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| nathany | nkinkade, did you already add lithuanian to ccsearch on pootle? | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I did, but I think I did it wrong. | 16:48 |
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| nkinkade | I was waiting for you to show up in here so that I could verify. | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | :-) | 16:48 |
| nathany | lol | 16:48 |
| nkinkade | I added it via the Pootle admin interface, but that seemed wrong immediately after doing it. | 16:49 |
| nathany | nkinkade, one second, looking | 16:49 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, i'm not sure it's inherently wrong, but it does look like the template PO files haven't been updated... | 16:50 |
| nathany | let me take a look at that | 16:50 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I went to Admin -> Projects -> ccsearch, then selected Lithuanian from the dropdown at the bottom of the page and clicked "Add language" | 16:50 |
| nathany | right | 16:50 |
| nathany | that should work if the POT template is up to date (at least for ccsearch) | 16:50 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i just updated the POT template | 16:56 |
| nathany | i think you should be able to either do "update" in lithuanian or recreate it | 16:56 |
| nkinkade | nathany: What's the process for that? bin/sync? | 16:56 |
| nathany | no | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | I couldn't find a way to remove a language from a project in Pootle, so hopefully update works. | 16:57 |
| nathany | for updating? | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, for updating a POT file. | 16:57 |
| nathany | i thought there was an "update" in the web interface | 16:57 |
| nathany | am I a global admin? | 16:57 |
| nathany | nkinkade, nevermind | 16:58 |
| nathany | looks like it picked it up on its own | 16:58 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I ran the update in the web interface. | 16:58 |
| nathany | oh | 16:58 |
| nathany | lol | 16:58 |
| nathany | looks like it worked :) | 16:58 |
| nathany | you want to reply to that email? | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Admin -> Projects -> ccsearch ... then check Lithuanian and click "Update languages" | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Is that option not in your interface? | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | I'll reply to the email. | 16:59 |
| nathany | Where is this mythical "Admin" link you speak of? ;) | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | haha | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | In the header once you are logged in. | 16:59 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you're not a site admin? | 17:00 |
| nathany | nope, not there for me | 17:00 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think making someone a site admin is a matter of manipulating the sqlite database. | 17:01 |
| nkinkade | I'll enable your account now. | 17:01 |
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| nathany | thanks | 17:01 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 17:02 |
| nkinkade | nathany: See if the Admin link is there for you now. | 17:07 |
| nkinkade | Maybe you'll have to log out and back in, or maybe I'll even have to restart Pootle. | 17:07 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i tried to log out and now http://translate.creativecommons.org/ seems to be a directory listing | 17:08 |
| nathany | nevermind | 17:08 |
| nathany | it's back | 17:08 |
| nathany | of course, logging out seems broken | 17:08 |
| nathany | sigh | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | Logout works okay for me, though I have seen the behavior you are talking about. | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | Sometimes it feels like Pootle is pure match sticks and chewing gum. | 17:09 |
| nathany | lol | 17:09 |
| nkinkade | I haven't encountered such a poorly conceived user interface in a long time. | 17:09 |
| nathany | nkinkade, trying to log in, i get a 404 | 17:09 |
| nathany | for http://translate.creativecommons.org/login.html | 17:09 |
| nathany | nevermind, i have more important things to deal with | 17:10 |
| nathany | (ie, anything at all) | 17:10 |
| nathany | hopefully we can clear some time soon to look @ transifex | 17:10 |
| paroneayea | nathany: http://dpaste.com/109818/ | 17:21 |
| paroneayea | so old license system had a .rdf() method that spit that out | 17:21 |
| paroneayea | should I add a rdf() method that does the same to cc.license? | 17:21 |
| nathany | paroneayea, yeah, we should be able to get the RDF-XML out for a license... | 17:23 |
| nathany | we should also add an HTML comment above that one that says "this is deprecated and dumb. use the RDFa." | 17:23 |
| nathany | (well, perhaps the language could use some finesse ;) ) | 17:23 |
| paroneayea | heh :) | 17:23 |
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| JED3 | nkinkade: ping | 18:14 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Hi. | 18:14 |
| JED3 | hey, trying to get to the bottom of these missing CC Network invites | 18:15 |
| JED3 | can you tell me when a contribution in civi that is marked as complete *not* have a receipt_date associated with it? | 18:16 |
| JED3 | ^ nkinkade | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | JED3: When someone enters the contribution manually, for example. | 18:18 |
| nkinkade | Sometimes Allison and Melissa enter contributions manually because they receive a check, or because it's something internal. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | It also happened for around 90 people when we first launched because the new method didn't have the ability to send receipts. | 18:19 |
| nkinkade | It does now, and in fact not 5 minutes a I ran a new script to send receipts to the 90 people who hadn't received them and updated the database. | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | JED3: All that aside, receipt_date is probably not the field to use. | 18:20 |
| nkinkade | Whether they got mailed a receipt shouldn't be a requisite for membership in the CC Network. | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | (or the criteria that determines it) | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | Better to simply make sure the contribution_status_id is 1 and then use the receive_date for dating purposes. | 18:21 |
| nkinkade | JED3: ^^ | 18:21 |
| JED3 | yeah, the reasoning behind using receipt_date was to only fetch the contributions that completed for the day | 18:24 |
| JED3 | i realize thats its not optimal but the easiest available attribute I could base that logic on | 18:24 |
| JED3 | plus, its always been reliant on that field, so I figured that itd be safe to leave it that way | 18:25 |
| JED3 | nkinkade: these contributions without receipt_dates are from paypal transactions | 18:25 |
| JED3 | only it only happened the 5th through the 7th | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | JED3: Not necessarily. | 18:26 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I think receive_date is a better field and should always have a value. | 18:26 |
| JED3 | so receive_date + contribution_status_id = 1 will work just fine? | 18:28 |
| mralex | nkinkade: was there any conclusion to the receipt= discussion for donations/oneclick, or did that go on-hold until i got back? | 18:30 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I changed the links on /donate, but didn't do anything for the "Choose your own amount" box, or for PCPs, etc. | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | I created a ticket and assigned it to you a week or so ago ... those should be easy to fix, right? | 18:35 |
| mralex | nkinkade: right | 18:35 |
| nkinkade | JED3: I think receive_date + contribution_status_id = 1 will be fine. | 18:36 |
| mralex | nkinkade: did you go with different receipt ids for different levels? | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | mralex: No ... just using receipt ID 20. Melissa never replied to the email. | 18:36 |
| nkinkade | The option is there should she want to do it. | 18:36 |
| mralex | nkinkade: ok | 18:37 |
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| johndbritton | im curious about using an image under CC-BY-SA. I'm going to create a work under CC-BY-NC-SA and would like to include the image. I'm wondering if the image being reproduced exactly constitutes a derivative work. | 18:49 |
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| greg-g | johndbritton: if you are just including the image in a collection, not modifying the image, then you don't need to license the entire work as BY-SA (ie: you can have it as BY-NC-SA). The individual images are still available under their original licenses, but the work as a whole is BY-NC-SA | 19:47 |
| johndbritton | greg-g: I'm wondering specifically about the text surrounding the image, we're going to be using maps from open street maps | 19:47 |
| greg-g | johndbritton: I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the text surrounding the time | 19:48 |
| greg-g | erm, image, not time | 19:48 |
| johndbritton | we're developing a textbook on GIS and want to use images from OSM | 19:48 |
| johndbritton | so it is likely that the text will reference the images | 19:49 |
| johndbritton | but the images could be swapped for other maps, say for example we had two maps of boston | 19:49 |
| johndbritton | either would work, and we're not getting the fact that boston is on the water from OSM... it's a known fact that OSM illustrates | 19:49 |
| greg-g | oh, if you are just referencing the images in the text, that is totally fine. As long as you aren't changing the actual image you don't need to worry | 19:50 |
| johndbritton | excellent | 19:50 |
| johndbritton | so we just have to make it known that the images are CC-BY-SA | 19:50 |
| johndbritton | but our book can be CC-BY-NC-SA | 19:50 |
| greg-g | correct | 19:51 |
| johndbritton | Thanks greg-g | 19:52 |
| greg-g | suggested citation "Source: OpenStreetMap (url to image/OSM) Available under a CC BY-SA license, http://creativecommons/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" | 19:52 |
| greg-g | johndbritton: no prob | 19:52 |
| johndbritton | we're you at Open Ed Conf? | 19:53 |
| greg-g | johndbritton: I was not, but I work with Open.Michigan, which had a few people at the conference (Ted Hanss, Garin Fons, Piet Kleymeer, Chuck Severance) | 19:55 |
| johndbritton | Yeah, I met Garin at Open Everything in NYC and again out in Vancouver | 19:55 |
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| greg-g | ah yeah, we're doing an event on the 30th here in Ann Arbor, are you doing one in NYC (are you from there or somewhere else?) | 19:58 |
| johndbritton | I organized Open Everything in HK last December and in NYC over the summer. I was planning to organize an event in SF that weekend, but I haven't been able to find a location | 20:00 |
| akozak | johndbritton: nice to hear from you again :) | 20:12 |
| johndbritton | oh hey there alex | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | nathany: looks like license.current_version used to return the actual object of the current license | 20:14 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons and an all round good egg | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | whereas currently it just returns '3.0' | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | or, whatever | 20:14 |
| akozak | johndbritton: how's the consulting going? | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | do we want something similar to teh old functionality, in maybe another attribute name | 20:14 |
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| nathany | paroneayea, ok; i don't remember where that's used | 20:14 |
| nathany | (the old functionality) | 20:14 |
| nathany | oh, to determine if its been superseded? | 20:15 |
| johndbritton | going well, don't have too much time for it with the full time at FWK though | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | not to determine, as that's a separate attribute, .superseded | 20:15 |
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| paroneayea | but, for example, in the templates: | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | tal:content="license/current_version/uri" | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | I could construct the current_version in the view pretty easily | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | but I just wanted to see if you'd prefer it to be a License method/attribute | 20:16 |
| nathany | so right now there's a .current_version on the new License object that just returns the version number? | 20:17 |
| paroneayea | correct | 20:17 |
| nathany | is that actually used anywhere? | 20:17 |
| nathany | (i'd assume cc.license would be the place it's used, if anywhere) | 20:17 |
| nathany | anyway, that seems like a not-that-useful attribute (just the version number) | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | yeah, that's what I was thinking | 20:18 |
| nathany | so i'd say let's: | 20:18 |
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| nathany | a) replace it with a version that returns a License object | 20:18 |
| nathany | b) run the test suite | 20:18 |
| nathany | c) add a new test that asserts it's returning a License object so we can make sure we don't change it in the future without thinking abou tit | 20:18 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ok, sounds good, thx | 20:19 |
| nathany | paroneayea, does that make sense to you? | 20:19 |
| paroneayea | yep :) | 20:19 |
| paroneayea | and, obviously I already counted my chickens before they hatched late last week but | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | I thiiiiink that's the last attribute to update to get the deeds to render | 20:20 |
| paroneayea | but, counting unhatched chickens again I guess :x | 20:20 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: should the CC Network join buttons on support.creativecommons.org/join/ also include the receipt querystring? (I'm guessing yes) | 20:53 |
| JED3 | http://www.amazon.com/Dive-Into-Python-Mark-Pilgrim/dp/1441413022 | 20:53 |
| JED3 | non-Apress publication of DIP | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I think you're probably right, but we should check with nathany | 20:54 |
| nathany | yes | 20:54 |
| nkinkade | nathany created a special template for CC Network, but maybe it's only working for /a/renew? | 20:55 |
| nathany | mralex, ^^ | 20:55 |
| * mralex nods | 20:55 | |
| nathany | mralex, i was also meaning to ask you if you had an SVG version of the acawiki header graphic | 20:55 |
| nathany | trying to get pieces in place to wrap up some bugs/revs there | 20:55 |
| mralex | nathany: i think so. you pinged me about that ebfore, right? i'll look into it. | 20:55 |
| nathany | mralex, yes, i sent an email but it was pre-campaign launch so i assumed it got buried | 20:56 |
| mralex | nathany: sent | 21:10 |
| nathany | thanks, mralex | 21:10 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons and an all round good egg | 21:20 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: What is done-cbb status for issues? | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Do you have any idea why a6 might be pushing huge amounts of data to a7? | 22:08 |
| paroneayea | if I try running sparql queries that do something like | 22:09 |
| paroneayea | ?license rdf:type cc:License . | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | ?license cc:identifier 'by' | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | or, whatever | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | it seems to take several minutes | 22:10 |
| paroneayea | as opposed to if I do the second filtering by hand | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | not sure why that is. | 22:11 |
| mralex | nkinkade: "could be better"? I dunno what the "cbb" is. Done seemed better than Resolved for this. | 22:13 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yeah, it seems that you're right. I'm going to change it to resolved, I think, if you don't mind. | 22:14 |
| mralex | sure | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | You've done everything we needed for that ticket. | 22:15 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 22:15 |
| nathany | nkinkade, is it a6 that's responsible for that overage? | 22:17 |
| nathany | (traffic between a6 and a7, that is) | 22:17 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm not sure, but I was poking around. | 22:17 |
| nathany | ah | 22:17 |
| nathany | i did clone our MW repository a couple times, @ about 3G each, over the past few days | 22:18 |
| nathany | don't know if that's it...? | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | nathany: For the past 5 or 10 minutes there is data going from a6 to a7 that fluctuates from between 1Mb/sec to 10Mb/sec. | 22:18 |
| nathany | wtf? | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | There are some stats scripts running on a6 right now ... don't know if they are cause traffic?? | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus' scripts | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | metrics | 22:19 |
| nathany | right | 22:19 |
| nathany | *maybe*... but that would be a little weird | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Could it have anything at all to do with discoverEd? | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | Just checking. | 22:20 |
| nathany | that's what i was trying to think about | 22:20 |
| akozak | nkinkade: no idea | 22:20 |
| akozak | not running a crawl or anything | 22:20 |
| nkinkade | akozak: Cool ... just checking to see if you were doing something you thought might cause that. | 22:20 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: you there? | 22:48 |
| paroneayea | http://dpaste.com/109956/ | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | just curious if you might know why that second query is so much slower | 22:49 |
| paroneayea | when it's only adding a query on its rdf:type | 22:49 |
| nathany | paroneayea, yeah, let me look | 22:49 |
| nathany | paroneayea, i don't know off the top of my head | 22:50 |
| nathany | i wonder if there's something that's causing it to run both queries independently and then union them | 22:50 |
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| nathany | i forget if the sparql primer has any guidance on this | 22:51 |
| nathany | er, not union... disjunction? i forget | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | well, I know what you mean | 22:52 |
| paroneayea | yeah I dunno. even running both queries independently | 22:53 |
| paroneayea | takes only a segment of the time | 22:53 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Looks like the traffic from a6 -> a7 is a fucked up mixture of ProxyPass and msnbot. | 23:08 |
| nathany | ugh | 23:08 |
| nathany | what were we trying to maintain? | 23:08 |
| nkinkade | Asheesh has some crazy rules in the apache config for labs. | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | Mine shouldn't cause much traffic. | 23:09 |
| nathany | or is our proxypass configuration just wrong? | 23:09 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: What's up with that stuff? | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | My crawling scripts. | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | They just do about 20K web requests every day. | 23:09 |
| nathany | oh, right, we moved labs but didn't want to muck with moving the demos? (maybe?) | 23:09 |
| paulproteus | That should be ca. 10MB of traffic. | 23:09 |
| nathany | paulproteus, we've moved on from that | 23:09 |
| * paulproteus nods, okay | 23:09 | |
| nkinkade | msbot is asking a7 for URLs like: GET /~paulproteus/entrans/list.php?category=all&flt=3&flt=2&flt=4&edit_all=yes&flt=3&flt=1&flt=2&flt=1&page=2&flt=2&flt=2&flt=2 HTTP/1.1\r\n | 23:09 |
| * paulproteus blinks. | 23:09 | |
| paulproteus | entrans - isn't that an alternative to Pootle etc. | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | Which are getting proxied to a6. | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | I think it's what laconi.ca used to use. | 23:10 |
| nathany | right | 23:10 |
| paulproteus | We don't need it; I was experimenting with it. | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | And msn bot is asking for URLs like that again and again. | 23:10 |
| nkinkade | It's the only thing I can find that could account for anywhere from 500Kb/sec to 10Mb/sec of transfer from a6 -> a7 for at least the past hour. | 23:11 |
| nathany | nkinkade, is the bandwidth overage on a6 or a7? | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | nathany: on a7 | 23:11 |
| nathany | also, is there anything we actually care about on ~paulproteus on there? | 23:11 |
| nkinkade | On a7 ~paulproteus doesn't exists, but just gets proxied to a6. | 23:11 |
| nathany | oh jesus | 23:12 |
| nathany | right | 23:12 |
| nathany | that's sounding familiar now | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | The fact that msbot is hitting that stuff must mean the URL is published somewhere. | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | Likely on labs. | 23:12 |
| nathany | right | 23:12 |
| nathany | can we start blocking msnbot in the short term? | 23:12 |
| nathany | s/start/start by/ | 23:12 |
| nkinkade | The first thing we should do is just disable the proxy rule. | 23:12 |
| nathany | i'm trying to remember why we put it in place in the first place | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Is there any reason that this rule still needs to be in place on a7: | 23:13 |
| nkinkade | http://pastebin.com/d37feede1 | 23:14 |
| nathany | i wonder if we're using labs.cc.org as the hostname for stats dumps? | 23:14 |
| paulproteus | No | 23:14 |
| paulproteus | You should make those URLs 404 or something. | 23:14 |
| nathany | sigh | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | paulproteus: Cool. Thanks. | 23:14 |
| nkinkade | For now I'm going to remove those proxy configs for labs on a7. | 23:14 |
| nathany | i'm guessing we're using labs/~paulproteus/eggs for something | 23:15 |
| nathany | i wonder about labs/~paulprotues/stats | 23:15 |
| nathany | the former we should just change the reference in our builduot | 23:15 |
| nathany | buildout | 23:16 |
| nathany | the latter... hrm | 23:16 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm a bit lost regarding what you just wrote. | 23:17 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i was looking @ what's in paulproteus's public_html | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | Though commenting out the proxypass rule for labs on a7 just cut all the traffic between a6 and a7. | 23:18 |
| nathany | stats are in there, and that strikes me as the one thing we may have put the proxy_pass in place to support http://labs.creativecommons.org/~paulproteus/stats/ | 23:18 |
| nathany | after we moved stats from a7 to a6 | 23:18 |
| nathany | paulproteus, does this ring a bell? | 23:18 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/License_statistics#Raw_search_engine_query_data | 23:20 |
| nathany | got it | 23:20 |
| nathany | i don't think i'm able to think straight about this at the moment | 23:20 |
| nkinkade | There are references to ~paulproteus/* all in there. | 23:20 |
| nathany | i *think* we should probably... ugh | 23:21 |
| nathany | not sure | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I'm not either, as it's getting on to 7:30PM here. | 23:21 |
| nathany | maybe just clearing out things like entrans and putting the proxypass back in place is enough? | 23:21 |
| nathany | nkinkade, can you make yourself a note to ping me about this tomorrow when we're both rested? | 23:21 |
| nkinkade | But I'll think of some temporary solution like maybe just a temporary robots.txt file | 23:21 |
| nathany | feel free to leave the proxypass disabled for the time being, and/or do the robots.txt | 23:22 |
| nathany | we'll revisit tomorrow | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Cool. | 23:22 |
| nkinkade | I'll send us both a note to follow up on this tomorrow. | 23:22 |
| nathany | thanks | 23:23 |
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| paulproteus | can't talk right now, will talk more around 8 | 23:24 |
| paulproteus | (pm my time) | 23:24 |
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