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| JED3 | paroneayea: ping | 00:29 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: poing | 00:29 |
| paroneayea | pong, even | 00:29 |
| paroneayea | what's up | 00:29 |
| JED3 | hi, how is the work coming along on the CC0 selector in cc.license? | 00:30 |
| paroneayea | Heh, depends on how nathan responds to the long email I just sent | 00:30 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | basically I've been working on adding back the RDFA html formatter stuff to cc.license this last week | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | which took me a long time, longer than expected | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | so that is pretty much done, excepting a couple of formatting things, but | 00:32 |
| paroneayea | toward the end I realized that we were going to make things really difficult for translators because of our trying to get around these html attribute things | 00:32 |
| paroneayea | I just sent nathan an email asking if I should switch zpt -> jinja2 so that we don't have translation strings that look like | 00:32 |
| paroneayea | [a href="${foo}"]bar baz[/a] | 00:33 |
| paroneayea | which translators would have to switch to | 00:33 |
| paroneayea | <a href="${foo}">bar baz</a> | 00:33 |
| nathany | paroneayea, what branch of cc.license are you working on these days? master? | 00:33 |
| nathany | paroneayea, nevermind, just saw your commit message | 00:35 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 00:36 |
| nathany | paroneayea, do you remember [re]moving a cc/license/registration.py ? | 00:38 |
| paroneayea | hm... no? | 00:38 |
| nathany | ok, thanks | 00:39 |
| nathany | i'll try to track it down | 00:39 |
| paroneayea | nathany: why do you ask? | 00:40 |
| paroneayea | (or, what did it do?) | 00:40 |
| nathany | paroneayea, i'm looking at Franks' old API code that used the initial version of cc.license he wrote | 00:40 |
| nathany | cc.license.registration is an import error [these days, at least] | 00:40 |
| paroneayea | oh | 00:40 |
| paroneayea | hm, maybe that does sound familiar | 00:40 |
| paroneayea | I remember hitting an import error thing at one point | 00:41 |
| paroneayea | though I don't remember what | 00:41 |
| paroneayea | hm, the imports I removed were in 03e0c030dca0ecfa7a0cfede806a3c8cf2c709d2 | 00:42 |
| paroneayea | and they weren't registration | 00:42 |
| nathany | ok | 00:42 |
| paroneayea | the cc/license/formatters/filters.py is what I remembered removing | 00:42 |
| nathany | paroneayea, thanks | 00:44 |
| nathany | paroneayea, JED3, looks like the "new" API code is a lot less baked than I remember | 00:44 |
| paroneayea | lol, that's good I suppose? :) | 00:45 |
| nathany | for some value of "good" ;) | 00:45 |
| JED3 | heh, so no PnP for CC0 in the API </accronym> | 00:46 |
| JED3 | acronym* | 00:46 |
| nathany | JED3, yeah, I think I'm going to dig in a little this evening and see how hard it'll be to whip it up | 00:47 |
| paroneayea | JED3: plug and play for cc0? | 00:48 |
| * paroneayea not sure what you mean | 00:48 | |
| JED3 | paroneayea: nathany and I were talking over email on how to add CC0 support in the API | 00:49 |
| paroneayea | JED3: there is support | 00:50 |
| paroneayea | I added it | 00:50 |
| paroneayea | cc.license.by_code('CC0') | 00:50 |
| paroneayea | if you are using master | 00:50 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: sorry, i meant the REST API | 00:50 |
| paroneayea | oh | 00:50 |
| paroneayea | okay yes, that is different :) | 00:50 |
| JED3 | :) | 00:50 |
| nathany | paroneayea, I was hoping JED3 could just plug your CC0 work into cc.api to support CC0 in http://api.creativecommons.org/ | 00:51 |
| paroneayea | ah yeah, unfortunately the chooser requires different get values and etf | 00:52 |
| paroneayea | if you look at CC0HTMLFormatter, it takes different values in the work_info :( | 00:52 |
| paroneayea | but it's pretty much taking that work_info data from the GET/POST | 00:52 |
| paroneayea | maybe we could do translation into the same values the main formatter uses | 00:53 |
| paroneayea | but looks like you're talking about more than just the RDFa | 00:53 |
| * paroneayea honestly has not looked at the REST API before, is a bad person | 00:55 | |
| nathany | paroneayea, yes, no problem that it takes different work_info values | 01:00 |
| nathany | expected that | 01:00 |
| nathany | no worries, i haven't asked you to look @ it | 01:01 |
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| sdubois | when i use someone under Attribution-Noncommercial 2.0 Generic, say from flickr, do i give credit to the flickr username? | 01:52 |
| nkinkade | sdubois: Giving credit to the user's Flickr name good .. even better is linking to the user's photostream or profile. | 01:56 |
| sdubois | k, i'll have to do that at home, my school blocks flickr | 02:00 |
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| * tcp_ip who have paypal france msg me. | 03:14 | |
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| paroneayea | tcp_ip: read the channel /topic | 05:26 |
| paroneayea | I suspect this is not the place you think it is | 05:26 |
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| augustinas | guten morgen | 11:34 |
| JoiIto | ohayo | 11:35 |
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| paroneayea | good morning #cc | 15:26 |
| augustinas | It's not just you! http://translate.creativecommons.org looks down from here. | 15:27 |
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| oral | http://forum.creativecommons.org/topic/262 | 15:50 |
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| oral | ok easy Question, is it possible to do BY-SA -> BY-ND ? | 16:22 |
| oral | in any way? | 16:22 |
| luisv | 'under same/similar/compatible license' | 16:23 |
| luisv | clearly *intended* to mean SA | 16:23 |
| luisv | though frankly 'similar' is not as clear as it should be | 16:23 |
| oral | so answer is NO. hmm | 16:32 |
| oral | so it's time to try it, don't think somebody will sue me ;-) | 16:36 |
| luisv | that is... an extremely rude way to think about it, oral | 16:38 |
| luisv | you've benefited from the generosity of whoever produced that CC-SA work | 16:38 |
| luisv | the *least* you can do is respect their choices about licensing | 16:39 |
| luisv | rather than say 'oh, they probably won't sue me' | 16:39 |
| luisv | and ignore them | 16:39 |
| paroneayea | aside from being rude, I don't think you can expect anyone to respect your licensing choice, or even for it to hold up if you don't respect theirs, so the move to a more restrictive license doesn't make sense | 16:41 |
| paroneayea | also yes, quite rude | 16:41 |
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| oral | maybe CC is bad, because it don't think about authors like me. I want to translate some hostings company wiki and add some more info. But you don't know our country. Stealing everything what is digital is normal...so I don't want to support some MFA makers etc. If CC would offer something for my case it would by cool, and I can say it's ok coz SA say "similar". After all it's better then do dead bug and have no license at all.. | 16:55 |
| augustinas | well | 17:04 |
| augustinas | think globally act locally :) | 17:04 |
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| oral | You can express here: http://forum.creativecommons.org/topic/262 | 17:13 |
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| oral | Maybe it will help tommorow generations, coz license is so hard to interpret (evidently my case).. | 17:14 |
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| luisv | paroneayea: I almost used the technical term 'dick move' | 18:06 |
| paroneayea | luisv: heh | 18:06 |
| luisv | (rather than 'rude') | 18:06 |
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| paroneayea | oh | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | JED3: apparently yesterday I said I was working on cc.license master | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | that was a lie | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | I guess I really have been working on the template_revamp branch it seems | 20:53 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: yeah I noticed that this morning | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | :X | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | sorry | 20:53 |
| JED3 | ;) no prob, didn't affect me | 20:53 |
| paroneayea | yay | 20:53 |
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| akozak | is there a tech sync today or is it cancelled? | 20:55 |
| paroneayea | good question. I think nathany is on a plane | 20:55 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: I started toying with the idea of a lisp wrapper to the license api | 20:56 |
| paroneayea | JED3: ... which lisp? :) | 20:56 |
| akozak | paroneayea, I'll just assume no then... | 20:56 |
| JED3 | CL | 20:56 |
| paroneayea | I think it would be neat, though tbh I am not sure how much it will be used | 20:57 |
| paroneayea | would be a fun project though | 20:57 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: haha, very rarely I am sure | 20:57 |
| akozak | i think that would merit a nerd badge | 20:57 |
| paroneayea | why don't we program it git style, C binaries wrapped in perl | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | then other languages can wrap our perl and bash scripts for their own apis | 20:58 |
| paroneayea | like GitPython! That's how GitPython works, subprocess.popen | 20:58 |
| JED3 | haha | 20:59 |
| akozak | that reminds me, anyone else see the facebook hiphop project thing | 20:59 |
| akozak | http://developers.facebook.com/news.php?blog=1&story=358 | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | it kind of scares me, converting php to C | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | I guess it is like pyrex for PHP? | 21:01 |
| JED3 | wouldn't a closer relative be cython? | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | would it? I thought that was for writing C extensions | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | pyrex converts python to C | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | and then compiles it | 21:02 |
| paroneayea | I thought that was what hiphop does | 21:02 |
| * paroneayea did not read carefully though | 21:02 | |
| JED3 | paroneayea: i haven't read much into hiphop | 21:03 |
| paroneayea | HipHop for PHP isn't technically a compiler itself. Rather it is a source code transformer. HipHop programmatically transforms your PHP source code into highly optimized C++ and then uses g++ to compile it. HipHop executes the source code in a semantically equivalent manner and sacrifices some rarely used features — such as eval() — in exchange for improved performance. HipHop includes a code transformer, a reimplementati | 21:03 |
| paroneayea | runtime system, and a rewrite of many common PHP Extensions to take advantage of these performance optimizations. | 21:03 |
| paroneayea | it kind of makes me gag, but maybe I am being a code bigot | 21:04 |
| paroneayea | why I gotta be so racist against php | 21:04 |
| JED3 | i wonder what they consider to be in the "rarely used features" set? | 21:04 |
| paroneayea | not sure. Though it sounds like this can run *most* php | 21:05 |
| JED3 | i hope they didn't scrap goto ;) | 21:05 |
| paroneayea | whereas pyrex is "like" programming python | 21:05 |
| akozak | I think the most interesting thing about that post was that they seem to have done this because not enough of their developers know c++ | 21:05 |
| paroneayea | well, there is also the cost of migrating a codebase | 21:06 |
| akozak | well in a way they are migrating it aren't they? | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | I imagine what the facebook codebase is probably like | 21:06 |
| paroneayea | there i am being prejudiced again, this time against facebook | 21:06 |
| akozak | haha | 21:07 |
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| akozak | mralex, what are the wp elements in the cc wiki theme? | 21:10 |
| akozak | is it wrapped in a wp theme or are there just specific calls to the wp code? | 21:10 |
| mralex | akozak: i think i misread your original post about which theme to start from | 21:11 |
| akozak | mralex, ah. | 21:11 |
| mralex | akozak: but i am unclear about the branding and messaging if you're wanting to start from the cc wiki theme | 21:11 |
| mralex | unless it's your intent to merge in the sj wp theme elements | 21:12 |
| akozak | mralex, exactly. i'd replace the logo, change the color, and modify the header links. | 21:12 |
| akozak | and the footer I suppose | 21:12 |
| akozak | mralex, I really like everything else about the theme though. | 21:13 |
| akozak | does that seem sensible? | 21:14 |
| mralex | yea | 21:14 |
| mralex | it should be clear enough where to replace the header and footer blocks | 21:15 |
| akozak | ok, I think we're waiting on nathany to weigh in on running a new MW instance. | 21:16 |
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| JED3-lunch | paroneayea: hey what dates will you be in SF? | 22:59 |
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| paroneayea | JED3: hey... 15-18 of this month | 23:09 |
| paroneayea | oh wait hm | 23:09 |
| paroneayea | that's not right | 23:09 |
| paroneayea | okay it is | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | I come in the night of the 14th | 23:10 |
| JED3 | okay cool | 23:13 |
| JED3 | thought you may find this event interesting: http://www.meetup.com/sfpython/calendar/12510388/ | 23:13 |
| JED3 | it has a waiting list (which I am on) so if you're interested you may want to jump on that list | 23:14 |
| paroneayea | oh whoa | 23:15 |
| paroneayea | yeah that does look interesting | 23:15 |
| paroneayea | thx for letting me know | 23:15 |
| JED3 | yw ;) | 23:15 |
| paroneayea | signed up :) | 23:16 |
| akozak | hey, that looks interesting and i dont even know python | 23:26 |
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