| *** Roderick has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| akozak | nkinkade: ever figure out what all the transfer between a6 and a7 was? | 00:39 |
|---|---|---|
| nkinkade | akozak: Yeah. a7 was proxying somethings to a6 ... | 00:40 |
| akozak | ah | 00:40 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Are you on a6? | 00:45 |
| akozak | no, but i just got a txt about it | 00:46 |
| *** JED3 has quit IRC | 00:56 | |
| *** JED3 has joined #cc | 01:02 | |
| *** rasiq has joined #cc | 01:02 | |
| *** JED3 has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| *** rasiq has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| *** thomg has joined #cc | 02:41 | |
| *** wormsxulla_ has joined #cc | 03:03 | |
| *** wormsxulla has quit IRC | 03:18 | |
| *** nkinkade has left #cc | 03:32 | |
| *** akozak has quit IRC | 04:00 | |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 04:27 | |
| *** thomg has quit IRC | 05:04 | |
| *** thomg has joined #cc | 05:28 | |
| *** Kaetemi has quit IRC | 05:43 | |
| *** wormsxulla_ has quit IRC | 05:49 | |
| *** pktck has quit IRC | 06:05 | |
| *** Bovinity has quit IRC | 07:20 | |
| *** thomg has quit IRC | 07:30 | |
| *** sama has joined #cc | 07:55 | |
| *** wormsxulla has joined #cc | 08:49 | |
| *** michi_ has joined #cc | 10:19 | |
| *** michi_ has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** michi_ has joined #cc | 11:04 | |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 11:14 | |
| *** Kaetemi has joined #cc | 11:15 | |
| *** rasiq has joined #cc | 12:27 | |
| *** michi_ has quit IRC | 12:28 | |
| *** michi_ has joined #cc | 12:35 | |
| *** nkinkade has joined #cc | 12:46 | |
| *** novato_br has joined #cc | 13:09 | |
| *** novato_br has left #cc | 13:09 | |
| *** tvol has joined #cc | 13:11 | |
| *** hacim has joined #cc | 13:23 | |
| *** hacim has left #cc | 13:23 | |
| *** johndbritton_ has joined #cc | 13:41 | |
| *** johndbritton_ is now known as johndbritton | 13:42 | |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 13:58 | |
| *** jgay has joined #cc | 15:24 | |
| *** akozak has joined #cc | 15:25 | |
| paroneayea | mornin (CC) | 15:33 |
| *** ianweller is now known as IANWELLER | 15:34 | |
| akozak | morning | 15:34 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: do you know what package the legalcode html files are kept in? | 15:39 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: How do you mean package? | 15:43 |
| paroneayea | I mean, where are they checked in | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | assuming they are ;p | 15:45 |
| paroneayea | I'm not sure the engine serves them, as I don't see a view in the old code that does... I only see a view for "PlainLegalCode", which looks like it actually does a GET request to the url for the legalcode and strips out some elements | 15:46 |
| paroneayea | so I don't know | 15:46 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: http://code.creativecommons.org/viewsvn/ccwordpress/branches/production/www/legalcode/ | 15:47 |
| *** rasiq has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| paroneayea | oic | 15:47 |
| nkinkade | What? Isn't it *obvious* that they would be in ccwordpress? ;-) | 15:47 |
| paroneayea | :) | 15:48 |
| paroneayea | alright, well not sure what to do with this then | 15:48 |
| paroneayea | I guess I'll wait till nathan's available to work on that and just get to other pieces | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: No, cc.engine doesn't serve them. | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | They are just static HTML files. | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | ok | 15:50 |
| nkinkade | cc.engine only handles the deeds, not the legalcode. | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | where is the routing set up for all those legalcode urls then? | 15:50 |
| nkinkade | But actually, on the live site, even the Deeds are just static HTML files ... just generated by cc.engine using mkdeeds. | 15:50 |
| paroneayea | in wordpress? | 15:50 |
| nkinkade | No, in the Apache vhost config. | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | yikes | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | that must be a long config file | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | We have quite a few rules, but there are only a couple that handle the Deeds. | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | what server is it on? I'd like to look at it | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | a5 | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | ok, know the path to the conf file? | 15:51 |
| nkinkade | /var/www/creativecommons.org/conf/creativecommons.conf | 15:51 |
| paroneayea | thx | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | oic: | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | RewriteRule ^/licenses/(.*)/([0-9]\.[0-9])/legalcode$ /legalcode/$1_$2.html [L] | 15:52 |
| paroneayea | neat | 15:52 |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 16:06 | |
| *** sama has quit IRC | 16:12 | |
| * paulproteus waves gently | 16:14 | |
| *** sparr has quit IRC | 16:15 | |
| nkinkade | akozak: What text editors are there on Mac? | 16:17 |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: emacs | 16:23 |
| nkinkade | I was thinking more a GUI editor. | 16:23 |
| nkinkade | Does a graphical text editor come stock with Mac? | 16:24 |
| nkinkade | paroneayea: I'm going to take down code.creativecommons.org for a few minutes ... are you actively committing anything? | 16:26 |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 16:31 | |
| paroneayea | nkinkade: nope | 16:35 |
| nkinkade | I took it down anyway, but it's back up. :-) | 16:35 |
| *** nkinkade has quit IRC | 16:41 | |
| *** michi_ has quit IRC | 16:48 | |
| *** mralex has joined #cc | 16:49 | |
| *** sparr has joined #cc | 17:02 | |
| *** thomg has joined #cc | 17:03 | |
| *** nkinkade has joined #cc | 17:05 | |
| *** JED3 has joined #cc | 17:09 | |
| *** thomg has quit IRC | 17:13 | |
| *** gamer17430 has joined #cc | 17:14 | |
| *** gamer17430 has quit IRC | 17:14 | |
| *** wormsxulla has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** odemia_ has quit IRC | 17:33 | |
| *** Odemia has joined #cc | 17:33 | |
| *** pktck has joined #cc | 17:45 | |
| akozak | nkinkade: I have no idea, ask mralex :) | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | akozak: I forgot that you use Ubuntu. | 17:48 |
| mralex | pardon? | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | mralex: It was something I asked earlier. I was asking if Mac ships with a graphical text editor. | 17:48 |
| mralex | nkinkade: yes. TextEdit. | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Is it worth a damn? | 17:48 |
| nkinkade | But in any case, that's good info. Thanks. | 17:49 |
| mralex | nkinkade: it's akin to Wordpad on windows. better than that, but not by a whole lot. | 17:49 |
| nkinkade | mralex: What do you use? | 17:49 |
| mralex | nkinkade: TextMate, for writing code | 17:50 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: there is an emacs written in native mac ui | 17:50 |
| mralex | (vim if i'm in a terminal and want something quick, or over ssh) | 17:50 |
| mralex | yeah, there are a few native EMACSEN | 17:51 |
| mralex | probably some native gui vim too | 17:51 |
| mralex | there's also BBEdit, Coda, TextWrangler, and a host of others. | 17:52 |
| JED3 | yeah, I am using the gnu version, but aquamacs is good for those who are more comfortable with the conventional Apple key bindings | 17:52 |
| nkinkade | I should try to learn emacs one of these days, but I never have a strong motivation to do it since vi[m] comes preinstalled on every Unix-like box I've ever used, and I know it already. | 17:52 |
| akozak | i never got past nano :( | 17:52 |
| mralex | JED was my first linux editor... | 17:53 |
| mralex | or joe... i forget. | 17:53 |
| *** pktck_ has joined #cc | 17:54 | |
| *** wormsxulla has joined #cc | 18:01 | |
| *** pktck has quit IRC | 18:05 | |
| JavaWoman | nkinkade I rather like Editra - can be portable and cross-platform, too (have it on my USB stick) | 18:12 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. I hadn't heard of that one. I don't use Mac OS personally, but was asking earlier because I wanted to tell a Mac user what the name of the text editor was that ships with Mac. | 18:13 |
| JavaWoman | nkinkade: I have a dual-boot MacBook, use mostly Mandriva on it, only occasionally OS X :) | 18:14 |
| mralex | Mandriva is still around? | 18:14 |
| JavaWoman | nkinkade: what hips with Mac is indeed TextEdit | 18:15 |
| JavaWoman | yes, it's around - I tested various distros from Live CDs and this what best worked ot of the box on my MacBook hardware | 18:15 |
| mralex | interesting | 18:16 |
| JavaWoman | :) | 18:17 |
| mralex | the last time i used it, it was still called Mandrake, and it was the only one that worked out of the box on my Ti PowerBook ;) | 18:17 |
| mralex | Debian PPC was kinda wonky at the time | 18:17 |
| JavaWoman | :) but that was a whiel ago... | 18:17 |
| JavaWoman | using Geany as my main editor on Mandriva. I like trying out different editors :) pretty impressed with that so far | 18:18 |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 18:24 | |
| *** pktck has joined #cc | 18:33 | |
| *** balleyne has joined #cc | 18:36 | |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 18:37 | |
| *** tvol has quit IRC | 19:06 | |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 19:16 | |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 19:17 | |
| *** Odemia has quit IRC | 19:33 | |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 19:39 | |
| *** Odemia has joined #cc | 19:40 | |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 20:08 | |
| *** jgay has quit IRC | 20:10 | |
| *** JED3 has quit IRC | 20:40 | |
| *** pktck has joined #cc | 20:49 | |
| *** pktck has quit IRC | 20:59 | |
| *** balleyne has quit IRC | 21:02 | |
| *** johndbritton has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| *** JED3 has joined #cc | 21:09 | |
| *** johndoigiii has joined #cc | 21:13 | |
| *** IANWELLER is now known as ianweller | 21:16 | |
| *** johndoigiii_ has joined #cc | 21:17 | |
| *** JED3 has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| akozak | hmm, haven't seen the campaign thermometer go up in a while :( | 21:22 |
| *** johndoigiii has quit IRC | 21:26 | |
| *** techitchdox has joined #cc | 21:38 | |
| *** techitchdox has left #cc | 21:38 | |
| *** [mharrison] has joined #cc | 22:04 | |
| *** JoiIto has joined #cc | 22:14 | |
| johndoigiii_ | paroneayea: ping | 22:20 |
| *** johndoigiii_ is now known as JED3 | 22:20 | |
| paroneayea | JED3: pong | 22:21 |
| JED3 | hi, quick q, we aren't using mysql for rdf storing in cc.license are we? | 22:21 |
| paroneayea | nope | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | not in the new one at least | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | not in the old one either afaik | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | old one used xml files bound together with xslt to generate rdf | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | new one just has rdf files | 22:22 |
| JED3 | yeah you're right, wasn't sure if your devel included any rdf persistence, i guess that wouldn't be required since the rdf is all file based eh? | 22:22 |
| JED3 | yeah | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | yeah | 22:22 |
| JED3 | sigh, looking for example of using mysql as a triple store using rdflib | 22:24 |
| paroneayea | curious, what for? | 22:24 |
| JED3 | a feature we'll be including in CC Network soon | 22:25 |
| paroneayea | :o | 22:27 |
| JED3 | http://teamspace.creativecommons.org/CC_Network/Webcitation_Specification | 22:27 |
| akozak | JED3: how does tracking reuse work? | 22:28 |
| JED3 | akozak: pingback/trackback use | 22:30 |
| akozak | i never really understood pingback/trackbacks | 22:31 |
| akozak | especially in the context of rdfa | 22:31 |
| akozak | wouldnt network only be able to track reuses where someone has actually clicked on the license? | 22:31 |
| akozak | or rather, clicked on the cc network url in the attribution field | 22:35 |
| JED3 | our rdfa story is that when someone cites a work, we scrape and store the rdfa for the URI so that there is an affirmation that a work was licensed under a specific license at a specific date | 22:35 |
| JED3 | but thats not a reuse | 22:35 |
| akozak | right, but that depends on users citing the work in cc network right? | 22:36 |
| JED3 | akozak: the reusers will also be user generated, meaning people may manually submit resuses of a cited work | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | ;o | 22:36 |
| paroneayea | neat | 22:36 |
| akozak | JED3: that maeks sense, I don't quite get how tracking reuse works though, unless it's tracking reuses cited on cc network... then i totally get it. i don't understand how cc network could discover reuses | 22:38 |
| akozak | im mostly asking because ahrash and i have been talking a lot about this | 22:38 |
| akozak | and it would be really useful to our projects if we had a way of discovering reuses of works | 22:38 |
| JED3 | the trackback/pingback is implemented by software, for instance in wordpress if you supply a pingback url when creating a blog entry, wordpress will ping that url once you publish and if that url implements the trackback protocol then some sort of action is made on the author's end, and in our case it would be adding a new reuse record for a citation | 22:38 |
| JED3 | does that make sense? | 22:38 |
| akozak | ah right. but if someone just posted a reuse with the right rdfa, that alone wouldnt be enough to establish a reuse on cc network | 22:39 |
| akozak | just posted in html* | 22:39 |
| JED3 | akozak: correct | 22:39 |
| *** JoiIto has quit IRC | 22:40 | |
| akozak | so what you're trying to do is allow cc network to detect pingback/trackbacks from existing software like wordpress that are already made make those notifications? | 22:40 |
| akozak | made to make* | 22:40 |
| akozak | oh I see, there's a pingback specification... | 22:42 |
| akozak | thanks JED3, very helpful :) | 22:44 |
| akozak | Part of student journalism 2.0 is that we wanted to help students see how and where their work gets reused (if at all), and part of that might involve cc network | 22:44 |
| JED3 | hehe yeah I guess i should have mentioned that the pingpack is an established protocol with a formal specification :) | 22:45 |
| akozak | it's good to know. technically cc network is tracking reuses published on software that have implemented pingback :) | 22:46 |
| JED3 | yes, which most blog engines and cms's will do nowadays | 22:46 |
| akozak | yea of course, i just don't want to tell the students that this tracks any reuse anywhere | 22:47 |
| akozak | (if we use it) | 22:47 |
| akozak | hmm, this page is really informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkback | 22:48 |
| nkinkade | akozak: You in the office? | 23:01 |
| nkinkade | If so, could you tell me the office IP ... again. :-) | 23:01 |
| akozak | nkinkade: yea one sec | 23:02 |
| akozak | 71.134.235.231 | 23:02 |
| *** ianwelle1 has joined #cc | 23:03 | |
| *** ianweller has quit IRC | 23:04 | |
| *** ianwelle1 is now known as ianweller | 23:04 | |
| nkinkade | akozak: Hmm. The IP seems okay, but I'm getting a connection refused. Can you SSH to 10.0.2.10? | 23:06 |
| nkinkade | The machine may have crashed .... one of the discs got nearly filled up. | 23:06 |
| akozak | sure one sec | 23:07 |
| akozak | works | 23:07 |
| akozak | I don't have access though... | 23:08 |
| *** thomg has joined #cc | 23:09 | |
| mralex | nkinkade: is our bbpress install using svnmerge? | 23:46 |
| nkinkade | mralex: yeah. | 23:46 |
| akozak | router going down in a couple minutes | 23:48 |
| *** mralex2 has joined #cc | 23:50 | |
| *** akozak_ has joined #cc | 23:51 | |
| akozak_ | success | 23:51 |
| akozak_ | uh oh | 23:52 |
| akozak_ | what have i done | 23:52 |
| akozak_ | (letting the days go by...) | 23:52 |
| nkinkade | akozak_: You there? | 23:53 |
| akozak_ | yesa | 23:54 |
| akozak_ | yes | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Reboot completed okay? | 23:54 |
| akozak_ | seems so | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | What's the IP now? | 23:54 |
| *** akozak has quit IRC | 23:54 | |
| akozak_ | NOW its completed ok :P | 23:54 |
| *** akozak_ is now known as akozak | 23:54 | |
| akozak | 71.134.254.182 | 23:54 |
| nkinkade | Damn dynamic IP addresses! | 23:55 |
| akozak | yea for reals | 23:55 |
| akozak | what's with that | 23:55 |
| nkinkade | A static IP is expensive with our provider, I think??? | 23:56 |
| nkinkade | On the bright side I'm in the backup machine now ... on the dark side I have no idea why the router failed like that. | 23:56 |
| akozak | hmmm | 23:57 |
| akozak | you just couldn't ssh into it? | 23:57 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Yeah. I couldn't SSH even though the IP was right. After the reboot I can. | 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!