Tuesday, 2010-01-05

nkinkademralex: Yeah, cached JS.  Sorry about the noise.00:00
nathanyparoneayea, i need to head out and run an errand but i have a first cut of the caching middleware working (with 100% test coverage)00:03
nathanyneed to write a README and then i'll push it to code00:03
nathany(it's in a separate repo from cc.engine)00:03
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zzo38Can you help with a licensing question http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/icosahedral/icoruma/license.irm05:34
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hellyeahwhats up09:51
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paroneayeaheya nathany17:00
nathanyhey paroneayea17:01
paroneayeasorry I didn't respond last night, missed your message17:01
nathanynot a problem, more of an fyi17:01
paroneayeanathany, nkinkade: with all the talk of backup stuff we've had, did you guys see this? http://github.com/apenwarr/bup17:02
paroneayeaI haven't tried it yet, but it looks kinda promising :)17:03
nathanythe 0.01 version number does make me a little cautious about using it exclusively :)17:04
paroneayeabut the idea of doing incremental backups using the git packfile format, and that it allegedly also works with large binary files is really interesting to me17:04
paroneayeaI am thinking of maybe switching my local backups to a two-tier system of rsync for normal backups (non-incremental, currently also use it for incremental backups) and using bup for incremental backups17:06
paroneayeausing rsync for incremental backups means you often have a lot of wasted storage space when big files change...17:07
nkinkadeparoneayea: It looks pretty interesting, but I don't like the idea that the backups are only accessible via bup or git.17:10
nkinkadeThe nice thing about dirvish (rsync) is that those files just exist as regular files on the backup machine and it makes it ultra easy to just jump over there and cherry-pick a file using tools that are available on any Unix-like machine.17:11
nkinkadeDirvish uses rsync's ability to create hard links for files that haven't changed, so it's fairly space efficient.17:12
nkinkadeSo we have a weeks worth of running backups, incremental in nature, but full backups when viewed with tools like ls and cp.17:14
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nkinkadeIf a file doesn't change over the course of a week, then only a single copy of it will actually be on the physical disc, with multiple hard links to it.  Most of our files don't change, so we only really backup changed files.17:15
nkinkadeI don't particularly like backup systems where your data is all locked up in some format that can only be extracted with 3rd party tools.17:16
paroneayeathat makes sense17:18
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paroneayeaoops, ignore18:23
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nkinkademralex: What is the current external IP of the router?18:38
nkinkademralex: Thanks.  So that is what dyndns has also, but I'm getting a connection refused with SSH.  I assume the backup machine ( is up?18:40
mralexnkinkade: correct18:40
nkinkadeI'm starting to get the feeling that there is a bug in OpenWRT.18:40
nkinkademralex: Sorry, but would you be able to spare a few minutes to take another quick look at the router with me?  It's really not good that I can't access the backup machine.18:46
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mralexnkinkade: k, free now. what do you need me to do?18:53
nkinkademralex: pm18:53
mralexnathany: http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html19:00
nathanymralex, i saw19:01
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nathanyparoneayea, http://pypi.python.org/pypi/wsgi_cache19:05
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paroneayeanathany: oo19:13
paroneayeanathany: is that what you are using?19:14
nathanythat's what i wrote19:16
nathanyparoneayea, ^^19:16
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paroneayeadidn't look at the author line19:17
paroneayeaactually this also looks perfect for wsgit19:18
paroneayeanathany: thx :)19:18
nathanysure :)19:19
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JED3paroneayea: boing19:22
paroneayeaJED3: poing19:28
JED3hey, quick q, when is the planned rollout of your cc.engine rework?19:28
paroneayeaI don't think there's a specific date, but within the next couple of months19:31
JED3oh ok19:31
paroneayeaprestaging tasks are:19:36
paroneayea - finish static assets (working on that now, almost done)19:36
paroneayea - Finish the couple of remaining "special" license choosers: (public domain, cc0, fsf)19:37
paroneayea - improve unit tests19:37
paroneayea - deploy w/ flup & fastcgi (which, actually I think we just have to *do*, we already know how)19:38
paroneayeaso, poststaging tasks:19:38
paroneayea - url reversing (actually, I just added the functionality for this yesterday, just need to make all the links use it)19:38
paroneayea - performance metrics19:38
paroneayea - caching (and nathan just solved that I think)19:38
paroneayea - staging/production strategy and docs19:39
paroneayeaso we are almost there19:39
paroneayeaI guess I don't think that's going to take the next couple of months.  I am just currently trying to tick off tasks as efficiently and quickly as possible.19:47
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nkinkademralex: Are you edit the Fellows & Interns people page?20:40
nkinkadeI just finished adding tvol to the main staff page and was about to remove him from the Fellows page when WP warned me you were editing the page.20:40
mralexoh, yeah, i was about to do that21:05
tvoltvol is HOT TOPIC21:11
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nkinkademralex: After beating my head against the wall for a while I finally stumbled upon this:22:14
nkinkadeIt seems that this has been an on-going problem for a couple years.22:15
mralexnkinkade: ah, intesreting22:15
JED3nkinkade: did someone report a problem today?22:15
nkinkadeThe simple workaround which brought it back up immediately is to not specify, but simply
nkinkadeJED3: I did.22:15
JED3nkinkade: no i meant did someone in the office report one to you?22:16
nkinkadeJED3: The problem doesn't affect users in the office, just anyone (me) trying to ssh to the backup machine.22:16
nkinkadeIt's a bizarre problem that is likely something in the DNAT code released with OpenWRT.  There seems to be a simple workaround, though.22:17
JED3nkinkade: oh okay, i was having an odd issue earlier today, thats only why I ask.22:19
nkinkadeWhen mralex was helping me we briefly broke DNS resolution.  It could have been that.22:19
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* paroneayea kind of irritated at infrae.subversion23:28
JED3paroneayea: using it for www media?23:28
paroneayeawell, nothing major, I just think it's dumb that it doesn't allow you to install any other files into the parent directory that the rest of the static files are dumped into23:28
paroneayeabut doesn't warn you the first time you buildout23:29
paroneayeaonly on subsequent buildouts23:29
paroneayeawhy impose a restriction the second and etc times around but not the first?23:29
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