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| JavaWoman | the CreativeCommons forum now has a thread about "how to get pregnant", and comments on other threads with the same link | 08:10 |
| JavaWoman | is there no moderation during the weekend? is there moderation at all? | 08:10 |
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| nathany | nkinkade: we were using openwrt, right? | 15:21 |
| nathany | (for the router) | 15:21 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Yeah. | 15:29 |
| nathany | nkinkade, do you remember where the pppoe stuff was configured on there? | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | Did the new router arrive? | 15:30 |
| nathany | yeah, a week ago | 15:30 |
| nathany | i just figured i'd set it up so i can take the power cord back i stole from my external display to power the sonicwall | 15:30 |
| nathany | (since i'm the only one in the office at the moment | 15:30 |
| nkinkade | nathany: /etc/config/network | 15:30 |
| nathany | nkinkade, ok, just flashed it | 15:36 |
| nathany | (and went away for a second, so didn't see anything you wrote after /etc/config/network) | 15:36 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I didn't write anything after that. :-) | 15:36 |
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| nkinkade | Does this mean that we are back up and running on OpenWRT and the Sonicwall is turned off? | 15:36 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, sigh... i tried to use the web interface to configure pppoe, doesn't seem to have come back from "applying the change" | 15:46 |
| nathany | maybe it's waiting for it to timeout since it's not connected yet? | 15:46 |
| nkinkade | Hmm. | 15:46 |
| nathany | ugh | 15:46 |
| nathany | oh well, people are starting to arrive, so i guess i won't get it in place today | 15:47 |
| nkinkade | Configuring the router by hand in /etc/config is really not too hard ... and not all that diff. from Debian's /etc/network/interfaces | 15:47 |
| nathany | nkinkade, i didn't see anything there (or in the docs) that indicated how to enter pppoe info | 15:47 |
| nkinkade | I think most of the files should be commented pretty well too. | 15:47 |
| nathany | the only docs are in the frighteningly named "oldwiki" and refer to using uci or nvram | 15:47 |
| nathany | for pppoe | 15:47 |
| nathany | (the ones that i found, at least) | 15:48 |
| nkinkade | http://kamikaze.openwrt.org/docs/openwrt.html#x1-50001.1.2 | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | nathany: ^^ is that the doc you found? | 15:49 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I'm not sure what the "oldwiki" stuff is all about. | 15:49 |
| nathany | thanks | 15:51 |
| nathany | nkinkade, it seems to have done the right thing in the conf file | 15:54 |
| nathany | i'm going to try and put it in place... | 15:54 |
| nathany | maybe be back in a second :) | 15:54 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, ping | 16:03 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Hi. | 16:04 |
| nathany | nkinkade, iirc we had to generate wep keys from our passphrase, right? | 16:04 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I think not. I thought you could just enter it right into the config file. | 16:05 |
| nathany | nkinkade, it keeps complaining that it couldn't set the key | 16:05 |
| nathany | when i do networking restart | 16:05 |
| nathany | (btw, the one thing the web interface didn't do was set up chap secrets) | 16:05 |
| nathany | nkinkade, brb, going to restart networking again, trying this | 16:06 |
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| nkinkade | Did that do it? | 16:06 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: Myabe this is a good time to try WPA again? | 16:07 |
| nathany_ | well it let me restart the network w/o complaining | 16:07 |
| nathany_ | still trying to get it to do wifi correctly | 16:07 |
| nathany_ | nkinkade, do you remember why we stopped using it? | 16:08 |
| nkinkade | nathany_: Because people were randomly getting dropped from the network. | 16:08 |
| nkinkade | Things seemed stable with WEP. But this is a new version of OpenWRT, so maybe the driver is more stable or something. | 16:08 |
| nathany_ | ok | 16:08 |
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| nathany__ | nkinkade, i'm not finding good docs on the passphrase option | 16:12 |
| nkinkade | http://pastebin.com/d65abbbe7 | 16:13 |
| nkinkade | nathany__: ^^ Does something like the above work? | 16:13 |
| nathany__ | nkinkade, looking, one second | 16:13 |
| nathany__ | ugh, pastebin is slooooooow | 16:14 |
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| nkinkade | nathany_: Any luck? | 16:22 |
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| nathany | nkinkade, yeah, that worked... no idea how we had wep working before | 16:27 |
| nathany | we'll see if this works OK | 16:27 |
| nkinkade | nathany: If people get randomly dropped from the wifi a few times a day, then you may want to fall back to WEP. | 16:28 |
| nathany | nkinkade, right | 16:28 |
| nathany | of course that will require figuring out how to configure it with the passphrase :) | 16:29 |
| nathany | so fingers crossed :) | 16:29 |
| nkinkade | nathany: I can't SSH to the backup machine. | 16:30 |
| nkinkade | What is local IP of the router? | 16:31 |
| nathany | nkinkade, ok, one second | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | 10.0.2.1? | 16:31 |
| nathany | nkinkade, yes | 16:31 |
| nkinkade | I can't remember whether I was using a Class A or C subnet mask. | 16:31 |
| nathany | class C | 16:31 |
| nathany | let me look @ it... one second | 16:32 |
| nathany | nkinkade, oh, does the default firmware not allow SSH from the wifi? | 16:32 |
| nkinkade | nathany: Not sure about that. I thought it did. | 16:33 |
| nathany | weird | 16:33 |
| nathany | hrm | 16:33 |
| nathany | ok | 16:33 |
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| nathany_ | nkinkade, try it now? | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | nathany_: Bingo. | 16:37 |
| nkinkade | Thanks. | 16:37 |
| nathany_ | great | 16:37 |
| nathany_ | it does seem that i couldn't ssh in from the wifi | 16:37 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 16:42 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 16:42 |
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| nkinkade | nathany: I just re-enabled wshaper on the office router ... I just mention it in case you notice some degradation of service or something. It *should* help things thought. | 19:03 |
| nathany | nkinkade, ok, thanks | 19:04 |
| nkinkade | Wow, look at this Armenian text: | 19:38 |
| nkinkade | http://staging.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/am/legalcode | 19:38 |
| nkinkade | To my Western eye it vaguely looks likes it's 50% Ns and Us. | 19:39 |
| nkinkade | And Ws. | 19:39 |
| mecredis | and squigglies | 19:39 |
| paroneayea | was thinking the same thing | 19:39 |
| paroneayea | unununnnuq | 19:39 |
| paroneayea | pretty though | 19:40 |
| nkinkade | It's really interesting. | 19:40 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, quite pretty. | 19:40 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 19:43 |
| JavaWoman | nkinkade: that's pretty indeed! had seen Armenian text before, but only snippets, not a whole document | 19:47 |
| JavaWoman | that was in Iran btw, where Armenian kids learn Armenian, Farsi and English at school: three languages *and* three scripts - mind boggling | 19:48 |
| nkinkade | That's impressive. | 19:49 |
| greg-g | mecredis: do we need to bring that questioncopyright cc-pro thing to the attention of diane? | 19:59 |
| mecredis | cameron did | 19:59 |
| greg-g | mecredis: cool | 19:59 |
| mecredis | will fwd | 19:59 |
| greg-g | just saw it on our statusnet | 19:59 |
| mecredis | yep | 20:00 |
| nathany | maybe they'd like a wiki or music sharing license while they're at it | 20:18 |
| nathany | morons | 20:19 |
| mecredis | yeah, they seem to be confused on whether they want a new license or just to rename BY-SA | 20:22 |
| mecredis | neither are desirable, IMHO | 20:22 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ping | 20:24 |
| nathany | yeah, i take that back, morons is too strong; we've just had bad experiences with "Branding" exercises. Seems to lead to confusion, questions about compatibility, etc | 20:25 |
| nathany | paroneayea, pong | 20:25 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: so I'm hitting something weird | 20:28 |
| nathany | ok | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | where if I register something to the zope component registry, I'm able to access it when I just pull it up in the interpreter | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | oh hm | 20:28 |
| paroneayea | I wonder if repoze.bfg is overriding something or whatever | 20:29 |
| paroneayea | well anyway, I wrote a test that passes via ./bin/nosetests, but when that same function is called within the paste servlet | 20:29 |
| paroneayea | it errors out because it can't pull something out of the zope component registry | 20:29 |
| paroneayea | maybe repoze.bfg does something to affect the registry though? | 20:29 |
| nathany | i seem to recall that it does use a "local" registry as opposed to one, big global registry | 20:30 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:30 |
| nathany | where are you doing the registration? | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | do you have a minute to test the code? | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | pull the latest git code | 20:31 |
| nathany | ok | 20:31 |
| nathany | done | 20:31 |
| paroneayea | then try both of these things: | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | ./bin/nosetests | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | should pass | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | then: | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | ./bin/paster serve cc.engine.ini --reload | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | visit: | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | http://127.0.0.1:6543/licenses/by/3.0/ | 20:32 |
| nathany | ok, sone second, re-buildout-ing | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | so it's being registered in cc/engine/cc_org_i18n.py | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | oh ok :) | 20:33 |
| nathany | nkinkade, does wshaper do limiting on protocols or per client (or both, i guess)? | 20:38 |
| nathany | i keep getting these 10-15 second pauses when i'm pulling things from git, etc... seems like all my traffic is suspended momentarily, then it goes again | 20:39 |
| nathany | paroneayea, i get an error, but it appears to be a librdf error | 20:41 |
| nathany | TypeError: in method 'librdf_new_query', argument 4 of type 'char const *' | 20:41 |
| nathany | ---------------------------------------- | 20:41 |
| nathany | Exception AttributeError: "'Query' object has no attribute '_query'" in <bound method Query.__del__ of <RDF.Query object at 0xb96a2ec>> ignored | 20:41 |
| paroneayea | weird, I thought I pushed the fix for that | 20:41 |
| nathany | ah | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | nathany: wshaper can be configured to give lower priority to certain TCP ports, but I haven't done that. | 20:41 |
| paroneayea | hold on | 20:41 |
| nathany | paroneayea, ok | 20:41 |
| nkinkade | Other than that it should try to do some type of fair sharing between connections. | 20:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade, it doesn't seem to be port limited, it's like *all* traffic -- IRC, ssh, git, http -- "go away" momentarily | 20:42 |
| nathany | it might also be a kernel module thing, I upgraded to 9.10 last night | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | nathany: If you want to experiment to see if wshaper is the problem, just login to the router and type: | 20:42 |
| nkinkade | # /etc/init.d/wshaper stop | 20:42 |
| nathany | nkinkade, ok, i'll see if it keeps doing it | 20:43 |
| paroneayea | nathany: try now | 20:44 |
| nathany | paroneayea, same thing | 20:45 |
| nathany | looks like it's happening in the cc.license egg? | 20:45 |
| nathany | one second, i'll pastebin the whole traceback | 20:45 |
| nathany | paroneayea, http://dpaste.com/109436/ | 20:45 |
| nathany | paroneayea, but to address your initial query | 20:46 |
| nathany | it might be worth asking on #repoze whether you can expect the "normal" component.registerUtility to work in repoze apps | 20:47 |
| nathany | you might need to either: | 20:47 |
| nathany | a) get a handle to the local registry and register the utility there | 20:47 |
| nathany | or (equivalently) | 20:47 |
| nathany | b) register the utility in the ZCML | 20:47 |
| paroneayea | ah, ok | 20:48 |
| paroneayea | oh, and I see what that error is | 20:49 |
| paroneayea | rm -rf eggs/cc.license-0.04-py2.6.egg && ./bin/buildout -N | 20:50 |
| paroneayea | heh... I may have re-pushed an egg of the same version number :x | 20:50 |
| paroneayea | maybe I should upgrade the version number ;p | 20:51 |
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| paroneayea | anyway not really necessary, looking into the componentness | 20:56 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons and an all round good egg | 21:07 |
| akozak | nathany: someone asked us this on twitter "re: DiscoverEd - are xml or json search results available via your nutch installation?" | 21:10 |
| akozak | I'm thinking no? | 21:10 |
| akozak | but I'm not exactly sure what they're asking | 21:10 |
| nathany | akozak, neither of those, but "opensearch" is linked from every search result page | 21:10 |
| nathany | so people can "subscribe" to results if they want | 21:10 |
| akozak | nathany: ah ok | 21:11 |
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| akozak | nathany: actually that appears to be broken http://discovered.creativecommons.org/search/search.jsp?lang=en&query=physics | 21:13 |
| akozak | err | 21:13 |
| akozak | http://discovered.creativecommons.org/search/opensearch?query=physics&hitsPerSite=2&lang=en&hitsPerPage=10 | 21:13 |
| nathany | ok | 21:14 |
| nathany | open a bug | 21:14 |
| akozak | will do | 21:14 |
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| akozak | nathany: is it conceivable that we will be adding xml or json as a part of the upcoming discovered work? (follow up question from twitter again) | 21:24 |
| nathany | uh, i suppose | 21:25 |
| nathany | of course we welcome code contributions | 21:25 |
| akozak | :) | 21:25 |
| nathany | akozak: i haven't seen final details on the MSU grant to know what we will or won't be doing yet | 21:25 |
| akozak | ah ok | 21:25 |
| nathany | akozak, but it's certainly possible/"easy" to do that sort of thing | 21:26 |
| akozak | cool | 21:29 |
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| paroneayea | nathany: so, this is something built into zope, local vs global registries? | 21:33 |
| paroneayea | (looks like it, considering there is globalregistry.py) | 21:34 |
| nathany | paroneayea, yeah, i think so; iirc at one point there was only one, and later they added the ability to have "local" registries | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | aha | 21:34 |
| paroneayea | ok | 21:34 |
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| mecredis | JED3: ping | 22:10 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons and an all round good egg | 22:14 |
| paroneayea | honestly, without pdb, not sure I would have ever figured out what was going on here | 22:18 |
| paroneayea | zope.component.hookable.hookable | 22:18 |
| paroneayea | @hookable == @monkeypatch | 22:18 |
| cchelpbot | paroneayea: Error: "hookable" is not a valid command. | 22:18 |
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| jibot | JoiIto is blogging at http://joi.ito.com/ and the CEO of Creative Commons and an all round good egg | 22:37 |
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| mecredis | nathany: was just thinking about our RDFa plugin | 22:50 |
| mecredis | I take it that it never materliazed? | 22:50 |
| nathany | mecredis, huh? for WP? | 22:50 |
| mecredis | yeah | 22:50 |
| nathany | yeah, sort of, although i haven't played with it tons | 22:50 |
| nathany | it's in gtit | 22:50 |
| nathany | git | 22:50 |
| mecredis | oh | 22:50 |
| mecredis | http://wiki.creativecommons.org/RDFa_Plugin_for_WordPress says its not complete | 22:50 |
| mecredis | but I guess those aren't mutually exclusive | 22:50 |
| mecredis | :) | 22:50 |
| nathany | that page just hasn't been touched lately | 22:51 |
| mecredis | got it | 22:51 |
| mecredis | there was one "failed" GSoC project I saw on your list recently, that wasn't it then? | 22:51 |
| nathany | mecredis, nope, that was the OOo update | 22:58 |
| mecredis | ah | 22:58 |
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| boboc | guys i have a questions please,who can help me? http://codepad.org/6HbvtKsc | 23:02 |
| nathany | boboc, i think you have the wrong channel | 23:04 |
| nathany | this is the creative commons channel, not c programming :) | 23:04 |
| paroneayea | although! That's the more respectable of mistakes to be having :) | 23:05 |
| nathany | lol... absolutely | 23:06 |
| boboc | nathany: why wrong channel? | 23:06 |
| mecredis | yeah, most of the time its credit card frauds | 23:06 |
| boboc | is not a c channel? | 23:06 |
| nathany | boboc, nope | 23:06 |
| mecredis | nope. | 23:06 |
| mecredis | boboc: http://www.creativecommons.org | 23:06 |
| boboc | sorry | 23:07 |
| boboc | :) | 23:07 |
| boboc | do you know what is the c programming channel? | 23:07 |
| paroneayea | #c | 23:08 |
| paroneayea | only one letter off ;) | 23:08 |
| paroneayea | I guess it forwards to ##c, but same deal | 23:09 |
| boboc | tnx,sorry again | 23:09 |
| boboc | :) | 23:09 |
| akozak | heh, #c# forwards to ##csharp | 23:09 |
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| akozak | what's with the double hash? | 23:09 |
| akozak | is that a thing? | 23:10 |
| mralex | "official" channel | 23:10 |
| mralex | or something like that.. vetted by freenode | 23:10 |
| nathany | official v. unofficial... iirc ## is unofficial, right? | 23:10 |
| akozak | hm interesting | 23:10 |
| * mecredis wonders who is ##cc | 23:10 | |
| akozak | someone with parkinsons | 23:10 |
| mralex | the official credit card hacker channel | 23:10 |
| mecredis | hahah or thinks cc-pro is a good idea | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | mralex: unofficial! | 23:10 |
| paroneayea | maybe the next someone asks for a cc check we should redirect them to ##cc | 23:11 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 23:36 |
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