Wednesday, 2009-11-04

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nathanynkinkade, i'm finally ordering the backup machine17:33
nkinkadenathany: Are you doing that?17:33
nkinkadeI thought I was supposed to.17:33
nkinkadeMind you, I'm not arguing. :-)17:33
nathanyit was bouncing around, i think17:33
nathanyhave you, yet?17:33
nkinkadeNo, not yet.17:33
nkinkadeIs the enclosure you bought an external one?17:34
nathanyi was going to spend a little more than needed to get one with four hdd bays + 3 5.25" bays17:34
nathanyyeah, but that enclosure was a single drive, $20, for sending the drive to Amazon17:34
nathanyno need to use it if we don't need to17:34
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nkinkadenathany: You sent the enclosure back?17:35
nathanynkinkade, no, we still have it17:36
paroneayeamlinksva: haha, "the macplague" :)17:39
mlinksvaparoneayea, i have in inordinate hatred of apple that goes way beyond faif stuff17:42
nathanynkinkade, is there a reason to get a big primary drive in the box? i assume we can use the existing drives (+the 2TB on my desk) for storage17:43
nkinkadenathany: I think you're right ... we already have a 500G and 1T drive in the existing backup box.17:43
nathanyok17:44
paroneayeamlinksva: me too17:44
paroneayeamlinksva: causes some family squabbles though as my sister works at an apple store and takes my opinions personally :\17:45
nkinkadeI'm no fan of Apple either ... just to chime in.17:45
nkinkadeI find the branch repulsively chic.17:45
nkinkade*brand17:45
* mralex covers the microphones of his apple products...17:45
nkinkade:-)17:46
mlinksvathe retail branches too :)17:46
nathanyI hear Repulse Chic is really big this year at Fashion Week17:46
nkinkadeThey may make some nice and functional products, but I can't even own one just because of the image.17:46
nkinkadehaha17:46
mlinksva+117:47
mlinksvaand they made nextstep look like shit17:47
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nathanynkinkade, the backup machine has a wired network link, right?17:48
nkinkadenathany: Yeah.17:48
nkinkadeProbably best to leave it that way, I think.17:48
nathanyright17:48
nathanyjust making sure i didn't need a wireless NIC17:49
nkinkadewireless is ultra-useful, but nowhere near as robust and fast as a good old Ethernet.17:49
nathanyright17:49
nkinkadeIn fact, I wish every desk in the SF office had an ethernet jack.17:50
nathanysigh17:50
nathanyme too17:50
greg-goh, did I miss the apple bashing? :(17:50
paroneayeaheh17:51
paroneayeaoh we can continue17:51
nkinkadenathany: Have you considered falling back to WEP as another experiment?17:51
paroneayealet me talk about how depressed I am that the FOSS webdev community largely moved over to running apple products over the last few years17:51
nathanynkinkade, i tried yesterday but couldn't get the Macs to connect17:51
greg-gparoneayea: oh goody!17:51
nathanyi'm done screwing with it, if Ted has more problems we're hiring outside help17:52
nkinkadenathany: To get the Macs on the WEP network you may have to put the passphrase in double quotes.17:52
greg-gparoneayea: yeah. And it is also sad to see the number of macs/iphones/ipods at the Ubuntu Developer Summits17:52
nkinkadeIt worked for me when I had that same problem a couple years ago.17:52
mlinksvalong term, i wonder if apple stores will compete with victoria's secret or brookstone(?)17:52
paroneayeasee, nathany and nkinkade are adding technical points to our apple bashing while in a separate conversation thread17:52
nathanynkinkade, oh, right, forgot about that... not sure if my testers tried it17:52
nkinkadeOr maybe it'll be like a 7-11/Taco Bell type thing .... Apple/Brookestone all under one roof.17:53
greg-gparoneayea: oh, is that the wireless issue? a mac problem? :)17:53
nathanynkinkade, i just sent you specs for what i'm planning to order17:53
nathanyfor review17:53
nathanynkinkade, and i think you mean Taco Bell / KFC17:53
nathanyaka "God's Restaurant" ;)17:53
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mralex"the combination apple store taco bell"... that has a ring to it. ;)17:54
mlinksvaaiming for the BK/starbucks/gas combo at 10th&Howard is always a good goal for any company17:54
nkinkademralex: ! haha17:54
greg-gmlinksva: when will the CC offices move there?17:54
nkinkadeI like one ... snack on some 49 cent tacos while you browse the lastest Apple fashions.17:54
mralex49c taco in an apple store? are you crazy? it's a 5.99 burrito or nothing, sir.17:55
nkinkadenathany: But if your and Ted's problems continue I'd try WEP again and get the Apple people to try with double quotes ... it will probably work that way.17:55
nathanynkinkade, right17:56
paroneayeagreg-g: yeah it's pretty depressing.  I just was reading messages on the orgmode mailing list about "horray!  we finally got orgmode to work on the iphone because apple won't let us run emacs because it permits non-signed code execution so we built a separate application, and apple approved it!"17:56
mlinksvagreg-g, other way actually. we're carving an auto ramp into the cc offices (think about the fomer car building the torinio tech summit was in) and there will be a BK, gas station, starbucks and selection of mall stores installed. we just need to knock out the fake japanese restaurant on the ground floor17:56
nathanymlinksva, i think we'll need to, uh, remove a few desks from one end, too17:57
greg-gmlinksva: ha! I always thought that place was a front.17:57
mlinksvanathany, heh17:57
greg-gparoneayea: I would have thought the org-mode population would have beena  little more self-selecting than to be iphone users17:57
mralexgreg-g: it's clearly a mafia front. it would explain the bad food.17:58
mlinksvagreg-g, me too. clearly we need some citizen journalism action on that17:58
greg-gakozak: ^^17:58
akozakright, ill get my team of high school students on that :P17:58
greg-gdone.17:58
nathanyparoneayea, i think the iphone orgmode app is slick, albeit a little hackish; i want something similar for android17:58
nathanyi just want tasks, modifier keys, etc seem like overkill for a mobile device17:59
nkinkadenathany: FreeDOS!17:59
nathanynkinkade, is that an exclamation of glee or despair?17:59
nkinkadeOf surprise that Dell's ship with FreeDOS.18:00
nathanyi wasn't going to pay for a windows license, and their ubuntu offerings seem to have.... well, become very hard to find18:00
nathanyah18:00
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nkinkadeI think I've seen that there, but the momentary surprise was as much as if I had read it was shipping with Haiku.18:01
paroneayeanathany|donut: hm, well I suppose the ui might be nice.  Though I *am* looking forward to running emacs itself on my n900 once it arrives18:01
paroneayeaas overkill as it may be :)18:01
paroneayeaactually I've got a little xmpp bot worked out that I can message on my home machine and it'll spit out my agenda18:01
paroneayeaor notify me of appointments18:01
paroneayeaor can message it tasks to file in orgmode18:02
paroneayeaonly the first of those three works so far though, and hackishly :)18:02
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akozaki wanted the n900 until i realized an unlocked unit will cost close to my monthly rent18:03
paroneayeaheh :)18:03
mlinksvadamn that is cheap rent :)18:04
akozakcan only afford the bare minimum :)18:04
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paroneayeaso I guess cc staff is divided between macplague and macrage, and for this brief period the latter came uncorked18:11
paroneayea*kssssss*18:11
paroneayeabut anyway, lunch now18:11
paroneayeabbiab18:11
akozakhttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Drumbeat/website/wireframes18:18
mlinksvaakozak, a billion people have had that idea, even started working on it. not clear it is a good idea.18:21
akozakmlinksva: yea, it isn't clear what they want to accomplish. but I'm hoping it turns into something less traditional and more experimental (something beyond just newsletters, meetups, and conferences)18:23
mlinksvaoh, i was referring to the specific item up there now "design icons that make privacy easy" ... the moz drumbeat thing sounds good generally18:24
akozakoh haha18:24
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akozakmlinksva: agreed. hopefully that's a placeholder.18:25
mlinksvai guess it is ... just a wireframe mockup. i shouldn't have treated that uri as merely an opaque identifier :)18:26
greg-gthey usually are though18:26
mlinksvaesp ones including the string goatse18:29
mlinksvaassuming we're talking about opaque ids :)18:29
nathanymlinksva, someone from google and microsoft both asked about CC doing privacy @ the social web camp18:29
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nathanyadmittedly it was at lunch and we were all sitting together18:30
mlinksvado you recall who?18:30
nathanybut yeah... i was like, "eh, it's out of scope and it's been tried."18:30
nathanyi could probably look back @ my notes; engineer types18:30
mlinksvanm given that it is out of scope and tired18:31
mlinksvaspeakling of which18:31
mlinksvawas a facilitator there?18:32
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akozakoooh, when did the w3c redesign their website?19:14
paroneayeaoh wow19:27
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paroneayeanathany_, nkinkade, JED3: devcall in 10?21:19
nkinkadeparoneayea: Sure.21:20
nathany_paroneayea, nkinkade, JED3: yes21:22
paroneayeacool21:25
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nkinkadenathany_: JED3: coming?21:35
nathany_nkinkade, we're in the room21:35
nathany_redialing21:35
nkinkadeWhat room?21:35
nathany_er, conference line21:36
nkinkadeparoneayea and I have been chatting for a few minutes.21:36
nathany_we were jamming to smooth jazz21:36
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lotfeyyyhi22:03
lotfeyyyi need cc22:04
paroneayeaoh boy.22:04
paroneayeaokay lotfeyyy, before this happens again22:04
paroneayearead the /topic22:04
paroneayeaare you looking for creative commons licenses?22:04
paroneayeabecause that is what #cc is about22:04
lotfeyyyaha22:06
lotfeyyyok22:06
lotfeyyyim sorey22:06
lotfeyyylool22:06
lotfeyyycredit card  = cc22:07
paroneayeayes, that is the thing that this channel is not about.22:07
lotfeyyywhat is this chanal22:08
lotfeyyytalk about what22:08
paroneayealike I said, creative commons licenses22:08
greg-glotfeyyy: you might want to read the topic again, there is a lot of information in there that is useful.22:09
greg-gURLs for instance22:09
nathany_poor lotfeyyy, reading is hard22:11
lotfeyyyim reading22:12
lotfeyyyu are Author of books22:15
lotfeyyyEdited books22:15
lotfeyyyor Poet22:15
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nkinkadenathany_: Re: Pootle and XLIFF: http://pastebin.com/m43520163 :-(22:54
paroneayeanathany_: out of curiosity, has launchpad been considered for managing translations?22:55
nathany_paroneayea, yes22:55
paroneayeaI suspected as much :)22:55
paroneayeathe verdict was no for some reason?22:55
nathany_it felt a little software oriented for our "community" of translators, and it seemed like we could do better integration with source control on our own22:55
paroneayeaah22:56
paroneayeawell launchpad is agpl now right?  I wonder how tighly bundled the translation component is22:56
paroneayeaactually I am guessing, pretty tightly coupled to the rest :)22:56
nathany_paroneayea, no idea22:57
nathany_but yes, it is agpl onw22:57
nathany_now22:57
nkinkadeparoneayea: This is what we are going to look at soon: http://transifex.org/22:57
nkinkadenathany_: So I have absolutely no idea where to start for that exception in Pootle.22:57
paroneayeaI like the cartoon swearing hashbang22:57
nkinkadeNot shebang?22:58
nathany_nkinkade, i have a mtg now, can you email me the pastebin link and i'll reply?22:58
nkinkadeYup.  Better yet I'll create a ticket. :-)22:58
paroneayeankinkade: I guess they're synonyms22:59
paroneayeahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashbang wikipedia says it and thus it is truth22:59
nkinkadeI like shebang because it has so many meanings.22:59
paroneayeahashpling23:00
paroneayeaI've never heard that one23:00
paroneayeasounds like a onomatopoeia23:00
paroneayea*an23:00
mralex1interrobang! (less computer nerdy, more typography nerdy)23:01
paroneayeasounds like torture23:02
paroneayeaoh god please don't take me to the interrobang room23:02
mlinksvahttp://identi.ca/conversation/618722323:08
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paroneayeamlinksva: ha :)23:43
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