| luisv | we should form a support group | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| luisv | for people with emacs-related insecurities | 00:00 |
| JED3 | paroneayea, lol, yeah this will be about the tenth time i've picked up org-mode | 00:00 |
| JED3 | it never sticks for me | 00:00 |
| paroneayea | luisv: we can file them as high priority critical insecurity bugs | 00:02 |
| akozak | haha | 00:02 |
| paroneayea | JED3: did you use the agenda? | 00:04 |
| paroneayea | I think that using the agenda is pretty much key | 00:04 |
| paroneayea | and binding it to a key, like C-c a | 00:04 |
| JED3 | paroneayea, yeah, but not as much as just using individual files | 00:06 |
| paroneayea | usually I use it to find what I need to do and then narrow-to-region on what I'm working on | 00:06 |
| paroneayea | lately I also clock in on each task as I work on it so I don't forget what I'm doing | 00:07 |
| paroneayea | also helps when writing up my (bi-)weekly summary | 00:07 |
| paroneayea | (setq org-log-state-notes-into-drawer t) is key if you're gonna do that though | 00:07 |
| luisv | (too-many-parens) | 00:08 |
| paroneayea | heh, well… I'm no lispertarian | 00:09 |
| * luisv continues to recommend getontracks.org for your free software, web2.0-y, not-badass-enough-to-use-org-mode needs | 00:09 | |
| JED3 | LISP = lots insane spurious parens | 00:10 |
| JED3 | Lost in Stupid Parentheses | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | lisp: your editor doesn't have paren matching? you are so fucked | 00:11 |
| luisv | but of course does anyone write lisp in anything other than emacs? | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | lisp: your editor has paren matching? You're still a little fucked | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | oh ho | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | oh ho ho ho | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | yes | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | my friend frank | 00:11 |
| paroneayea | is both a vim advocate and a common lisp advocate | 00:12 |
| JED3 | and academia | 00:12 |
| paroneayea | he admits to having "emacs insecurities" | 00:12 |
| paroneayea | actually I think he even said that | 00:12 |
| JED3 | and science commons lol | 00:12 |
| paroneayea | they don't use emacs? | 00:12 |
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| paroneayea | I thought most lispertarian oldies loved emacs | 00:12 |
| JED3 | paroneayea, whoops i misread that as "for emacs" | 00:12 |
| paroneayea | but, in a terminal, with syntax highlighting off | 00:12 |
| paroneayea | who needs this syntax highlighting; kids these days I tell you, wanting to be able to visually distinguish between code elements | 00:14 |
| paroneayea | luisv: I hadn't heard of getontracks.org | 00:15 |
| luisv | clearly you have not read my blog long enough ;) | 00:15 |
| paroneayea | ohhh, wait this does look familiar | 00:16 |
| paroneayea | the color scheme does at least :P | 00:16 |
| luisv | haha | 00:16 |
| luisv | it is pretty web-2.0-y | 00:16 |
| paroneayea | ☐☑☒ | 00:18 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should change my keywords in orgmode to those characters instead of TODO/DONE/CANCELED | 00:19 |
| paroneayea | nah | 00:19 |
| luisv | heh | 00:20 |
| luisv | you also need WAITING FOR | 00:20 |
| paroneayea | ⌛ | 00:21 |
| paroneayea | hey, my font in emacs can read that | 00:22 |
| paroneayea | ⌛ ⌛ ⌛ | 00:22 |
| paroneayea | hourglass character ftw | 00:22 |
| luisv | that would be sort of sweet | 00:23 |
| luisv | probably wouldn't work on my phone, though | 00:23 |
| luisv | (mobile version is really what I love about tracks- same tasks all over the place) | 00:24 |
| * paroneayea has git+orgmode+emacs running on his n900... :X | 00:24 | |
| luisv | that is hardcore | 00:25 |
| luisv | you use git for the sync? | 00:25 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 00:25 |
| luisv | OK, yeah, that is fucking hardcore. | 00:25 |
| paroneayea | it may be my highest nerd achievment. | 00:25 |
| mralex | and the font size is incredibly small | 00:27 |
| paroneayea | usually not a problem, though the zoom keys scale the terminal font | 00:28 |
| mralex | ;) | 00:28 |
| paroneayea | main irritation is that the blue color I have in xterm on that is unreadable. I need to port over the "tango" color theme that gnome-terminal has :| | 00:28 |
| luisv | there is a tango terminal color theme? | 00:29 |
| paroneayea | luisv: yep. It's shades-that-actually-look-good-on-black colors pretty much | 00:29 |
| luisv | nifty. | 00:29 |
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| paroneayea | morning #cc, how are you today? | 16:19 |
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| greg-g | hrmm, where's mralex? | 17:44 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: is it just me, or am I not aligned with the rest of the list on this page? http://creativecommons.org/about/people/fellows | 17:44 |
| greg-g | (yes, I'm updating my bio, that is a taaaad out of date) | 17:45 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: It does look like you are mis-aligned. Don't you like being different? | 17:45 |
| greg-g | sure, we can keep it if you want :) | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: fixed. | 17:49 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, would you be willing to do a quick blogpost on labs pointing out that i.cc is now available over HTTPS? | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Look at labs. | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | I did this already about 30 to 60 minutes ago. | 18:25 |
| nathany | nkinkade, awesome, you're living in the future ;) | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 18:26 |
| nathany | thank you :) | 18:26 |
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| luisv | greg-g: how are you generating the activity micrograph on your blog? | 18:59 |
| greg-g | luisv: tis a plugin that I asked nathany about a few weeks ago :) lemme find it | 18:59 |
| luisv | I mean, I'd show a flatline | 18:59 |
| luisv | but maybe I could incorporate it into my private/personal homepage to kick me in the ass ;) | 19:00 |
| greg-g | that was my hope... hasn't really worked :) | 19:00 |
| luisv | haha | 19:00 |
| luisv | life is like that sometimes ;) | 19:00 |
| * luisv has 'start a getting things done support group' on his todo list | 19:00 | |
| nathany | luisv, yeah, that was sort of my motivation, too; it's had mixed efficacy | 19:02 |
| greg-g | luisv: http://www.pantsonhead.com/wordpress/activitysparks/ | 19:02 |
| luisv | ah, I was hoping it would be more extensible- it would be nice to have dents, bugs closed, etc., in there | 19:03 |
| greg-g | yeah | 19:04 |
| * luisv has been so tempted lately to start offering bounties for code | 19:05 | |
| luisv | need to get my budget under control first :) | 19:06 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: btw, I thought you said something like mongodb doesn't have indexing | 19:24 |
| paroneayea | http://api.mongodb.org/python/1.4%2B/tutorial.html#indexing | 19:24 |
| paroneayea | but it looks like it does? | 19:24 |
| paroneayea | I didn't totally catch your criticism when we were talking at pycon | 19:24 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, i does do indexing | 19:27 |
| nathany | it does, that is | 19:27 |
| nathany | paroneayea, but it doesn't do full text search | 19:27 |
| nathany | see http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/Full+Text+Search+in+Mongo | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | nathany just does the indexing | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | nathany plugin! | 19:27 |
| paroneayea | ah okay | 19:27 |
| nathany | paroneayea, it does do the indexing, but you need to do stemming, etc on your own | 19:28 |
| paroneayea | gotcha | 19:28 |
| nathany | (it also doesn't support scoring, AFAIK) | 19:29 |
| paroneayea | gotcha | 19:30 |
| * paroneayea files notes | 19:30 | |
| nkinkade | nathany: paroneayea: Would either of you be interested in a tech@CC.org mail group for us, or something similar. | 19:30 |
| nkinkade | Sometimes I want to communicate with just you two and John, not all of webmaster, and group would be good for that, I think. | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | Thoughts? | 19:31 |
| nkinkade | If you two have never found yourself in that situation, then I guess it's not worth it. | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | hm | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | I feel like in those cases I'm fine just putting you all on the To: line | 19:32 |
| paroneayea | it doesn't happen very often, and most often we're already talking in #cc | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | I wouldn't object but I feel like there's enough communication lines already open | 19:33 |
| paroneayea | I guess the advantage of a mailing list is that it preserves history | 19:33 |
| nathany | paroneayea, unfortunately those aren't mailing lists, just aliases | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | ah | 19:34 |
| paroneayea | oh I see. | 19:34 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, i don't have a strong objection, but similarly don't want to propagate lines of communication unecessarily | 19:34 |
| nathany | nkinkade, if you want to create + use, that's fine with me; people can use or not as they wish | 19:35 |
| nkinkade | Well, if the idea doesn't immediate strike you as something good, then we should just pass. | 19:35 |
| akozak | reminds me of congress | 19:44 |
| paroneayea | nobody's holding a filibuster quite yet | 19:48 |
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| paroneayea | nkinkade: you around? | 20:14 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Yeah. | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | I think I am lost in a sea of apache config directives | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should just type up what I think I have figured out and ask for your clarifications? | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: That works. | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | okay, I'll work on that. | 20:15 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: When are you generally trying to do? Redirect incoming requests to a certain port, etc? | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | try to get the current state of apache config directives to cc.engine to work with the new version | 20:18 |
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| paroneayea | there are a number of things, including the change in the caching system and etc | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | and also not needing /++foobarzope++/licenses/ kind of stuff | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | and some other things that I am not sure why they are here and if I need to care | 20:18 |
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| paroneayea | oh I see | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | so the varnish config on staging is not the same as the varnish config on the live server | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | restarting varnish and all the services is going to be a nervewracking activity when we actually move from staging to live | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | I guess such things are always nervewracking | 20:22 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: what's creativecommons.org/characteristic/ supposed to be? | 20:32 |
| nathany | paroneayea, oh, uh, tiny pages describing one characteristic of the license... | 20:36 |
| nathany | ie, http://creativecommons.org/characteristic/by | 20:36 |
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| paroneayea | well it was handled by zope cc.engine and I haven't handled it yet | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | I just discovered it by looking at the varnish file | 20:38 |
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| paroneayea | heya pyrak | 20:57 |
| pyrak | paroneayea, yo! | 20:58 |
| pyrak | heard you met paulproteus at pycon | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | we stayed up all night discussing foss & free culture philosophy and politics | 20:59 |
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| paroneayea | probably a sad reflection on me that it was likely the most fun I'd had in quite a while | 21:00 |
| pyrak | sounds like the best kind of night | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | yes | 21:01 |
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| csarven | How suitable is CC license for source code? | 21:09 |
| luisv | not | 21:09 |
| csarven | Alright, thanks | 21:10 |
| pyrak | csarven, if you're looking to openly license source code, you might checkout the GPL | 21:10 |
| pyrak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL | 21:10 |
| csarven | Right | 21:10 |
| csarven | well, I was thinking CC BY-SA 3.0 | 21:10 |
| luisv | http://jay.tuley.name/archives/2006/03/27/5-reasons-not-to-choose-a-Creative-Commons-license-for-code <- good summary | 21:10 |
| csarven | Thanks | 21:10 |
| luisv | sadly that blog entry does not appear to be CC-licensed else I'd suggest copying and pasting it into http://creativecommons.org/software | 21:11 |
| csarven | Hmm.. why is LGPL mentioned at http://creativecommons.org/licenses/LGPL/2.1/ ? | 21:13 |
| luisv | because (as pointed out in both of those posts) CC offers human readable descriptions of both gpl and lgpl | 21:16 |
| paroneayea | for the v2.X editions anyway. | 21:25 |
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| nathany | mralex, maybe we should just use Gravatars for the staff photos ;) | 21:40 |
| nathany | with the wacky auto-generated geometric ones for those without ;) | 21:40 |
| mralex | is yours of Maddie? | 21:40 |
| mralex | ;) | 21:40 |
| nathany | lol | 21:40 |
| nathany | no, just me looking brooding and angry, of course | 21:40 |
| nathany | maddie should have her own, though | 21:40 |
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| JED3 | nathany, does this suffice? http://api.creativecommons.org/docs/readme_dev.html#locale-xx | 22:30 |
| nathany | JED3, yes | 22:31 |
| nathany | looks like that's live on dev now? | 22:31 |
| JED3 | yes, as of sunday | 22:31 |
| nathany | awesome | 22:31 |
| JED3 | working on the email now | 22:31 |
| nathany | sounds good | 22:31 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: i totally forgot to bug you about it at the all-staff, but did you ever get anywhere with your ideas about the ccorg homepage? | 23:13 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: It's still in my inbox as an action item. :-) | 23:14 |
| mralex | ;) | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | I do still plan to put something together, thought. | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | I've been lately thinking to make it a really crude looking mock-up in HTML. I started on in a few weeks ago but ran into some early problems battling with the CC CSS. | 23:15 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | Hi .. I am new to Creative Commons Licences ... I searched the last 12 hours at creativecommons.org but was not able to find a licence applicable to my needs ... may anyone help me ? | 23:15 |
| mralex | nkinkade: wireframes may be easier, rather than battling css and layout. | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | mralex: wireframes? I'm not familiar with those. | 23:16 |
| mralex | nkinkade: simply getting the function and concepts across, without the gloss. (http://wireframes.tumblr.com/) | 23:17 |
| nkinkade | mralex: :-) | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: so I'm trying to figure out how this REQUEST_FILENAME stuff currently works for the deed caching | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | You may be right. All I really want to mock up is a rough, rough idea of some key elements that I think could make a difference. | 23:18 |
| paroneayea | I see how it is used but not how it is populated | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: What Deed caching? | 23:19 |
| paroneayea | in cc.engine in the apache config | 23:19 |
| paroneayea | maybe nathany knows more about this | 23:19 |
| paroneayea | eg RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | I'm not aware that there is any deed caching going on, except with nathany's new wsgi stuff. | 23:19 |
| nkinkade | Is that implemented already on staging? | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | the old stuff used caching | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | I'm trying to figure out how it worked | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Those rewrite rules don't have anything to do with caching, that I know of. | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | so I can change the apache rules | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | oh | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | Those are just the rules to divert incoming requests from Apache to cc.engine. | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | ah | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | But I think that we use Varnish for that now, anyway ... unless I'm confusing it with something else. | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | I thought the old cc.engine also used caching, and wsgi_cache was kind of reproducing its behavior | 23:21 |
| paroneayea | maybe the caching was just done inside of zope though. | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I suspect that is right, that it was all done inside Zope and/or cc.engine. | 23:22 |
| paroneayea | at any rate, yeah the disk caching does work and writes files to disk now | 23:22 |
| paroneayea | so I guess I should figure out the rules so that cc.engine can use it | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: It's possible the old cc.engine cached things, at least on staging, but for some time (2 years?) we have been serving static Deeds. | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | Hence bin/mkdeed. | 23:22 |
| nathany | paroneayea, nkinkade, the old cc.engine did no caching on its own | 23:23 |
| nathany | only varnish or static deeds | 23:23 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | I'd like to have a license like CC-bync but allowing derivative works to be licenced comercially e.g. under CC-by. | 23:23 |
| nkinkade | [ASV-TSC]Ineluki: As I'm sure you found, no such CC license exists, at least to my knowledge. | 23:25 |
| luisv | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CCPlus ? | 23:25 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | on first sight, I presumed CC-bync would be exactly this .. and keeping the NC status would require SA ... but this seems mot to be the case | 23:25 |
| nkinkade | NC doesn't require SA, but there is a BY-NC-SA license. | 23:25 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | no, I thought that a derivative work of CC-bync could be CC-by oder CC-bync or CC-byncsa ... and not only CC-bync and CC-byncsa | 23:26 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ah okay | 23:27 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | thanks for the tip, I'll habe a look at CC+ | 23:27 |
| nkinkade | [ASV-TSC]Ineluki: No, that isn't correct. Here is a license compatibility chart: | 23:31 |
| nkinkade | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#If_I_use_a_Creative_Commons-licensed_work_to_create_a_new_work__.28ie_a_derivative_work_or_adaptation.29.2C_which_Creative_Commons_license_can_I_use_for_my_new_work.3F | 23:31 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | yeah, I found that Chart, too. Therefrom I have my information, that CC-bync is not compatible to CC-by | 23:35 |
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| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | but thanks for the link anyway | 23:36 |
| [ASV-TSC]Ineluki | Thank you all for your help. CC+ seems to be the thing I was looking for. | 23:53 |
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