh into a9 from here though. | 18:32 |
| paroneayea | must be firewalled on port 80. | 18:32 |
| paroneayea | crazy library firewalls. | 18:32 |
| paroneayea | oh nope. Okay it opens now. | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | weird. | 18:33 |
| paroneayea | and now there's no problem. | 18:34 |
| * paroneayea trying to debug this library, ho ho ho | 18:40 | |
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| akozak | yay: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=40865 | 18:43 |
| paroneayea | yikes. That's a frustrating looking discussion. | 18:45 |
| mralex | that's not really a yay worthy thread | 18:47 |
| akozak | im all for usability | 18:55 |
| akozak | tim berners-lee has flat out said http:// is one of his biggest regrets | 18:55 |
| akozak | hahah i love the last comment | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | he said the // is one of his biggest regrests | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | er | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | regets | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | not the http: | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | because the // does nothing | 18:59 |
| akozak | oh? | 18:59 |
| akozak | I must be mis-remembering | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | http: is useful because you can have other uris like file: | 18:59 |
| paroneayea | or ftp: | 18:59 |
| akozak | Useful for a very small number of people, I'm guessing | 19:00 |
| paroneayea | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1220286/Sir-Tim-Berners-Lee-admits-forward-slashes-web-address-mistake.html | 19:00 |
| paroneayea | there are other uris | 19:01 |
| paroneayea | like xmpp://cwebber@dustycloud.org | 19:01 |
| paroneayea | some browsers will know that means a link to my xmpp address | 19:01 |
| akozak | right but none that are directly parsed by the browser, right? they're mainly shortcuts | 19:02 |
| paroneayea | some browsers have ftp support | 19:02 |
| akozak | I'm not arguing for removing protocols from URIs, just from the browser display | 19:02 |
| paroneayea | well, actually, probably all | 19:02 |
| akozak | i don't know, maybe its stupid | 19:03 |
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| ea4xgr | paroneayea: oh, yeah | 19:33 |
| ea4xgr | paroneayea: for instance, file:/// to access the root directory in Mozilla Firefox | 19:33 |
| ea4xgr | paroneayea: ViolaWWW accepted file:/ only | 19:34 |
| ea4xgr | and another thing is to split the adjective "worldwide" into two separate words (originally it was "WorldWideWeb") | 19:36 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: nkinkade: are we doing a phone call this week? | 20:17 |
| nathany | paroneayea, yes | 20:25 |
| nathany | in 5 min | 20:25 |
| nathany | paroneayea, nkinkade: let's use line #2 on the FCC list | 20:26 |
| paroneayea | kk | 20:28 |
| nathany | paroneayea, nkinkade, are either of you already dialed in? the message it gave me was weird -- "one other caller" then hold music | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | I was on then got booted | 20:34 |
| paroneayea | 1 sec | 20:34 |
| nathany | ah, that's probably what it was | 20:34 |
| paroneayea | by booted I mean connection error | 20:34 |
| nathany | right :) | 20:34 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: paroneayea: Sorry. I went to run an errand for lunch, but it took nearly twice as long as I had expected. I just got back. | 20:45 |
| nathany | np | 20:45 |
| nathany | we're chatting now | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | Shall I call in? | 20:45 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ | 20:46 |
| nathany | nkinkade, please | 20:46 |
| paroneayea | connection error :< | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | coming back on hold on | 20:49 |
| nathany | paroneayea, np | 20:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i just edited http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Deploying_Jurisdictions but now i'm not sure if that's the "future documentation" or current | 21:03 |
| nathany | do you remember? | 21:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: That's the current one. | 21:03 |
| nathany | damn | 21:03 |
| nathany | do you remember where the new one is? | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | I wasn't aware that we had a new one? | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | Oh wait. | 21:04 |
| nathany | i thought we had a "this is how we want it to work in the futre" | 21:04 |
| nathany | version | 21:04 |
| nathany | programming by wishful thinking | 21:04 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I remember you drew up something. Right. | 21:04 |
| nathany | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/Managing_License_RDF | 21:05 |
| nathany | nkinkade, found it ^^ | 21:05 |
| paroneayea | I think things have *slightly* diverged from that too | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | I need to document it | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | there was one change I think | 21:06 |
| nathany | paroneayea, that'd be most excellent | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | instead of ./bin/license --add it's ./bin/license add | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | uses subcommands instead of options | 21:06 |
| nathany | awesome | 21:06 |
| nathany | paroneayea, can you: | 21:10 |
| nathany | * add a DEPRECATED file to the license.rdf svn repo in trunk | 21:10 |
| nathany | (with text inside to point to the git repo) | 21:10 |
| nathany | * add a task to your pre-production list to remove the svn:external pointing to the old license.rdf repo | 21:10 |
| nathany | ? | 21:10 |
| paroneayea | yes I can do these things | 21:11 |
| nathany | thank you | 21:11 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: You there? | 21:12 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: for a bit yeah | 21:14 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: Do you by chance know if we have any resources compiled about court cases involving CC licenses? | 21:14 |
| nkinkade | I seem to recall something like that but can't find it. It may not exist. | 21:14 |
| greg-g | I don't think there is a canonical listing of cases involving CC licenses, unfortunately. Seems like something we should have though | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | Maybe. Thanks. | 21:15 |
| nathany | nkinkade, there was the start of a case law project in the wiki | 21:15 |
| nkinkade | nathany: URL? | 21:15 |
| nathany | not sure it's gone anywhere -- aurelia was working on it before she left for the bar | 21:15 |
| nathany | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Case_Law -- but it's not a useful resource right at the moment | 21:16 |
| nathany | (as you can see) | 21:16 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, not much. | 21:16 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 21:16 |
| nkinkade | It may not even categorize as a "resource"? | 21:16 |
| nkinkade | s/?// | 21:17 |
| nathany | lol | 21:17 |
| nathany | right | 21:17 |
| greg-g | hah, nice | 21:17 |
| nathany | not sure if you're looking for something in particular -- aurelia did collect a bunch of data to put into it | 21:17 |
| greg-g | nathany: do you know if that data is somewhere accessible? | 21:17 |
| nathany | greg-g, not at the moment; we're going to build out the Case Law page so it can live there | 21:18 |
| greg-g | nathany: I mean, since the number of cases is fairly low, I could churn through it and get them up there | 21:18 |
| greg-g | ah | 21:18 |
| greg-g | forget I offered then ;) | 21:18 |
| nathany | greg-g, i think the blocker isn't churn, it's getting the SMW stuff set up | 21:18 |
| nathany | :( | 21:18 |
| greg-g | :( suck | 21:18 |
| nathany | s/churn/churning through them/ | 21:18 |
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| akozak | greg-g, we have a memo | 21:25 |
| akozak | or research report | 21:26 |
| akozak | email aurelia @ cc about ot | 21:26 |
| akozak | it* | 21:26 |
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| mralex | akozak: weird, if no Mainurl is set, the wiki code comes out: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Istanbul_Salon | 21:58 |
| akozak | ... | 21:58 |
| akozak | hmmm | 21:58 |
| mralex | maybe hte main url for that one should be the salons page, though. | 21:59 |
| akozak | mralex, not sure what you mean above | 22:00 |
| akozak | the Mainurl field is mandatory in the form | 22:00 |
| akozak | which maybe it shouldn't be | 22:00 |
| mralex | "[{{{Mainurl}}} Go to event URL]" | 22:00 |
| akozak | but do you mean when you remove the Mainurl from the template call? | 22:00 |
| mralex | i jjust mean if no mainurl is set, that appears | 22:01 |
| akozak | ah | 22:01 |
| mralex | there's no mainurl for that page | 22:01 |
| akozak | i think i know why | 22:01 |
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| akozak | ugh I accidentally the whole thing | 22:09 |
| akozak | ah there we go | 22:11 |
| akozak | mralex, thanks for the bug report :) | 22:27 |
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| greg-g | akozak: cool thanks, will do | 22:53 |
| akozak | ugh, why now cc wiki! | 23:01 |
| akozak | always picks the worst time to not respond | 23:02 |
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| akozak | this wiki is driving me crazy | 23:36 |
| akozak | OMG IT WORKS | 23:36 |
| akozak | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Events | 23:36 |
| akozak | conditional win | 23:36 |
| akozak | quite possibly the ugliest wiki page ever http://wiki.creativecommons.org/index.php?title=Template:Event_List&action=edit | 23:37 |
| mralex | what was not working before? | 23:38 |
| mralex | argh, fuckin yahooapis.com being slow. | 23:39 |
| akozak | I used a bunch of array and string parsers to compare the date strings | 23:39 |
| akozak | and format the date without duplicating month or year information | 23:39 |
| akozak | yea mralex that was killing me | 23:40 |
| akozak | so frustrating to develop something like that live on a wiki | 23:40 |
| mralex | why again can't we have that stuff on the server? | 23:40 |
| akozak | there's an issue about it that's super old | 23:40 |
| mralex | yeah | 23:40 |
| mralex | i recall | 23:41 |
| akozak | mralex, http://code.creativecommons.org/issues/issue144 | 23:51 |
| akozak | looks like it's a wont-fix :) | 23:51 |
| mralex | because we're trying to move away from it | 23:54 |
| mralex | should probably update the theme to load YUI from google code, though | 23:54 |
| mralex | yahooapis isn't the best it can be | 23:54 |
| paulproteus | Aww, sad. | 23:54 |
| akozak | I wish MediaWiki had code highlighting. | 23:56 |
| akozak | or a coding environment of some kind | 23:56 |
| akozak | or handle whitespace better | 23:57 |
| akozak | uh oh | 23:58 |
| akozak | oh nvm | 23:59 |
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