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| nkinkade | nathany: https://translations.launchpad.net/creativecommons.org | 18:12 |
| nathany | nkinkade, cool, i'll take a look | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | It took me a while to figure out how to get it up there. I ended up making a small Bazaar repo in ~nkinkade on a7, and just having LP pull stuff from there. | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | I tried uploading a POT file, but it was stuck in the import queue still after 15+ hours, so I had no idea when LP people would review and/or accept it. This way it went up immediately and automatically. | 18:13 |
| nkinkade | Interestingly, I'm not really sure why it added Spanish as a language. I never specified that. Maybe that is some default. | 18:14 |
| nathany | huh | 18:14 |
| nathany | generally looks good | 18:16 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i had a little trouble finding the place to actually translate things, but i think the translation interface itself looks perfectly reasonable | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I was fairly impressed that if it found existing translations for things it would suggest them. | 18:22 |
| nathany | right | 18:22 |
| nkinkade | That is, for "New Zealand" in Spanish it suggested "Nueva Zelanda" already among some others. | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | That was convenient | 18:23 |
| nathany | that's always the promise of translation software, but we never saw the benefit in our isolated environment | 18:23 |
| greg-g | shouldn't there be a listing on that page you linked to of all the languages, nkinkade ? | 18:23 |
| nathany | i think pootle does something similar if you enable translation memory | 18:23 |
| nathany | greg-g, there is, but that's what i had a hard time finding... let me find the link | 18:23 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: There is, and there is only one langauge: Spanish. | 18:23 |
| greg-g | heh | 18:24 |
| nathany | mine showed a few languages | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | I was somewhat confused how Spanish got in there. | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | Oh, I know. | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | It's because I told LP that English and Spanish were my languages. | 18:24 |
| greg-g | hah | 18:24 |
| nkinkade | That's sort of nice. | 18:24 |
| nathany | i don't know why it says "there are no translations" on the link you pasted, nkinkade, but https://translations.launchpad.net/creativecommons.org/trunk/+pots/creativecommons | 18:25 |
| greg-g | oh, there we go, now there is spanish | 18:25 |
| nathany | shows the template | 18:25 |
| nathany | maybe because no one's saved a translation? | 18:25 |
| nkinkade | Well, there are no translations in the POT. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | Just empty msgstrs. | 18:26 |
| greg-g | ahhh | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | I just saved some translations for Spanish. | 18:26 |
| nathany | ah, got it | 18:26 |
| nathany | now it shows up | 18:26 |
| nathany | cool | 18:26 |
| nathany | i like the suggestion handling, too | 18:27 |
| paulproteus | Mmm, lunchpad. | 18:28 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: are you a fan of LP now? | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | nathany: How are they handled, suggestions? | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | greg-g, Like a true Debian zealot, I'll waffle about Lunchpad for eternity. | 18:28 |
| nkinkade | "Someone should review this translation?" | 18:28 |
| nathany | nkinkade, right | 18:28 |
| paulproteus | But I will admit, I have hosted freeculture.org's issue tracker there for ages. | 18:28 |
| nathany | then in the translate interface there's a dropdown towards the top | 18:28 |
| nathany | "Translating [drop down] using [language] as a guide." | 18:29 |
| greg-g | paulproteus: :) | 18:29 |
| nathany | you can look at several views there | 18:29 |
| paulproteus | (It's Free Software now, so it's probably just dandy. I still view it as kind of alien, but CC using it for translations is probably a good idea. I don't know the whole context of this discussion.) | 18:33 |
| nathany | paulproteus, basically the question is, do we need to run it ourselves these days? | 18:33 |
| nkinkade | Maybe not even so much do we need to run it ourselves, but would be benefit from *not* running ourselves. | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | As much fun as it was being responsible for something, in your shoes (nathany) I'd try as hard as I can to answer it with a "No". | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | I mean, "No" to running it yourself. | 18:34 |
| nkinkade | Pootle fun? | 18:34 |
| paulproteus | I haven't tried the new Pootle. It looks vaguely promising. | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | God knows the codebase has nothing to do with the old jToolkit nonsense. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: http://pootle.creativecommons.org | 18:35 |
| paulproteus | I mean, it's lightning-fast (esp. in comparison). | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | It looks a little better on the surface than the older one we have, but still is rather clunky, to me. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I don't know about under the hood ... it must surely be better in that dept. | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | Above the hood matters quite a lot. | 18:36 |
| paulproteus | I don't think I have an account, so I can't see much inside. | 18:36 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: my next question is why are there more languages here, https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/creativecommons.org/trunk/+pots/creativecommons, than here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/creativecommons.org | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | I like hte look of http://pootle.creativecommons.org/be/pootle/translate.html?match_names=check-isfuzzy,untranslated&view_mode=review | 18:37 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: guest/guest | 18:37 |
| paulproteus | Trading passwords on IRC. A time-honored tradition. | 18:38 |
| nathany | paulproteus, not just IRC, publicly logged IRC ;) | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | It still has those clunky "Submit" "Suggest" "Translate," etc. buttons. Apparently there are reasons for that, but I don't like it. | 18:39 |
| nkinkade | Unless there is some fatal bug in Pootle 2.0 that allows a Pootle user to take control of the host, then I don't care who logs in and vandalizes it. | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | I like the "related" thing at http://pootle.creativecommons.org/fr/pootle/pootle.po?match_names=check-isfuzzy,untranslated&view_mode=review | 18:40 |
| paulproteus | Maybe that has always been there, but even if so, it looks nice now. | 18:40 |
| nathany | that's new | 18:43 |
| paulproteus | If moving to Launchpad would help you guys find high enough quality translators that jurisdiction leads would actually approve translations from, then I'd go with Launchpad basically no matter what. | 18:47 |
| paulproteus | Or if its tools for notifying translators of new strings causes people to actually translate them soon after the notification. | 18:48 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: The latter could be a benefit if LP has it, but I think the former is the main motivation for looking into it ... LP may expose the CC translation project to a much wide base of interested translators ... at least that is the thought. | 18:51 |
| paulproteus | If the blocker is jurisdiction leads needing to approve translations and never doing it, then all the new translators in the world won't help. | 18:52 |
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| johndbritton | can anyone in here help me with choosing a jurisdiction? What are the implications of unported vs US license. | 19:10 |
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| paulproteus | johndbritton, You should check out the CC Frequently Asked Questions page. http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions | 19:40 |
| paulproteus | I think this question is discussed there. | 19:40 |
| johndbritton | ok that gives me a little clarity | 19:41 |
| johndbritton | i think i chose an unported license in the time since I asked the question. the usage of the content will be global but it is being created in the usa | 19:41 |
| johndbritton | thanks paulproteus | 19:44 |
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| paulproteus | Happy to help! | 19:45 |
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| nkinkade | greg-g: You know Launchpad pretty well, right? | 21:29 |
| greg-g | nkinkade: decently | 21:32 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: I'm just trying to be 100% sure that the "export" feature on Launchpad is limited to upstream Bazaar repositories. | 21:33 |
| nkinkade | Some user named wgrant on #launchpad just verified that for me. | 21:33 |
| greg-g | wgrant is reliable | 21:34 |
| greg-g | I know very little about the translation part of LP, so I don't know much about the exporting | 21:35 |
| greg-g | ask me about bugs/branches/teams and I can help :) | 21:35 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: It's not just about translations, but about code in general. | 21:36 |
| greg-g | which "export" feature? | 21:37 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: That is the term that LP is using for automatically pushing changes to code in LP back to an upstream repository. | 21:39 |
| greg-g | ohhh, uh | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | They only support bazaar upstream repositories for this auto-syncing feature. | 21:39 |
| nkinkade | Basically people commit at LP, and then periodically LP will push the changes to the upstream repository. | 21:40 |
| greg-g | oh, yeah, my upstream has always been LP anyways (for gwibber), so I haven't done much with that | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | We sort of need this because our translations are related tooling are pretty all dependent on subversion. | 21:40 |
| greg-g | gotcha | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | However, there is a tool called bzr-svn. | 21:41 |
| greg-g | correct | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Are we interested enough in Launchpad for me to try some testing with bzr-svn? | 21:42 |
| nkinkade | It seems to me that that is about the only realistic way for us to use Launchpad and still stay with subversion on our side. | 21:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade, probably, although not sure if it's more appropriate to do bzr-svn or bzr-git at the moment | 21:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade, not necessarily, but it'd be nice; if we had a script that pulled the latest translations from launchpad and committed them, we could cron that and use that approach instead of the current instant staging | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Well, whichever it ends up being we'll have to interface with Bazaar to use Launchpad so there will have to be some sort of middleware that does the links them seamlessly. | 21:43 |
| nkinkade | nathany: That's what I was thinking ... that perhaps bzr-svn could run periodically to push/pull changes from LP. | 21:44 |
| nathany | right | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Shall I upload some other test branch and test that functionality? | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | Just don't want to waste time going down a path that you don' think is viable or worth the effort. | 21:45 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i think it's worth looking into | 21:45 |
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