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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 02:33 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 04:46 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 05:17 |
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| decibelle | Hello, I have been over the FAQ, had a brief look at the public wiki and the discussion forum and I couldn't see any information about contributing artwork to the CC logo ... | 15:04 |
| decibelle | I have made a circle with a line through a euro | 15:04 |
| decibelle | I think the existing one doesn't really match the rest of the icons | 15:04 |
| decibelle | I've tested the new one I've made and I think it looks better even really small | 15:05 |
| paulproteus | decibelle, You shouls peak with mralex when he comes online. | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | Or you can email webmaster at creativecommons.org. | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | should speak! Not "shouls peak". | 15:06 |
| decibelle | thank you paulproteus that's very helpful :) | 15:06 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 15:06 |
| decibelle | Oh, one more thing paulproteus, if I email the webmaster, would it be appropriate if I included the svg files in the initial email? | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | Sure, or (preferably) provide a link to them. | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | I think the CC consensus is that HTTP is better than email attachments. | 15:09 |
| paulproteus | But if you'd rather attach, then okay. | 15:09 |
| decibelle | Oh, I see, ok, I'll upload them somewhere and include a link | 15:10 |
| decibelle | thank you very much :) | 15:11 |
| paulproteus | Sure thing! | 15:11 |
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| decibelle | Ok, email sent, thank you again... | 15:49 |
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| jibot | jgay is http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Gay | 16:14 |
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| JED3 | nathany: is anyone looking at the stats tracebacks? | 16:30 |
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| nathany | JED3: I looked enough to know it was going to take some time to tease it apart; there are about five levels of indirection in there | 16:32 |
| nathany | I was going to look at it but if you want to take a look today that'd be awesome | 16:32 |
| JED3 | sure, i'll look over it | 16:33 |
| nathany | JED3: thanks | 16:33 |
| nathany | it's probably easiest to just log into that host and "sudo su paulproteus -" | 16:33 |
| nathany | to inspect what's running now | 16:33 |
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| jibot | akozak is Alex Kozak, Program Assistant at ccLearn and SFC@Berkeley co-founder and a norse god | 16:45 |
| paroneayea | I wish there was a better tool for inspecting your dependency graph of installed apps and to-be-installed apps | 16:47 |
| paroneayea | or is there? | 16:47 |
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| jibot | Bovinity is brilliant and aware of Basement Cat, and iz not afraid. | 16:50 |
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| JED3 | am I the only one in the office with a creeping connection? | 16:57 |
| nkinkade | mralex: So how are we going to handle the "source" variable? | 17:04 |
| nkinkade | How will the widget work? | 17:04 |
| mralex | nkinkade: we could do similarly to pcpid... have the widget send a var to the donate page, it gets added to the donate urls, and handled automatically | 17:05 |
| mralex | nkinkade: you already set it to a default value right? | 17:05 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: Right. There will be a default value, but if the script is passed a value for &source= it will use that instead. | 17:07 |
| mralex | nkinkade: ok | 17:07 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I was thinking the widget could use something similar to pcpid. | 17:07 |
| mralex | so it'll just be something like support.cc.org/donate?source=CC%20Donation%20Widget | 17:07 |
| nkinkade | It's already handled in my script so is that something that you will/can implement for /donate when the time comes? | 17:07 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I chatted with Melissa and she likes the idea of getting specific with "source" where possible. | 17:08 |
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| mralex | nkinkade: yeah. the script doesn't touch any query values in the donation links if it doesn't understand them, so it'll be left alone and sent to paypal as expected. | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | She wants "Creative Commons Donation" for now. | 17:08 |
| nkinkade | Then when the campaign launches "2009 Annual Fundraising Campaign" | 17:09 |
| mralex | ok | 17:11 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 17:21 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Are we missing anything for launch of one-click? | 17:45 |
| mralex | nkinkade: all good. just let me know when to update /donate and it'll be public. | 17:46 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I've got all the necessary code on the live site, so I *think* it's just a matter of changing /donate to work with it. | 17:47 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I'm going to run out and grab a sandwich to bring back here. Do you want to do the cutover in about 30 minutes? | 17:51 |
| mralex | nkinkade: sounds perfect, i have my attention elsewhere right now. | 17:51 |
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| mecredis | JED3: around now if you're game | 17:59 |
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| JED3 | mecredis: hey, last night i was going to ask a question re webcitations | 18:23 |
| mecredis | right on | 18:23 |
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| mecredis | ask away | 18:23 |
| JED3 | well i guess first off, have we settled on a name for this? | 18:23 |
| mecredis | no. | 18:24 |
| JED3 | nathany touched on this subject in a previous message | 18:24 |
| JED3 | okay | 18:24 |
| mecredis | Web Citation seems a little close to the other project | 18:24 |
| JED3 | yes | 18:24 |
| mecredis | we're already going to be stepping on their toes | 18:24 |
| mecredis | featurewise | 18:24 |
| mecredis | we might want to avoid namespace collision too | 18:24 |
| mecredis | so I'll think on that | 18:24 |
| JED3 | CCite | 18:24 |
| JED3 | :P | 18:24 |
| mecredis | I actually don't mind that | 18:25 |
| mecredis | it could stand for CommonerCite | 18:25 |
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| WildHeavenTwig | may I jump in with an unrelated question? | 18:25 |
| JED3 | sure | 18:26 |
| WildHeavenTwig | What would be the most effective way for me to suggest and advocate for the creation of a new license? | 18:26 |
| JED3 | mecredis: can we chat later today, perhaps by phone? | 18:26 |
| mecredis | WildHeavenTwig: Unfortunately it's very unlkely that we'll ever release a new license that competes with our current crop of 6 | 18:26 |
| JED3 | WildHeavenTwig: need it be in private? otherwise please share your ideas | 18:27 |
| mecredis | JED3: I can talk now for about half an hour, but then I have to teach class | 18:27 |
| WildHeavenTwig | oh, I'll gladly share the concept! | 18:27 |
| WildHeavenTwig | imagine a work that you want to have edited by licensed or certified folks, and distributed by the public. | 18:27 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I contemplate a mashup of CC-by-sa and CC-by-nd | 18:28 |
| JED3 | mecredis: skype call okay? | 18:28 |
| mecredis | sure thing | 18:28 |
| mecredis | online now | 18:28 |
| WildHeavenTwig | the license text attached to the work would specify the credential and the certifying body | 18:28 |
| mecredis | WildHeavenTwig: ND would prevent the latter work from being reused? | 18:28 |
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| WildHeavenTwig | imagine a work that's editable by anyone admitted to practice law before the Supreme Court of the United States, with the original and all derivatives distributable (but not necessarily editable) by the general public under the same terms. | 18:30 |
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| WildHeavenTwig | or, similarly, editable by anyone licensed to practice medicine in a certain jurisdiction, and distributable by the public | 18:30 |
| WildHeavenTwig | it's sort of CC+ | 18:31 |
| mecredis | we've generally avoided authorizing classes of users | 18:31 |
| mecredis | in lieu of authorizing classes of uses | 18:31 |
| mecredis | but I have to jump on a call right now | 18:31 |
| mecredis | so | 18:31 |
| mecredis | I'll be back in a bit | 18:31 |
| WildHeavenTwig | right, but sometimes you want to authorize one use for one set of users and another for everyone. | 18:31 |
| mecredis | classes of people are harder define, and do not have precedent in the copyright statute | 18:32 |
| mecredis | as opposed to classes of uses | 18:32 |
| WildHeavenTwig | hmm | 18:32 |
| mecredis | which is how typically licenses are generated | 18:33 |
| mecredis | even piivate ones | 18:33 |
| mecredis | CC+ might work | 18:34 |
| mecredis | it might also just be useful to say BY-NC-ND and say "contact me if you're a lawyer admitted to practice before the SCOTUS ..." | 18:34 |
| WildHeavenTwig | can CC+ easily tie the licenses together? | 18:34 |
| mecredis | CC+ doesn't really work that way | 18:35 |
| WildHeavenTwig | that's what I thought | 18:35 |
| mecredis | it merely signals to end users where an additional license is | 18:35 |
| mecredis | or additional terms | 18:35 |
| WildHeavenTwig | right | 18:35 |
| mecredis | I guess the class of people who are admitted to practice, etc., is so vanishgly small | 18:36 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I want something that indelibly says, eg, "anyone certified by the Sociocratisch Centrum as a Sociocratic Consultant many edit this work, so long as they distribute it under this license, which also allows the general public to distribute the work without changes." | 18:36 |
| mecredis | that crafting a public license for that class of people costs more than merely asking them to get in contact | 18:36 |
| WildHeavenTwig | huh | 18:36 |
| mecredis | CC licenses are public licenses | 18:37 |
| WildHeavenTwig | but it's something that would be useful for many different groups of licensed professionals. | 18:37 |
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| mecredis | right, but each class of licensed professionals would have a slightly different license | 18:37 |
| WildHeavenTwig | nope. | 18:37 |
| mecredis | all of which would be incompatible with each other | 18:37 |
| WildHeavenTwig | all the same license. | 18:38 |
| mecredis | despite being different types of licensed professionals? | 18:38 |
| WildHeavenTwig | the license says something like, "may be edited by folks certified by the body named in the license text accompanying the work" | 18:38 |
| mecredis | right, which is an effectively different license | 18:38 |
| mecredis | from folks of class B | 18:39 |
| WildHeavenTwig | well, indeed – just because I see that a work is licensed under a CCexpert license doesn't mean I can edit it; my expertise may lie in another realm | 18:40 |
| mecredis | hey man | 18:40 |
| mecredis | I wish I could answer your questions more | 18:40 |
| mecredis | but I gotta take a phone call | 18:40 |
| mecredis | hang around the chan | 18:40 |
| WildHeavenTwig | np | 18:40 |
| mecredis | and someone might be able to pick up where we left off. | 18:40 |
| WildHeavenTwig | cool – thanks. | 18:40 |
| greg-g | WildHeavenTwig: just fyi: CC has made deliberate moves _away_ from defining different classes of people and how they are able to use works. For a good example, see the deprecation of the Developing Nations licenses: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7520 | 18:43 |
| greg-g | WildHeavenTwig: that isn't to say CC would never do that again ("never" is a strong word) but I doubt I'll ever see it. | 18:43 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I see this one differently – | 18:46 |
| WildHeavenTwig | The Developing Nations license defined the class of people in the license deed. | 18:46 |
| greg-g | Well right, and leaving up that definition to non-lawyers will be confusing as all heck | 18:47 |
| WildHeavenTwig | hrm | 18:47 |
| WildHeavenTwig | funny, I thought the legal chatter was the confusing bit. :) | 18:48 |
| greg-g | not when you are tryin got enforce your license, then the legal chatter helps you in court | 18:48 |
| greg-g | trying to* | 18:48 |
| WildHeavenTwig | indeed. thus the smiley. :-) | 18:48 |
| greg-g | :) | 18:48 |
| WildHeavenTwig | but I think that's a concern for the user of the license | 18:49 |
| greg-g | I agree it is an interesting concept, but I fear that all of the details will make it impossible to pull off well. | 18:49 |
| WildHeavenTwig | If I point to a poorly-managed body as my credentialing authority, that's my own darn fault. | 18:50 |
| greg-g | WildHeavenTwig: right, and in doing so damages the reputation of the entire CC license set (it could be argued) | 18:50 |
| WildHeavenTwig | hmmm | 18:50 |
| greg-g | I'm just hear to play devils advocate, btw :) | 18:50 |
| greg-g | s/hear/here/ | 18:51 |
| * greg-g also has a head cold | 18:51 | |
| WildHeavenTwig | s/il/a/ | 18:51 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I appreciate the challenge to the concept – it's worthwhile to test the ideas. | 18:53 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I think the "reputation" argument is the strongest one yet, but I'm not sure it holds up. | 18:54 |
| greg-g | I honestly (and personally) think it does pretty well. That is why you see such widespread CC adoption, because big names like flickr have invested their own brand into the CC brand. And anything that makes that brand look bad is bad for everyone else using that brand. | 18:56 |
| WildHeavenTwig | TOR protects journalists, right? | 18:56 |
| greg-g | (I overloaded the word brand in there to mean both CC and flickr and 'other people's brands', sorry) | 18:56 |
| WildHeavenTwig | and we love TOR, right? | 18:57 |
| greg-g | TOR the encrypted network system? | 18:57 |
| WildHeavenTwig | yes | 18:57 |
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| jibot | mlinksva is from Creative Commons and Mike Linksvayer | 18:57 |
| greg-g | sure, in theory | 18:57 |
| WildHeavenTwig | not only does it protect journalists (think China, Iran, etc), it also protects criminals | 18:57 |
| mlinksva | what in the world is up with http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developers ? | 18:58 |
| greg-g | I think that is a bad analogy | 18:58 |
| WildHeavenTwig | so we don't base our evaluation of a brand on who uses it | 18:58 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: ugh, I'll fix | 18:58 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: wait, I have no clue | 18:58 |
| mlinksva | cool, will be interested to see what the fix is | 18:58 |
| mlinksva | yeah | 18:58 |
| greg-g | this history does not help | 18:58 |
| mlinksva | doesn't make any sense | 18:58 |
| greg-g | nathany nkinkade see http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Developers | 18:59 |
| WildHeavenTwig | if the local ping-pong association decides they want to publish a thing that's editable only by champion players, as certified by them, they can do so. If a case gets a high-enough profile that folks notice, it will be because of the crazy back-and-forth at the ping-pong association – and that's the story that the media will focus on. | 19:00 |
| nathany | greg-g: nkinkade: fixed | 19:01 |
| greg-g | nathany: what was the issue? | 19:01 |
| nathany | mlinksva: fixed | 19:01 |
| nathany | spammer got to Template:PageColumn | 19:01 |
| nathany | rolled back, blocked, protecting now | 19:01 |
| mlinksva | also got infobox | 19:01 |
| mlinksva | which i just rolled back | 19:01 |
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| greg-g | gotcha, thanks | 19:01 |
| nathany | i'm rolling back his other "contribs" now | 19:02 |
| WildHeavenTwig | (though I suppose there might be a note somewhere that the license used by the ping-pongers was the same as the one used by the AMA, Red Cross, or whomever, for their latest guide to home medicine) | 19:02 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: How about a rollout more around 2PM your time? | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | I've got a walk-through of this condo at 1PM your time .... | 19:10 |
| mralex | cool, that's fine | 19:10 |
| nkinkade | I'll ping you when I get back from that. | 19:11 |
| greg-g | WildHeavenTwig: sorry, got distracted and I now need to get back to work that is paying me today, but, it'd be cool if you brought up your ideas to the cc-community mailing list: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-community | 19:24 |
| WildHeavenTwig | thanks! That may be exactly the sort of suggestion for which I was looking. | 19:25 |
| WildHeavenTwig | I'm diving back into my work too. I'm reachable all over the web as heaventwig. | 19:26 |
| greg-g | WildHeavenTwig: cool, take care | 19:26 |
| WildHeavenTwig | thanks – you too! | 19:27 |
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| greg-g | mralex: why did we specifically point out MIT OCW instead of the wider OER community? (re: your tweet) | 19:28 |
| mralex | greg-g: mlinksva, cameron, or eric would be better to answer that. but, to me, they are a specific use case, which is what the page was after. | 19:29 |
| greg-g | mralex: good point | 19:30 |
| greg-g | then why didn't we put Open.Michigan ;) | 19:30 |
| paroneayea | nathany: ping | 19:36 |
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| mlinksva | greg-g, we can iterate on it if you want to suggest a rewrite of the OCW entry | 20:11 |
| mlinksva | one reason was the OCWC has an ugly logo | 20:11 |
| nathany | paroneayea: pong | 20:11 |
| paroneayea | okay, so I must admit that when it comes to traversal I am still pretty confused | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | url dispatching in repoze.bfg is easy enough, and I have that working just fine | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | but while there's a lot of documentation on how it works here: | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | http://docs.repoze.org/bfg/1.1/narr/traversal.html | 20:14 |
| paroneayea | there is not much documentation on how to do it | 20:14 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i'm not sure we need traversal in repoze.bfg | 20:15 |
| nathany | since we're doing url dispatch | 20:15 |
| nathany | they're generally orthogonal | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | oh | 20:15 |
| nathany | (at least in my understanding, which is admittedly incomplete) | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | well then I guess I spent a bunch of time confused on it then without much need | 20:15 |
| nathany | :) | 20:15 |
| paroneayea | anyway, yeah, using url dispatch is easy enough | 20:16 |
| nathany | cool | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | one thing that sucks is that there doesn't seem to be an "append_slash" equivalent | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | ie /licenses/ != /licenses | 20:16 |
| nathany | ah | 20:16 |
| nathany | annoying | 20:16 |
| nathany | are patterns regexs? | 20:16 |
| nathany | eh, nm, doesn't matter | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | nope | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | patterns are like: | 20:16 |
| paroneayea | licenses/:license_id/:license_version | 20:16 |
| nathany | i suppose we can just register a braindead view that redirects so that we're being explicit | 20:17 |
| nathany | oh, right | 20:17 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: heh, logos are important. I can write a rewrite. Question though: do we have a vested interest in mentioning MIT or not? | 20:22 |
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| mlinksva | greg-g, MIT should probably be mentioned as where it started, but just a mention along the lines of OCW, started at MIT, now at zillions" or something | 20:27 |
| mlinksva | part of the point of the page is it should have names people recognize | 20:27 |
| mlinksva | FAMOUS PPL | 20:27 |
| mlinksva | doesn't relaly have to use a logo if there's some other image that would be more awesome | 20:28 |
| mlinksva | note that i deleted a couple sentences about MIT that you don't see and added "The OpenCourseWare concept has now spread to dozens of universities worldwide." | 20:28 |
| mlinksva | so i agree with your critique :) | 20:28 |
| mlinksva | just needs to be taken to conclusion | 20:29 |
| greg-g | mlinksva: cool, I'll give you a possible rewrite later | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | nathany: another question: what do you think the best route for this is? | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | should I be making a branch of cc.engine | 20:32 |
| paroneayea | or just starting from scratch and pull in files that are useful | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | from scratch == git init | 20:33 |
| paroneayea | I have been assuming and operating on the latter, but I guess now would be a good idea to confirm that :) | 20:33 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i suppose that's the best way to do it... it'd be nice to have full, complete history, but it's not clear that it'd actually be meaningful | 20:36 |
| paroneayea | yeah I agree | 20:37 |
| nathany | paroneayea: so... yeah, carry on | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | maybe the best way is to move the old cc/engine directory over to like | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | cc/engine.old | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | and then git mv over files as we need them | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | that wasy history is preserved properly? | 20:37 |
| paroneayea | without cluttering up development | 20:38 |
| nathany | paroneayea: actually that's not a bad idea... you could do a one shot git-svn import | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | cool | 20:38 |
| paroneayea | I'll do that | 20:38 |
| nathany | and that'd pull things in w/o the externals, move cc/engine cc/engine_legacy or something like that | 20:38 |
| nathany | cool | 20:38 |
| nathany | paroneayea: btw, if you haven't set up a repo for this on code yet, please do; you'll need to clone gitosis-admin | 20:39 |
| nathany | see http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way and http://eagain.net/gitweb/?p=gitosis.git;a=blob;f=README.rst;hb=master for docs | 20:39 |
| nathany | paroneayea: i think you have perms to do that and push back to production (which will create the repo)_ | 20:39 |
| nathany | if not, let me know | 20:39 |
| paroneayea | gitosis is what you're using for git hosting? | 20:39 |
| nathany | paroneayea: yes... it's what does the user multi-plexing for us | 20:40 |
| paroneayea | cool | 20:40 |
| paroneayea | seems like a neat system | 20:40 |
| nathany | yeah | 20:40 |
| paroneayea | so after I get this set up | 20:52 |
| paroneayea | next step is to work on /licenses/ right? | 20:53 |
| paulproteus | paroneayea, If you want to go totally bonkers, you can git-filter-branch to move that directory over in the history, too.... | 20:58 |
| * paulproteus is a Bad Idea factory | 20:58 | |
| paroneayea | :) | 20:59 |
| paroneayea | I haven't gotten too many useful commits into the new cc.engine git project, | 21:00 |
| paroneayea | might as well just start from git-svn clone | 21:00 |
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| jibot | pyrak is Parker Phinney and madebyparker.com and a sophomore at Dartmouth and a former CC tech intern | 21:05 |
| nathany | paroneayea: yeah, and i figured we'd be doing a little back-of-the-napkin prototyping here in the first couple days that we'd eventually throw away... so starting with the clone sounds good | 21:21 |
| nathany | paulproteus: shut yo mouth ;) | 21:21 |
| paulproteus | Right, but do the git-svn clone, but before working from th... oops nathany said to stop | 21:21 |
| nathany | lol | 21:22 |
| paroneayea | :) | 21:22 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Ready to attempt a launch of the one-click stuff? | 21:27 |
| mralex | nkinkade: howdy, yep. all fires are out, i'm all set. | 21:30 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I think all my pieces are in place. | 21:31 |
| nkinkade | If you put your stuff in place, then I make the first test donation. | 21:31 |
| nkinkade | The form isn't so so busy that a minute or two of instability is a problem. | 21:31 |
| mralex | nkinkade: script is still located at: /sites/default/modules/civicrm/bin/OneClickDonate.php | 21:34 |
| mralex | ? | 21:34 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yup. | 21:34 |
| mralex | nkinkade: well this is weird. is the popup appaering for you? (support.cc/donate) | 21:40 |
| nkinkade | mralex: No. An no error in the Error Console either. | 21:40 |
| mralex | quite | 21:41 |
| mralex | if thejs was broken, the link would still work. | 21:41 |
| nkinkade | if (e.type == "submit") { | 21:43 |
| mralex | it oculd be because i was holding back the choose your own part... | 21:43 |
| mralex | oh. fuck me. i ddint copy the actual bloody popup html. | 21:44 |
| mralex | nevermind. it's working now. | 21:44 |
| nkinkade | I got sent to PayPal, but I didn't get a popup?? | 21:45 |
| mralex | which button did you press? | 21:45 |
| nkinkade | $75 and $150 | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | mralex: ^^ | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | Maybe my cache is stale. | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | Let me clear and try again. | 21:46 |
| mralex | probably. they both work for me. | 21:46 |
| nkinkade | mralex: I just got "jQuery is not defined" in the file oneclick.js | 21:49 |
| mralex | hmm, let me try this on a virgin browser. | 21:49 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Must be Firefox 3.5 because it works fine in Epiphany. | 21:51 |
| mralex | nkinkade: a freshly booted copy of google chrome had no issues | 21:51 |
| nkinkade | Yeah, I restarted Firefox 3.5.2 and it seems to work now. | 21:52 |
| nkinkade | I'm going to try a real donation. | 21:52 |
| mralex | FF 3.0.5 on windows worked fine | 21:52 |
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| nkinkade | mralex: One last thing that we need to coordinate is the thing about what arrives to my script URL encoded. | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | I guess I should just urldecode everyone by default just to be sure. | 22:04 |
| nkinkade | Also this changed with the move to the live server ... the group names are now "CC Newsletter" and "CC Events" | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | I imagine the JS still passes Newsletter and Events, right? | 22:05 |
| mralex | right | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | That's easy for you change right away, no? | 22:05 |
| mralex | can do | 22:05 |
| nkinkade | mralex: But about thr urlencode thing ^^ | 22:05 |
| mralex | i concur you should urldecode by default | 22:06 |
| nkinkade | Do I just urldecode everything by default? | 22:06 |
| paroneayea | nathany: see conversation in #repoze | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | :( | 22:11 |
| paroneayea | sounds like there's no clean way of doing http://creativecommons.org/licenses == http://creativecommons.org/licenses/ | 22:12 |
| nathany | paroneayea: there's no way to make a view that *just* matches licenses and redirects to licenses/ ? | 22:12 |
| nathany | (you wouldn't want them to be the same, as a resource should have one and only one canonical URI) | 22:12 |
| paroneayea | nathany: yeah, there's a way to do that | 22:12 |
| paroneayea | right | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | well | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | I kind of like the way that django does that automatically | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | if you put APPEND_SLASH = True in your settings | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | it automatically does that so that if /licenses doesn't resolve to a url, it'll see if /licenses/ does | 22:13 |
| paroneayea | and if so, redirect to /licenses/ | 22:13 |
| nathany | i see, i didn't realize that | 22:13 |
| nathany | so what's the problem with repoze? just that there's no way to automate trying that? | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | mralex: It looks like the only two possible variables that might need to be decoded are "source" and "groups" ... does that seem right to you? | 22:14 |
| paroneayea | yeah, looks like it | 22:14 |
| mralex | nkinkade: correct | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | The rest are just numbers. | 22:14 |
| paroneayea | I mean, I can set up a ton of directives to do automatic redirection for every case in this | 22:14 |
| paroneayea | but that seems silly | 22:14 |
| nkinkade | mralex: And just to be sure, the JS will send the divided amount when it's a recur donation, right? | 22:15 |
| mralex | nkinkade: yes | 22:15 |
| nathany | paroneayea: one man's silly is another man's "explicit is better than implicit" ;) | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | currently the http://creativecommons.org/licenses does redirect to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/, so obviously we want to keep that functionality | 22:15 |
| nathany | but i don't think this is worth getting caught up on at the moment | 22:15 |
| paroneayea | yeah, I won't get caught up on it | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | I liked that feature though. | 22:16 |
| nathany | we can write a test that fails to remind us we need to fix this and either a) add registrations (it's several, but not a limitless #) or b) write a little piece of WSGI middleware to do this for us | 22:16 |
| nathany | right | 22:16 |
| paroneayea | yeah, wsgi middleware might be the correct route | 22:16 |
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| nathany | paroneayea: btw, when you configure the repository on git, please set email = true in the config (see other repository declarations for an example) so commit messages get sent to cc-commits | 22:17 |
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| nathany | man, ahab is one fucking ugly skin... like we set out to wring any usability out of the wiki | 22:18 |
| nathany | out of *that* wiki, I mean | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Have you already changed the group names? | 22:18 |
| nkinkade | I just want to make sure they are changed before I do a live test. | 22:19 |
| mralex | nkinkade: just changed them on the live site. | 22:19 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Sorry, the Newsletter group is "CC Newsletter" ... no ending S. | 22:21 |
| mralex | nkinkade: CC Events still has an S though? | 22:21 |
| nkinkade | mralex: Yeah. | 22:21 |
| mralex | done | 22:22 |
| paroneayea | nathany: will do | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | also, yay for free software development | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | conversation in #repoze led to: | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | <mcdonc> paroneayea: np... we'll put something in there for this | 22:59 |
| nathany | cool | 22:59 |
| nathany | mcdonc is awesome | 22:59 |
| paroneayea | seems like a nice fellow | 22:59 |
| nathany | smart guy | 22:59 |
| nathany | (and gave me commit privileges to repoze.bfg :) ) | 23:00 |
| paroneayea | :) | 23:02 |
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| greg-g | whoa, fedora allows people to upload CC:BY-ND content as part of their distro: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing (search for BY-ND) | 23:20 |
| paroneayea | debian no longer packages the gnu manifestio with emacs because they consider it to be nonfree ;p | 23:21 |
| greg-g | well, if it has invariant sections, it sure is :) | 23:22 |
| greg-g | (nonfree) | 23:22 |
| greg-g | in my purist view, of course | 23:22 |
| greg-g | I just had a long discussion today (part of work) with a lawyer about 'purity' of Open Educational Resources. | 23:22 |
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| paulproteus | paroneayea, http://jmtd.net/log/archfs_build_dependencies/ re: visualize dependencies | 23:52 |
| paroneayea | paulproteus: that's awesome | 23:53 |
| paroneayea | thx :) | 23:53 |
| paulproteus | (-: | 23:53 |
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