| JED3 | nkinkade: trying it out now | 00:00 |
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| JED3 | yeah it just worked for me | 00:02 |
| JED3 | so i created a "prism" app for my the cc google mail account, and when i click on links inside that window, they open in whatever browser my os has set to default | 00:03 |
| akozak | Haha, love this wp comment akismet missed: "It is nice to definitely locate a web site where the blogger knows really well about his subject." | 00:18 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Good news. I'll have to try that. | 00:20 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: http://seriouslytrivial.com/2009/01/13/open-google-chrome-links-in-firefoxkinda/ that might be a saner approach | 00:23 |
| JED3 | but that would (shutter) require you to use Google Chrome | 00:23 |
| JED3 | which doesnt yet appear to have the cookie access control that FF boasts | 00:24 |
| JED3 | I've been running chrome for the first time today and I can definitely see a performance improvement in GMail | 00:25 |
| nkinkade | JED3: The problem there is that I have 5 virtual desktops and Google Apps is on a diff one that my main Firefox instance, so it doesn't show in the task bar. | 00:26 |
| nkinkade | I guess I could select to have it visible on all desktops. | 00:26 |
| JED3 | yeah, I was saying once something like was natively supported in Chrome or an extension was built | 00:27 |
| JED3 | there is already a FF to Chrome extension, surely there will be one built for the opposite direction | 00:27 |
| nkinkade | JED3: That does work, though. | 00:28 |
| nkinkade | Though I don't like having my main Firefox instance on every desktop .. defeats the purpose of having multiple desktops, sort of. | 00:29 |
| paroneayea | so what's the state of the tracemonkey vs v8 war? | 00:31 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: agreed | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | er, sunspider | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | (whatever mozilla's js engine is) | 00:31 |
| paroneayea | syntensity/ the intensity engine is running v8 and it is really fast | 00:32 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: i'm going to wait for a chrome extension | 00:32 |
| JED3 | Prism works but feels very clunky | 00:33 |
| nkinkade | JED3: And meantime I'll keep Copying Link Location -> paste. | 00:33 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 00:33 |
| JED3 | haha | 00:33 |
| nkinkade | But I'm getting TOR up and running for my Google Apps instance of Firefox. | 00:33 |
| nkinkade | Just for fun. | 00:34 |
| JED3 | lol go for it | 00:34 |
| nkinkade | I don't pretend to have anonymity. | 00:34 |
| nkinkade | But it'll make me feel better. | 00:34 |
| JED3 | paroneayea: I dont know | 00:37 |
| paroneayea | <j_king> hah, I love the EULA that comes with chrome. [18:40] | 00:41 |
| paroneayea | <j_king> "from time to time we may remotely disable extensions to your | 00:41 |
| paroneayea | browser" | 00:41 |
| paroneayea | chromium at least doesn't (can't) have such scary clauses | 00:43 |
| paroneayea | http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/eula_text.html <- hard to tell what they mean by "Services" in here | 00:44 |
| paroneayea | if it's their separate webapps, why put that in the chrome eula itself? | 00:44 |
| paroneayea | owell | 00:46 |
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| Matson | of interest? http://www.bbc.co.uk/digitalrevolution/licences/digitalrevolution_licence.shtml The BBC Digital Revolution Licence | 02:44 |
| Matson | hilariously fail: "HOWEVER the licence granted .. provided to You only if You ..." "do not use the Work, for any purpose or on any website which ... otherwise brings the BBC into disrepute" | 02:48 |
| Matson | other than all the caveats and absurdities, it sounds kinds like CC with share alike, Non-Commercial, etc. | 02:49 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: I forgot what OS do you use? | 15:57 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: ubuntu or debian gnu/linux | 15:57 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: So have you had any luck with any of the SIP clients? | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | I use ekiga | 15:58 |
| nkinkade | I can't ever seem to get a clear connection. I've tried Ekiga, Twinkle, Yate, Linphone. | 15:58 |
| paroneayea | I can hear everyone just fine | 15:59 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Can you send me the list of audio codecs you have enabled and what order they are in? | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | Speex, PCMU, PCMA, G722 | 15:59 |
| paroneayea | says it is currently connected w/ PCMU | 15:59 |
| nkinkade | Speex 8KHz or 16KHz? | 16:01 |
| paroneayea | 16khz | 16:02 |
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| paroneayea | uh | 16:26 |
| paroneayea | initiate horror movie drive | 16:26 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Got a second to connect to conf line #9 with Ekiga? | 17:45 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: sure | 17:46 |
| paroneayea | although I can't speak from this computer :) | 17:47 |
| paroneayea | I can't call now | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | I am trying | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | it says User not found | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | oh | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | ? | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | well that's why | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | so now I tried disconnecting and reconnecting | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | and it says "User not authorized | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | " | 17:48 |
| paroneayea | for cc@conference.creativecommons.org | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: Ugh. Ekiga has been really unstable for me, but since you were having good luck, I did these things: | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | $ sudo aptitude purge ekiga | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | $ sudo su | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | $ locate ekiga | xargs rm -rf | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | $ locate gnomemetting | xargs rm -rf | 17:50 |
| nkinkade | And now things seems a little better. :-) | 17:50 |
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| paroneayea | yikes! | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | I've got to put put more CC-licensed songs from Jamendo for hold music. | 17:51 |
| paroneayea | | xargs rm -rf | 17:51 |
| paroneayea | that's a scary command | 17:51 |
| paroneayea | yikes | 17:51 |
| nkinkade | I'm ruthless. | 17:51 |
| JED3 | haha | 17:52 |
| nkinkade | It wasn't really necessary, but purge wasn't doing what I expected, so I pulled out the big guns. | 17:52 |
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| nkinkade | (I probably wouldn't do that on one of the servers. :-) | 17:52 |
| paroneayea | I do not think I will ever pipe something to xargs rm -rf ever | 17:52 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Did you use a SIP phone on the call today? | 17:52 |
| paroneayea | I am just twitching just thinking about it | 17:52 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: yes, but i only caught the tail end | 17:53 |
| nkinkade | It felt pretty safe, because I had perused the list of things that the locate command returned before pulling that stunt. | 17:53 |
| nkinkade | JED3: You mean the connections was so horrendous you only heard that last bit, or you only joined the call at the last minute? | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | but why can't I register as cc@conference.creativecommons.org ? | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: did you change authorization stuff? | 17:54 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: i joined late | 17:54 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: No, nothing. | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | I was able to just this morning | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | hm weird then | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | maybe there is a cap | 17:54 |
| paroneayea | of how many people can log in as the same user at once? | 17:54 |
| nkinkade | There shouldn't be because we've been doing that up till now. | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | I think some of these sound quality issues on the call are related to the SIP clients. | 17:55 |
| paroneayea | oh hey | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | Not necessarily the delay, but funny alien noises. | 17:55 |
| paroneayea | I restarted ekiga and it works :P | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | That last horrendous squeal was my fault, but I didn't want to tell anyone. | 17:55 |
| nkinkade | I had dialed in with Ekiga without a headset and apparently there were some feedback issues. | 17:56 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: What I'm curious to see is how much extra bandwidth each SIP connection takes, in unscientific terms. | 17:58 |
| paroneayea | so i can register to cc@ now but I can't dial to 100@ | 17:58 |
| paroneayea | it says user not found | 17:58 |
| nkinkade | Damn. | 17:58 |
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| nkinkade | Let me look at the Asterisk terminal. | 17:58 |
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| nkinkade | paroneayea: Still no luck, apparently? | 18:04 |
| paroneayea | let me try again | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Will you connect to conf line #9 with a SIP client for a minute? | 18:04 |
| paroneayea | "User not found" | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | Call from 'cc' to extension 'conference.creativecommons.org' rejected because extension not found. | 18:04 |
| nkinkade | That's what the Asterisk console said. | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | You're doing 9#? | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | well I never even got that far. | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | I never got to the dial pad part | 18:05 |
| paroneayea | just rejects the call outright | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. Almost looks like Ekiga is trying to auto join you or something. | 18:05 |
| nkinkade | greg-g: You around? | 18:06 |
| akozak | nathany, on discovered i just ran the ccbuild.xml crawl and before it started fetching everything i got a really long output of these messages: http://pastebin.com/m3c8e59cb is that normal or a problem? | 18:09 |
| akozak | the fetch appears to be working fine | 18:09 |
| nathany | akozak, looks like there must be resources with malformed URLs | 18:10 |
| nathany | i'd guess from something like NSDL | 18:10 |
| akozak | ah ok | 18:10 |
| akozak | oh duh, MalformedURL | 18:10 |
| nathany | where the identifier could be (theoretically) something other than a URI | 18:10 |
| akozak | it was just weird to me that they were all in a row | 18:11 |
| nathany | it shouldn't be a problem -- they just (obviously) won't be retrieved | 18:11 |
| nathany | yeah, that is a little strange, probably a side effect of how it does the query | 18:11 |
| akozak | nathany, this is making more sense. dispersed through the crawl-urls.txt file are strings like m24152. I have no idea where they came from but I don't think it's a big issue. | 18:14 |
| akozak | just weird... | 18:14 |
| nathany | akozak, they almost certainly came from the aggregation; unfortunately there's not a quick and easy way to track it down (although it is possible) | 18:14 |
| akozak | nkinkade, is there an easy way i could tell how long a command took after the fact? like if i wanted to know how long this discovered crawl took after it already finished. | 18:18 |
| akozak | or is there a way to know when it completed? | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | akozak: After the fact I don't know of a way. | 18:20 |
| akozak | hmm ok | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | But before the face you can always precede a command with time. | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | $ time somecommand -xyz | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | akozak: ^^ | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you already knew of that command, though. | 18:22 |
| akozak | yea I knew you could do something like that, but I wasn't sure if that changed anything about how the command is executed | 18:22 |
| akozak | thanks though nkinkade | 18:28 |
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| paroneayea | ;o | 19:10 |
| * paroneayea connected to emacsclient, and thus irc, over ssh on his phone while at lunch | 19:11 | |
| nathany | paroneayea, you using the N900? | 19:13 |
| paroneayea | yep | 19:13 |
| nathany | cool, can't wait to see it (hoping you're bringing it to SF) | 19:13 |
| paroneayea | oh for sure I am bringing it :) | 19:14 |
| nathany | :) | 19:14 |
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| JED3 | nathany: ping | 19:43 |
| nathany | JED3, pong | 19:43 |
| JED3 | nathany: did you know that Pootle has been rebuilt onto Django and released a 2.0 yesterday? | 19:44 |
| nathany | i knew they were rebuilding on Django | 19:44 |
| nathany | we're running an interim version now based on Django | 19:44 |
| JED3 | ahh okay | 19:44 |
| nathany | and they sent an email i need to reply to | 19:44 |
| nathany | (telling me about the release) | 19:45 |
| JED3 | okay, are there any discussion threads you can refer me to so that i may be better understand the pootle vs transifex debate? | 19:45 |
| nathany | i'm not sure there's been a lot of discussion | 19:46 |
| nathany | i think the primary reasons we're looking @ transifex is it's more comprehensive VCS support | 19:46 |
| nathany | (although that may be different in P2.0) | 19:46 |
| nathany | and a cleaned up user interface | 19:46 |
| nathany | I also think we have some PTSD from old Pootle wars that may no longer apply | 19:47 |
| nathany | nkinkade doesn't know it yet, but i'm going to ask him to deploy P2 as well, and solicit feedback on both from CCi | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | ;-) | 19:47 |
| JED3 | okay cool, what are our gripes with Transifex? | 19:47 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I suppose Dwayne had a good point. | 19:48 |
| nathany | JED3, we haven't used it enough to have them yet :) | 19:48 |
| JED3 | or disadvantages rather | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | We never were the squeaky wheel with the Pootle devs and our installed version is hopelessly out of date. | 19:48 |
| nathany | it's a little newer project, so probably doesn't have as much "institutional memory", and there are probably lots of edge cases that would need addressed | 19:48 |
| nathany | that pootle already does | 19:49 |
| nathany | but i'm just hand waving | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | Right. I looked at the Pootle 2.0 install that Dwayne pointed me to, and visually it looks the same, though I didn't see the admin interface. | 19:49 |
| nathany | right, and maybe the UI is fine for our users? who knows | 19:49 |
| nkinkade | Visually Transifex is much nicer, at least to me, but that's only one side of the coin. | 19:50 |
| nathany | i'd like to give them choices and input, so we're not foisting a choice on them | 19:50 |
| nathany | right | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | Does it work is a better question. | 19:50 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I have thought that the web translation interface for Transifex is still lacking some vital things. | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | *) search functionality | 19:51 |
| nathany | oh :( | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | *) The ability to filter by untranslated strings | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | *) The ability to filter by fuzzy strings. | 19:51 |
| nathany | hrm | 19:51 |
| nathany | those are things that'd be good to have | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | At least I didn't notice those features yet. | 19:51 |
| nathany | right | 19:51 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think "Lotte" is relatively new and will mature. | 19:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade, can you go ahead and download P2 and look @ deploying it with the cc_org strings? | 19:52 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to send a mail to the trasifex-dev list asking about an ETA on those features. | 19:52 |
| nathany | yeah, i think you're right | 19:52 |
| nkinkade | Because surely they are in the plans. | 19:52 |
| nathany | nkinkade, but it'd interesting to see what the install process is like these days | 19:52 |
| nathany | right | 19:52 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah I'll try to install Pootle 2.0 today. | 19:52 |
| nathany | thanks | 19:52 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Do you want to reply to Dwayne or should I reply and then let you reply to that reply. | 19:53 |
| nkinkade | (or something like that) | 19:53 |
| nathany | nkinkade, one sec, let me reread his msg | 19:53 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: did i just inadvertently put more on your plate? ;) | 19:53 |
| nkinkade | JED3: No. | 19:54 |
| nathany | JED3: no, you just reminded me to dump it on his plate ;) | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | I'm at point where my major projects have mostly finished and it's now just little stuff, so I was needing something like this. | 19:54 |
| nkinkade | I think that after the tech meetup I'll go away with a few more longer term things. | 19:55 |
| nathany | nkinkade, why don't you go ahead and reply thanking him for pointing this out and saying that we'll do a test deployment and let them know what we find | 19:55 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I was thinking the same thing. | 19:55 |
| nathany | maybe emphasize that we haven't made any decisions yet | 19:55 |
| nathany | and that pootle actually has massively improved between major releases (which it has) | 19:55 |
| nathany | does that seem sane? | 19:55 |
| nathany | he also emailed me directly, so i'll probably reply to that and cc you as well to merge the threads | 19:56 |
| nathany | nkinkade, ^^ | 19:57 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Cool. Thanks. I'm Cc: you on the draft I'm doing now. It'll be relatively short. | 19:57 |
| nathany | thanks | 19:57 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: are we doing a check-in call today, or are those emails we sent considered sufficient for the week | 20:00 |
| * paroneayea assuming the latter but figures he should double check | 20:00 | |
| nathany | paroneayea, the latter, i just spaced out what day it was yesterday | 20:01 |
| nathany | i'm looking forward to having you and nkinkade in the office next week | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | ah okay cool :) | 20:01 |
| paroneayea | yeah, I'm super stoked | 20:01 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I'm looking forward to meeting JED3 and paroneayea in person, and to touch base in face to face. I think it will be helpful. | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | -in | 20:02 |
| nathany | nkinkade, when do you arrive again? | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | ... helpful, and maybe even fun. | 20:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: This Saturday, and I leave the following Friday, so I'll be in the office Mon-Thu, maybe part of Friday. | 20:03 |
| nathany | awesome; and paroneayea, you'll be in the office monday as well, right? | 20:03 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 20:03 |
| paroneayea | fo sho | 20:03 |
| nathany | cool | 20:03 |
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